4:04 pm July 9, 2009, by David O'Brien
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
July 9th, 20095:35 pm
As far as Francoeur starting….
Braves were 0-3 with him “benched” and have won their last 2 with him in the line-up.
Whether he has contributed or not, they have been winning with him playing.
Chipper still felt it when he tried to “juice” balls in early BP. Said it was fine as long as he tried to hit singles.
Not playing tonight, not certain about series.
Keeping It Real
Chipper is not helping the Braves while setting on the bench. Its time to send him to the American League to DH. Who needs a player of his type in the AL? Maybe the deal is already set and Chipper is getting some rest from now through the All Star break.
July 9th, 20095:36 pm
OK, headed back down. Only came back up because I forgot my damn notepad.
Frenchy is starting tonight? I think I’m starting to hear “Fran-Coeur” in my bowels again.
July 9th, 20095:37 pm
DOB, the 5:36 post looked like a Tweet.
Eric from MO
Rammmerjammer so I guess Francouer doesnt have any shortcomings? Is that what your saying? Even if Diaz BA drops to .280 and OBP drops to .360(which I doubt it will) he is still 3 times better than Francouer.
Someone in the Braves organization cannot come to terms with the fact that Jeff is a bust, pride no good.
Does anybody live in Francoeur’s neighborhood? I have an interesting proposition to offer you….
July 9th, 20095:38 pm
YO Paul Dentz — How can you do this much blogging if you are involved in the poker tournament ??
Seriously though, you’re right. I didn’t look at his splits before making that statement. And another thing that jumps out at me(I could be wrong on this), but I think he is only controllable through 2013 because they brought him up so early. I believe he is eligible for arb. after next season. Given that we probably won’t see Heyward until June of 2010, Heyward would be controlled through 2016. All that said, I sure hope Heyward shows the promise of Upton. I’d be thrilled.
All I’d like to say is after about a month into the season i was having dinner with a friend of mine who is a huge Dodger fan. “Lowe is looking awesome” I believe were my exact words, and his reply was “Talk to me at the end of the summer, you’ll hate him”
A Dizzy Nick Esasky
dogsbrekky (Colorado Lamb is nice, but 3rd best)
July 9th, 20095:39 pm
The Math Genius – Maybe we should try a statistcally significant sample
We bench Frenchy for a year (say 550 AB) and then see what our record is
We could then use the 2008-09 AB (around 700) and compare said win-loss records
Buffalo Braves – want to bet which period has the higher winning % by the Braves
Chipper has been out of the lineup when the Braves have won as well. Obviously need to bench Chipper and play Frenchy!
Keep Vasquez and release Francuer. I hate rain delays on braves TV. it makes me sick watching Francueor Bio-commentary. WHat a Friggin JOKE. PLay DIAZ, he has earned the position
July 9th, 20095:40 pm
The last few games Chip was in the line-up he looked like a prime candidate for a power chair from the Scooter Store! He looked extremely hobbled.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan……………a coincidence does not make something a fact. Jeff Francoeur was 1 for 8 with a “gift” single in those 2 wins. The shortstop made a throwing error on that play, yet the official scorer gave Francoeur a hit. The Braves won those games because of good pitching.
The Braves need offense at Coors field this weekend. Francouer is an easy out.
Steve from OH
July 9th, 20095:41 pm
Gee, that depends–will the Braves be playing with the exact same roster putting up the exact same stats with the exact same pitching matchups that they’ve had this season?
All I’m saying is, the team has been winning with him in the lineup lately.
With Diaz out there, they lost 3 in a row, and I’d be interested to see how they have done in all of frenchy’s “days off” this season.
You are right, small sample size…. but wins are wins, whether he’s producing or not.
Ever think Prado, Infante, Blanco, and Diaz look out at Johnson, Schafer, Francoeur and say, “Them gringos got it made. They can stink all day, everyday, and still play. We hope that with each successive Americanized generation of our family, we can take achieve the American Dream of holding down a job no matter how much we stink.” To which Diaz responds, “Yeah, my family Anglicized the pronounciation of our name as much as we could, and I still can’t take that useless gringo’s job.”
Nova Scotia Steve
Not much pop in that line-up tonight…
who knows…maybe Jeff can knock one out tonight….
I hear the air’s thin up there….real thin.
July 9th, 20095:42 pm
Failcouer out there AGAIN?!
I hope this means he gets just four more games before being released over the break.
Capt Caveman……..Uh, I said earlier that I was knocked out before the dinner break yesterday. Even if I survived yesterday, today is an off day. The tournament resumes tomorrow at noon.
Steve OH – oh you missed the point mate
DOB,you don’t need a notepad with that steel trap mind.
July 9th, 20095:44 pm
Eric from MO,
Go back and carefully read what I wrote. Not gonna waste my time repeating it.
I know it’s already been mentioned a couple of time, but there is such a joy that comes from opening up a Baseball America email and this being the first thing it says:
“Jason Heyward is hitting .300/.380/.531 in two stops this year”
Willy Wally, I don’t think Matt DIE-ahz even “peeki pani”.
July 9th, 20095:45 pm
Diaz was born in Portland, OR and played college ball at Florida State.
Just lookin at the wild card standings….if we lose 3/4 here…we’re screwed…like really screwed….split is not going to do much for us…we’ll prolly lose a game or two in the division….
We really really need to WIN this series…
July 9th, 20095:46 pm
Chipper was drinking scotch just fine monday night in Chicago and now he cant play?
I got $100 that Chipper can once again be found tonight in the hotel bar drinking scotch and soda. $100.
DOB, please confirm tomorrow.
dogsb–and I think you’re missing mine, though I agree with your assertion that the Braves’ record with or without Francoeur is terrible evidence for playing/benching a player.
Bobby Nutjob Cox
Lets see. Frenchy isn’t going to do one damn thing in or out of the lineup over the course of the REST OF THE SEASON that is going to change his value! Geez, is anyone so dumb they would believe that he is? That he could?
MLB teams know who Frenchy is, what his limitations are, what his strengths are, PERIOD! Nothing he is going to do in the next few weeks is going to change his value. A team thinks he is worth a bag of balls and some bats or they don’t. MLB teams aren’t dummies, they aren’t going to change their opinion of Frenchy even if he were to get hot for a couple of weeks, so to think that the Braves are showcasing him is pretty far fetched. If the Braves think they can play him and change his value, then they may be the exception to the rule I mentioned above. (MLB teams aren’t dummies) The Braves surely WILL NOT offer him arbitration this winter and risk paying him way more than he is worth.
So why play him? He clearly isn’t contributing like Diaz can to a lineup that is starving for offense. He isn’t capable of doing anything to showcase his talent or lack of talent to other teams!
So Why Is NUTJOB Bobby Cox playing him over a better hitting Diaz??? It looks like Bobby is bowing to Jeff’s pouting ways. Bobby looks not only NUTTY but weak for playing him!
The answer to this ought to be good! I want to hear the explanation from the HOF manager and if not an explanation from him, perhaps some of his enablers, I mean supporters will chime in?
Ms Marsh, great post at 4:15
July 9th, 20095:47 pm
Why, here comes my buddy Dave now! Wonder what he’d like to ask me?
I was gonna go running, but I’m on the edge of my seat as to whether Cox will answer Dave’s Francoeur question…
July 9th, 20095:48 pm
OH Steve: the question is only a doozy if French-pie goes 1-4 with a single or an 0-fer.
July 9th, 20095:49 pm
DOB, Have the Braves put an ad in the AJC for a right handed batter who hits with power and plays RF yet?
July 9th, 20095:51 pm
If DOB does ask that question, I hope he wears a catcher’s mask.
what exactly does chipper’s drink of choice have anything to do with him playing baseball?
July 9th, 20095:52 pm
Drinking Scotch and playing baseball are completely different. One you can do while sitting down, the other requires some actual athleticism.
Nice try on the rip though….
July 9th, 20095:53 pm
Chipper hitting singles tonight is better than having Jessica FRANCINE in RF making outs!
Chipper needs to fraking MAN UP and play with PAIN if he has to. This is a critical 4 game set. You can rest for 3 FRAKING days after that Chipper. This team needs you in the lineup.
Just damn sometimes, I’m the biggest Chipper Jones fan out here, but sometimes…I wonder about his ability to play with injuries?
I’ll say it again, the Braves aren’t going to be TRUE NL contenders until 2011.
In 2010 we get rid of Kelly, Jeff, Anderson, Norton, Blanco, etc a lot of dead weight.
We add via trade or FA a legit everyday outfielder who is going to be here for a short term.
We bring up Jordan Schafer from AAA (hope he’s ready by opening day 2010 to be an every day player and hit the high and inside fastball!).
In 2011…Heyward and Freeman will be here in RF and 1B respectfully. We say good bye to Kotchman and let him walk or trade him(if that’s an option?)
Our OF in 2011 could be McLouth (LF) Schafer (CF), Heyward (RF).
Our infield will be Esco (SS), (a newly acquired 2B or a utility type player), Freeman (1B) and last year of Chipper Jones (If he’s not broken down completey by then)
B-Mac catching of course.
1. Jair (by then hopefully locked down for good)
2. Hanson (same thing, sign him early like you did B-Mac)
3. Hudson (after next year, if things go OK, he wants to be here, we need him as well, so he’ll be signed to a 3-4 year extension)
4. Lowe (would be in the twilight of his career but servicable for a back of the rotation starter
5. Kawakami (will be in the last year of his 3 year deal with the team)
So I’d say by 2011, Braves look pretty poised to make a SERIOUS run, according to Keith Law who forgot more about baseball than any of the rest of you who scowl (sorry DOB) at that statement.
Drinking Scotch has nothing to do with mobility or lack thereof.
July 9th, 20095:54 pm
If I recall correctly, Lowe had a poor first half and a great second half last season. Maybe he just needs to be a little tired for that sinker to work.
July 9th, 20095:56 pm
Maybe if Chipper treated his body with the same respect as he treats his scotch he wouldnt miss 30% of the games each year. Or do you think a 5 scotch a night drinking habit is something the Braves should condone?
July 9th, 20095:57 pm
The Scowl huh? Thats better than my nickname for him, which is “I’ll kill you”.
Besides, what more am I going to write about Hanson in today’s blog anyway?
Good idea. Keep your filthy curse off Hanson.
the hopes of the braves nation rest in your hands mr. hanson
appreciate the blog. informative as usual….
i cant take it anymore
July 9th, 20095:58 pm
diaz on the pine? perhaps he should lower his batting average and obs so he can
get some more playing time. You got to start diaz at coors.
my wife saw the lineup and puked in her mouth…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJsQcnB6GC0
Depends on what kind of scotch it was.
Laphroig, Ardbeg . . . Mmmnnn.
Not that Chipper’s been hitting much of late, anyhow, but geez, this year-in, year-out ‘tweaks’ and ‘pulls’ crap is maddening. I’ve never seen a guy be down so much in my life, for a guy who hasn’t had a “major” injury since 1995. I’m as big a ‘Chipper’ fan as any, but why we long-termed this guy when we’ve been “prudent” and “business-like” with other long-time Braves is beyond me.
Great. Batting title. We need him in the lineup, though; 120-130 games has become our ‘expectation’ from him, and yet we go into (another) key series heading into the All-Star break and we’re going to do the daily “let’s see how Chipper feels” breath-holding. I’m sort of weary from it.
July 9th, 20095:59 pm
Supes they can contend next year.
Hopefully, here’s the story for tomorrow. For those of you who saw the movie, “The Natural,” you will recall how Roy Hobbs got back into the line-up in his second turn through the majors. It involved the Right Fielder and the Right Field fence. That would be a great story for tomorrow if it happens.
Yeah, I thought it was weird to see Cordero and Braun, but once I thought about it, there just wasn’t really anyone else I could think of for those 2 organizations.
Steve from OH-
Who would you replace? I guess Warren Spahn would be the first choice since Eddie Matthews is on there already…
July 9th, 20096:01 pm
Great post. LMAO.
Anderson STILL playing in the 3rd spot and Jeff in the lineup means I’ll be skipping out on watching this game
July 9th, 20096:02 pm
Supes… You said: “Just damn sometimes, I’m the biggest Chipper Jones fan out here, but sometimes…I wonder about his ability to play with injuries?”
No need to wonder. We have a five-year + track record of Chipper not playing with injuries.
Why this very talented guy has been plagued with serious injuries in the last five years is a mystery. But his not playing when he bruises a toe, etc., has a whiff of prima donna.
That, or he’s so spooked about minor injuries turning into bigger ones, that he sits himself out.
July 9th, 20096:03 pm
AA sponsor, I was also in the Westin bar in Chicago Monday night and I saw Chipper drinking for several hours with Moylan, Hudson, and several other Braves. In fact, Chipper was the second guy to arrive at the bar after Moylan. Interestingly, Garrett was sitting by himself at the end of the bar instead of at the tables with his teammates. By the way, several Indians were also at the bar (they were in town to play the White Sox) and their pitching coach was hammered. Even Indians manager Eric Wedge was there, and he contributed a crisp C-note to the Indians large bar tab.
Oh, wow, did someone mention Mike Cameron as a possibility for next year? I’m getting that warm, park-adjusted feeling all over. (SCOOTS)
that would almost certainly have been DAP who has a SERIOUS man-crush on the guy. DAP will be championing him to become a Brave 5 years after he retires.
Colorado Yankee in King Arthur's Court
July 9th, 20096:04 pm
DOB – I moved to Denver from Decatur a few weeks ago, so I’ll be at the game tonight! Any recommendations on a CD store out here to replace Decatur CD?
If I pitch here today (and fail)
Would you still remember me?
For I must be warming up, now,
cause theres too many batters Ive got to see.
But, if I stayed here with you, blog,
Things just couldnt be the same.
cause Im as free as a bird now (and set to start at 8 pm),
And this bird you can not change.
Lord knows, I cant change.
Bye, bye, its been a sweet love.
Though this feeling I cant change.
But please dont take it badly,
cause lord knows Im to blame.
But, if I stayed here with you AJC blog
Things just couldnt be the same (and I could lose).
Cause Im as free as a bird now,
And this bird youll never change.
And this bird you can not change.
Lord knows, I cant change.
Lord help me, I cant change.
July 9th, 20096:05 pm
I was just kidding about the lineup, I didn’t really want Chipper to sit and Francoeur to play…
This brings new life to the “Be Careful What You Wish For” phrase.
Fred, boys will boys. Work hard – err, play hard – and play hard.
“Not sure what I mean about Lowe taxing our bullpen”
Well I had said that in his losses the Braves got behind and he didn’t make it into the 4th inning. That was a loose bit of hyperbole. But,still in his last 5 outings Lowe has averaged just 4.1 innings per start.Once he pitched just 2.1 inning, another time he pitched just 3 innings and another time just 5 innings. So booyah! While I was off the mark a bit, the point still stands that he has taxed the bullpen in recent outings. He is supposed to be our “cowbell pitcher” but as of right now he’s 4th out of 5.
July 9th, 20096:06 pm
bigmacattack Anderson STILL playing in the 3rd spot…
…and McCann still batting in the fourth spot…
No skipping for me…I could never bring myself to skip a game on purpose.
July 9th, 20096:07 pm
It’s obvious Diaz is better than Frenchy, but why the hell did the Braves sign GA(no other team offered him a contract) Diaz is better than him too. I’m talking now not his 2400 hits. Keith Law even said it.
that would almost certainly have been DAP who has a SERIOUS man-crush on the guy.
I think DAP sees him as a live OF who can post league-average or better numbers while playing halfway decent defense, which makes him superior to, oh, about 67% of our current starting OF.
Nothing to indicate yet that Schafer will be ready to be a productive outfielder at the big league level next year. Heyward is in double A right now and probably slated for triple AAA next year. You can probably pencil him in for 2011, but he’s not likely to tear it up in his first big league season. Rookies are rarely impact players. If the Braves hope to contend in the next few years they’ve got a acquire an outfield bat to hit cleanup.
NO MORE BOBBY
Skidding Lowe at Coors – sounds like a ride at Dollywood.
July 9th, 20096:08 pm
bigmacattack – the joy of being a FAn is to take the pain of our ugly losses… otherwise how can you rejoice in the wins……. a real fan says eff it, I am watching this bollocks no matter what… if I smash an HP notebook or 3, wtf !
Chipper is out…yet again. He is a fantastic hitter, very good defensive player, & a potential hall of famer, but his body is in decline. In order for the Braves to have ANY chance, Chipper needs to be in the lineup (almost everyday). It’s time to consider what return value you could get for Chipper (at least see what type of offers you could get). He would be a perfect fit for an AL contender in the DH role. I know alot of you are going to slam me for this, but it maybe time to move in another direction.
I must have come into the bar later than you as the bar was mostly empty save for a few fat business men who were looking for a place to sleep and Chipper, alone at a round table watching Sportscenter and pounding what the bar tender told me was his 5th scotch of the night. Perhaps he was waiting for a wings delivery from Hooters?
PS: Garrett Anderson is the worst #3 hitter in any lineup in all of baseball tonight. FACT.
July 9th, 20096:11 pm
Keeping It Real -
If you trade Chipper, make sure you send away 20 points on BMac’s batting average. No offense to Brian (He’s an outstanding hitter), but Chipper has been his mentor.
Chipper’s fine to take as much time off or on the field he needs. He adds tremendous value (aside from a slight step down this year defensively) in many areas: versatility (switch-hitter), leadership, experience, power, average
So, find a couple prospects that measure up to that, and maybe you can trade him. I still say we gotta find a way to get Justin Smoak from the Rangers so he can hit with Chipper for a couple years.
July 9th, 20096:13 pm
Willy Wally, let’s put it to poetry. Surely you or someone can do better than this:
Great Summer Leader,
You steal half my happiness
When you play Francoeur
Garret Anderson is like George Thorogood–they drink alone. Yeaaah, with nobody else…
DOB, GA just can’t catch a break from people, can he?
Call me crazy – but instead of trading Javy (if we have to trade a starter due to Hudson coming back) why not trade Lowe. Are you telling me that a team in desperate need of pitching wouldn’t jump at the chance to get Lowe, even considering his recent struggles?
MAybe Chipper does want to be Micky MAntle.
July 9th, 20096:14 pm
July 9th, 2009
The Scowl huh? Thats better than my nickname for him, which is “I’ll kill you”.
Maybe the best post ever….LOL
July 9th, 20096:16 pm
Yeh, I don’t really understand why the heck GA is batting 3rd in the order. Just not a very good spot for him.
AA – Is 5 scotches a lot, seriously
plus I object to the abject racism of your post,
putting an Australian in a bar… what ever is the world coming to
July 9th, 20096:17 pm
Let’s not ask too much of Bobby. After all he finally is playing Prado the best hitter on the team. He took Kelly out of the leadoff spot by early summer and he plays Diaz more than once a week. Who knows we may trade for Andruw and he will hit fourth again.
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 9th, 20096:18 pm
Sorry if already posted
According to CandelaDeportiva.com, the Phillies have agreed to terms with free agent Pedro Martinez on a one-year, $4 million contract.
We doubt it’s true, but given that there has been plenty of speculation linking the two sides of late, it’s worth reporting. Pedro to the Phillies does make plenty of sense.
July 9th, 20096:19 pm
AA sponsor, Yes, I was at the bar earlier than you because we headed there straight from Wrigley. Moylan and Chipper were there shortly after the game ended and several other Braves slowly filtered in. I can’t believe Chipper was still there so late. Interestingly, I also made the trip to Chicago last year and after a day game Chipper was at the bar eating and drinking by himself. My buddy and I then went to dinner and to another bar, but came back to the Westin about 4 hours later and Chipper was still drinking with several of his teammates (plus Chip Caray and Mrs. Chip). Chicago is a great city and I highly recommend that road trip to Braves fans.
Yes, 5 scotches is alot. I am an AA sponsor. I would know.
And I never said anything about Australians….
When I saw Chipper there were 5 people in the bar, one of whom had a mop and a bucket. Maybe he was Australian?
July 9th, 20096:21 pm
AA – MOYLAN
July 9th, 20096:22 pm
I’ll bet Moylan can knock ‘em back!
I’ve seen Larry drink too, I wouldn’t say he’s a power-drinker though.
July 9th, 20096:23 pm
In all fairness, when was the last time Chipper “juiced” a ball
Judging by the gut size I’d say…yes.
I agree. Chicago is a great city and has to be the best trip of the year. From your post it sounds like a Braves fan making the road trip can certainly count on two things:
1) A great atmosphere at Wrigley
2) Chipper at the Westin bar, day game or not.
Oh, and probably a 3rd thing: Chipper will miss 1/3 of the season due to poor conditioning….
July 9th, 20096:24 pm
Have a good night all
Go Tommy and the Braves
OK, I tried this on Mark Bradley’s blog with no takers…
It may be worth our time to put together an aggregate list of posters who have bashed Frenchy. Since there is no “responsibility” for an opinion on a message board, if he does have a resurgence, it would be interesting to have a master list of those who stated that he was finished.
Therefore, if Frenchy improves, we wouldn’t have to listen to them anymore. If, however, he doesn’t ever return to any sort of productive form, their opinion is validated and they may gain a margin of credibility.
Is anyone willing to completely write him off? If so, let’s get the list going.
July 9th, 20096:25 pm
BJE–if we do what you suggest, there would no longer be a blog, man.
In all fairness, when was the last time Chipper “juiced” a ball – Rob from SC
I seriously think he’s been ailing for the last few weeks. Just staying mum about it till the other day.
July 9th, 20096:26 pm
Slugger you are nuts if you think trading Chipper(the Braves will never do this) would cause Mac to bat under .300 When McCann is struggling who does he ask for help and advice, his father. Besides McCann is 25 and a 4 time all-star, I do believe he would be fine without Chipper. Im not saying Chipper hasnt helped, Im sure he has, but McCann doesnt need him anymore. Besides not like they wouldnt be friends and he couldnt give Chipper a phone call when he needs to.
If I’m the manager, thank God I’m not, I’d throw out this Chipperless lineup… McLouth/Prado/Mac/Escobar/Garret/Diaz/Kotchman/Conrad.
July 9th, 20096:27 pm
I am willing to write him off. He’ll be out of the major leagues next year.
July 9th, 20096:28 pm
The Braves will be fine. No sense in going crazy trying to figure out things, just so you can post em. 2011 the Braves will have already made the playoff by 2011. They will jell in the second half this year. That is all, Go Bravos!!!
AA sponsor, You are correct about what you can expect in Chi-town. I also really enjoyed the new modern art addition to the Art Institute, and the music being played in the park. Gibson’s isn’t bad, either (had a late lunch/early dinner there on Monday before the game).
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