4:04 pm July 9, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 10th, 20093:48 pm
Bobby’s Cox ~ “We have starting pitching depth: Lowe, Vazquez, Hudson, Hanson, KK, Hanson, Medlen. That’s 7 guys. We can trade 1 and still have 6.”
Um…your math is a little off. On the bright side, your duplication skills are on.
Stupidity abound here again today.
July 10th, 20093:51 pm
dont be so hard on yourself, njbraves.
Am I the only one who thinks all major league players should be able to lay down a bunt? It’s really not that difficult. I know most think it’s Bobby’s fault, but it’s really not.
July 10th, 20093:52 pm
DAP…good one. You have any help coming up with that?
July 10th, 20093:53 pm
I think he also meant JJ. So Lowe, JJ, KK, Vazquez, Hanson, Hudson and Medlen make 7.
bradley’s point is pretty good. i still say we could acquire a vet for RF who hits RHP and could platoon with whoever’s in RF (infante or JF).
Wayne in utah: Nobody called you a racist, ya knucklehead! i thought we said some complimentary things, actually.
July 10th, 20093:54 pm
This is not a facetious question–I have really mellowed since my highly successful prostate surgery–are the Braves universally judged to have a Top 3 Minor League System or are you guys just highly optimistic. I really don’t know. I do know the Marlins pitching in the minors isn’t developing as anticipated but position players appear to have huge upside.
The Braves should try to rape the Tigers again. I grew up following the Tigers and if there is a more overrated baseball man than Dombo I want to know his name. The millions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thrown at Willis and Robertson for no good reason is really strange and that trade last year should have got his A$$ fired.
July 10th, 20093:57 pm
DOB: any comment, or perspective, on Cox questioning escobar’s injury? if anybody wants my perspective on it, i was a raving about it from about 1 to 4 last night, and i stand by those ravings. cox is stubborn and arrogant, and it’s hurting this team.
July 10th, 20093:59 pm
Lou – the Braves’ system is highly regarded outside of the fanbase. I believe it was top 5 at the beginning of the year. It’s likely dropped a bit after the McLouth trade, but still pretty impressive considering the Teixeira deal.
njbraves, nope…popped up in the ol’ skull all by itself….and NO, it wasnt all by itself up there! im not gonna fall for that one.
July 10th, 20094:01 pm
or are you guys just highly optimistic
Surely you know better, Lou. Baseball Prospectus has the Braves at 8, but I believe some other ranking had them in the top 5.
Allen - Calif.
July 10th, 20094:02 pm
seems that Atlanta bullpen has anywhere from 10-15+ blown saves this season. Starting pitching decent, mostly giving 3 runs or less, hitting ok – mostly scoring 3 runs or more per game. Lowe, Vazquez, Jurgens, and now Hanson should have 2-3 more wins each. Painful to watch the 7,8,9 inning leads inevitably disappear.
Why would Cox’s think Escobar is faking an injury after he got and RBI triple. Why come out of the game at that point? It makes no sense. If Cox’s is going to question Escobar’s heart then at least have it make sense!
July 10th, 20094:03 pm
Florida needs a closer…
Trade Gonzales for Hermeida OR Ross (PREFERABLY ROSS)
July 10th, 20094:04 pm
BravesFanInPA He will find that hot streak dont give up on your man in his time of need!!!!!
I’m not giving up on him! Just…just lately every time he comes up with RISP–with the exception of Tuesday night–he hasn’t come through…so I guess you cann say I lost a little of my confidence. I’ll gain it back when he does…
MiltonDawg yes, i cannot stand GA anymore.
Yeah, I’m not real high on him, either…
Mac will get through this…at least he knows how to correct his mistakes unlike his BFF Benchy.
Ye-ep…just a matter of time. I gotta say, I’m kinda ready for the ASB.
DOB McFann, did you secretly lead a campaign that got Victorino on the All-Star team?
TWO-THOUSAND FIVE-HUNDRED FOURTEEN!!!!!!!
July 10th, 20094:07 pm
what team needs starting pitching that has big OF bats….hmmmmm…oh i know…lets trade vazquez (one of the more dominant pitchers this year) for ibanez or werth…(i know you cant tell but there is much sarcasm in this)…i feel like 90% of the bloggers here would make that trade….c’mon
July 10th, 20094:08 pm
July 10th, 2009
Florida needs a closer…
Many Acosta elbow just screamed NOOOOOO!!!
July 10th, 20094:09 pm
Have you ever tried to bunt an 87 mph slider? It’s not that easy. Some pitchers have mastered it because thats about all they ever practice during bp.
July 10th, 20094:11 pm
I have tried to bunt an 87 mph slider and I sucked. The only difference no one ever paid me to be successful at it.
July 10th, 20094:14 pm
Your right, the players that get paid to lay down bunts should be good at it, but not all them can spend that much time on bunting.
Are we gonna get a new blog or am I going to keep having to look at this garbage.
Now I’m ready to be attacked by DOB
July 10th, 20094:15 pm
Ye-ep…just as I suspected: .299 AVG. Arg…first time his AVG has been below .300 since May 23rd. [Sigh], well, he’ll get it back up.
That walk he took last night was only his second this month–2 walks to 6 strikeouts. Lovely…
July 10th, 20094:16 pm
gonzo i think could be good trade bait…but then moyaln moves to the 8th (inning) then o’flaherty and bennet (when back) in the 7th??? hmmm i dont know…i like moylan and o’flat in the 7th better…gonzo just needs to be able learn how to throw is breaking pitches more consistantly and maybe throw a fastball in between FOUR IN A ROW…does anyone know when javy’s contract is up??
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 10th, 20094:21 pm
But I’m not knocking Huddy. Vazquez, for has good as he has been, is absolutely pitching over his head right now. But that’s not to say he isn’t a better bet going forward than Hudson – coming off Tommy John surgery.
Tim Hudson: Career 146-77 with an ERA of 3.48
Javier Vazquez: Career 133-136 with an ERA of 4.25
Not so hard to figure out, now is it?
Want to know who the best five active pitchers in the big leagues are ranked by both wins and winning percentage? Pin yours ear back and let the wind blow through…….
Roy Halliday 141-69 / .671
Johan Santana 118-58 / .670
Roy Oswalt 134-68 / .663
Tim Hudson 146-77 / .655
Randy Johnson 303-166 / .646
That’s high Cotton, friends.
July 10th, 20094:22 pm
DOB: any comment, or perspective, on Cox questioning escobar’s injury? — Jed
Yeah, my question is: How did Cox’s comment morph into “questioning” Escobar’s injury?
July 10th, 20094:23 pm
UNCBRAVE: I like the idea of aquiring Ross from Florida, but I think Gonzo is worth more tahn Ross. It’s really too bad Florida didn’y take the Francouer for Ross trade.
July 10th, 20094:24 pm
So have all of the bloggers officaly put gonzo on the trading block?
DWW, I guess what you are saying is that the Braves are slow, have little power, have a poor on base percentage and they can’t get runners over by laying down a bunt. What are the Braves hitters good at then?
July 10th, 20094:26 pm
My sentiments exactly DOB, but hey it added 3-4 pages to the blog.
July 10th, 20094:27 pm
Jim: braves hitters are good for hitting for singles
July 10th, 20094:28 pm
John Grove could be out for a month.
Boy, talk about a crummy season so far…
July 10th, 20094:30 pm
If I was the Marlins I would release Hermida–OUTRIGHT!!!!!!! He is a BUST and must just recognize it.
Will not trade Ross for a relief pitcher. Hanley is the ONLY consistent threat on a day to day basis. Losing Ross is taking too much out of a lineup that already struggles to score runs.
Go peddle Gonzalez to the Tigers. Dombo will probably give you Cabrera and Edwin Jackson. Blanking Idiot!!
July 10th, 20094:31 pm
Ross is a good player. Will cost more than Gonzalez.
July 10th, 20094:33 pm
IF you watched Florida on a day to day basis you would know that Gonzo is not worth Ross who hits in the clutch, pretty good pop, good strike zone control, good CF and very good RF–They give this up for what has morphed into a Freak Show. If the moron quit rocking back and forth it might just work out for him.
July 10th, 20094:34 pm
You are right. The question should be any comment or perspective on Cox’s obvious frustration with Escobar’s injury and why he voiced that to the media (not in so many words but rather through inflection of his voice per your description).
July 10th, 20094:37 pm
I think he is a good guy, but I hate his rocking back and forth as much as the Cub’s fans did. No way he can concentrate like that.
July 10th, 20094:38 pm
i dont know bout OFFICIALLY putting gonzo on trading block but think of this: “the scowl” and gonzo are both free agents, who are you going to re-sign?? right now it seems like soriano (more consistent) so it is possible to trade him to get a bat since we have the pitching depth (not so much in the bullpen though) and will only resign one of our two co-closers
Did anyone believe we got the best end of the deal when we traded Edgar for JJ? Be honest!
July 10th, 20094:42 pm
We knew we had Esco to take his place, so whatever we got for Renteria was a bonus
July 10th, 20094:47 pm
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July 10th, 20094:48 pm
Hmm. Vazquez and Escobar injured. I think they just don’t want to be traded.
July 10th, 20094:57 pm
It’s funny what losing does to people. Nobody was complaining about Gonzo’s rocking before his last couple of bad outings but now it’s stupid and breaks his concentration. Ya’ll were calling him the “Rocking Cobra” for Christ Sakes! I don’t know about some of you but I beleive he’s still the closer next year because at Soriano’s rate, he’s gonna be too far out of Atl. price range.
Lou Vales, please. You act like Cody Ross is so special. Just because he hits some HR’s doesn’t make him worth so much more than Gonzo. Plays excellent defense? Since when? He’s average out there and I’d like to see him patrol our OF but don’t make him out to be more than what he is.
dunwoody in denver
July 10th, 20094:59 pm
Hey DOB, did you have a chance to go to that hot dog place I told you about yesterday?
July 10th, 20095:01 pm
TnBrian- From a Braves fan in South Florida, Cody is a good player and, especially now, worth more than Gonzo. I see the Marlins play often and Cody is a good defensive player. Vales has been spot on today.
July 10th, 20095:06 pm
To the poster that several pages back asked why Gonzo’s rocking wasn’t in violation of the rules about ‘not deceiving the batter’…actually the rule is that you can’t do anything that in the opinion of the ump is attempting to deceive the ‘runner’. Without any runners on the pitcher can do anything he wants so long as his foot stays in contact with the rubber – and even that gets missed some. He can quick-pitch, he can multiple pump, he can even stop his windup altogether, and it won’t matter.
But I do agree that pumping crap isn’t doing anything but arousing the opposing fans and that probably does more to distract Gonzo than the hitter. Pitch from the stretch and junk that junky windup.
Steve from OH
July 10th, 20095:07 pm
Dayton Moore traded for Yuniesky Betancourt? And gave the M’s a projectable live arm to boot? What and idiot.
Still complaining that we let him go to KC?
There may be hope that we’ll get rid of Francoeur yet…
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar) (I hate Bobby Cox)
July 10th, 20095:09 pm
July 10th, 2009
Ross is a good player. Will cost more than Gonzalez.
Not if they are desperate for a closer
July 10th, 20095:10 pm
we shall see
July 10th, 20095:19 pm
PWH–in regard to your Francoeur comment, I agree that there has to be something going on “behind the scenes,” some reasoning that we’re not aware of for keeping him in the lineup. Whether it’s good or not is certainly debatable, but I for one would love to hear why exactly they’re keeping him in there. Heck, you know he sucks when you, me, Coach, and pretty much the rest of the blog agree. We haven’t seen this much agreement on one subject since…ever.
July 10th, 20095:20 pm
Yeah, my question is: How did Cox’s comment morph into “questioning” Escobar’s injury? (DOB)
The typical cast of Cox-hating conspiracy theorists….going on all night long over nothing. OCD rules the blog, no doubt. Sad.
July 10th, 20095:21 pm
Ross is a good player. Will cost more than Gonzalez. (Baba)
you are kidding, right?
July 10th, 20095:57 pm
TnBrian, I hope I didn’t convey the impression that I thought Ross was a very good player. I think he is a GOOD player who is one of only 4 guys you can count on–Ramirez, Cantu, Baker–to deliver in the clutch. You can’t give up that much of your offense for a closer who may or may not implode at any time. Unless you watch the Marlins daily you have no idea the number of black holes they have in the lineup–Bonafacio, Uggla, Hermida. Counting the pitcher’s spot 44% of the lineup stinks.
July 10th, 20096:01 pm
The Marlins are biding their time until Stanton is in right, Coghlin at 2b, Morrison in left, Sanchez at 3B, Maybin in CF. Hermida will be out of the league in 4 years, Uggla will be on a devastating downturn and Ross will have fetched someone, but they ain’t trading him for a guy who won’t have many games to save if they never have the lead.
July 10th, 20096:08 pm
ryan church for francuer
church for francuer heard it on espn
July 10th, 20096:22 pm
It is MY BIRTHDAY, bishes! And Frank Wren LOVES ME! WOO!
July 10th, 20096:49 pm
Finally, Francoeur traded to the Mets for Ryan Church.
July 10th, 20096:53 pm
While Ryan Church isnt a superstar, he is a pretty good player who has a strong arm to play right field. What I dont understand is why in the world did the Mets trade for Francoeur? If Francoeur thinks that the bloggers in Atlanta was hard on him………….just imagine how the New York bloggers are going to be on him? Francoeur playing for the Mets actually helps the Braves.
I guess that there is a sucker out there if you look hard enough. Not only do the Braves dump Francoeur, we pick up a decent outfielder. I do not think that the Braves could have done any better.
Hopefully the Mets will offer Francoeur salary arbitration at the end of the season so the $5-6 mil that he will surely get will tie up their payroll.
July 10th, 20096:58 pm
Ok so I thought 90% of people wanted Frenchy gone, release him, whatever and now he is traded and I turn on sports radio and everyone is pissed, swearing they won’t go to a braves game again etc…thinking the braves gave up to soon, what gives.
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