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ncscoots
July 8th, 2009
12:50 pm
DAP – and everyone else in baseball is questioning how in hell did Wren steal (in their view) mcLouth from the Bucs
Except, of course, it wasn’t a theft. Gorkys Hernandez in their system partly allowed them to move Nyjer Morgan (for whatever they received, which I don’t remember), and keeps OF depth in their system; and Morton has thrown 17 or so innings of sub-3 ERA.
McLouth is a solid ballplayer, but some here want to make him out as a perennial MVP candidate (he isn’t). The deal seems fair in both directions to me.
DAP
July 8th, 2009
12:51 pm
adam lawsom MCan has never played 1B before, so he probbaly isnt an option there. MCan has played LF, so he could give garet a break. McClouth can cover alot of ground so with francoor in RF McClouth could help MCan in LF.
timthebrave
July 8th, 2009
12:51 pm
Bobby shouldn’t be blamed for a major league hitter being unable to lay down a bunt. That is fundamental to the game. If you think it is the wrong time to bunt than I can see the blame going to the manager, otherwise it is the player’s fault.
Blair
July 8th, 2009
12:51 pm
DOB that answer is hilarious. You know Bobby well!
fastasballs
July 8th, 2009
12:52 pm
I’m still torn on the issue of possibly trading Vazquez. Without trading him this season & getting some bats I really don’t see the Braves making any sort of move for the division.
In a way I’m fine with that, because there should be tons of bats on the market next off season & with the economy many will be cheap. If they don’t resign Hudson, Gonzo or Soriano there should be a lot of money to spend. Also Anderson, Frenchy & KJ probably won’t be here either, freeing up more cash.
Having a rotation of Vazquez, JJ, Hanson, KK & Lowe going into 2010 should be enough for possible free agents to know this team has the pitching to compete. That’s always a plus.
If Vazquez is traded he could bring a huge haul of prospects. I can see them moving him for the right deal & if Hudson is looking good later this month. Either way the payroll would be about the same for next season with Hudson or Vazquez being gone, unless the return for Vazquez includes current major leaguers who have high salaries.
For once the Braves have some guys that other team covet. I’d really like to see Soriano resigned, but he’s going to command some serious money or at least I’d think he would.
Wren has options & he’s shown in the past he can make some great trades so I trust him to make this team better one way or the other.
monty
July 8th, 2009
12:52 pm
I say FW stands pat. I’m sure he realizes that this team (probably) isn’t going to win the East as it is currently constucted. But, I’m also sure he isn’t going to go all desperate and give away excellent pitching (mighty hard to come by) for anything less than a big bat who is controlable (contract wise)for 2-3 years(not many around). If some team gets deperate I’m sure he will listen to offers but FW is in the driver’s seat. He doesn’t have to do anything now. I can see him bundling Franceour, KJ, and Jo-Jo, for maybe one decent prospect who could help in a year or two. I would love to see if the Yankees would take Lowe and his contract, and us get a very good player now. I still think the Yankees need a sinker ball pitcher for that band box they play in.They have had JAvy before and he is more of a flyball pitcher. They need Lowe. Javy, JJ, Hanson, KK, and either Medlen or Hudson as the 5th starter the rest of the way. Get a guy to play RF with some pop for Lowe.
David O'Brien
July 8th, 2009
12:54 pm
What we need is more exclamation marks from Serbok!!!!
And more CAPITAL LETTERS FROM WILLIEG.
And more pronouncements that Cox is the downfall of the Braves punctuated with the tried-and-true Hee Haw and/or nosepicking references. That, my friends, is what this here blog needs.
LOOGY
July 8th, 2009
12:54 pm
2 things DOB
1. We need some player’s intro song to be Frank Zappa’s Bobby Brown.
2. You seen Kendry Morales stats over in Anaheim? I think we traded for the wrong 1B. Poor scouting job on that slapdash trade.
David O'Brien
July 8th, 2009
12:55 pm
By the way, those who hope the Braves trade Francoeur: They probably won’t get much in return, but they’ll get zero in return if they never play him. Gotta at least show he’s healthy and can do something to help a team in some way. So they’ll probably keep running him out there long as he’s on the roster.
glord
July 8th, 2009
12:55 pm
For all those looking for DOB to make Cox a better manager by asking “tough questions” get over it. Not DOBs job to hold Cox accountable for anything. That is Frank Wrens job.
Cox is arrogant, stubborn and well past his prime. It is always easy to second guess a manager but lately Bobby is making it easy but making decisions that defy logic.
brian
July 8th, 2009
12:55 pm
have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moon light?
If the Braves fall out of contention by the end of the month, I wonder if the Braves will engage the Phillies in trade talks. Few need pitching more than the Phillies, and the Phillies would be a good match both in prospects and having a RF in Michael Wuerth that the Braves may be interested in. That one would be hard to swallow except that if we are out of it and it kept the Mets from winning the division
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 8th, 2009
12:55 pm
RHR,
There’s a dilemma with Francoeur. If Wren has any thoughts of trading him, he has to play. Benching a guy is no way to generate interest in him. (Lew, I don’t think he has any value to other teams, either. Just trying to make sense of all this.)
I can (almost) justify giving him ABs at home where he can sell a few jerseys.
But the only reason I see playing him vs RHP on the road (considering the way Diaz has hit recently) is if they’re showcasing him, and keeping their fingers crossed he goes on a hot streak.
Or maybe Bobby believes in the magical powers of the underwear.
ncscoots
July 8th, 2009
12:56 pm
Your on-the-record answer would be something along the lines of…
…and the off-the-record answer would probably scorch the ears of those nearby and cause notebooks to burst into flame spontaneously.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 8th, 2009
12:56 pm
DOB — I’ll never say anything about great minds because, well, I’m not always so swift myself.
glord
July 8th, 2009
12:57 pm
DOB – the problem with playing Francouer to get up his trade value is the more he has played the lower his value goes. Not even D Moore will touch him now.
brian
July 8th, 2009
12:57 pm
DOB – do you think Francoeur could rebuild his value to some degree in the minors? If he could get his confidence back and hit against minor league pitching do you think that may help spur some team to take a chance on Francoeur? At the least it would hopefully help Francoeur be more productive when he returns to the majors and let the hot Matt Diaz take his place for a little bit for the Braves.
Efrim
July 8th, 2009
12:58 pm
I keep seeing Phillies are favorites for Halladay. My only hope is that they would trade every single one of their good prospects for him: Taylor, Knapp, Drabek, Brown, Donald, Marson etc. Clean the system out. Then Halladay bolts after 2010….and two more division crowns for the Phils.
Lunatic Fringe
July 8th, 2009
12:58 pm
I can imagine DOB’s conversation with Bobbie today,
DOB “Hey Bobbie, today I thought I would pass along some questions from my blog denizens, that OK?”
Bobbie “Sure D.O. go ahead.”
DOB “So, what kind of underwear you got going today?”
Bobbie, (sliding away from DOB as he speaks) “Geez Davy, What kind of frigging denizens you got on your blog?’
DOB “You know Bobbie, the kind that are obsessed with the turkey stuff. Have you talked to Jeff about it today?”
Bobbie “G** D*** O’Brian, do you think I am going to tell Jeff what underwear is allowed?”
DOB “Ok, how about a tough question then. Last night when Jeff was on first, you had Matt come in to pinch hit”
Bobbie “Yeah, I though this kind of question would come up”
DOB “A denizen wants to know why you didn’t have Matt just throw his bat at Jeff and take him out when he had the chance?”
Bobbie “ Well, we had talked to Matty about that already, and I told him that Jeff was “special”, and that if he even thought about doing that again I would sit him on the bench.”
Daniel
July 8th, 2009
12:58 pm
DOB-
totally unrelated to baseball.
I finally got the Manchester Orchestra album. Man, totally blew me away. I saw them a couple of years ago, and they have come a long way. I know you have been on their bandwagon; I don’t know what took me so long. Best local release of the year, and currently in my Top 5 for the year as a whole.
Also, I wanted to reccomend the movie Gomorrah. If you haven’t seen it yet, highly reccomended. It is about the Naples mafia, in sort of a City of God street style.
Cameron
July 8th, 2009
12:58 pm
By the way. I wish Francoeur was out of the lineup more then the next guy, but do yall relize the 5 game winning streak the Braves were on included Jeff in the lineup, and then they take him out for 3 games and they lose all 3, then he is in the lineup last night and they win? Just a thought.
LSU
July 8th, 2009
12:59 pm
DOB,
Can Ross play 1st base? Kotchman is looking Frenchy-esque lately, and with even less power.
AlabamaBrave
July 8th, 2009
12:59 pm
DOB @ 12:43- Thanks for asking and for responding back.
Efrim
July 8th, 2009
12:59 pm
How many teams are willing to take on Francoeur salary too? 3.4 million this year. Will be the same next year. He isn’t worth it. May as well wait for the Braves to non tender him.
brian
July 8th, 2009
1:00 pm
A good way to read Frency’s current attitude is to see what his response would be if someone asked him if he had thought about turning to pitching and giving up in RF. If he acts insulted or laughs then he probably still has no idea how far his star has fallen.
DAP
July 8th, 2009
1:00 pm
this is a line from MLBtrade rumors, talking about joel sherman’s article:
The Phillies want to win now and they think Halladay’s ground ball-based approach would thrive in their homer-friendly park.
this struck me as funny. really phillies? you think halladay would be successful, hunh? because of his ground ball style, of course, yes. but not simply because he is the best pitcher in the universe? hehe.
Daniel
July 8th, 2009
1:00 pm
glord- I have to agree with you on Francouer. I would have thought that playing him would have helped his trade value, but not in the last 2-3 weeks.
RHR
July 8th, 2009
1:01 pm
Piedmont – I’m not saying if they should or shouldn’t start him, I’m just getting a kick out of the few people I have seen saying “HA! Braves lost when he was benched but won the night he started again!”
I’m pretty much resigned to the fact that we’re stuck with him for the duration of this season but haters (me) gonna hate anyway (damn right!).
Atlanta Cowards
July 8th, 2009
1:01 pm
not going to read all previous posts but if you are looking for good stuff to do here (and close to Wrigley):
Reckless Records (you know the supposed record store from Hi-Fidelity) in Wicker Park or on Broadway
Chicago Diner
Kumas – Best Burger in town (not all that close but worth the trip)
Dave’s Records on Clark St.
not a lot but close to where you probably are
Jeff321
July 8th, 2009
1:03 pm
Bobby shouldn’t be blamed for a major league hitter being unable to lay down a bunt.
Bobby should be blamed for having people on the team that are unable to lay down a bunt. So, you can either blame him for not teaching these guys or blame him for keeping ‘em on the team.
So, go ahead and pin the blame on the HOF manager. Because the excuse making is really getting old.
CameronC
July 8th, 2009
1:04 pm
Tell Francoeur to give the Braves back the money for this year and we will help him get into a NFL camp this upcoming football season.
Epinephrine
July 8th, 2009
1:06 pm
If the Phils get Halladay…I don’t even want to think about it.
CameronC
July 8th, 2009
1:07 pm
Hey, is there anyway we can trade Francoeur to the Falcons for a couple of thier water boys, and a cheerleader?
dogsbrekky
July 8th, 2009
1:07 pm
ncscoots – yes, the MLB so called experts were calling it an ATL steal of McLouth, I am convinced they do NOT do much analysis of the type you are likely to
Renegator
July 8th, 2009
1:09 pm
I agree with brian – let Francoeur build his trade value in AAA. His trade value right now is 0 whether he is sitting on the bench or hitting one weak single a game.
If he can tear up AAA – maybe a team (Royals) take a chance on him.
DAM
July 8th, 2009
1:10 pm
DAP, I’m going to assume you weren’t serious with the “McCann in LF” idea. I mean, it would be great from an entertainment perspective if you want to see Adam Dunn v2.0 in terms of mobility and grace, but other than that ….
Homer
July 8th, 2009
1:11 pm
The Blog sure as hell doesn’t need to know what you had for breakfast, you that bored?
Original Jon
July 8th, 2009
1:11 pm
Its gonna be all bad if the Phils get Halladay.
Renegator
July 8th, 2009
1:11 pm
dogsbrekky:
The McLouth trade looks like a steal to us because compared to our outfield the last couple years – McLouth looks like a damn MVP.
Noah
July 8th, 2009
1:12 pm
If they don’t resign Hudson, Gonzo or Soriano there should be a lot of money to spend.
Then you have no bullpen and a team without a good backend is doomed.
PWHjort
July 8th, 2009
1:12 pm
Hey,
I wonder who the MLB leader in xFIP is? Yep. It’s Javier Vazquez. Dude is absolutely incredible. I said he’d be in the conversation for the Cy Young and you all laughed at me!
dogsbrekky
July 8th, 2009
1:13 pm
Lunatic – I chortled, a LOT
DAM
July 8th, 2009
1:14 pm
timthebrave, I don’t think anyone would disagree with you on the point that every major league player should be able to lay down a bunt. I think the point is there are probably 10 better bunters than Diaz sitting on the bench in that situation, with 4 of them being starting pitchers.
On a side note, one would also think that everyone in the majors should do a little light running, but apparently not even every manager thinks that way. Just ask Cito Gaston and Scott Downs about that … and I think it’s safe to say that running is even more basic than bunting.
DAP
July 8th, 2009
1:14 pm
DAM, i was talking about MCan…whos McCann? :- )
Nate
July 8th, 2009
1:14 pm
So, I understand why everyone is talking about trading Vazquez, but i think were talking about trading the wrong guy. I understand that other teams want Vazquez because he’s signed to a basically market rate contract that expires after next year; plus he’s pitching well right now. But from the Braves’ point of view Lowe is a huge liability right now. He has a long contract, and he’s getting paid over market value. He’s not pitching well right now, and his abilities are likely to drop of considerably before the end of the contract. Signing Lowe looks like a pretty bad move right now. (Wren had to know that his lineup didn’t have enough pop to complete this year. That should have make it unnecessary to send big on overpriced free agents last winter.) The trade deadline is the only time of year even possible to find the level of desperation necessary to assume a huge contract like Lowe’s. If Wren can find someone desperate enough to take on Lowe’s contract even for a low level prospect, then he should take it. That would free up a big chunk of cash to upgrade the lineup for next year.
obamallama
July 8th, 2009
1:14 pm
Can you listen to the game online?
AndyC
July 8th, 2009
1:14 pm
Efrim
It’s funny. I was about to say something very similar about Halladay going to the Phils. Some seem to think that it would not take that much to get him because he only has 1.5 years left on his contract, but I don’t think so. If the Phils do get him I hope they give up everyone of their top prospects. Sounds like they may not be able to go any higher on their payroll though. Here’s the story on Yahoo Sports.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtyQYLDcyu9e2Xta_J5fBV8RvLYF?slug=ge-fullcount070709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
MikeM
July 8th, 2009
1:15 pm
I think Diaz is a great player and I love the fact that he always RUNS to first base, but, I wish somebody would show him the video of Conrads bunt last night.
stynes
July 8th, 2009
1:16 pm
DOB – you’ve previously posted your KC BBQ recommendations. I’m going through there in a couple of weeks and want to hit at least one. If I’m lucky maybe I’ll get to hit a second on my way back. Thanks!
Kris in NC
July 8th, 2009
1:16 pm
Everyone knows we call Freeman, Freddie not Frederick. Let’s not get technical on the full name nonsense. If you pull up the Mississippi Braves roster, he is listed as Freddie Freeman. Do your homework. Folks, Lawson seems to float from message board to message board now he is on here.
As for who gets traded, why in the world would we trade Vazquez in the 1st place? This guy has been lights out for us. Unless we get something huge in return, we need to keep him. Huddy has said in the past, he would go to the bullpen if it would help the team. Getting Huddy back is like picking up an arm at the trade deadline. Seeing what guys like Prado and Diaz are doing right now, it is nice to see our bench is good and Infante is going to be back after the break, another bat off the bench. Conrad has been a very nice surprise, good bat and showed some nice defense at 2B.
As for Frenchy and KJ, unless they get their trade value up, we probably wouldn’t even get a bag of balls and some maple and ash bats for them. Schafer is on the DL right now, he has a broken wrist, he is out until Sept. Now the trade for McLouth is even a bigger move made by Wren, which in hind sight was the right move.
Yes, we need a RH power bat in this lineup if we are going to make a run at the Phillies, in order to do that, we need to figure out who is going to go in a trade, whether it is pitching or trading someone like Yunel to get it done. Right now, if we look at the standings, we are in 3rd place and in front of the Mets. Who would have thought the Mets would be in 4th place before the ASB? Not me. Now that is funny.
Steve from OH
July 8th, 2009
1:16 pm
Did anyone else see that Lenny Dykstra finally filed for bankruptcy? “Nails” apparently has between 10 and 50 million in debt and–wait for it–a mere $50,000 in assets. Good riddance.
stynes
July 8th, 2009
1:16 pm
There was supposed to be a question in there… like… you’ve previously posted them but I can’t remember what they were. Would you mind posting them again?
Thanks!
DP
July 8th, 2009
1:16 pm
Yeah, if Francouer managed to get on a huge hot streak and put up a .275 BA, .320 OBP and .675 OPS for 2 weeks I’m sure there would be a number of teams who would forget his first 2500 AB’s. The guy is a complete stiff, and everybody in baseball other than Bobby Cox has figured it out.
PWHjort
July 8th, 2009
1:16 pm
MLB xFIP Leaders (Qualified only):
1. Javier Vazquez – 2.65
2. Tim Lincecum – 2.72
3. Dan Haren – 2.94
4. Roy Halladay – 2.97
t-5. Zach Greinke – 3.14
t-5. Justin Verlander – 3.14
Mixxo
July 8th, 2009
1:17 pm
Mac at first? Lawd, lawd!
He can’t even corral a 58 ft. sinker, he’d be a nightmare at first.
RHR
July 8th, 2009
1:17 pm
If the Phils get Halladay…I don’t even want to think about it.
Wait wait wait. Toronto is selling? Oh $hit. What does Philly or the Mets have to offer though? I would say not much but IDK about their farm. Seems like a better fit for the…Dodgers? Yankees? Anyone not in the NLEast. Except the Natinals. They can get him (ha!) since they’re going to beat us anyway.
groundfog
July 8th, 2009
1:18 pm
Ask Frenchy this question:
Frenchy, how do you fell right now about not taking the guaranteed money, while All Star Brian McCann did?
Possible responses
A. Violent Vomit attack
B. Punches DOB in the face
C. Takes the high road
D. Sneers
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 8th, 2009
1:18 pm
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
Jo Jo, if DFA’d, would be claimed by the first team.
DAM
July 8th, 2009
1:22 pm
DAP
touche.
Soph
July 8th, 2009
1:23 pm
Boo daygames…
Keeping It Real
July 8th, 2009
1:23 pm
Does anyone know how much cash can be saved from dropped contracts next year? In other words, what Braves can be released,not signed, not retained under contract, not subject to arbitration, etc.? What money would be available from the savings. Who are the untochables. Forget about personal likes and dislikes, this is business. How can this team be made better next year? Play the hand they have for this year since they are only four games out despite the lack of power. Don’t give up the ship thinking World Series like they did last year with Texira.
DAP
July 8th, 2009
1:23 pm
Can you listen to the game online?
yeah. can you?
PWHjort
July 8th, 2009
1:23 pm
What is it with former Brave killers getting into legal trouble. Leyritz, Lenny Dykstra……
McFann ;Ô;
July 8th, 2009
1:24 pm
Thanks for the lineup, Chief. Was kinda hoping McCann would get the day off…oh well…
DAP i was talking about MCan…
Wow…you tryin’ to dive me batty?
Mixxo He can’t even corral a 58 ft. sinker, he’d be a nightmare at first.
VaBravesfan
July 8th, 2009
1:24 pm
I am coming through Atlanta next month, will be staying one night. Somebody give me a can’t-miss restaurant.
Daniel
July 8th, 2009
1:25 pm
Keeping it real- the only untouchables are Hanson, McCann, and JJ. Chipper is kinda of untouchable because of his contract.
fastasballs
July 8th, 2009
1:25 pm
Ok so the Braves are back to running Francouer out there so his trade value will improve? So instead of going with the hot hand, Diaz, to help this team win the Braves are willing to sacrifice offense so Frenchy can land us a high A player instead of a low A player? That is IF he does something besides slap or dribble some infield singles.
I think the rest of major league baseball has seen what Frenchy has brought to the table the past 1 1/2 years & I seriously doubt the next 2-3 three weeks will change their thinking.
Hasn’t Wren been shopping him for quite a while. Maybe the thinking should be if we bench him his value can’t decline anymore. Well if that’s even possible.
Daniel
July 8th, 2009
1:25 pm
VaBravesfan- what are you looking for in style of food?
Steve from OH
July 8th, 2009
1:27 pm
PWH–did you read the ESPN article on Dykstra and his shady-arse business? There was another one in GQ too:
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_8558
PWHjort
July 8th, 2009
1:28 pm
No, Steve from OH, I didn’t see it yet. I’ll read it tonight. I’m sure I’ll enjoy every word of it.
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 8th, 2009
1:29 pm
Keeping It Real
I will do my best to answer your question.
The untouchables would have to be: Jair Jurrjens, Tommy Hanson, and Jason Heyward.
Because of contracts will most likely not be moved: Derek Lowe, Chipper Jones, Kenshin Kawakami.
I doubt that Nate McLouth will be traded either.
The Braves have tough decisions with Tim Hudson (12 million option), Javier Vazquez (final year of deal) and Yunel Escobar.
Escobar is the player on this team that has the most value apart from the three I mentioned as untouchables. He is a dynamic shortstop. I would not trade him, but it depends if Cox stays as manager.
The bullpen is a big question mark. Soriano and Gonzalez are FA. Due to financial concerns the Braves will only be able to sign one in all likely hood. If the Braves trade or DFA Jeff Francoeur and Kelly Johnson they will save about 10 million dollars.
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 8th, 2009
1:29 pm
Meant to include McCann as untouchable
BL
July 8th, 2009
1:30 pm
I love how every other post is a trade scenario. Was anyone here last offseason? Based on all of those debacles it is safe to say our front office doesn’t even know who they are going to get, and that is during the end of the deal. These pipe dreams will never work out, mainly because very few people on here talk about what really matters to Mgnt., $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ & contracts, not ability.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 8th, 2009
1:30 pm
fastaballs,
My guess is our time watching Frenchy in a Braves uniform is fleeting. If he’s not dealt by the deadline, he’ll probably spend most of his time in August and September on the bench. And then the Braves will non-tender him in December.
AlabamaBrave
July 8th, 2009
1:33 pm
My question is, if the Braves can’t get anything for JF, and will probably non-tender him in Dec., why not DFA him now and bring up someone to take his place?
timthebrave
July 8th, 2009
1:34 pm
Bobby Cox has nothing to do with who is on the team. That is up to wren
PWHjort
July 8th, 2009
1:34 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHA:
9. Felix Pie twisted a testicle in spring training.
http://bases.newsvine.com/_news/2009/07/08/3008388-broken-toes-twisted-testicles-and-spaghettios?category=sports
Adam Lawson
July 8th, 2009
1:37 pm
On the stats page, you say why is Frenchy still here? BUT FOR THE LAST FREAKING TIME!!!! HE IS A GOOD LUCK CHARM WHENEVER HE WEARS TURKEY UNDERWEAR!!! WHY DO YOU WANT TO JUST DESTROY THAT?
PWHjort
July 8th, 2009
1:38 pm
AlabamaBrave,
Because you might be able to get something for or from him later in the season. No need to cut your losses right now. I’d be all for optioning him to the minors, but not DFA’ing him.
fastasballs
July 8th, 2009
1:39 pm
Piedmont Blues, I have no doubt his time is fleeting, but don’t agree in the least about him starting games now. Diaz is better right now by a long shot. Heck I’d take Blanco right now, at least he has speed.
Playing Francoeur isn’t going to increase his trade value unless he has the best two-three weeks of his life, then the Braves would keep him. I really wish he would go on a tear. I hate it for him, but the Braves are only 4 games out right now & need offense right now, which he has proven time & time again he can’t produce for the team.
Nobody is giving up anything of value for him & his contract right now so in the end playing him does nothing but hurt the team unless he goes on a tear. Nothing in the past 1 1/2 years plus leads anyone to believe he can do that.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 8th, 2009
1:39 pm
AlabamaBrave,
I think you still have to pay Frenchy’s full salary unless another team offers something for him before he clears waivers. It would make more sense to demote him than DFA him. And that could happen in August, I suppose.
I’m also not sure who in the upper levels of the minors (other than Brandon Jones) you’d want in his place on the 25-man roster now.
Yeah, it’s sad.
Mixxo
July 8th, 2009
1:41 pm
McFann – I love Mac, but a defensive gem….he isn’t.
Adam Lawson
July 8th, 2009
1:41 pm
well if you don’t believe in superstition and the underwear, we could always call up chris burke to take frenchy’s place
Chris
July 8th, 2009
1:42 pm
Jeff is of no value to anyone right now, best to just release him, he is an automatic out. Running him out there to show he has value is irresponsible and dumb, as he has proven to be valueless. If we want to win, Jeff F must go.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 8th, 2009
1:42 pm
fastaballs,
Unless the Braves plan to send him down, he’s going to play more games than not until the deadline. In fact, his very presence in the lineup tells me they’re desperately trying to get anything they can for him, or at least include him as part of a deal involving other players.
dogsbrekky
July 8th, 2009
1:43 pm
Dobi One Knobi – I know Chicago quite well (the ex was from there) and I am a fan of their pizza
be interested to hear if you have tried Lou Malnati’s in Lincolnwood yet
In order for pizza I like
Lou Malnati
Due
Uno
Giardano
Also, there is an excellent steak place down from the Westin (Michigan) called Rosebud which is quite good
Adam Lawson
July 8th, 2009
1:44 pm
WHY IS NOBODY ADDRESSING THE UNDERWEAR???? THAT IS WHY HE IS STARTING!!! CUZ WE WIN WHEN HE WEARS THEM! IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE DOES TO PRODUCE AS LONG AS HE’S STARTING AND WEARING THE DRAWERS! WHY DON’T YOU GET THAT?
McFann ;Ô;
July 8th, 2009
1:48 pm
Mixxo–
Eh, OK. He made a really nice play last night…
Hey, anybody see his interview with Jerome J. last night? Good stuff. Jerome kida embarrassed him at the end I think…
Jeff321
July 8th, 2009
1:49 pm
Bobby Cox has nothing to do with who is on the team. That is up to wren
Normally a GM would make the decisions. But, Cox has a whole lotta clout round these parts! (Which is a major reason why this team underachieves.) Do you not recall Wren sending Frenchy to the minors saying something about him staying for a 2-3 weeks? How did that work out? I don’t suppose it was Cox going over Wren’s head to bring back the chosen one, eh?
Duder
July 8th, 2009
1:49 pm
DOB
Think Mac is playing because Chipper isn’t?
Without both of them we would be…welll we would be the team that lost three in a row with neither of them hitting.
McLouth of the South
July 8th, 2009
1:49 pm
David O’Brien
July 8th, 2009
12:55 pm
By the way, those who hope the Braves trade Francoeur: They probably won’t get much in return, but they’ll get zero in return if they never play him. Gotta at least show he’s healthy and can do something to help a team in some way.
I don’t know, DOB-
Momma always said it was better to stay quiet and seem like a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. We might be better off trading him as Jeff Francoeur: International Man of Mystery. Yeah baybee!
Bobby's Cox
July 8th, 2009
1:51 pm
I don’t think Wren will put a “For Sale” sign on Vazquez
I hope not. Could you imagine how embarrassing that would be? I don’t think Javy would appreciate it if they throw him out on the mound with the words “For Sale” written across the back of his jersey above the 33 instead of “Vasquez”.
Adam Lawson
July 8th, 2009
1:52 pm
they wouldn’t have “Vasquez” above the 33 anyway. That’s probably because his name is Javier Vazquez
BL
July 8th, 2009
1:53 pm
Anyone have any TEAM hitting stats when Francoeur plays and when he doesn’t? Runs scored, (the golden) OPS, etc.
rammerjammer
July 8th, 2009
1:54 pm
Maybe Norton will be added after the game and Francoeur sent to Gwinnett. Seriously.
John
July 8th, 2009
1:54 pm
So nice to watch the Braves and Cubs. WGN is the station I watch because the play by play are pros, not like the never shut Braves guy. They never shut up. Trade them or better, fire them both.
Adam Lawson
July 8th, 2009
1:56 pm
why the heck would you want Norton? Were you not here the first few months of the season?
Keeping It Real
July 8th, 2009
1:57 pm
Rob from SC (Please don’t trade Escobar),
Thanks for the feedback. I have always heard that the key to any teams success is strength up the middle. The Braves are strong at catcher, pitching and shortstop. They need power, speed and defense in centerfield. McLouth is a corner fielder in my opinion and not a centerfielder.
The Braves need to acquire a centerfielder along with putting the following on the untouchable list:
Escobar
Prado
Infante
Hanson
Freeman
Heyward
Soriano or Gonzalez
McCann
Jurgens
Vazquez
McLouth
Francouer,Johnson,Hudson,Chipper(I hate this with all my heart)and Lowe should be shopped but no one will probably pick up their salaries. Norton needs to be released. They need more pop at third (especially if Chipper cannot play everyday or is traded) and first base.
N8
July 8th, 2009
1:57 pm
DOB, couldn’t the Braves show he’s healthy and what he can do (Jeff that is), by letting him show such (ahem) “talents” at Gwynnett?
They really aren’t serious about winning, are they?
rammerjammer
July 8th, 2009
2:00 pm
Adam, it’s not that I want Norton. It’s that I don’t want Francoeur right now. We put Diaz in rf, keep Blanco and Norton. I just think Francoeur is a Dead Man Walking and needs to be elsewhere.
Klaus
July 8th, 2009
2:00 pm
To poster who asked what will it take to get Jeff back on track. The only hope is the ghost of Mr. Miyagi.
Paint the fence. Wash the car. Wax on. Wax off.
No, no no. Always look eye.
No show me side to side and hit the curve ball.
Short of a Miyagi intervention I am stumped.