3:47 pm July 7, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 7th, 200911:45 pm
Can any of the JV traders propose a realistic trade that will actually be worth doing?
In a word, no. That’s Frank Wren’s job, not ours, but I’m sure someone will post one shortly. Trade ideas are a dime a dozen on the ole Man in Black blog. It’s funny most of the time when Wren pulls a trade NOBODY on here sees it coming. I’m just a fan, not a GM, but I can tell you his trade value will never be higher.
Maybe Wren doesn’t get a good enough offer, it’s very possible. Vazquez’s limited trade claus will make it a bit harder to get that deal, but it’s possible.
Ha, thanks richbrave.
July 7th, 200911:46 pm
I mean seriously….did the “White Sox GM unsure of Colon’s location” headline writer not notice the alternate implications?
July 7th, 200911:47 pm
Schafer? lol he may never make it. He was awful
[holdi...ah screw it!]
Your and idiot, you doo-doo head!!!!!!!
Yunel Escobar for Shin-Soo Choo would definitely be a trade I’d consider. Neither of them are eligible for free agency until 2014.
“What was the question and what did Cox say”
I dont know what the question was, but I got a hundred bucks sez Cox’s answer was “Hee-Haw”
July 7th, 200911:48 pm
Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg, That kid is a beast, tearing up some Appy League pitching. That Danville team has some mashers on it. Wonder if a move up to Rome is in Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg’s near future?
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
I was waiting for you to respond about Schafer. I let you do it.
July 7th, 200911:49 pm
I said last night that I know this is not a travel site but more people are here tonight and I did not get any responses that helped other than RHR’s. Has anyone been to Playa Del Carmen lately?………..nice win btw……….who the f asks Diaz to bunt when he has 1st and2nd with no outs and he’s hitting 500? Makes no sense to me but this team has made no sense to me since Liebrandt.
July 7th, 200911:50 pm
Schafer cannot overcome the drugs and is finished.
Riiight…because HGH (a chemical that is produced by the body) really affects performance. HGH is taken to help someone heal or recover. It doesn’t give someone the magical ability to hit or field or throw. Jerkish nutbag.
Coach (Moon Pie, Anyone)
Supes, I would not have suggested dealing with the Phillies except for the fact that they have what we need and we have what they want.
Michael Taylor is a monster OF talent and even though Jason Donald is having a poor year, he’s still a solid SS prospect. Joe Savery is starting LHP with coming off TJ surgery but he is dominating in AA right now. They have what we need, for sure.
July 7th, 200911:51 pm
Wonder if a move up to Rome is in Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg’s near future?
He’ll actually be skipping Rome. And the rest of the minors. And the Braves. They’re not worthy of him.
July 7th, 200911:54 pm
You’ve all heard it enough by now, but again tonight, Vazquez showed his class. His postgame quote:
“We played great defense today, that’s the first thing I want to say,” said Vazquez, citing shortstop Yunel Escobar, center fielder Nate McLouth, second baseman Brooks Conrad, and his catcher, McCann.
“I was pumped up by the defensive plays,” he said. “We played good baseball.
Yeah, led by the starting pitcher. Vazquez allowed five singles and one run with six strikeouts and no walks against a team that had hit 16 homers while going 8-1 in its previous nine home games.
“There were so many good plays,” McCann said. “And Javy just pitched like he’s been pitching all year.”
Cox should care that they care, but not care what they think (ANDY A)
that’s pretty much what Epstein said over the winter about Boston and its fans. They love that the fans are so hyper, but ignore their thinking during the off season. I think that was how John S operated too, as should all good GMs.
July 7th, 200911:55 pm
The Rangers may be good trade partners…they have a lot of OF talent, especially with Hamilton back. Maybe a JV trade that nets Byrd and some high-ceiling prospects? Byrd is a very-above average defender and this year is hitting .287 .329 .475 .804 with 7HR and 27 doubles. The only knock on him is his home/away splits. .310 .360 .572 .932 at home and .254 .286 .347 .633 away. I doubt they would part Cruz, whom I would rather have.
halfway through the season and we have two starters that have made every start, both have sub 3.00 era’s, and both have losing records.
hard to believe.
no walks again from vazquez. two starts from vazquez against the cubs, one earned run.
Riiight…because HGH (a chemical that is produced by the body) really affects performance. HGH is taken to help someone heal or recover.
I was under the impression that he did not take HGH, but he was around people selling the substance illegally and was aware of the situation, which is a violation.
July 7th, 200911:56 pm
I have not seen Heywood.
Never heard of him.
The facts really aren’t clear. It’s a very gray area to say the least.
July 7th, 200911:58 pm
What about Vazquez and Kelly Johnson to the Reds for Brandon Phillips and a Reliever to be Named?
Heath (Cleveland) I’m almost certain Vazquez’s limited no-trade claus includes NL & AL West teams. I’m about sure I’ve rear that several times, if so that outs teams like Rangers, Angels & Dodgers, all of whom could cough up some quality talent in return.
one more time, VAZQUEZ has a no trade to the a.l. and n.l. west.
I’m not saying he did, but even if he did, it wouldn’t magically make him a baseball player.
With better run support, Vazquez could easily have 10 wins and be headed to the All-Star Game with McCann.
Alas, he’s got a sub-.500 record with a sub-3.00 ERA (2.95) and 136 strikeouts, second in the NL.
“It’s incredible,” McCann said of the won-lost record and lack of run support. “He’s so deserving of an All-Star bid. “Him and [Jair] Jurrjens both. Hopefully in the second half of the year, we can hit more for him.”
McCann said the Braves were joking earlier that one run should be enough for Vazquez, the way he’s been pitching.
July 7th, 200911:59 pm
That’s double the average. He can strike out all day with those numbers (STEVE)
some days he is Woblinng all over the place. He has gotta keep the average and OBP up. If he does I don’t care how often he Ks either, but previous to this season the Ks have kept those to below a level I am happy with.I agree that Ks are not the end of the world, but gicen a choice between 2 relatively players in all other areas, I’d prefer the fewer Ks.
Let’s hope so…and soon. I want to see this beast/god of a man.
July 8th, 200912:00 am
jason werth now has 18 homeruns. more then our 3 and 4 hole hitters combined.
Do you think the Braves would consider Brandon Phillips for Vazquez? See my 11:58PM post…
I just love the reaction. It had been a couple of days since someone posted a proposal to west coast teams… just had to do it. Funny stuff.
July 8th, 200912:01 am
Playing without Chipper Jones (strained groin), the Braves gained a game on Philadelphia and New York, which both lost. (And Florida is losing 3-0 at San Fran in the eighth as I type this)
“I think it’s going to be a dogfight till the end,” McCann said of race.
The Braves need to beat the Cubs again in this afternoon’s series finale to notch their first road series win since May 11-13 at New York. They’ve lost five and split one road series since then.
“We’ve got to do it,” Vazquez said. “If we want to stay in the hunt, we’ve got to win games and win series.”
July 8th, 200912:03 am
Vazquez is 3rd in the majors with a 2.55 FIP. Lincecum is 1 at 1.96, Greinke at 1.98, Verlander at 2.77, Haren at 2.78. And those are your top 5.
Speaking of great pitching performances, Barry Zito is putting up goose eggs in the eighth. He’s got it working.Fastball, cutter, curve, slider, command. Dude is on cruise control. Three hit shut out through eight at 101 pitches.
July 8th, 200912:05 am
Roman Gal, I just want to see how they manage to fit his name onto the back of his jersey. I’m about an hour from Danville & plan on driving down next week to catch a game.
A win tomorrow not only gives the Braves a series win, but it puts them at 7-3 in the “last ten games” record. If asked before the series finale with Boston, “would you take a 7-3 record over the next 10 games?, including this one?”, I think all Braves fans would have been quite happy with those prospects. Now, they still have to go out and make that happen tomorrow. But the opportunity is there.
July 8th, 200912:07 am
It felt like another game where the players (with a few exceptions) and the Management played to lose… Tomahawkin
man, you are pathologically stupid. I bet your mommy has to wipe the dribble off your chin and then the dribble off your butt too. I can only hope you don’t pass on your gene pool.
July 8th, 200912:08 am
HokieBravesfan went to the game last night and said that the whole name was on the back of the jersey. I’m really anxious to see him. When I see him, I’ll ask him if he has a nickname…and that if he doesn’t, I’ll call him Ri-Ri.
July 8th, 200912:09 am
Of course as soon as I say how much Mike Stanton is struggling, he goes and gets 3 hits against our M-Braves.
July 8th, 200912:10 am
how do u sa riann sponeybarger-frankfurters name? And is he from the US or places unknown?
July 8th, 200912:12 am
Which Brave’s intro music was ‘Save Yourself’ by Stabbing Westward?
July 8th, 200912:13 am
You know I will say this, IF, and that is a BIG IF, the Braves can solve 1b and rf with some right handed power and maybe speed and 1-2 middle relievers this team could be hell in the playoffs with JV,JJ and TH as the 3 starters. They could shut down a team 0-3 before they know what hit them.
July 8th, 200912:16 am
You are so behind…
Sorry…….that was your ANNOYING verizon vcast third inning music question.
July 8th, 200912:18 am
“We played great defense today, that’s the first thing I want to say,” said Vazquez, citing shortstop Yunel Escobar, center fielder Nate McLouth, second baseman Brooks Conrad, and his catcher, McCann.
I like Vazquez a lot. If FW wanted to give him an extension, I certainly wouldn’t be opposed…
July 8th, 200912:19 am
Its Obvious You haven’t watched the games all season…
Can You seriously tell me that this team looks like they are playoff caliber after getting slapped by the Nats and making a struggling cubs team look playoff caliber…?
I’m convinced that Javy Vazquez and let’s say a Peter Moyland to WASH for Adam Dunn will be enough (SUPES)
That is not gonna happen, so why talk so foolishly? Dunn is not the type player that Bobby or Frank are impressed by. Too low a BA and too crappy defense. They could have just signed the guy, but now they are gonna send two important pitchers for him and still pay the salary that they weren’t willing to take on in the first place? Where do y’all come up with some of these idiotic, unrealistic trades? and why bother to post such nonsense?
Yunel's Frosted Tips
Why are many of you people infatuated with trading Yunel Escobar, he is our best player and will only get better. Who cares if Cox don’t like him, Cox had his head up his ass on that call to send Diaz to bunt late in the game. We won inspite of yet another bonehead decision by the Donk.
Maybe the Braves can deal Kelly Johnson in some type of deal for a RF upgrade. Josh Willingham?
July 8th, 200912:20 am
We Won by 1 run dude…had we lost by run run your sorry carcas would be ripping this team as well…
So Why Don’t you “Sit On It…!’
July 8th, 200912:21 am
Giants shut out the Fish 3-0
July 8th, 200912:22 am
DOB, the Braves were lucky to win after your blog ate my post in which I predicted a series victory.
I thought it was going to cast a spell on them after Javy started struggling in the second inning.
Finally, a highlight!
I’ve been waiting for an hour to see the highlights of this game.
July 8th, 200912:23 am
Puts him (RSF) at .474/.508/.754
gee he doesn’t do a very good job of drawing walks does he? Likely not a keeper.
July 8th, 200912:24 am
Danville scored runs in every inning but one. Twenty-three runs. Yeesh…
Ya’ll call Slobby donkey, who are stubborn animals, but mules are much more stubborn from what I’ve heard. Believe me, I live in Tn so I hear all kinds of “redneck slangs”. Today my stepdad said his neighbor busted his nose and kept on walking and he called him “tough as a pig iron’… not iron but errrnnn!
Great job Baseball Tonight.
You wouldn’t have wanted to hold your breath for that highlight because then you would go without oxygen for fifteen seconds. And that would be bad.
July 8th, 200912:27 am
He walked twice tonight. Besides, he doesn’t need to walk…he can hit anything thrown within the general vicinity.
July 8th, 200912:28 am
I would like to see the Braves go 3-2 or 4-1 going into the All-Star break. 4-1 is probably a stretch…
July 8th, 200912:29 am
Romangal……..you don’t know him?………..He was the one that said ‘Hey…Mr. Ka. Terr’
I’m shocked that my Jeff going 4-4 prediction didn’t come true. That punk won’t even get a hit just to spite me.
July 8th, 200912:31 am
Phillies conclude their “first half” against the Pirates. They have yet to face them this year. The Pirates are hanging tough against a lot of clubs. No where near the laughing stock they have been in the past, even after this year’s trades.
Hopefully Francoeur heads back to the bench tomorrow.
July 8th, 200912:32 am
That just went way over my head.
July 8th, 200912:33 am
That punk won’t even get a hit just to spite me. RHR
He’ll wait for one of those 12-0 games to get his 4 hit game.
July 8th, 200912:34 am
So anyway…John Mayer did a pretty good job representing the white guy today. I’m just now watching all this stuff the rest of the world saw hours ago lol.
Francoeur should be playing at Gwinnett with Kelly Johnson.
Steve from OH
nolie–I absolutely agree.
I’m tired of espn and stupid people counting the braves out because they aren’t!
July 8th, 200912:35 am
lol you’re probably right, RG.
Alright I’m outta here, night blog. Mitchell, try xanax. Or Jack Daniels.
I like how you also added that smiley face in there…
July 8th, 200912:36 am
“Hopefully Francoeur heads back to the bench tomorrow.”
Hopefully, Scut, but probably not. We won today with him in after losing three with him not. Bobby will run him out there again tomorrow….
July 8th, 200912:37 am
I’VE GOT IT!!! Let’s trade KJ, Frenchy, JoJo, and prospects for a top outfield bat! I’m sure it will solve all of our problems, and we should expect to win every game from here out. Of course, if we don’t we should fire Cox, and strike his name from our history books. I have many other wonderful trade ideas that I’m sure will have Wren checking for my comments constantly. I know my stuff.
I presume McCann will be out of the lineup tomorrow since it is a day game…is Chipper going to be out tomorrow as well?
July 8th, 200912:40 am
I hope Mark Bradley doesn’t take back his commentary he wrote after the Phillies series.
We are still in this. I don’t care about the last three games and to be honest, I don’t care about tomorrow’s game even though I’m certain we will win.
Even if we do lose the series tomorrow, the worst thing that can happen is we end up 5 back. That’s not the end of the world.
It wouldn’t hurt if we kept a little perspective here. You could argue that with our now defunct three game losing streak that we completely wasted the momentum we built up sweeping the Phils.
But what if we hadn’t swept the Phils? What if we had been swept? It would be over.
We took a big step back but we may look upon it weeks from now as the series that saved the season.
If it comes down to beating the Phils, the Braves have shown they can do it.
It’s one thing to lose faith but perspective is needed at this point. We are still in it.
… say it with me…
owl hunter: um no you dont got it that would be extremely dumb your talking possibly 4 guys for one good bat no sir! I wish yall would recall we gave up elvis amazing awesome and spectacular andrus in that stupid Mark stupid Texieria deal Andrus is on Sportscenters top 10 plays almost every night and he is being considered for al rookie of the year! Owl hunter try a different thinking cap on and keep thinking!
July 8th, 200912:44 am
If Chipper and McCann are both out of the lineup, we might see a line-up like this:
2. Prado, 3B
8. Conrad, 2B
With Chipper, maybe something like this:
Darn, some people have NO understanding of trades or contracts or a “fit” for both teams.
Adam Dunn is the perfect player for Bobby Cox. He is the wait and hit the 3-run HR type guy. It’s Bobby “ball” as people like to say here on the blog.
The Nats need SP, actually just PITCHING in general. Yeah they aren’t doing crap this year (except beating us), but next year, with the top rated pitching prospect coming on (if he signs), and lets say Javy Vazquez, plus Olson…they start to slowly build SP rotation depth. It’s how you compete over the long haul in a baseball season. SP carries you.
They have a surplus of OF-ers. They know they ONLY have Dunn for 1 more year, and after that he’ll bolt for more money and a winning team.
Javy and Adam make similar salaries, so the finances workout.
The trade fits Javy’s limited no trade clause, and it returns him to his “original franchise”, the Expos.
Once again it makes perfect sense for both teams.
Nats need SP. Braves need Offense, ANY offense out or RF as Jeff isn’t doing much of anything, and Matty Diaz is not the long term answer.
Just damn people…you wanna get something in return without giving up something equal in value.
Trading a solid work horse SP who is having a great year for a legit 40HR power hitter with an above ave. OPS is about as fair as it gets.
July 8th, 200912:45 am
Roman Gal…….Welcome Back Kotter …..’Dewayne heyward’…..(I think…..been a long time)
RHR…..did you see my reply to you last night?…..it was late and I went ‘man down’ soon after.
July 8th, 200912:47 am
Oh snap! My sarcasm key broke. My bad.
July 8th, 200912:50 am
The Nationals are probably not going to compete next year either. That said, they probably would not make a trade for basically a 1-yr rental in Javier Vazquez. They would probably look for someone that costs less and over which they have far more long-term control.
July 8th, 200912:51 am
You forgot the GCL, They won both of their games today and pitched a combined no-hitter in game two! Not much hitting waise though
July 8th, 200912:52 am
owl hunter i seriously doubt you were joking btut i will give you the benefit of the doubt. im just tired of fools saying we need to trade away prospects sorry
The Braves would be better off keeping Javy for the rest of this season if they’re going to try to make a playoff push. Makes no sense to trade away your best pitcher when you’re trying to make a run. Dunn would certainly give the offense a boost, but I wouldn’t add him at the expense of Javy. Granted, that’s about the only way the Braves could fit a salary like Dunn’s into the payroll but that doesn’t make it a smart move for the Braves.
I could see trading Javy if we fall out of the race or possibly during the offseason, but I don’t see how it makes a bit of sense to move him if we’re trying to win now.
I would say that a guy like Adam Dunn would be a good fit for the Braves though. Not just because the guy have un-matched natural power and because the guy is an on base machine, but because he would be under control for this and next year, but not beyond, so he would not block any of the young talent. At his price, he really is a bargain.
July 8th, 200912:55 am
I like how you also added that smiley face in there…(RG)
pure self defense on my part . I figgered that if you didn’t think I was kidding, you might look me up while you are down here in Fla and do me some permanent bodily damage.
July 8th, 200912:57 am
I really was kidding, dude. I was making a satirical play on the nonsensical trade scenarios and reactionary Bobby bashing that infests this blog each day. I’m tired of seeing these video game trades where people think that other teams will gladly hand over their stars for our injured/ineffective leftovers. We could be adressing real things that really happen, but I guess those posts are a dying breed.
July 8th, 20091:00 am
If our Braves had any interest in Adam Dunn they would have signed the guy in the off season.
July 8th, 20091:04 am
RF was probably not considered an issue, the Braves were probably counting on JF to perform better than he is now. I would say that how they felt about RF is quite a bit different than they feel now. So, I would not brush off Adam Dunn so easily. However, that does not mean that he is at the top of the list, especially since I think that the $20M contract for Dunn is divided up so that he makes $8M this year and $12M next year.
July 8th, 20091:06 am
I think a playoff caliber team would want/need Vasquez more than the lowly Nationals. Heath is right, he doesnt fit into their plans.
That said, and with what Rizzo said, Dunn aint comin here.
July 8th, 20091:08 am
OK….my beer count has reached the Phillies run total fro
last night…..the intro music answer is…………Tom Glavine. God bless us everyone…..but God, bless the Braves twice……They need it bad!!!
July 8th, 20091:10 am
Dunn aint comin here. (Mitchie-san)
you are absolutely right, he ain’t.
July 8th, 20091:12 am
Dunn can’t play right field.
A team like the Brewers do fit the bill more than the Nationals as a good fit for JV, even if the Brewers GM didn’t like what Braun said. The Brewers have scored more runs than the other three NL Central contenders, but they have also given up more runs than the other three too (STL, CHC, CIN). Chicago, as poorly as they have played as a whole in the first half, really do have a good pitching staff and could very well put up some long winning streaks in the second half…if Bradley, Lee and Ramirez put up career average type of numbers in the second half and they continue to pitch like they have in the first half, the Brewers will be looking up at the Cubs. So, a Brewers/Braves trade with Javy going to the Brewers is not outrageous at all. The Braves could seriously consider irregardless of being buyers or sellers if for no other reason that because this guy’s value is at its ALL TIME highest right now.
July 8th, 20091:14 am
For that matter, Dunn can’t play LF either
July 8th, 20091:18 am
“Concerns about the Confederate flag have led the Atlantic Coast Conference to move three future baseball tournaments out of South Carolina due to NAACP protests”
Welcome to the NAACP. We stick up for ALL colored people. Unless of course your mexican, asian, or indian!
Our policies might be stuck in the 50’s, and we dont believe “coloreds” are capable of being “racist”, but hey please give us money so our great leader Jessy Jackson can afford gas for his limo.
Oyea…. we wont be happy until MLB is AT LEAST 50% Black! Nevermind that blacks only make up 10% of the population!
Also, please support disadvantaged coloreds like Lasting Millidge when they rap about slapping hos, spreading fatherless kids, and living the tough life. Theve had it really rough staying in 1st class hotels and riding in limos. Again, we are the NAACP, and if you dont agree with us, you must be a RACIST!
July 8th, 20091:21 am
My barber says they are gonna fire Wren, move Bobby back up to GM and bring in another manager. All that and a haircut too, and he comes to my house to cut it. Am I lucky, or what?
July 8th, 20091:23 am
If you ask me, I’m almost 100 percent sure where Adam Dunn will be playing in 2011.
David Ortiz’s overall numbers have been in steep decline since 2006. His and Dunn’s contract’s are up after 2010.
I wanted to drop a quick note, before I go to bed. Habe a busy day tomorrow. Watched the game toninight, and waht can you say? JV, JV, man he is the real deal. He is our ace. Great game. Yunel is NOT going ANYWHERE. Have you all noticed the defense the past couple of days. Impressive to say the least. McCann, is he heating up? Looked good tonight. I could not find one thing wrong with the game tonight, Except a lack of offense. But other than that, it was a good game and a great win.
July 8th, 20091:28 am
The only real issue with a Braves/Brewers trade is do the Braves really want to replace JF with Corey Hart? Corey is young (27) and is having a bit of a down year (.256 .325 .424 .750) when compared to his career averages (.272 .322 .474 .796). I doubt that Cameron would be in the discussion since, if JF is also shipped to Milwaukee, the Brewers are left without a CFer. This, of course, also leaves out the discussion that the Brewers will include prospects that the Braves actually want. If the Braves become out-right sellers, then, maybe they make a deal like this. If they are still considering themselves buyers, Hart over JF doesn’t really warrant the move for “this year”.
July 8th, 20091:30 am
Heath (Cleveland), I agree and to add… no deals regarding JV. We have to have him. We need him. He is pitching Cy Young this year. He is our best pitcher.
July 8th, 20091:34 am
Braves could look to get McGehee to play 2B and try Prado out in the outfield….dude is raking in his first full year: .341 .392 .558 .950 with 6HR and 10 2B in just 48 games…Might be better than getting an OF from the Brewers.
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