3:47 pm July 7, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 7th, 200910:56 pm
I’ll pick this battle – I say it is absolutely Cox’s fault for asking a guy to bunt who he doesnt have properly prepared to execute the play
Why yes indeedy -
Go a long way toward what, Heath?
July 7th, 200910:57 pm
Has Coach performed his wet blanket duties yet?
i hate cubs funs…
what a game by vasquez. I hope we don’t give him up anytime soon. Good game from McCann too; hopefully we can start scoring some more runs and be .500 by the all-star break
July 7th, 200910:58 pm
Yup, and I guess since it did work, I’ll try it again tomorrow. Whatever works.
July 7th, 200910:59 pm
Sorry, Cubs fans. No “W” flag tonight.
The heck with it – enjoy the win, lord knows their have been few enough of them this year
We;re good enough to be near .500 and hanging around even with the hee-hawing anchor tied around our necks – maybe we’ll get lucky and Bobby Ojeda will take Cox boating over the All-Star break
You like that tease Chop Chop? Kinda like the Braves when they win, huh?
i mean i am so frustrated by the decision to have diaz bunt, but seriously how can diaz not be able to bunt, yes, he shouldn’t be bunting, but if he is asked to shouldnt he be able to?
Coach (Moon Pie, Anyone)
July 7th, 200911:00 pm
Tonight was all pitching and defense. As in lights out and airtight. If only we could do this all season
One positive thing to come from this near-loss tonight: Brooks Conrad knows how to play the game. This guy’s a keeper. Imagine where we would be if he had been called up a month or two ago, but instead Cox kept running Kelly the Klueless out there every night.
Ah…I love that guy.
Yeah, that was funny!
July 7th, 200911:01 pm
“Its Coxs fault that a professional baseball player messes up laying down a bunt?”
Yeah. If the guy has little to no history of doing it. Why would you do that? I agree that it is something that guys should be able to do when called upon.
But for a guy that goes by the “book” as much as he does with the righty/lefty stuff, you would think he would look at the history of a player and know whether he can count on them for a bunt or not.
That all being said, tonight was a good showing by the defense and the pitching.
Vazquez is having a very nice season indeed. Thank goodness he didn’t hurt his trade value.
I sure would like to find a place to put Brooksie in there a little more.
Black Like Me
July 7th, 200911:02 pm
I have seen Schafer and McLouth and I say that their advertising is over rated. I have not seen Heywood. Murphy. Gant,Justice, Nixon, Sanders, Dye, Lofton,Sheffield,Jordan, Butler, Jones, Baker, Aaron and Grissom were the best. If your guys are half as good then maybe the Braves can finish third in 2010.
KK vs. guy making his first start, Kevin Hart
How the Braves would normally play this game: KK throws a lot of pitches, lasts 6 innings and takes the loss. Offense makes Hart look “Cy Like”
How it should go: KK rebounds, pitches 7 gives up 1-2. Offense has the pitcher out of the game by the 5th (or the end of the 5th)
Brooks Conrad is better at second than Prado. Your ballroom days are over, Prado. Conrad’s time is drawing near.
After what happened after the sweep of the Phillies I’m not goning to be as quick to jump the gun as to say this team plays playoff caliber baseball…The Starting pitching kicks Butt but the rest of the team, well ya know…
But to some it up unless I start seeing this team play well executed baseball on all sides I not gonaa get stiffies thinking that this team can make the playoffs when they win 3 games in a row and proceed to look like minor leaguers against teams like the nats…I can’t afford to waste them….
July 7th, 200911:03 pm
And yes, that was a joke of a post, but I’ll be damned if some here aren’t going to believe that.
Steve from OH
July 7th, 200911:04 pm
For a guy that complains about not having enough black players, you should at least know how to spell HEYWARD correctly.
Are the Cubs using a relief pitcher to start tomorrow’s game?
Last appearance; 2IP, 0ER
Befre that; 1IP, 1ER
4G, 0 Starts, 5.2 innings pitched.
Is this right?
braves fan lmh
Hopefully KK can pitch like he did against boston, and new york (prior to the line drive off the neck). Lets go Braves!!
Jman (Release Frenchy NOW!)
The better Conrad performs, and the sooner Infante is back… the quicker this team becomes Kelly/Francoeur-less… Mark it down!
Does anyone else think that Brian Jordan is awful in the studio? Ron Gant is 10 times better.
July 7th, 200911:05 pm
N8, you are correct. Javier Vazquez trade value is through the damn roof. Which is why Frank Wren will unload him and soon.
July 7th, 200911:06 pm
1-0 Giants, top of the 5th.
You are happy with how the team played tonight against a cubs team whose offense has been just as bad as ours…?
Agreed The Pitching and defense Clowned tonight but it was the same braves offense that stranded runners left and right because the fail to execute…
We can’t play like this against good teams…
“He is a Big League hitter. He should be able to get a bunt down.” Jim
I agree with you. But he can’t. He hasn’t in the past (remember him failing a few other times as well), and shouldn’t have been asked to do it with Blanco on the bench.
Guys that can’t bunt annoy me. But not as much as managers that ask guys that can’t do it…. to do it.
I mean, why not ask Chipper to play 1B mid-season? He’s a big leaguer with a glove, right? Why can’t he play 1B?
It’s not as silly of a comparison as you’re going to say it is. When not asked to do something on a regular basis, you should not be expected to succeed at it when you ARE asked.
It’s a moot point, because of the win. But mind-boggling none the less.
As much as Vazquez would bring I just dont think you can trade him right now… I was a major proponent a week ago, but this guy is a sure win with run support.
July 7th, 200911:07 pm
Which is why Frank Wren will unload him and soon.
Why on earth would he do that when all published reports say we most likely won’t get full value for him? That’s not very responsible GMing.
Brad Lidge gave up the winning run in Philly and Cordero nailed down the save. 4 back.
Well, gotta go watch the Marlins/Giants game. I’ll try to keep up with the blog. Phillies and Mets lost tonight.
July 7th, 200911:08 pm
Marlins down 1-0. Mets already lost.
Steve, only you would believe your own idiocy
The Braves get a good win, the MUTS are blown out, and the Phillies callapse and blow a 3 run lead
So if the Braves win tommorrow and the Phillies lose, will everyone back of the ledge and put the razor blades down????
July 7th, 200911:09 pm
Brooks Conrad isn’t an every day major leaguer or an answer to our offensive problems
tomahawkin, i totally agree it is unfortunate, but even before/after those phillies wins i was really waiting to see what they did against the nats, until they can put away bad teams consistiently it is hard to imagine things finishing well this year or next
I like this Brooks Conrad….a scrappy second baseman with a little pop and good d-fense…..remind anyone of LEMKE?
July 7th, 200911:10 pm
Brian Jordan took too many helmets to the mouth…
July 7th, 200911:12 pm
o would like the guy who evaluated conrad to give us his top prospect list maybe we have a few more career minor leaguers down there im hoping lol
jeffrey d -
I don’t think anyone here “really” believes that Conrad is ready to be the every day 2B. Martin Prado is already proving to be that guy. But the guy is a good guy to put there when Prado is shifting over to 3B for a game or two here and there. Now, when Infante is back on the club, he may be used primarily as a pinch-hitter because Infante would fill in at 3B and Prado can stay at 2B.
July 7th, 200911:13 pm
Conrad is not the total answer but if he played 2nd more often, Prado could play first and then pick up one outfield bat in trade
It would be nice to have a couple guys in the lineup who really work the count and make a pitcher work like Conrad and Prado if you had another big bopper to knock them in
Co-Sign! The Braves Are the Only team that make the AAA nats resemble a .500 team…The team got high on the hog and expected the Nats to lay down to them once again…Therefore they got complacent and got their (exepletive) handed to them…
July 7th, 200911:14 pm
Just imagine what this Team would do if they had a manager?It’s like a riderless horse,they might win inspite of Bobby.Wren,wake up,please………
July 7th, 200911:16 pm
The ONLY 2 Braves slugging over .500 for the team…bat 1st and 2nd in the line-up….that’s a little funny.
July 7th, 200911:17 pm
Good win. Vazquez is a beast on the mound this season. Even through he was lights out the Braves were lucky in a sense to win the game.
The top of the 9th was a prime example of how not to manage. I’m not usually on Cox’s case, but that was unreal to have Diaz up there & asked to bunt. Yes he may be a major league player, but he simple can’t bunt. If Cox expects guys like Diaz to bunt then maybe have them spend some extended time doing so during BP.
Either use a pitcher or Blanco, either would have been much better choices than to waste Diaz trying to bunt. Even if he did manage to get the bunt down you still wasted a player for no reason. Blanco could have been used in a double switch with Loaf & the pitcher thus not wasting a player. It was a 2-1 game, easily could have went extras so why waste a very good bat off the bench by making him bunt when he can’t in the first place.
Sorry for the rant, but Cox messed that up big time. No excuses.
Giants just went up 3-0. Uribe hit a missile into the LF seats, thanks to some small ball.
If Brooks Conrad continues to play like he has so far this short stretch, it could spell the end for Greg Norton and Kelly Johnson.
Steve from OH,
I thought Murphy and Butler were black guys. I guess that they were passing. HEH! HEH! HEH! Sleep tight my friend.
Didn’t you see that highlight last week or so where the jockey was thrown off the horse, yet the horse finished double-digit lengths in front of everyone else? The Braves can do it too. LOL…Unfortunately, the horse was disqualified, should mention that.
July 7th, 200911:19 pm
I really like Vazquez- another solid performance. No way we should trade him. He’s a keeper.
Not even Cox apologists will argue you tonight my friend…or wait, the Braves won so maybe they will.
If you didn’t know better you’d think just by listening to him talk and his look that Vazquez is a mean MF’er.
July 7th, 200911:20 pm
I don’t think anyone here “really” believes that Conrad is ready to be the every day 2B
Looks like Hal does. But I see what you’re saying. He’s good defensively (I’m told) and has some pop, but can’t hit for contact at all.
July 7th, 200911:21 pm
N8, Slobby is a mind boggling species and has been for years. I’m sure you know that but just throwin it out there.
July 7th, 200911:23 pm
Glad Javy got a much deserved win tonight- run support or no…he’s been brilliant his last several times out
That should say hit for average
Somebody had to throw in a Escoabr question to Slobby…could it have been O’Brien?
July 7th, 200911:24 pm
“As much as Vazquez would bring I just dont think you can trade him right now… I was a major proponent a week ago, but this guy is a sure win with run support.”
Am I missing something here? Where is that run support going to come from? The only way this pitching staff is going to get some run support, is if they make themselves a batch of Ex-Lax brownies.
July 7th, 200911:25 pm
I am a big Braves fan — and major “Cubbie” hater — up here in Chicagoland, and would love to go around and remove the stupid “W” flags that some morons have outside their homes.
Great pitching by Vazquez. He was a bum with the White Sox and I thought he’d be a bum with the Braves, but so far he’s been very good. However, if the Braves are fighting for a playoff spot late in the season, where the pressure is turned up, I won’t be surprised to see Vazquez wilt like a weed in the middle of an August drought.
We were lucky to win with FRANCOUER in the line-up. And DIAZ into the game just to bunt? Oh, my. Who made THAT decision?
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 7th, 200911:26 pm
July 7th, 2009
Somebody had to throw in a Escoabr question to Slobby…could it have been O’Brien?
What was the question and what did Cox say
July 7th, 200911:27 pm
Nothing matters but the weekend from a Tuesday point of view…switchin’ to glide!!!
July 7th, 200911:28 pm
By the way, those slugging numbers were only actual at-bats while in a Braves uniform, and do not include tonights game.
In 25 games, McLouth has hit: .292 .345 .500 .845
In 57 games, Prado has hit: .319 .380 .509 .889
No other player is above the .500 mark in slugging. Though McCann in close at .491.
July 7th, 200911:29 pm
And that’s not much run support. Definitely the better of the three new trade arms in the starting rotation, at least so far this half season.
Look folks ADAM DUNN< IS NOT GETTING TRADED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Godssakes stop! No way Dunn comes here!
Just wondering with Infante coming back, would you all consider a trade of Escobar for Choo from Cleveland straight up?
Matt Holliday won’t be comin here either!!!
July 7th, 200911:30 pm
Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but WOW. Tonight at Rome Zeke Spruill pitched 8 innings allowing 3 hits and no walks while striking out TEN(!). He lowers his season ERA to 3.02. Of course, he left after 8 with the score 0-0 and the bullpen coughed up a run in the bottom of the 9th so he didn’t get a win (hey, it’s the Braves, they prepare them for reality). But what a performance. He’s about earned a promotion to Myrtle Beach.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
Maybe what the Braves need to do is…..put up a cardboard cutout of someone (can’t think of who that person might be) in the locker room like the Indians did in Major League and everytime they win one….the tear off a piece.
McLouth of the South
July 7th, 200911:31 pm
Phone call that should happen tonight:
” Hello, Bob? Is this Bob Melvin? Good- Wren here. Listen, don’t have much time cause Jocketty’s calling on the other line. Yeah, kids are fine. Look, did you see Vasquez tonight? Tell you what, you send over Cameron, Gamel, and Parra and he’s yours. Oh yeah, you gotta take Francoeur too. No, you eat the salary. Wha? Jeez now HENDRY’S calling too. So whaddaya say?”
The ONLY DEAL I AM MAKIN IF I AM WREN, is with San Diego!
for Adrian Gonzalez!
And that ain’t happening.
THEY* tear off a piece
July 7th, 200911:32 pm
Oops its Doug Melvin. Past my bedtime…
July 7th, 200911:33 pm
LOL funny, “…they prepare them for reality.”
July 7th, 200911:34 pm
Rohrbough got roughed up again. Kimbrel pitched a scoreless inning with 2 K’s. Maybe he’s not afraid of high-A anymore.
Choo is 26, so he is not old. However, do the Braves really want ANOTHER left-hander in the lineup? He has, a you might imagine for most lefties, a dramatic difference in performance against lefties and righties.
.241 .358 .425 .783 vs lefties
.325 .426 .507 .933 vs righties
July 7th, 200911:35 pm
With every outing Vazqeuez’s trade value is increasing. Is any GM going to blow Wren away with an offer? If so don’t think he won’t take it.
The Braves can’t score any runs & until they do it really doesn’t matter who is on the mound. What is the team record when Vazquez starts? It’s sub .500 I’m sure.
Nope, short of a miracle, we won’t be adding another bat. The payroll is tapped out.
July 7th, 200911:36 pm
I wonder if Mr. O’Brien will ask Mr. Cox his reasoning for putting in Matt Diaz for the specific purpose of bunting in the top of the 9th? Perhaps it was only me, but Diaz assumed the bunting stance about 5 seconds before the the pitcher delivered a pitch, looked most uncomfortable executing a bunt, and even as a free swinger who’ll chase just about anything I’d say his odds of success were even greater letting him swing away.
I think a bunt was called for in this situation but surely a manager must/should know by July who on his team is most capable of executing a bunt in a key moment of a game, correct?
Reyes 2 perfect innings with 2 K’s for Gwinnett. KJ went 0-3.
July 7th, 200911:37 pm
To reply to your post about Smoltz….
Yeah, because he’s had EXPERIENCE in the postseason.
Experience does help. How do ya think the Braves did with winning 14 straight division titles….because they kept having expeience in winning every year…which built up their confidence from the first (91) to the last (05) and they knew they could win.
Just saw this catchy headline on Yahoo! Sports
White Sox GM unsure of Colon’s location
Well who is?
July 7th, 200911:38 pm
I really don’t get the people that want to trade Escobar but want to keep Vazquez. It makes zero sense to me.
Coach, I think you mean short of a Vazquez trade…
Braves are 8-10 when Vazquez starts. There you go……Mirror image of their season.
that’s some fantasy baseball dealings there.
First, Adam Dunn being traded to ATL is far more realistic than that “mega package” you’ve put out for Adrian Gonzalez. SD has a large mexican population. Adrian is the best position player on the Padres. No reason to trade him ever, at all.
Second, it won’t take nearly the package to get Dunn over to ATL.
I’m convinced that Javy Vazquez and let’s say a Peter Moyland to WASH for Adam Dunn will be enough. Both players have similar salaries, therefore the money will be a wash. Javy gets to stay out east, and go back to the organization he started his career with (Expos). Braves get their HR slugger under contract for 2010 as well for 10 million. Braves also can release or bench Jeff at that point. Solves 2 problems with one move.
I agree that with Javy’s trade value at it’s all time high, the need for SP out there, and the good progress on Tim Hudson (everything looking right on schedule for him to come back at some point in August).
Baseball tonight said the Phillies will make a big push for Roy Halladay, well if they don’t get him…I still like your idea to “dance with the enemy” and trade Javy and Gonzo to Philly and ravage their farm system for their top SS prospect, OF prospect and a top tier pitching prospect.
As much as I’d hate to have to see Javy and Gonzo in those ugly Phillies jerseys…it would be a great trade as far as rebuilding and aiming for 2011.
July 7th, 200911:39 pm
McLouth of the South -
I would rather have Cameron over Hart too. Although, I doubt the Cubs would be calling. Make a minor adjustment by removing the Hendry comment and you got a winner. Can you imagine Cameron AND McLouth in the OF? Good defensive range out there. Cameron has HR power, although his below-average BA keeps his value down.
Can any of the JV traders propose a realistic trade that will actually be worth doing? It is true that JV’s trade value is through the roof, but which team is going to pay even close to that value?
July 7th, 200911:40 pm
Anybody else glad Joebrave isn’t Frank Wren?
Cameron is a FA after the season.
Also, with the payroll tapped out, why would the Braves sign up a player, Chipper Jones, for FOUR more years at age 37 when he sits out with more “twinges” of this or that than perhaps any other player in baseball? I would have saved that money and locked up all of these pitchers–Soriano AND Gonzalez–and use whatever I had left to find and field more Prado’s, McClouth’s, Conrad’s or just about anyone we can reply on to show up every night to play.
Thanks Coach, I thought they were under .500 in his starts.
The guy could easily have 12-13 wins right now, that’s how dominant he’s been this season.
July 7th, 200911:42 pm
I think we should just start a petition for the Queen to create him Lord Bloemfontein. Steve from OH
Geez, Steve…I don’t do well with consecutive vowels.
This just in…Jeff FRANCINE still SUCKS!
Clueless at the plate, can’t drive the ball 99% of the time, no plate discipline or plan each AB, no approach, just “hack and slash” method.
I’d rather go down fighting with Matt Diaz in RF than Jeff FRANCINE.
July 7th, 200911:43 pm
I shudder at the thought of even considering that possibility:) Don’t let him anywhere NEAR Frank Wren:)
a comparison just for fun
1991 Atlanta Braves
Pos Player Avg HR RBI SB
C Gregg Olson 0.241 6 44 1
1B Sid Bream 0.253 11 45 0
2B Jeff Treadaway 0.320 3 32 2
3B Terry Pendleton 0.319 20 36 3
SS Rafael Belliard 0.249 0 27 10
LF Lonnie Smith 0.275 7 44 9
CF Ron Gant 0.271 32 105 34
RF Dave Justice 0.275 21 87 8
Util Jeff Blauser 0.259 11 54 5
Util Otis Nixon 0.297 0 72
Util Brian Hunter 0.251 12 50 0
Totals 0.274 123 524 144
Pitcher W-L K’s ERA IP
SP Tom Glavine 20-11 192 2.55 246.2
SP John Smoltz 14-13 148 3.80 229.2
SP Charlie Leibrant 15-13 128 3.49 229.2
SP Steve Avery 18-8 137 3.38 210.1
SP Pete Smith 1~3 29 5.06 48
Totals 68-48 634 962.7
July 7th, 200911:44 pm
Slugfest tonight in Danville. Beat Pulaski 23-7. Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg went 3-5 with a double and 2 walks. Puts him at .474/.508/.754. Unbelievable start to his professional career. Derek Wiley gets his 2nd and 3rd hits of the season going 2-6 with 2 HR and is officially on the map. Mycal Jones goes 3-4 with a walk and a homer. Cory Harrilchak goes 5-7, all singles. Robert Hefflinger goes 2-5 with a double, a homer, and two walks and is now hitting .297/.361/.594. The Danville club hit 12 singles, 5 doubles, 5 HR, and drew 7 walks. Every one of Pulaski’s pitchers gave up between 3 and 7 runs. They used 5 pitchers.
Vazquez definitely has more value for other clubs than the Braves. He is BY FAR the pitcher with the most trade value. Perhaps removing Francoeur and KJ and replacing them with Prado and, say Cameron from the Brewers, adds 1 run per game to the Braves offense. If so, the other FOUR pitchers can start winning some games too. If you plan on contending this year, you are depending on Reyes/Hudson to perform well in Javy’s stead. Won’t perform as well, I’d say, but at least perform well enough to let the improved offense win some games for a change.
July 7th, 200911:45 pm
2009 Atlanta Braves (Projected)
Player Avg HR RBI SB
Brian McCann 0.303 16 66 6
Casey Kotchman 0.272 6 60 0
Martin Prado 0.319 8 30 1
Chipper Jones 0.292 18 80 2
Yunel Escobar 0.297 14 86 6
Garrett Anderson 0.279 10 60 2
Nate McClouth 0.270 28 98 20
Jeff Francouer 0.247 10 66 10
Matt Diaz 0.311 8 44 8
Kelley Johnson 0.214 5 20 4
David Ross 0.279 12 30 0
Totals 0.280 135 640 59
Pitcher W-L K’s ERA IP
Derek Lowe 14-14 112 4.56 212.4
Jair Jurjens 15-12 150 2.91 216.2
Javier Vazquez 14-10 260 3.05 224.0
Kenshin Kawakami 9~12 132 4.46 164.4
Tommy Hanson 13-4 79 2.25 118.4
Rafael Soriano 2~2 100 1.63 79.2
Totals 65-56 833 1014.6
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