Awaiting the All-Stars, Frenchy sits again

(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien today.)

 

   Washington – OK, denizens, while we wait on the upcoming All-Star announcements and the start of the game, let me bang out a quick blog before I head downstairs and put you guys out of your misery. Last I checked there were 36 pages of posts and counting, which might have been why I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn’t go back to sleep, worried that I’d left you guys hanging.

   Last of the series today in DC, and frankly, I know it’s “just the Nationals,” but I see today as a big game. They win this one, beat Scott Olsen, take the series two out of three, then they can say they’re still rolling. They will have won six out of seven. OK, they got beat by the Nationals’ staff ace John Lannan Saturday, caught Mike Gonzalez a little worn down thanks to a stretch where he’s been used a lot because of all the winning, and still head to Chicago feeling good.

   They lose today, and it’s here we go again, can’t beat the teams they should beat, even when coming off a series sweep over the Phillies and having all the reason in the world to feel good about themselves.

   You have to figure today’s match-up favors the Braves with Derek Lowe going, but he went through an iffy stretch before righting things last time out. He is 5-2 with a 2.97 ERA in 14 career games against the Nationals, including eight starts. He’s 0-1 this year against them with a 4.00 ERA in two starts.

   The Braves came one hit shy of double-digits hits for the fifth consecutive game yesterday. The offense was limited to three runs yesterday, but with Brian McCann back in there today, the lineup could easily get rolling again.

ACE WHO?

   Speaking of Lowe, I got to thinking last night about this Braves starting rotation, and who is the ace. It seems to change week-to-week around here. In my eyes, to start the season, you had to figure Lowe was the ace. The horse with the $60 million contract, who pitched eight shutout innings against the Phillies to kick off the season. He’s leading the staff with 12 quality starts….

   Then Jair Jurrjens emerged as the one even Lowe called the ace of the staff. Pitching like the most consistent guy in the rotation, Jurrjens has given up more than three earned runs in a start only twice all season.  His 2.73 ERA is fifth in the National League, and if it weren’t for his lack of run support and a 6-6 record he’d be a great bet for the All-Star game.

   (And this little aside. I was thinking, watching Jurrjens motion the other day, the way his takes his glove up over his head, keeps everything nice and smooth headed to toward the plate, that his motion looks a little like Greg Maddux. Take a few pounds off him, and I can almost see it. Am I crazy?)

   Then came the month of June and Javier Vazquez. He put up the 1.98 ERA, struck out 39 in 36 1/3 innings and was the Braves hottest pitchers, unless you took run support into account. He went only 1-3 and was not among the contenders for pitcher of the month.

   Then, of course, you had Tommy Hanson busting onto the scene, winning four of his first five major league starts, beating the Yankees, the Red Sox and then pitching maybe his best game of all yesterday against the Nationals before the bullpen blew his 3-1 lead.

   So who is the ace? You tell me.

 FRANCOEUR SITS AGAIN

   And in the meantime, I’ll tell you the Braves just posted the lineup and Jeff Francoeur is out again. I don’t know that it’s a trend yet, just a matter of how incredibly hot Matt Diaz is right now, but that’s something to watch. OK, the lineup:

 

1.   Nate McLouth CF

2.   Martin Prado 2B

3.   Chipper Jones 3B

4.   Brian McCann C

5.   Yunel Escobar SS

6.   Garret Anderson LF

7.   Matt Diaz RF

8.   Casey Kotchman 1B

9.   Derek Lowe P

 YOUNG DUNN:

   An interesting tidbit about Adam Dunn and the 300th homer he hit yesterday off Hanson. Dunn is only the 13th player to reach the 300 club before his 30th birthday. The others? A couple of heavy hitters….and some Bravos:

   Alex Rodriguez, Jimmy Foxx, Ken Griffey Jr., Andruw Jones, Albert Pujols, Mel Ott, Eddie Mathews, Mickey Mantle, Juan Gonzalez, Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, and Harmon Killebrew.

   FYI, matchups for the Cubs series: Jurrjens vs. Randy Wells Monday, Vazquez vs. Ryan Dempster Tuesday and Kawakami vs. Carlos Zambrano on Wednesday. OK headed for the clubhouse. More in a while.

2,244 comments Add your comment

RHR

July 5th, 2009
11:03 am

Thanks, Carroll.

Go Braves!

Black Like Me

July 5th, 2009
11:05 am

I brought this over from the old Blog. I am interested in the Yunel Escobar trade. I see that the Braves have not traded Yunel yet. Its best for both sides that they do. Has anyone heard anything? Since Adam Dunn launched two moon shots over the past two days, I would think that the Braves would have cut a deal while in DC. Stan Kasten must be licking his chops at getting Yunel with his paltry $400,000 salary over the next year and a half. How about a straight up trade with the Red Sox for Ellsbury? In either case, the Braves would be getting another franchise face. The other teams would be getting a franchise player.

buzzmeat

July 5th, 2009
11:06 am

Ive always liked Adam Dunn. His defense cant be much worse than GA in LF.

Mike S

July 5th, 2009
11:06 am

Let’s get another win streak going fellas!

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:06 am

CR- I was watching the Nats telecast yesterday and they kept showing the fan that caught Dunn’s 300th. Any idea what he got, if for the ball? anything, in exchange

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:07 am

what he got, if anything. My laptop screws up when i type too fast.

buzzmeat

July 5th, 2009
11:07 am

Black like me,

I dont think Dunn is getting moved this year, they JUST signed him. As for Ellsbury. I would take that trade if we threw in Francouer (yes, him gone is the only reason i would want Ellsbury)

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:08 am

Carrol, I don’t think that there is a true Ace. If I had to choose, it would be JJ. He has been the most consistent, but he doesn’t seem to have the “Ace Stuff”, Whatever that means. I know that Hanson will be the staff Ace as soon as next year. Hanson is a once in a generation player. Thar is remarkable considering Generational Pitchers are harder to come by than hitters. Nothing against Lowe or KK, but I would take Hanson anyday over them right now in his rookie season.

It is good to see Francouer out of the line up. Hopefully before to long he will be off of the team. There has been a lot of talk lately about Yunel and his attitude. I think Francouer’s is by far worse. His attitude is more dangerous to the team. Yunel can be classified as being immature and needing to grow up, but Yunel wants to win. You can’t deny that with the way he plays and comes up BIG in big time situations. Francouer on the other hand disapears in those same situations. Also, the quote he made that will be his downfall: I don’t care about OBP, it’s not a stat put up on the scoreboard. Or something to that effect. That tells me that he is self centered, and will and hasn’t put in the hard work to make himself a better player.

McFann Ô

July 5th, 2009
11:08 am

Thanks for the new Blog, Ms. Rogers!

with Brian McCann back in there today, the lineup could easily get rolling again.

Haha…

Buzzmeat

Sorry…I read your comment about the selection show wrong. I thought you said it starts in an hour

Yeah, it’s annoying how long they make it. I mean, just tell us who’s in so we cann move on, eh? I thought I read somewhere that the show was from 1-3, but I could be wrong…another thing that makes it so long is the freaking commercials…

i Was not disagreeing with you. Just saying he is our only option at cleanup.

Gotcha. Yeah, unfortunately…

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:09 am

buzzmeat, While that is true, we can’t have both in the OF. McLouth would have a heat stroke in ATL by AUG having to play all 3 spots defensively.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:12 am

Frenchy displayed attitude problems? This year?

Mike S

July 5th, 2009
11:12 am

And I agree that Jurrjens looks a little like Maddux, but even more so in his approach to pitching. He’s modeled his game after one of the best, and should hopefully continue to see success because of it.

RHR

July 5th, 2009
11:14 am

Black Like Me, I take it you’re not a Braves fan.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:14 am

jason- I don’t think his response to OBP was self-centered at all. He has vastly underperformed and probably needs a new home, but I don’t see the attitude problem that you seem to.

buzzmeat

July 5th, 2009
11:14 am

Jason,

What are talking about? all 3 spots? i meant ellsbury in rf, Mclouth in cf and GA in lf

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:15 am

McFann Ô, You are right about BMac in the 5 hole. I really would like to see Yunel hitting clean up. Either that or drop McLouth to 3 and Chipper to 4. Chipper can handle clean up, he has the knowledge. He flat out knows how to hit. Someone dropped a lineup the other day that I thought was interesting:
2B Prado
1B Kotchman
CF Mclouth
3B Chipper
C McCann
SS Escobar
LF Loaf
RF Diaz
P
I like this line up with Prado leading off. It’s not like we steal bases anyway. Prado will work counts and make the pitcher work. CK can also work counts and don’t strike out alot. McLouth would be a good run producer in this spot. Chipp, ditto, and will take pressure off of BMac. We all know what Yunel brings in RISP situations.

JPS

July 5th, 2009
11:16 am

Finally! This is the lineup I have been waiting for. I love it. If BC sticks with this lineup and learns how to manage the bullpen he will look like a genius.

Black Like Me

July 5th, 2009
11:17 am

Jason,

McLouth is no centerfielder. You seem to be saying that he is covering up for the other two outfielders. You are joking of course. He did not look good yesterday when he muffed that hit right in front of him. Don’t use the leg injury as an excuse.

I hear that Schafer is hurt again. The lack of drug enhancements may be catching up to him. The Braves had better start looking for another outfielder to cover centerfield in the future. Do they have anyone in the minors with speed and power other than Heywood?

buzzmeat

July 5th, 2009
11:17 am

McFann,

Yea. TBS has it listed as one 12-1 (central time zone). It does not matter, im sure at 1 pm on the dot joe and boog will show the roster for both teams.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:18 am

LOL at people giving BC advice

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:18 am

buzzmeat, I was talking about Defense. Not offense.

And yes I said attitude problems. Not in verbal, but his not making adjustments. I think he has gotten by on talent alone, and has not bought into to actually having to work hard to get better. His all round game has dropped to a point that noone, I mean noone will trade anything for him. Not even a career minor league journeyman. That’s how bad he has got.

Eric from MO

July 5th, 2009
11:19 am

To answer Carrol question, JJ is the Ace. I said it in April and took some grief from DOB, but I dont know how you can consider Lowe the ace compared to JJ.

PWHjort

July 5th, 2009
11:19 am

I like the match-ups for the upcoming Cubs series.

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:21 am

Black Like Me, I missed that play yesterday. I was watchingonline and the feed kept freezing. McLouth is not a CF in my opinion. He is more of a LF. But McLouth can’t be faulted for going all out. He does, he plays the game hard. If he is that bad or average in CF, then why would we want Dunn in RF with McLouth and LF also. How would you make an out unless it’s a groundball in the infield? Well, when Huddy returns, we will have 3 sinker ball pitchers.

Eric from MO

July 5th, 2009
11:21 am

Jason I dont think you can say its Francouer’s attitude. He has tried to make changes. He worked in the offseason. Last year I too thought he had an attitude problem, but he has tried to turn it around. People just have to face it, he just isnt that good.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:22 am

He has worked to get better. He went all the way to Texas for it. I know it is the popular thing to bash Francouer these days, and trashing his performance is warranted. he has not physically or verbally displayed the immaturity or “attitude problems that Esco has. Not making adjustments is an attitude problem??? Specifically, what adjustments do you mean? Don’t be late on fastballs?

PWHjort

July 5th, 2009
11:22 am

Francoeur’s career line against Olsen: 7 for 28 with 2 HR, 1 3B, and 3 2B. 1 BB, 6 K. .250/.276/.643

I hope this means something is afoot.

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:23 am

Eric from MO, I agree. DOB was probably naming Lowe the ace because of experience and career performance. JJ was good last year, but it was only one year. Lowe started out the ace, and now has passed that on to JJ. He has been our most consistent pitcher sp far. And the best part is he is still getting better.

McFann Ô

July 5th, 2009
11:24 am

Jason

It would be int’resting to see how Escobar would handle the cleanup spot. He leads the team in RBI, knows how to hit with RISP (what’s he hitting, like…200 points higher than BMac in that department?)…just seems logical to me.

That lineup you have there is int’resting, too…Chipper might make a good cleanup guy, but I’m not sure he likes it very much…

Buzzmeat im sure at 1 pm on the dot joe and boog will show the roster for both teams.

Maybe…either way, I wish it was 1…in a way…

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:26 am

Lumpy Rutherford, Maybe I chose the wrong words. Yes, he went to Texas, but that doen’t neccessarily mean that he is putting in the hard work. He worked on his swing, but yet as soona someone else hits a HR… he goes right back to what’s not working and swings away.

Eric from MO, you are right. He is just not that good. How can you go from what he started out as, and become this?

FargoND Brave

July 5th, 2009
11:27 am

the escobar trade is very intriguing…but who do we plug in at short? many want ellsbury (which would be stellar), but then we have a glaring hole at SS

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:28 am

That lineup you have there is int’resting, too…Chipper might make a good cleanup guy, but I’m not sure he likes it very much…

Chipper is a team guy. I think he would for the team. He is the logical choice, because he is the most experienced. Plus he is the best oure hitter. He can roll out of bed and hit.

I am wondering when Chipper will get a day off. As I see it, it might not be until Infante gets back and can play second.

Lew

July 5th, 2009
11:28 am

Alleged (but hardly proven) use of HGH (a substance found in the huiman body and nothing whatsoever like an anabolic steroid) at a the age of 22 has caused Jordan Schafer’s wrist to self destruct. Right

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:29 am

FargoND Brave, And that’s why I don’t think Esco will be traded.

buzzmeat

July 5th, 2009
11:29 am

does Infante play SS? he could do it when his hand heels.

Black Like Me

July 5th, 2009
11:30 am

RHR,

I have been a Brave fan ever since coming to Atlanta many years ago. Prior to that, I was Dodger Blue. I just do not like the make up of this team. The pitching is A-OK. The everyday players(except for Chipper, McCann,Blanco, McCann,Prado and Escobar) could not start for most of the top tier teams. Anderson is probably the best stick on the team. He just can’t run anymore.

buzzmeat

July 5th, 2009
11:30 am

Id rather keep the team leader in RBI’s (Escobar)

wiki

July 5th, 2009
11:32 am

I can’t remember who made the post in the last blog, but he makes a great point about BC mismanaging the bullpen over the long haul. The most innings Gonzales has pitched in a full season is 54 and he’s already at 39. Looking back at the stats over the last few seasons, there is almost overwhelming evidence of the bullpen pitchers’ overuse and subsequent fading at the end of the year. Examples include Reitsma, Ken Ray, Ohman, among others. Even look at the exceptions…..Soriano in ‘07, Moylan in ‘07….they ended up injured for most if not all of the ‘08 season. The argument could be made that Smoltz’ arm wore down because of the cumulative effect of 60+ appearances out of the bullpen over three seasons…..it just took a couple of years to manifest. The only exception I could find is Remlinger.

BC may be better suited for an AL team where pinch hitting for the pitcher is not an option.

FargoND Brave

July 5th, 2009
11:32 am

when is Omar expected to return? I would be fairly comfortable with him at SS. Isnt he a FA at years end though?

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:32 am

Ellsbury is not what we need. Just go ahead and start listing the rosters of the Sox and Yanks as players we want to target. Those are the ones that ESPN forces down our throat daily. This just in….there are good players outside of NY and Boston.

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:32 am

buzzmeat, we were talking about that yesterday. I don’t know if he could everyday. Some think so. It would be worth doing I guess, but would you want to go into the post season with Infante starting everygame at SS? Now, if we were throwing this season away, then I could see it. If we trade with BOS, there is talk that Lugo would be coming back also. Is Lugo who you want at SS during the post season? I know I wouldn’t.

tralfaz

July 5th, 2009
11:33 am

Trade Escobar? Yeah, right, a team that can’t score should trade one of their best hitters? I don’t care if he wipes his arse with the flag as long as he can hit.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:33 am

Black Like Me- I don’t think Blanco starts on any other major league team.

BravesfaninWis

July 5th, 2009
11:34 am

Damn shame that the bullpen had to waste a great start by our future ace last night.. Yet another deserving win blown by our incompetent bullpen..

njbraves

July 5th, 2009
11:35 am

Black Like Me….just go away dude. You don’t have a clue about the Braves.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:35 am

Not the entire bullpen, just Gonzalez.

McFann Ô

July 5th, 2009
11:36 am

Jason

Oh yeah, Chipper would do it–we saw that when the Braves first got McLouth. But I doubt the Braves will put him there again ’cause they know he likes to hit third.

He would prob’ly be a good choice, though…but I wouldike to see what Escobar cann do there.

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:36 am

Lumpy Rutherford, I think with NY and BOS being shoved down our throats is because they are the only ones that can take on salary and eat salary to deal with us.

coach smith

July 5th, 2009
11:38 am

Any trade involving ESCOBAR would HAVE to return TWO serious bats otherwise it doesn’t improve your hitting to trade one of your best hitters for another becuase then you still have the SAME AMOUNT of good hitters

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:38 am

McFann Ô, I don’t mind Loaf at cleanup, but that is a log jam with the left handers, with McLouth also. So, let’s just stay with Yunel at clean up if Chipper has to hit third.

FargoND Brave

July 5th, 2009
11:38 am

we have 2 closers! would braves nation be “ok” with dumping one for an outfield bat? dumping escobar doesnt excite me…but dumping his swagger does…

JPS

July 5th, 2009
11:38 am

Black like me…

When you were a Dodger fan was your screen name “Blue like me”?

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:39 am

coach smith, agreed, and one has to be a SS.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:40 am

There are a couple of teams out in CA that can take on salary. There are teams in both the AL and NL Central that can take on salary as well.

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:40 am

FargoND Brave, I wouldn’t like to, because I like what we have closing games, but for the right hitter, then yes. But what could we get foe Gonzo. Soriani is not going anywhere this year.

Black Like Me

July 5th, 2009
11:40 am

Jason,

I hope that I am wrong, but Hudson will not be the same pitcher when he returns. That sinker will not sink with the injury he is recovering from. Thats why it is idiotic to trade Xavier. Hanson cannot pitch everyday will not be as dominant once the hitters catch up to him.

coach smith

July 5th, 2009
11:41 am

Did you guys see the craziness BUSTER OLNEY was spewing about potential trades involving ESCOBAR and/or Vazquez?

Tell me who in the world is lining up to trade VAZQUEZ or ESCOBAR straight up for CORY HART???????? a guy hitting .256 w/9hrs

Or how about VAZQUEZ straight up for JUAN PIERRE????????

or even Escobar for Jacoby Ellsbury?

any Braves GM making those deals should be strung up on the Turner Field scoreboard

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:42 am

Lumpy Rutherford, Name the teams, and we could look to see what they have.

McFann Ô

July 5th, 2009
11:42 am

Jason

I’m for that. Yeah, no GA at cleanup…

McFann Ô

July 5th, 2009
11:42 am

VAZQUEZ or ESCOBAR straight up for CORY HART

That would be very bad…

FargoND Brave

July 5th, 2009
11:43 am

jason…I agree on Gonzo being the one to dish. but Im afraid one of the few teams that would gladly take him are the fish….and I think that would not be in our best interests….cause that would haunt us with all our southpaws

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:44 am

Black Like Me, I hope you are wrong. I think it will be next season before we will see the old Huddy. That’s why i am not crazy about trading JV. I pefer to wait until the offseason to truly evaluate Huddy and go from there.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:45 am

Dodgers, Angels, White Sox, Cubs, Cardinals to start. Why do you need me to name the teams? Are you thinking that Boston and NY are the only teams willing to take on salary to get into postseason?

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:45 am

FargoND Brave, If Gonzo was to go to the fish, we would have to get Cody Ross back in return, plus a mid level prospect.

RLPmetro

July 5th, 2009
11:45 am

Aren’t Gonzo and Soriano free agents at the end of the year? Who is going to give up anything of value for either of them if they are rentals???

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:46 am

FargoND Brave, I also don’t like dealing within the div. You don’t give help the teams you are trying to beat.

coach smith

July 5th, 2009
11:47 am

A trade that could make sense for everyone is HOLLIDAY for FRENCHY, JOJO, BRANDON JONES and maybe another low level prospect

The A’s are not going to get any offer better than that for what could be a rental

Baba O'Riley

July 5th, 2009
11:48 am

Lumpy, I am glad you brought that up. I think some folks don’t take the time to look at the depth of talent in the league. They just get lazy and talk about the teams in the Northeast that the national media seems to focus on.

FargoND Brave

July 5th, 2009
11:48 am

I agree. I was only pointing out our only trade flexibility w/out opening a new hole/weakness. And I know miami needs a closer BAD…

RLPmetro

July 5th, 2009
11:48 am

Yeah, just send the A’s our cast offs for Matt Holliday. Come on, people. You crucified Wren for the Tex deal, and we were going to get him for a year and a half. Why make a deal with a Boras client that we know will be gone after this year???

Black Like Me

July 5th, 2009
11:48 am

JPS

When you were a Dodger fan was your screen name “Blue like me”?

Thats a funny line. You must be a young whipper snapper. We did not have blogs and email back when I was a Dodger Blue fan. We did however have a lot better players on the field than we do today. Believe me as I haveseen both groups.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:49 am

coach smith- should we pay Oakland for “taking out the trash”?

coach smith

July 5th, 2009
11:49 am

Olney also mentioned this:

Would you trade VAZQUEZ and say Kotchman for FIELDER with no gaurentee that you could resign him?

The only way I’d do that is if we were given a 48 hour window to try and extend his contract

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:50 am

Dodgers, Angels, White Sox, Cubs, Cardinals to start. Why do you need me to name the teams? Are you thinking that Boston and NY are the only teams willing to take on salary to get into postseason?

We are most likely looking at dealing JV. So, we will go ahead and cross CHW and LA off the list. Does STL have anything we want. I am not sold on Ludwick, To many injuries. Cubs, what are your opinions on what we could work with them for? The Angels is the one team I was looking at. The problem with them is they are stingy with their younger players. They would offer Matthews. Also, JV has the westcoast no trade clause. Anyway, I wouldn’t deal unless we were getting Wood ( I think) back as the heir to Chipper at 3B.

abwright

July 5th, 2009
11:51 am

Ignoring all the righty-lefty stuff, this line-up is probably the best hitting line-up that the Braves can field right now. No one in this line-up (to this point in the season) has shown the absolute incompetence that has plagued several spots in the line-up in the early part of the season.

I hope that Lowe brings his “A” game today and goes deep into the game. Or else the Braves get an early, big lead. The “big three” in the bullpen need 2 or 3 days off to get themselves back together.

Here’s hoping that the Mutts and the Philthies go 20 innings and finish in a “no decision.”

Go Pirates, too.

coach smith

July 5th, 2009
11:51 am

RLPmetro

tell me who can give a better deal than that for the A’s to give up a rental that they have NO intention of resigining?

it is said to be a buyer’s market and EVERYONE knows the A’s want to dump HOLLIDAY

PWHjort

July 5th, 2009
11:52 am

“A trade that could make sense for everyone is HOLLIDAY for FRENCHY, JOJO, BRANDON JONES and maybe another low level prospect” (coach smith)

Well considering it makes sense for neither us nor them…. No, it doesn’t make sense for everyone. Doesn’t make sense for us because we can’t add payroll. Doesn’t make sense for the A’s because Billy Beane wants PROSPECTS, not players that make money (Francoeur, who sucks) and AAAA players (B. Jones and Reyes). Put yourself in Billy Beane’s shoes. He can either keep Holliday’s production and ticket sales increase, let him walk as a free agent, and get 2 draft picks, or lose Holliday for B. Jones, Jo Jo Reyes, and the type of player he hates the most, Francoeur??? He’s going to do that? No sir.

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:52 am

coach smith- should we pay Oakland for “taking out the trash”?

We have before. Will they fall for it again? Also, you know Holiday will be gone after the season, he is a Boras client.

Chop It Up All-Star

July 5th, 2009
11:52 am

Great lineup today. And all this Escobar trade talk is insane. This kid is the superstar talent that Francouer was “supposed” to be. This team doesn’t need anything except consistency.

Eric from MO

July 5th, 2009
11:54 am

Its easy Jason, pitchers learned how to pitch to him.

Eric from MO

July 5th, 2009
11:54 am

Its easy Jason, pitchers learned how to pitch to him.

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:55 am

See, the dilema is that we won’t add payroll. Dollar for dollar trades. Those are hard to pull off. Then you have JVs ntrade slause restrictions. What can you do. FW’s hands are tied. He is limited. I look for a suttle move, like Teahen in KC.

RLPmetro

July 5th, 2009
11:56 am

Coach Smith, PWHjort said exactly what I was going to say. There are a lot of teams that could give the A’s a better deal by actually trading legit prospects for Holliday. You can’t expect to get something for a bunch of players that the Braves aren’t happy with.

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:57 am

Eric from MO

Its easy Jason, pitchers learned how to pitch to him.

Francouer? You left for a minute. By that line above, why hasn’t Francouer been able to make adjustments like most MLB hitters? He hasn’t made an adjustment in 2+ years.

coach smith

July 5th, 2009
11:58 am

I think you guys are SERIOUSLY overvaluing HOLLIDAY especially when you consider that he is going to WALK at season’s end…so the A’s could get 3 young players with major league experience who are cheap and another prospect or they could get nothing of proven value

PWHjort

how do you KNOW that the Braves cannot add any payroll they are 6 million and change UNDER last year’s payroll

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
11:58 am

I think the A’s signed Holliday with intention of getting prospects in return for him. BB would not like any of the players you listed in exchange for Holliday. I’m not sure if you’ve read Moneyball, but Jeff Francouer is the antithesis of a Beane player.

Jason- any “fantasy” trading on here is foolish. I won’t “propose” a trade. I do know, however that there are possibilities other than those in NY and Boston. If you’ve read the proposals on these blogs, you know that 80-90% of these are foolish. However, they are no less foolish that anything I can come up with, simply because they are FANTASY.

JerseyGil

July 5th, 2009
11:58 am

Updated Minor league Rookies……Heyward 3-2 triple 1 rbi, Freeman 3-1 1 rbi last night in AA Mississipi win………..

coach smith

July 5th, 2009
11:58 am

and don’t forget we got TIm HUDSON from the A’s for basically CHARLES THOMAS and a bag of balls!!!!!!!!!!

jason

July 5th, 2009
11:58 am

RLPmetro, This is true. ATL doesn’t have alot on the farm to deal. About all we have is the untouchables. Maybe Johnson, but he wouldn’t be enough.

Black Like Me

July 5th, 2009
11:59 am

njbraves,

I know that the Braves will not beat the Phillies,Cards, Dodgers,Cubs, Brewers, Mets, MarlinsPadres and Giants with what they have now. Bank on it…DUDE!!!!

FargoND Brave

July 5th, 2009
12:00 pm

I think the bravos just need to sit tight and see what this group can do. All this talk about Holliday, Dunn, or Ludwick is disgusting. Loaf is gone at years end, which frees up a few mill, and then Wren just needs to get a deal done with a FA and not make an impulsive desperate move again.

coach smith

July 5th, 2009
12:00 pm

you guys are ASSUMING too much about our payroll situation

and you know what they say about assuming lol

Stargate

July 5th, 2009
12:00 pm

Whenever I read the AJC blog hosts or listen to Joe Simpson glorify the Braves, I’d swear they are talking about a first place juggernaut–instead of a fourth place team, two games under .500. The pitchers are unhittable, the hitters are on a hot streak. The level of journalism is just a little different in New York and Philadelphia where they tell it like it is–instead of how Braves fans want it to be.

Lumpy Rutherford

July 5th, 2009
12:00 pm

jason- Be specific about Francouer’s adjustments. What exactly are you talking about? Which swing mechanics would you alter. Also, t the time Dan Meyer was one of our top pitching prospects. He was not “trash”. Injuries took a toll on him.

RLPmetro

July 5th, 2009
12:01 pm

Jason…what’s sad is that Francouer has been stubborn and stuck with what got him here. I think it is an indictment of our hitting coach, really. I mean, Andruw is experiencing somewhat of a rebirth out there in Texas this year. You gotta expect that Francouer will go to Texas when he is not tendered after this season, and he will start to shake some of his bad habits that have caused him to fail here. You see glimpses of his turnaround, but he continues to fall back into those bad habits…swinging at every pitch, etc. He needs to be constantly badgered by a great hitting coach who he believes in. I just don’t think Pendleton is that guy.

jason

July 5th, 2009
12:01 pm

coach smith, That’s what I read on an ESPN report, if you can believe them. FW said only trades would be dollar for dollar, that they would not take on any payroll. and that they also want a MLB hitter under team control for at least 2 years.

JerseyGil

July 5th, 2009
12:01 pm

Why B Jones is not in this team????? Last night in Gwinnett 3-2 his batting 308.

Eric from MO

July 5th, 2009
12:01 pm

Jason you see alot of players come up and start really well, but when pitchers learn to pitch to them they can no longer hit. They just arent good enough to make the adjustments. If you cant hit a breaking ball, you cant just say, “ok I will start hitting breaking ball.” Doesnt work that way. Same as catching up with a fastball.

PWHjort

July 5th, 2009
12:02 pm

It has been reported by numerous sources that the Braves can’t add payroll. And we got Hudson for Charles Thomas (a legit prospect that turned out to be a bust), Dan Meyer (a very legit prospect that didn’t pan out in Oakland but is finding his niche in Florida), and Juan Cruz (a reliever who had just tossed 72 innings of 2.75 ERA). Hardly Charles Thomas and a bag of balls. Just stop talking.

jason

July 5th, 2009
12:02 pm

Lumpy Rutherford, The last part of your post is so true. When I look at possible trades, I try to think realisticly. I look at the peramiters set by FW. There is not alot of deals out there.

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