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KJ+Frenchy=Garbage
July 3rd, 2009
4:27 pm
OFF TOPIC (talking about bench players and bullpen made me think about this) but just felt like saying real baseball is played in the National League, American League has no Stradegy i think the whole MLB should be no DH
yellerjacket
July 3rd, 2009
4:27 pm
A very legitimate shot at a World Series ring could make a no-trade clause disappear, Coach. Why so angry? Gearing up for the “tearing Bobby Cox a new one” tonight at the game? Deep breaths, now, in with the good, out with the bad…
bgvt
July 3rd, 2009
4:28 pm
Jason –
The Braves are carrying 12 pitchers.
KJ+Frenchy=Garbage
July 3rd, 2009
4:28 pm
Hey David OBriens comment on this blog earlier is now posted on MLB trade rumors
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
4:28 pm
Nolie, the Ted is playing huge this year. Granted, some of that has to do with better pitching, and weaker offense by the Braves, but the Braves and their opponents are hitting 1.7 homers per game when the Braves are away, but only 1.35 homers a game at the Ted this season. On this last homestand, I saw McCann hit 3 balls right in front of that 390 sign in right center that would’ve been gone in most ballparks. Ryan Howard hit one in front of that sign last night that would’ve been gone in most ballparks.
Jus Sayin...
July 3rd, 2009
4:29 pm
Tell It Like It Is – Please don’t start this crap. The reason there are not alot of African Americans in the majors is that they are all in the NBA or NFL
That’s not a reason. It is a symptom. Certain athletes..not just African-Americans, avoid baseball because of , well the Bobby Cox’s. You have for example, many athletes that are into Extreme Sports..a majority of whom are not African-American…who could play baseball but aren’t attracted to it.
So don’t make it out to be that it is just African-Americans avoiding baseball. Baseball seems to attract poor desperate players from the Caribbean and South America and Skoal-users.
In any other sport, Yunnie is not a “problem”. Not in the NBA, not in the NFL, not even the NHL. Only in baseball do you find organizations who want docile players. In any other sport, you’re likely to get cut if you don’t an edge to you.
Jus sayin…
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 3rd, 2009
4:31 pm
–RHP Tim Hudson threw a 90-pitch bullpen session Thursday in preparation for the next step in his rehab from last August’s Tommy John surgery. He will throw batting practice before the Braves-Cubs games Monday and Tuesday at Wrigley Field. He is scheduled to begin a rehab assignment July 19 at Class A Myrtle Beach.
Dude is on pace to pitch this year. It is going to happen.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
4:32 pm
Braveheart–
Yeah, the Ted has been playing oddly huge this year…either that or our guys lost some of their power…
On this last homestand, I saw McCann hit 3 balls right in front of that 390 sign in right center that would’ve been gone in most ballparks.
Annoying…very annoying…they could at least have fallen in for um…doubles!
J Dub
July 3rd, 2009
4:32 pm
Chef, you may not be same Tim Dix. Tim Dix I know had a local Albany GA radio show and he was a big Yankee guy. I know, a yankee guy doing a sports show in Albany GA!!
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
4:33 pm
Coach Dude is on pace to pitch this year. It is going to happen.
Yeah…I hope he does a rehab thing in Gwinnett, too!
yellerjacket
July 3rd, 2009
4:34 pm
Jus Sayin’, is that based on actual empirical data and research? Did you or anyone else go around and interview a large sample size of young African American athletes who recently gave up baseball for other sports and they told you they didn’t want to strive for the major leagues because of, “well, the Bobby Cox’s”? Holy freaking crap.
Tell it like it is didn’t imply that young African American athletes don’t prefer baseball. He/She implied that “Caucasian affirmative action” was holding back better qualified black players from playing for the Braves. You can’t teach or defend that kind of stupid.
GTSteve
July 3rd, 2009
4:34 pm
Somebody suggested getting Melky from the Yankees, which reminded me how surprised I was to hear his age the other day.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
4:34 pm
bgvt, that’s what I thought. I was going by what someone else said earlier. With 12 pitchers, bringing the third C up is moot anyway.
Shamus Thacker
July 3rd, 2009
4:35 pm
Wish Frenchy would rob a bank and get caught.
10-years, mandatory.
"Chef" Tim Dix
July 3rd, 2009
4:37 pm
J Dub, go to the website check out my show, ” The Sports Buffet”.
Archives availible online. Recently had on former Falcon Buddy Curry, had V. Dooley, even the leader of this bunch DOB.
We’re live mondays at 9p. ET. Thanks for the interest.
J Dub
July 3rd, 2009
4:38 pm
I have been surfing the site Chef, I will be checking it out.
FloridaBrave
July 3rd, 2009
4:39 pm
Some other minor league moves by the Braves according to milb.com:
OF Luis Sumoza and 1B Gerardo Rodriguez were moved up the Beach.
OF Adam Milligan and P Tyrelle Harris are the first draft picks this year to be promoted to Rome.
Surprised RSF wasn’t promoted to take Rodriguez’s 1B spot in Rome…
bruce
July 3rd, 2009
4:39 pm
McFann —
heading out to the game tonight… sitting about 5 rows behind the Nats dugout, and if I can find my McCann t-shirt, I’ll have it on backwards… would be really cool to be in the background while McCann is hitting… let me know…
Sure hope Nyjer Morgan does not give Braves as much trouble in this series as he did when Braves played in Pittsburgh… seemed like he got on and took the extra base so easily many times…. a flyer on the paths.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
4:39 pm
So, let’s see. We heard news that Yunel and JV were the topics of possible trades. We now have found that we are back to square one inregards of finding that ellusive big bat. There is no fit for JV, and if we trade Yunel, we won’t have a SS. So, both are staying. Don’t know about you all, but that will work for me.
The Real Don Steele
July 3rd, 2009
4:40 pm
Shamus, can’t get the image of that turkey-underwear voodoo doll out of my mind! This is a perfect idea in every way. Too rich!
BravesFan09
July 3rd, 2009
4:41 pm
is matt holliday being discussed?
i’d give up escobar straight up for 3 months of holliday + 2 draft picks
they owe use from the kotsay/devine trade
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Just watched the replay of that double that Blanco lost–the one Utley scored on (yeah, kinda bored over here…). Dang Utley looked like he wanted to make something happened with that “slide”. Well, he accomplished his main task–BMac dropped the ding-dang ball…
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 3rd, 2009
4:42 pm
And one more thing.
I can come up with a dozen reasons why Javier Vasquez being traded to the Phillies makes so much damn sense it’s not even funny. Not even Frank Wren can argue with me on this one.
yellerjacket
July 3rd, 2009
4:43 pm
I’m with you jason, can’t think of any combination of players out there that could actually come together in a trade that would be worth losing Vazquez and Esco. Sometimes the best move is no move. If Wren gets absolutely blown away with a fantastical offer later this month, so be it, but we don’t have to be the desperate shoppers right now.
GTSteve
July 3rd, 2009
4:43 pm
BMac got short hopped on that one…….maybe if Yunel hadnt been sitting for the last however many days, he would have made a perfect throw
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
4:44 pm
McFann, your boy seems like he needs to level off his swing. Just from what I’ve seen, seems like there is a bit too much uppercut going on right now. He also seems tired and worn down.
I needed you last night at the game though. The buddy I went to the game with last night kept pestering me that Bobby was an idiot for not doing a righty/lefty platoon with McCann and Ross. Didn’t matter how many insults I tossed at him, he kept on with it anyway, but he’s always been a bit retarded, autistic, asperger’s, tourette’s, whatever, I can’t quite narrow down the proper diagnosis after all these years. I needed you to hit him with the knowledge ’cause I was this close to hitting with my fists, which really wouldn’t be advisable because my bud’s got mad retard strength.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
4:44 pm
yellerjacket and a DAWG in agreement. Well, I’ll be….
Shamus Thacker
July 3rd, 2009
4:44 pm
If we hold on to Vazquez, we’ll have THE MOST dominating rotation in ALL of baseball when Huddy returns.
PLEASE, don’t trade Javy!! I’m BEGGING!! I’m PLEADING!! I’m DRUNK, but feel same way sober!!
jason
July 3rd, 2009
4:45 pm
He also seems tired and worn down. That’s what I have been noticing also.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
4:45 pm
Bruce–
Hope you find it! I’ll definitely keep a lookout for you and let ya know if I see you.
would be really cool to be in the background while McCann is hitting
Sure would! Especially if he is hitting, you know what I’m sayin’?
Oh man, I can’t tell you how cheesed I was at the Pirates for trading Morgan to the Nats! That dude is a speed-demon…And really, if they were gonna trade one of their guys to our Division, why not make it Ian Snell? (As long as they don’t trade him to us!)
GTSteve
July 3rd, 2009
4:46 pm
i think this is the perfect time that no move is a good move
Gone Viral
July 3rd, 2009
4:46 pm
I agree with Shamus Thacker. If we do trade him and make the playoffs, we’ll spend a lot of time then complaining about how we missed his presence. We can make the playoffs with the current team. The NL East isn’t much and our pitching is the gold standard.
Couch Tater
July 3rd, 2009
4:47 pm
After the rash of injuries to last years staff and the turmoil of the offseason, it’s just hard for me to buy that Wren would deal Vazquez. The “innings eater” he was looking for.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
4:50 pm
A couple of days back I was saying to hold fast. I like throwing ideas around for good conversation. This the best deal of all, no deal made.
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
4:50 pm
Can someone set Frenchy up and bury some dead dogs in his backyard, and put some malnourished, battered ones somewhere on his property, and tell some dudes name Pookie and Rex to rat and roll on him? From the looks of things, that might be what it takes unfortunately.
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 3rd, 2009
4:51 pm
Shamus Thacker, There is only one problem with your theory about “the most dominating pitching in baseball”.
Where is Hudson going to pitch? We have Jurrjens, Lowe, Vasquez, Kawakami and Hanson. This problem applies not only to right now and the rest of 2009 but to 2010 and beyond.
yellerjacket
July 3rd, 2009
4:52 pm
jason, I agree with you slightly less now that I know you’re a dawg and all, but hey crazier things have happened. If it helps, I went to Furman, not Tech. I actually chose to be a fan…weird, huh?
rjb in atlanta
July 3rd, 2009
4:52 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust) And one more thing. I can come up with a dozen reasons why Javier Vasquez being traded to the Phillies makes so much damn sense it’s not even funny. Not even Frank Wren can argue with me on this one.
I am sure that each and every one of them will make sense in the clubhouse as Mr. Wren explains why he gave the team we are chasing in the division another gun. He can call Pittsburgh GM Neal Huntington to ask for some advise on the best way to break the news.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
4:53 pm
yellerjacket, if it helps… Ssssh, I actually pull for Tech except for that game Sat. after Thanksgiving.
Shamus Thacker
July 3rd, 2009
4:55 pm
Vazquez has JUST found himself as a pitcher. I believer that with all my liquored-up heart!
He and Hanson are ou VERY BEST starters!! If we trade one of those bookends our damn books will fall over! PLEASE, PLEASE, plEASE DON’T!!!
Tennbravefan
July 3rd, 2009
4:55 pm
As good as Javy has been this year, the fact of the matter is he is a career .500 pitcher. He has been this year, and every year of his career. Whether his ERA is 3.00 or 4.50 he always ends up around .500. That has to be considered, and If I can get a legitimate big league 30 HR guy then I’d trade javy without thinking twice. Especially with Hudson coming back and Medlin in the bullpen.
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
4:55 pm
they owe use from the kotsay/devine trade
and we owe them big time for the tim hudson deal. think of devine as the PTNBL from that Hudson deal, and kotsay was pretty good for us. I’d say the Braves owe Billy Beane much more than Billy Beane owes the Braves.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
4:55 pm
Braveheart your boy seems like he needs to level off his swing. Just from what I’ve seen, seems like there is a bit too much uppercut going on right now.
Oh, I know! He keeps getting up under the ball! It’s driving me batty…
The buddy I went to the game with last night kept pestering me that Bobby was an idiot for not doing a righty/lefty platoon with McCann and Ross.
Hmm. Maybe he just doesn’t know a whole lot about Braves baseball…? BMac might be in a slump at the present time, but he’s no platooner (oh man…I need to stop…every compliment I give him gets him deeper and deeper into the slump…)
Ah man, but sometimes people like that, you’re just like, “Whatever, man. I’m right, you’re wrong, but what the heck ever…”
needed you to hit him with the knowledge…
Thanks! That’s a nice compliment.
You and Jason He also seems tired and worn down.
Yeah. But gee-wiz, it’s only the beginning of July, and he missed some time, what with the DL stint and everything.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
4:56 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust), 2009 we can deal with. In the off season you work a deal if one is there. It’s easy. In the off season, you will have a better understanding of where Huddy is, and what he can contribute in 2010. Also, you can evaluate possible trades for JV. You either trade JV, or not pick up Huddy’s option. Either you get a bat that you are looking for or you free up $12 MIl to go and sign said bat.
brian
July 3rd, 2009
4:56 pm
the trouble is we may have to trade Vazquez to get the bat we need to make the playoffs, but when we are in the playoffs having Vazquez in our rotation will make us tough to beat in the post-season
Escobar Rocks
July 3rd, 2009
4:57 pm
“Name I keep hearing, because it’s a position of strength for the Braves and he’s so attractive to other teams, is Javier Vazquez.” DOB
Trading Vazquez makes MUCH more sense than trading Escobar. The Braves have no decent shortstops in the minor league system. Esco plays A+ defense and is one of the best hitters on the team despite his injuries. Doesn’t Bobby understand that if he trades Escobar he will have a .220 hitter playing shortstop instead of a .300 hitter…..or doesn’t he care. If you trade Vazquez you are trading from a position of depth. You have a young starter rotting on the bench in Kris Medlen. You also have an all-star that is due back from injury soon. Vazquez is greatly valued now because so many teams need pitching. Why not trade him while that value is high for a very good starting outfielder. Or trade him for prospects and flip those prospects to another team for a hitter.
I am hoping beyond hope that the meeting yesterday was Bobby begging Wren to trade Escobar but Wren saying that the best thing to do is trade Vazquez…and it is.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
4:58 pm
yellerjacket I actually chose to be a fan…weird, huh?
Not at all!
GTSteve BMac got short hopped on that one
True…dang, and from the one angle it looked like he had it!
Glad I didn’t realize it was Utley trying to score at the time, or else I might have had a serious freak-out as he was rounding third…I know how he cann be with plays at the plate…
Chop Chop
July 3rd, 2009
4:58 pm
If Francoeur were fighting dogs, the carcasses would be out in the open for all to see. He’s too stupid to bury them.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
4:59 pm
Yeah. But gee-wiz, it’s only the beginning of July, and he missed some time, what with the DL stint and everything.
But it has been hotter than ever, and he was battling the flu.
Shamus Thacker
July 3rd, 2009
5:00 pm
Coach, tell me thr trutt; who would you rather have on the4 mound in a HUGE game, Vazquez, or Lowe/KK? KK’s been great abnd I like him alot, but he seems to walk alotta folks, and you never know what you’rw gonna get outa Lowe these days…
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
5:00 pm
Cooch, name me a handful of mid-30s guys coming off major arm surgery who’ve been an asset during a stretch run in their first 10 starts back, and not a distraction with everyone accommodating the rehabilitation of that starter to the detriment of the team?
Jus Sayin...
July 3rd, 2009
5:00 pm
yellerjacket, yes, I have many friends who are into Extreme Sports that will tell you that they don’t like baseball because it’s full of “rednecks”. So what I’m saying is that don’t lay it all off on African-Americans as there are athletes of all races that are revolted by baseball culture. Do you have any empirical evidence to suggest otherwise? If you don’t then STFU and stop perpetuating that something is wrong with African-Americans when it’s all races.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
5:00 pm
Jason But it has been hotter than ever, and he was battling the flu.
This is true.
And man, being sick in the Summer stinks! Almost nuthin worse than be sick and sweaty…
Gone Viral
July 3rd, 2009
5:01 pm
We just need to move up to okay offensively in RF to be a playoff team. With the current economic state and teams like Texas having to borrow money from MLB, if we can’t find a team looking to do a salary dump, we’re just not trying hard enough. We’ve still got another 2 months for this all to shake out. Waiver wire deals won’t be as difficult as they’ve been in the past, because teams will be worried that if they do make claims, they’ll just get dumped with the salaries.We’ll have options. What we don’t want to do is panic and trade a Cy Young contender.
Oh No!!
July 3rd, 2009
5:01 pm
“Why is Francoeur in the lineup tonight?”
Top 5 reasons:
1) They are hoping/praying for just a tiny amount of improvement in his batting, thus creating a sliver of value in trade (more than just a bag of balls worth),
2) BC wants to take us back down a notch so we can get that huge relief feeling again when he takes JF out again,
3) Speaking of yellerjackets, BC has reverted back to his “Gaileyisms” after a brief “Paul Johnson” moment against the Phillies,
4) JF is the only one with the lucky turkey shorts,
5) JF has some pictures of BC
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 3rd, 2009
5:02 pm
RJB, your comment is only valid if you actually think this 2009 Braves team can compete. I don’t believer they can, I won’t believe it, they can’t and this little four game blurb won’t influence my opinion one bit. This team is finished. Stick a fork in our Braves, they’re done!
jason
July 3rd, 2009
5:03 pm
if we can’t find a team looking to do a salary dump, we’re just not trying hard enough
Gone Viral, the problem with that statement is ATL itself can not take on ny payroll either.
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
5:07 pm
Yeah. But gee-wiz, it’s only the beginning of July, and he missed some time, what with the DL stint and everything.
Oh, I’m not talking about being tired and worn down in a long term way for the season, just temporarily from playing in this oppressive Southern heat so many games in a row. It’s like when I played high school basketball. Our coach would work us like dogs everyday running suicides to the point I’d lose my hops and couldn’t do anything but standard white man dunks. But then if he’d relent and give us two days off, my hops would snap back, and I could get creative again in my dunking.
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 3rd, 2009
5:07 pm
Nolie
As a former scout, can you teach a player to improve his bat speed.
monty
July 3rd, 2009
5:08 pm
Yeh, let’s get us a clean cut, white guy, SS who can’t hit but plays with a business like “cool reserve”(passionless). But at least he does it the “Braves way”. He will fit right in with the rest of the boring lot. I mean good grief it’s not like Eunell is a thug! I heard the other day that BAbe Ruth used to walk across the street when the Yanks were batting at this one particular ball park and gobbled down 2-3 hotdogs and wash them down with a cold one. Where has all the color gone?
Shamus Thacker
July 3rd, 2009
5:08 pm
Last night was te most fun I’ve ever had here.
I didn’t post alot, but y’all were all so entertaini8ng it was really fun juts to watch.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
5:08 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust), Whether or not we can contend this year or not is no reason to give a divisional opponet more ammo when we expext to compete next year. We will be just handicapping ourselves next year and the possible year after. Who are you proposing that ATL will recieve in said trade? It will have to be more than just prospects. Because if not we will have the same problem next year with not having the clean up hitter we are looking for. I also have a feeling that Philly will not be able to take on a lot of payroll either.
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July 3rd, 2009
5:09 pm
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Gone Viral
July 3rd, 2009
5:09 pm
“Gone Viral, the problem with that statement is ATL itself can not take on ny payroll either.”
It’s not the problem I had expected it to be. Pittsburgh had to give the Yankees payroll relief for them to take Hinske. That’s not a typo. Pittsburgh, a small market team, gave money to the largest market team in the game. Teams looking to dump salary know they’re going to have to make concessions this time due to the economy. Getting rid of some payroll is better to them than getting rid of none.
N8
July 3rd, 2009
5:09 pm
I’ve seen so many people, when praising Vazquez’s turnaround, state that he is a NL pitcher, and that’s where he belongs.
I’ve also seen many people state that even if we trade Vazquez and STILL make the playoffs, we will “miss him” come playoff time.
I wonder if those people realize that IF we make the WS this year with Vazquez on the roster, that in the WS we’d have to face and American League team?
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
July 3rd, 2009
5:10 pm
GTSteve
Did I see on a post of yours some time back….that you used to be a assistant manager at a strip club?
Damn, that seems like a awesome job to have with SO MANY benefits…*evil grin*
Jim
July 3rd, 2009
5:10 pm
Going to the Mississippi Braves site and seeing Heyward and Freeman on the roster is some really good news. I would think that it should send some kind of message to Francouer and Kotchman also.
njbraves
July 3rd, 2009
5:10 pm
Coach….your message has been given to Bobby and he is now aware that he will be ripped a new butt hole during this evening’s game.
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 3rd, 2009
5:11 pm
Shamus Thacker, Your question is ignorant at best and laughable at worst. Lowe or Vasquez in a big game? DUH! NO-BRAINER. Derek Lowe. The dude has ten post season starts with an ERA of 3.33. Vasquez has two with an ERA of 10.34……end of story.
FaninFaytown
July 3rd, 2009
5:11 pm
maybe im totally wrong but i don’t recall that many african americans in “extreme sports” either
Gone Viral
July 3rd, 2009
5:12 pm
“I wonder if those people realize that IF we make the WS this year with Vazquez on the roster, that in the WS we’d have to face and American League team?”
So, your argument is that we should trade him since he would help us win two playoff series and only the World Series games we’d play at home, something it would be easy to set the rotation to do?
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
July 3rd, 2009
5:13 pm
Coach
Yeah, well….ya know they say…there’s always a first time for everything.
So let’s say the Braves make it to the post season…..with the way JV is pitching this year….,,,,he could definately well dominate this time in the post season.
glord
July 3rd, 2009
5:14 pm
Is it possible that FW DLed Kelly so Bobby Could NOT play him even if he wanted? Kind of like taking all the beer out of an alcoholics fridge.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
5:14 pm
Gone Viral, I will give you that. Eventhough I don’t quite understand how PITT trades a player to NY and pays $.50 per every dollar that NY will pay said player. I just don’t get that.
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 3rd, 2009
5:14 pm
Jim
July 3rd, 2009
5:10 pm
Going to the Mississippi Braves site and seeing Heyward and Freeman on the roster is some really good news. I would think that it should send some kind of message to Francouer and Kotchman also.
Francouer probably still thinks he is a superstar.
Pete
July 3rd, 2009
5:14 pm
jason: “With all the trade JV stuff, I was thinking he would be a fit with LA. Innings eater to take some innings off that BP. We could get a good young OF (Ethier/ Kemp).”
Being a Dodger fan, thats a very intriguing thought. But both Ethier and Kemp are only 24-25 and making relatively little $ (JV is 33 July 25 and making $11.5 Mil) so I dont think LA will make that deal. Last year many teams were after both, and LA made it clear they are building their team around those 2 and 1B James Loney. My guess is Wren would make that offer and LA would decline.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
5:15 pm
Gone Viral, and either way, ATL will be adding more payroll; somthing they said that they can not do.
glord
July 3rd, 2009
5:15 pm
Jason
Its better than releasing him and paying the whole $1.00.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
5:15 pm
Braveheart–
Yeah, that’s a point (sorry…with the whole basketball thing, I couldn’t resist). The Braves have no more day’s off until the ASB now…he shoulda sat the day before or the day after their last day off…that might have helped more than the one day off did.
Ha, and after the ASG, this year the Braves only day off before the season starts up again. Well, I did wonder why the Braves didn’t get those shorter breaks the last couple of years…guess I’m getting what I wanted this year…
How come I get what I ask for with things like that, but if I want, oh say…an RBI double, it takes forever?
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
July 3rd, 2009
5:16 pm
jason
My bad….altho I do know there has been a lot of talk about sending *The Natural* down which wouldn’t help one damn bit.
I agree…..they send him to Timbucto(sp) or farther away from Atlanta.
glord
July 3rd, 2009
5:17 pm
Maybe the Natural will hurt his wrist.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
5:17 pm
Frank–
You want an “evil grin”?
Just typed “twisted”, without the quotations of course, between two colons.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
5:17 pm
Pete, I agree. While I was talking as they JV/ Kemp) would be the principles in the trade with other players thrown in, I see your point.
With this economic climate it will be interesting to see what if any deals will be made.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
5:18 pm
It would be funny if my eye-rolling emoticons were out of sink…
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
July 3rd, 2009
5:18 pm
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
5:18 pm
There are a lack of college baseball scholarships in baseball. Only 12.5 to go around for 25 or 30 players, and those 12.5 are usually split into partial scholarships between different players. College baseball gets no fame. In college basketball and football, you are famous and catered to if you are really good at a young age. Upon entering the NBA and NFL, you are instantly famous and often very rich. In baseball, you often toil in anonymity in the minors until the age of 25, and don’t make any real money until your six years of service time are up when you are around 30 years old, right about the time NBA and NFL careers are ending. Things are changing due to the internet, the sabermetricians, broadcasting the draft, more exposure for the CWS, and so on. We now know the names of young baseball players more than we ever did, but they’re still not getting paid, and there is still a high failure rate while they are toiling in underpaid anonymity. If scouts, recruiters, and reporters were banging down momma’s door, and if momma knew her son was gonna be famous and well compensated in money and/or scholarship at the age of 17, she’d put a bat, ball, and glove in her kid’s hands at the age of 7. But that’s not so, so baseball is losing the best athletes to other sports. Make whatever you will out of that from a racial standpoint.
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 3rd, 2009
5:19 pm
McFann :Ô:
I think the fact that Francoeur sucks so bad is mentally effecting our beloved McCann. He doesn’t want to tear it up and make his best friend look even worse.
We need to get rid of Francoeur NOW!
jason
July 3rd, 2009
5:19 pm
glord, True, but if you take $5 mill that would equal $2.5 mil. That is still added payroll.
Pete
July 3rd, 2009
5:20 pm
jason: “Baseball Man, Just an idea. ATL is carrying 13 pitchers, right? Just send one down, and bring up Sammons. Then you could pinch hit Ross in those crucial situations when you need some power off the bench.”
Agree, Jason. I can recall back in the 60’s-70’s a team would carry a max of 10 pitchers. Having 13 is silly in my opinion, and seriously limits your PH capabilities late in the game. Not just the Braves Im talking about; many teams carry more pitchers than position players.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
July 3rd, 2009
5:20 pm
Thanks McFann
semiballcoach
July 3rd, 2009
5:22 pm
braves need 13 the way bobby abuses the bullpen, but protects the starters
jason
July 3rd, 2009
5:22 pm
And you wonder why PITT hasn’t won crap in 15 years….
Pete
July 3rd, 2009
5:23 pm
Baseball Man: “Jason – when you think of 13 pitchers you really need to think of 7 because 5 are starters. if a starter is hurt while warming up before a game or in the 1st inning, then the bullpen is forced to work the whole game.”
How many times does that happen? Carrying more pitchers than position players is wrong in my opinion.
semiballcoach
July 3rd, 2009
5:24 pm
braveheart–those limits are only on div. I baseball…..not many limits on junior colleges, etc.
Robert(Chipper Is The Best)
July 3rd, 2009
5:24 pm
If I had to guess I’d say it is more likely that Vasquez gets traded than Escobar only because pitchers tend to yield more in return. The question is where could he go and what would he bring.
Now, I can see where a Victor Martinez deal could happen. If they decide to let Cliff Lee go they could be willing to let Martinez go as well if it brought a pitcher like Vasques.
The Blue Jays are a possibility but it would have to be for Alex Rios and is he a big enough impact player?
The White Sox could be willing to take him back in exchange for Dye but alot of that would depend on how Ozzie felt about that. I don’t think he was Vasquez’s biggest fan.
The Tigers are a possibility but they would have to eat some of Ordonez’s contract which would kind of negate the need to trade him.
The Rangers are one of the more real possibilities to me. I think a guy like Marlon Byrd along with a very good prospect may be hard to turn down.
The Dodgers are a team who needs pitching but unless they are giving up Andre Eithier which I highly doubt I don’t see it.
The Cards and Cubs could use the pitching but I don’t think either one has a quality enough OF bat to justify giving up Vasquez.
The Astros are a possibility but would the addition of Vasquez be enough to supplement the loss of a Carlos Lee?
The Brewers need pitching but Corey Hart sure as hell isn’t a big impact bat and I don’t see them giving up Ryan Braun.
I just don’t know if a good enough deal could get done. Now, if the Braves are out of it then a trade of Vasquez is an entirely different story becuase an impact bat wouldn’t necessarily be needed as much as some good quality young players would be.
Carroll Rogers
July 3rd, 2009
5:24 pm
Be prepared for red caps tonight, and the whole weekend….with the Stars and Stripey script A on them….
jason
July 3rd, 2009
5:25 pm
Pete, I think that was a misprint. I was going by what someone else said in a debate. ATL only carries 12. As to teams only carried 10 back in the day. Let’s just say players are alot more softer in today’s game with pitchcounts and such. You have your closer, and your set up man, and your set up man’s setup man, etc.
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 3rd, 2009
5:25 pm
I wonder if Heyward or Freeman will play tonight.
Coach (2010 or best)
July 3rd, 2009
5:25 pm
N8, just give it up my friend. Most of the bloggers in here wanting to keep Vasquez are the same fat, drunk, bare chested, beer swilling idiots we see at every game in the upper deck, inhabiting the cheap nose bleed seats.
The issue of Tim Hudson and Javier Vasquez is the exact type of discussion which separates the knowledgeable fans from the herd of drunk’s. You can’t talk good sense to a bull. All he want’s to do is chew his cud, and stomp and snort. Get the whip out and snap it at the stupid beast until he moves his lazy ass
dgd
July 3rd, 2009
5:26 pm
Darn–I was afraid Heyward and Freeman might get promoted soon–and I’m going to be in Myrtle Beach next week and had hoped to see them. Still, it does make sense to see what they can do in a half season of AA…