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jason
July 3rd, 2009
2:34 pm
JJ, That’s what I was afraid of. I know once past the deadline player have to clear waivers and all. Medlen would be our only option. I am not to crazy about having both him and Hanson in the rotation in the middle of a pennant chase. And JV is our only strikeout pitcher.
I think BC and FW are discussing the pros and cons of losing JV. I don’t think he will be dealt. I do think that they will have to listen to offers though. And right now, I think if he has to be dealt, the best place would be LA.
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
2:34 pm
Coldwork
No one doubts the major lack of power on this team, but who replaces Vazquez in the rotation? Medlen or Reyes?
Epinephrine
Yeah that blurb about Jeff is kinda sad… dude is worth less than a bag of balls. Hopefully he is non-tendered at season’s end (or demoted to Gwinnett before then). Of course, if he is demoted, then I’d assume Wren is cooking up a trade.
Lou Vales
July 3rd, 2009
2:35 pm
Does anyone look differently upon Hudson after the thing with Dave?? That was a punk a## thing to do and there is something about punk a##es.
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
2:35 pm
The Braves are only rich in the pitching department because they have Vazquez. Without him, it’s not that great.
KJ+Frenchy=Garbage
July 3rd, 2009
2:35 pm
MLB trade rumors reports The Braves are trying to deal Jeff Francoeur everywhere, but no one’s interested. One front-office guy says his team would be interested if Francoeur’s non-tendered.
Officials are divided on whether Yunel Escobar could be dealt, but a trade is unlikely at best.
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
2:37 pm
Also, I saw Ben Sheets name come up as a fallback if we traded Vazquez –
Stark is reporting that Sheets likely isn’t available at all this season.
Bobby's Cox
July 3rd, 2009
2:38 pm
Jason,
Javy has a no trade clause to AL & NL west teams. Texas really isn’t on the West Coast, and while LA is, they’re playoff bound unless they totally collapse. Texas also scores a lot of runs, something that’s making him frustrated. And, Texas is in a divisional race like we are. He may waive the clause, for any of those 2 teams, but who knows. Texas being a hitters park, he may not like that, while LA is a pitchers park…Just some factors he may consider, but this is all just speculation anyway.
I think we wait until the trade deadline. That’s when teams are most desperate, plus it gives us more time to further evaluate our team (How Huddy pitches in rehab games, can Medlen continue to pitch well, has this team really turned a corner, etc…) As DOB says, some times these decisions take care of themselves. I would be surprised to see a deal so soon.
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
2:38 pm
Lou Vales
I was disappointed that Hudson reacted that way, but as DOB himself has pointed out – the dude has some fire, and that’s a good thing. I’m sure Hudson knows he overreacted.
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
2:39 pm
Braveheart – I totally agree. I’d prefer the Braves moved Escobar for a big bat versus Vazquez… but that doesn’t really work either. (1) I love Esco and think he can be an asset for years if he can get his head out of his ass, (2) who replaces him at SS? Diory is not a longterm option.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
2:40 pm
After reading flange 1 and cb’s posts, there might not be a taker for JV and I would be great with that.I now have to withdraw my proposed JV to LA deal. With the economic situation, FW is going to have to be creative in finding some offense. This year the trade deadline is going to be weak.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 3rd, 2009
2:40 pm
I watched the game on the net last night and I’m here at work and can’t stop watching the highlites from last night’s game…Man that was awesome…
And a tip of the caps to the fans who came out in pretty decent numbers all home-stand and who had the chant going during Anderson’s at-bat…that gave me chills, haven’t heard that in a while!
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 3rd, 2009
2:41 pm
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
2:35 pm
The Braves are only rich in the pitching department because they have Vazquez. Without him, it’s not that great.
Yo Dude……Step away from the ledge. It’s not time to jump just yet. I got a straight jacket, some Valium and a nice padded room for you , OK?
Nova Scotia Steve
July 3rd, 2009
2:41 pm
Does anybody realize Escobar is only making $425,000 this year…why in God’s name to people keep harping on trading him…It’s absolutely insane…
Again $425,000!!!!!!
jason
July 3rd, 2009
2:42 pm
Bobby’s Cox, Good reply. I was thinking that JV wouldn’t like Texas because of the “Hitter’s Park” and also because of the heat. I know it gets hot in Atlanta, but it’s no Texas. I live in San Antonio and it has been over 100 almost daily since late May.
Bobby's Cox
July 3rd, 2009
2:43 pm
Yeah that blurb about Jeff is kinda sad… dude is worth less than a bag of balls
At this point, he’s worth less than his turkey panties.
cphizzle
July 3rd, 2009
2:44 pm
ok exuse me on this fellas but what exactly did happen between DOB and huddy?
JJ
July 3rd, 2009
2:44 pm
Didn’t someone on here post some stats on Javy that suggested this was essentially a career year for him? It was a few weeks ago and I seem to remember the stats being BAA and WHIP and maybe even ERA. Showed that this year was significantly better than his career avgs I believe. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
If not, I would be a little cautious before I penciled him in at his current rates for the rest of this season and beyond. I love the way he’s pitching, but it may be better to sell high rather than hold him if there’s a chance he’ll come back some.
I don’t know, just throwning it out there.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
2:44 pm
Nova Scotia Steve, It’s not the money. It’s the attitude. Yunel is on BC’s bad side. If Yunel is dealt (hopefully not) it will be to kick his arse out of town. Nothing else. They are trying to find the right fit. They can’t just release him or trade him for nothing.
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
2:45 pm
Cooch, explain what is so deep about the rotation without Vazquez? A pair of rookies starting? A pair of vets with 4+ ERAs? A 34 year old coming off major friggin’ arm surgery? Ayoung good starting pitcher who battled with fatigue in the second half last season, and who is being pushed really hard this season? Knockahoma, puh-leeze.
KJ+Frenchy=Garbage
July 3rd, 2009
2:45 pm
I wouldnt mind a Javy for Cruz and Holland deal lol
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 3rd, 2009
2:48 pm
Bobby’s Cox, did you see Frenchy’s at bat in the sixth inning last night? We have already blogged extensively about it. The Dude is done, finished.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
2:48 pm
JJ, good point on JV and his career. I think JV has turned a corner. I think while although that this is a career year for him, I see him being good for a while. Maybe not this good, but good. Some pitchers with good stuff don’t necessarrly know how to pitch at first. We know JV has good stuff, maybe he has finally learned how to pitch. I wish ATL would have went and got him when the Expos dealt him. It was known then that JV wanted to pitch here and pitch under BC.
JJ
July 3rd, 2009
2:48 pm
Nova Scotia –
I’m not sure ANYONE really WANTS to trade Esco. The talk is coming mostly from the rumors that he doesn’t fit in anymore or get along well(based on the BC way of doing things). I certainly don’t want to trade him. But if it’s a possiblity or even a probability, then I hope that FW gets a kings ransom for him. He’s a heck of a talent, young, and inexpensive. Don’t find many SS like that that are available.
a643dp
July 3rd, 2009
2:48 pm
Salamander – I missed what hudson did could you copy and paste comment or just tell me around when DOB posted the issue.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
2:49 pm
Salamander, I am curious also.
Thrillhouse44
July 3rd, 2009
2:49 pm
Braveheart, don’t forget that JoJo will come off the DL sometime soon and Parr is the next coming of Marty Clary.
Baseball Man
July 3rd, 2009
2:50 pm
If I am FW, I am looking to dump Francine for anything and trade for someone like Willingham or Ross. I really think that if you can find someone that can hit over .270 and provide decent defense then thats better than what we got in RF so far.
If you want to fix it enternally, I suggested sending Francine to the minors and bring up B. Jones to platoon with Anderson and send Diaz to RF. When Infante comes back put him in CF and move MCClouth to RF. then send B. Jones back to the minors and move Diaz back to platoon with Anderson. What yall think.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
2:51 pm
And yes, Hernandez is not the answer at SS. I think he would make a great defensive 2B, and a utility player such as Infante. His arm is not of a MLB SS, and his range plays better at 2B? Just my 2 cents.
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 3rd, 2009
2:51 pm
I think we have another imposter in the blog. The idiot posting as Braveheart isn’t that guy. The sh!t he’s posting is to stupid to even reply too.
Bobby's Cox
July 3rd, 2009
2:53 pm
I side with Braveheart. Even if we got a good hitter for Vasquez, I like the team more the way it is now. I really like that our staff has lots of high strike out guys. You take out Vasquez, and you lose a lot of K’s. Power pitchers are important in the post season. I know Javy hasn’t had the best postseason success, but he looks like a totally different pitcher this year.
Our offense can still be productive with Francouer in RF. We took out a struggling bat, and still have McClouth benched, Chipper and Mac not hitting well, and Infante on the DL. Bobby can put together good lineups by rotating Diaz, Infante, Frenchy in RF. I’d rather have that than to sacrifice a pitcher like Vasquez.
Problem is, Javy’s value may never be higher. This is a tricky situation, but Wren’s made good decisions so far, so I’ll trust him in this one too.
Carroll Rogers
July 3rd, 2009
2:55 pm
Lineup: McLouth is back in the lineup….
1. McLouth CF
2. Prado 2B
3. Jones 3B
4. McCann C
5. Escobar SS
6. Diaz LF
7. Francoeur RF
8. Kotchman 1B
9. Kawakami P
coach smith
July 3rd, 2009
2:55 pm
To trade VAZQUEZ Wren would HAVE to get an ALL-STAR calibre Bat who is under contract for a few years AND another prospect or bench type player
To trade ESCOBAR Wren would have to get an ALL-STAR bat who is controllable AND either a few prospects OR another “good player”
I would NOT trade Escobar for any reason (too good and cheap for too long) and to trade Vazquez we’d have to get ALOT before I’d do it
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
2:56 pm
a643dp
Hudson reacted to the Griffey deal that got botched… supposedly, part of the reason the deal (thankfully) fell through is because DOB posted the story before it was a done deal, and Griffey didn’t like it. I wonder if Griffey (or perhaps his agent) was ever really serious about coming to ATL. By courting the Braves, the Mariners had to give him a better offer.
Anyway, it was during spring training… maybe around early March? Whenever the Griffey debacle went down.
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
2:56 pm
Jason–
I would mainly have BMac sit tonight because there’s a lefty pitching. I know he cann hit lefties–or at least, he’s hit them in the past…this year he’s only hitting .238 against them.
RHR–
Yeah, McCann’s prob’ly gonna play today and get tomorrow off–whichever, though, doesn’t matter to me.
Chipper, yeah, I say give him a day off, too–the day that BMac plays, let Chipper sit. (Although, having them both out at the same time might give this lineup an extra boost!
)
jason
July 3rd, 2009
2:56 pm
Baseball Man, 2 lefties in a platoon in LF? JF is untradable. Plus why not platoon Jones in RF with MattyD. Loaf will always be rested by moving Diaz to LF. Also Infante is not an everyday OF, much less a CF. You would be better off keeping Blanco up. We need to go outside of the organization, but who and what deal? Willingham is a defensive liability along the lines of Dunn. Taht’s why they are on the block. Ross, don’t think the fish are going to help us out. I like LA, but what will we have to give for a Kemp or Ethier?
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
2:59 pm
Problem is, Javy’s value may never be higher. This is a tricky situation, but Wren’s made good decisions so far, so I’ll trust him in this one too. Bobby’s Cox
Not a problem – Wren can move him during the offseason when his value should still be high (assuming Vazquez doesn’t lose it in the 2nd half). That will give Wren time to find a suitable replacement in the rotation.
Hawk01
July 3rd, 2009
2:59 pm
Why would the Braves try to trade Escobar based on the following:
Runners In Scoring Position (RISP) : AVG. 406
RISP WITH 2 OUTS: AVG. 409
Does not make sense. Also statistically of all MLB shortstops he has been rated # 7 overall. We better get a starter for him. He will be an All star if he leaves the Braves. RISP for Francouer is .262
Here is the latest from mlbrumors.com:
•The Braves are trying to deal Jeff Francoeur everywhere, but no one’s interested. One front-office guy says his team would be interested if Francoeur’s non-tendered.
•Officials are divided on whether Yunel Escobar could be dealt, but a trade is unlikely at best.
Hard to trade Francouer when he is worthless.
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
2:59 pm
2 friggin’ games out and they let it be known they’re thinking hard about trading their best pitcher and their best all around player? Now that’s what I call a burning desire to win. Some genius marketing right there as well. We’re only two games out, but we’re selling two of our best, but make sure you come out to the park and support us. As the Seinfeld SNL skit goes, who are the ad wizards who came up with this one? Where are they gonna find two players as valuable as Escobar and Vazquez for a combined $12 million?
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
3:00 pm
Thanks for the lineup, Ms. Rogers! Wow, they got it up quick today!
Glad to see McLouth back! But Blanco did a very good job filling in for him. (Almost Rossesque, but not quite…)
OK, so my last post is totally insignificant now. Great timing on my part.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:00 pm
McFann, sad but true. (Although, having them both out at the same time might give this lineup an extra boost! )
That was my though about sitting BMac today/night. The lefty matchup. It lets Ross get some ABs, and he has not disapointed me at all this year. I am going to go out on a limb and say McCann sits when Hanson pitches.
Jus Sayin
July 3rd, 2009
3:00 pm
Does anybody realize Escobar is only making $425,000 this year…why in God’s name to people keep harping on trading him…It’s absolutely insane…
Because he’s a young headstrong Latino man and that scares certain people including all of those wanting to trade him. He doesn’t fit the buttoned-down mode and so now he’s a “problem”. Who cares is he can play? Who cares if he is cheap? The mindset id trade him in order to show that “we” can still control “them”. As you read the comments about wanting to trade him you can tell it is political, not sports related. It’s about punishment (as if playing on the Braves is somehow a privilege these days) and so you get goofy trades that make no sense for the team given their current payroll.
Jus sayin…
Epinephrine
July 3rd, 2009
3:01 pm
I love what Matty has done for lately, but man, it’s tough to sit Garret so much with how he’s been raking lately, especially when he hits lefties well.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:01 pm
Salamander, Excellent post. That’s what I have been saying, plus you will definitely know where you stand in Huddy’s health.
Jake W.
July 3rd, 2009
3:02 pm
“Does anybody realize Escobar is only making $425,000 this year…why in God’s name to people keep harping on trading him…It’s absolutely insane…”
People keep bringing up the attitude excuse. Unless the guy is really 100 times worse than what we have seen it is insane. We are a team that is about middle of the pack in payroll. We are nowhere near the big boys and still spend plenty more than the likes of the Marlins and Rays. That means that we will probably succeed best with a mix of affordable veteran contracts like that of Chipper and Javy(not cheap but not overly expensive) and young cheap talent like that of JJ and Yunel. We have holes to fill and they are 2nd, RF, and LF. Why not just add another giant hole there and trade a young, cheap, and talented shortstop. Not to mention both of our closers are not signed next year either.
Bobby's Cox
July 3rd, 2009
3:02 pm
Coach,
Have you seen my posts about Frenchy the last 2 years? I know he’s done. I’ve over-analyzed that his swing is too slow for the majors on many occasions. I’m just wanting to see how this team plays up until the deadline with Martin playing everyday, Infante coming back, Hudson’s outings in the minors, etc…before we trade a pitcher that has been so important to us like Vasquez.
This Philly series feels and looks different than the 3-7 game stretch teases the braves put us through the past few years. If I’m wrong then I’ll admit it like I always do. But, I’d like to see it play out a little, and although Frenchy’s D & arm is better than Infante & Diaz’s would be in RF, I’d like to see Cox use those options a little more before we trade a guy like Javy. That’s all I’m saying. I wouldn’t mind it either way. I’d be the happiest man alive if we could pull a guy like Cruz from Texas for instance. 2 man crushes starting on the same team…are you kidding me?
Epinephrine
July 3rd, 2009
3:03 pm
The only ones seriously discussing a trade for Escobar are people on this blog-the same people that wouldn’t trade Vazquez and Esco for Justin Upton, or would like to see a Furcal/Ethier for Javy and Esco, ie, people in La La land. I wouldn’t get too exercised about it.
Bigboi
July 3rd, 2009
3:04 pm
Why is Francine in the lineup tonight?
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:05 pm
It seems that there are alot of people on here with no comprehension skills. Noone wants Yunel to be TRADED. We all want Yunel to stay. There is a problem within the clubhouse that has sparked the need for FW to move Yunel. The problem is not Yunel’s TALENTS; it is his ATTITUDE, or perception of his ATTITUDE by BC and others. Do we all understand now?
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
3:05 pm
Jason–
Yeah…could be another one of “those games” for him…but he does love to prove me wrong, doesn’t he?
I am going to go out on a limb and say McCann sits when Hanson pitches.
He pitches tomorrow, right? Course, I would say that Hanson did good with BMac his last time out, but he’s done good no matter who was catching for him!
[Ross] has not disapointed me at all this year.
……Me neither…
Epinephrine–
Yeah! Why not put Anderson in left, and Matty in right…
Original Jon
July 3rd, 2009
3:05 pm
LOL…….I wouldn’t get too exercised about it!!!!! Damn right Epinephrine.
Jake W.
July 3rd, 2009
3:06 pm
“Not a problem – Wren can move him during the offseason when his value should still be high (assuming Vazquez doesn’t lose it in the 2nd half). That will give Wren time to find a suitable replacement in the rotation.”
Agreed. Javy has another year left on his contract and I think it is comparable to Hudson’s option. It may be better to keep Javy over Huddy or if Hudson comes back strong you have more time to get something for Javy and you will know exactly what needs you have to feel. You will have seen Hanson and Medlen longer and plus you will have seen what Hudson can do.
Frankie Knuckles
July 3rd, 2009
3:06 pm
Lou Vales – Huddy’s a good ol boy. Sometimes we over-react, and yes, sometimes we fight. I’m sure its water under the bridge now. Garret Anderson hasn’t been too shaby at the plate as of late.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 3rd, 2009
3:07 pm
Nice Job Bobby Cox….Matty Diaz deserves another start no matter who’s pitching he played extremely well against Philly….And Nice to see McClouth back…Good lookin line-up
McFann :Ô:
July 3rd, 2009
3:08 pm
Ha! Against lefties this year, McCann’s OBP (.355) is higher than his SLG (.302)!
Nice.
KJ+Frenchy=Garbage
July 3rd, 2009
3:09 pm
Why is Francine in the lineup tonight?
Bigboi
Cause the braves have to stay consitant no matter how bad he is Bobby is just gonna run him out there everynight…… Bobby believes he can turn things around or he wouldnt put him out there every game. thats all i can think of
Chop Chop
July 3rd, 2009
3:09 pm
It will be highly amusing to me if Escobar is traded. I love chaos.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:09 pm
McFann :Ô: Hanson did look good with BMac last Sunday. It must have been that flu bug they had in common.
TennesseePaul
July 3rd, 2009
3:10 pm
Braveheart: “Where are they gonna find two players as valuable as Escobar and Vazquez for a combined $12 million?”
HA! Isn’t that the truth. I keep running through, even without think about the subtraction, who is worth trading for that is going to help this team this year? I really can’t find any one. As soon as you think of a capable player you realize he isn’t available or costs more than you can imagine surrendering. I really don’t know how Wren will “find a bat” that won’t gut the roster or the farm.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 3rd, 2009
3:10 pm
How do you guys know there’s a problem in the clubhouse with Yunel…are you there? do you talk to the players? or Bobby Cox?…Yunel made a couple of mental mistakes…it happens…and he got benched for it and yeah the hip MAY have been sore…like seriously have you ever played baseball?…made the wrong play…got caught sleepin…it happens..all the time to everyone…even the professionals…
a643dp
July 3rd, 2009
3:10 pm
If that is the case Tim needs to thank DOB since we got GA over The Kid (version 2010). GA .287 5HRs and 29RBIs Griffey .219 10HR and 26RBIs. Thanks for the info.
Bobby's Cox
July 3rd, 2009
3:10 pm
Salamander,
that’s what I was hinting at. Javy could get hurt, lose production in the 2nd half (get tired after trying to pitch so perfectly because of no run support), etc…He’s never really pitched this well in his career. It really is another tough decision on Wren’s part. He’s analyzing all this risks i’m sure.
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
3:11 pm
The only ones seriously discussing a trade for Escobar are people on this blog (Epinephrine)
Epi, if it was just mindless blog b.s., I wouldn’t care, I would just mock. But it concerns me greatly that the trade Vazquez, trade Escobar b.s. is being leaked out to us through DOB presumably from somewhere within the organization
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:11 pm
Why is Francine in the lineup tonight?
I will say again, That I think $4Million is alot to set on the bench…
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 3rd, 2009
3:11 pm
Frank Wren – Froget what our manager thinks. Yunel Escobar needs to be a part of the future of this team.
kirkinga
July 3rd, 2009
3:11 pm
2 friggin’ games out and they let it be known they’re thinking hard about trading their best pitcher and their best all around player?
Thank you Braveheart, I thought I was the only one who had that thought. I mean the team has gotten on a little roll and we have people contemplating breaking up the team.
And the answer to your question is that you are likely to find comparable talent.at two critical positions…at that salary level. People seem to think good to very good starting pitching grows on trees. Last season should have taught the Braves and their fans that you should never assume you have too much starting pitching.
Let Escobar be Escobar. Worry about adding talent, not giving it away.
Jake W.
July 3rd, 2009
3:11 pm
“It seems that there are alot of people on here with no comprehension skills. Noone wants Yunel to be TRADED. We all want Yunel to stay. There is a problem within the clubhouse that has sparked the need for FW to move Yunel. The problem is not Yunel’s TALENTS; it is his ATTITUDE, or perception of his ATTITUDE by BC and others. Do we all understand now?”
How about some people don’t understand the whole “attitude” excuse when you are a team that is in the Braves position. Do you understand the Braves are a middle of the pack team in terms of payroll and they have invested most of their money in staring pitching so letting go of a guy like Escobar who is not only talented but CHEAP would make no sense at all in the grand scheme of things. Besides as an organization the Braves basically comitted themselves to him when they traded Andrus and then Renteria.
Hawk01
July 3rd, 2009
3:12 pm
We can not get anthing for Francouer right now so he has to either sit or go to AAA. We all know that Booby Cox and Wren will not do that either. The only way to trade him would be to pay part of his salary and he would not be the main player in the deal.
DevilInLaw
July 3rd, 2009
3:12 pm
Anderson hits a 2-run bomb last night to seal the Braves victory and his reward tonight is sitting on the bench and watching Failcoeur start. … Simply horrible. … I think I’m going to be sick.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 3rd, 2009
3:12 pm
I’m sorry but i’m really gettin tired of this…
Like DOB said last night Diory Hernandex WOULD NOT have made that diving catch up the middle against Utley…which would have led to a run(s)…it makes absolutely no sense to trade Escobar it would make us a lesser team…sometimes you just have to deal with player personalities…sometimes its easy…sometimes its not…
Chop Chop
July 3rd, 2009
3:13 pm
I’d trade Vazquez in a heartbeat.
Why?
I didn’t think he’d be this good. Get him off the team and, hey, he won’t have a chance to continue to prove me wrong. It’s a win-win, baby.
KJ+Frenchy=Garbage
July 3rd, 2009
3:13 pm
I thought last night was a sign the Jeff would be on the bench for a while…… put Loaf in LF and Diaz in right for a few nights let Jeff sit his ass on the pine and watch maybe he’ll learn how to play again.
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
3:13 pm
It will be highly amusing to me if Escobar is traded. I love chaos. (CHOP CHOP)
Oh, it will be fugly around here. Not that I’ll know. If they trade Escobar, I’ll be done with them for the rest of the season.
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
3:14 pm
And while we’re talking about who to move to add the mythical “big bat” – who the hell does Wren trade for?
Holliday? Do we even match up with the A’s? Don’t they want prospects? That’s a lot of money to take on for a guy who looks like a nice (but not elite) player outside of Colorado.
Who else? A lot of teams are looking for bats, and I’m not convinced an elite bat is going to get moved for anything other than high-ceiling prospects.
I want Wren to add a bat, but I don’t see where such a player would come from, and for who without (1) weakening the ML club by moving a starter, or (2) giving up talented (cheap) players.
It almost looks better to stand pat and let this season ride out without adding a bat.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:14 pm
Nova Scotia Steve, I just know about the Yunel thing from I don’t know… reading the blog,and watching the games. Something is said daily, by Simpson and Boog, and also DOB. Go back and find DOB’s post. Page 2 I think . He says JV and YE are bein discussed in possible trades.
JJ
July 3rd, 2009
3:15 pm
Nova Scotia –
Don’t get all riled up. The point was that it’s been rumored that he was being shopped around. It was on ESPN today in their rumors section. The rumor happens to be that he doesn’t fit in or is in the ole HOFers doghouse and the Braves are trying to trade him. You act as if the folks talking about it here WANT to trade him. I don’t think that’s the case at all. I certainly don’t. But if it’s a possiblity, why not discuss the value we could get in return? That’s all.
Loyal Homer
July 3rd, 2009
3:15 pm
Guys,
Here is my blog on who will be the best addition to a contending team before the trading deadline. Who will make the biggest impact?
I saw Matt Holliday and my partner makes a case for Freddy Sanchez.
http://www.thesportsdebates.com
For the record, a trade of Vazquez by our Braves is not the answer…I don’t think. Puts a lot of pressure on Hudson for sure.
Bigboi
July 3rd, 2009
3:16 pm
i agree with Jus Sayin 3:00 post, same was true with David Justice. He still had a lot of life left but we couldn’t let “them” think “they” could act however they wanted to and get away with it.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:16 pm
David O’Brien
July 3rd, 2009
11:34 am
Quick drop-in on Carroll’s blog. I forgot to mention that when I got to the ballpark yesterday, Bobby Cox and Frank Wren were holed up in the office for more than an hour. No doubt in my mind they’re seriously trying to make a move.
Name I keep hearing, because it’s a position of strength for the Braves and he’s so attractive to other teams, is Javier Vazquez. With Hudson expected back in mid-August, Braves don’t want to trade Vazquez but realize they might be able to get an impact player in return if they do. And not a guy who’s going to be a free agent.
Nova Scotia Steve, here you go, just one example.
I’m also hearing that Escobar’s continued misadventures have made him a legit possibility to be moved, despite the fact he’s so affordable for at least a couple more seasons (not even eligible for arb until after next season).
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"Chef" Tim Dix
July 3rd, 2009
3:16 pm
Trading Vazquez during this season is just insane. Hudsons already stated that he “feels it more” throwing his off speed stuff. That’s totally normal in this phase of his comeback and I have no doubts he will return to form or better. Just don’t bank on it for the stretch run.
Javy will get you more value in the off season if the Braves can resign a heathy Hudson.
BTW, I believe that the Braves are looking for offense at first base and Kotch would fit better in other lineups. Thats where I believe the upgrade will come as the market for corner OF is thin.
Supes
July 3rd, 2009
3:17 pm
Epi,
you need to “chill out a bit”. Yes I do watch a lot of other teams. I’m not just a “stats guy”. Over the last year or two I’ve seen plenty of Upton and Reynolds and I NO I still wouldn’t do that deal.
that’s how HIGHLY I value Yunel Escobar right now.
give me the list of up and coming close to all star level shortstops who make less than 500,000K and will be under team control till 2013?
Still with me?
Mark Reynolds has tremendous power. I saw it first hand when the D’backs were in town and he just flat out CRUSHED a ball to deep left field that almost went into the 2nd deck. However, he strikes out way too much and doesn’t hit enough for average. There are holes in his swing.
I believe that Cody Johnson eventually will be a “Mark Reynolds” for us in 2-3 years time, so I’ll just wait on that one.
Upton has a very high ceiling. So does Escobar. Braves are have depth with OF prospects…plus McLouth and Schafer. Where do you play Heyward? Johnson? God knows who else develops in a year or two that maybe the next big hotshot prospect with a HIGH seiling.
So before you go jumping off the “couch” and pronounce judgement on others how about you agree to disagree without being such a drama queen.
semiballcoach
July 3rd, 2009
3:18 pm
justice was gone as soon as he made the negative/true comments on atlanta fans
KJ+Frenchy=Garbage
July 3rd, 2009
3:18 pm
Stark form ESPN wrote
• Frenchy toast: Here’s how one front-office man describes the Braves’ efforts to export Jeff Francoeur: “They’re trying to peddle him everywhere. They’re calling people all over baseball. But nobody’s biting. Right now, he’s about as ugly as he can get offensively. He’s the kind of guy we’d think about taking a gamble on over the winter — if he gets non-tendered and you could take him for a very low base. But right now, I think they’re stuck with him.”
• It’s got to be Yunel: On another front, how willing are the Braves to deal Yunel Escobar now that he’s journeyed deep into Bobby Cox’s doghouse? Depends on whom you ask. An executive of one team reports: “They’re not moving him. He still figures in their plans for next year, and they’ve got him for low dollars.” But an official of another team that inquired says the response was “a very, very wobbly maybe.” Realistically, though, the Braves have no other feasible options at shortstop. So an Escobar trade seems highly unlikely, no matter how unhappy the manager might be with him.
Baseball Man
July 3rd, 2009
3:18 pm
I really think FW has done a great job thus far, but the truth is he dropped the ball on not getting Derosa.
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
3:20 pm
DeRosa cost the Cards two young talented players AND ~$3 million in cash for the rest of his contract.
Wren didn’t drop the ball – DeRosa is not an elite power hitter, and his price-tag was pretty high.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:21 pm
How about some people don’t understand the whole “attitude” excuse when you are a team that is in the Braves position. Do you understand the Braves are a middle of the pack team in terms of payroll and they have invested most of their money in staring pitching so letting go of a guy like Escobar who is not only talented but CHEAP would make no sense at all in the grand scheme of things. Besides as an organization the Braves basically comitted themselves to him when they traded Andrus and then Renteria.
I totally agree, but I don’t have a problem with Yunel; BC and some others do. I like Yunel, I don’t want him trade, but he will be. Just a matter of time. If not this season; it will be before next.
Bigboi
July 3rd, 2009
3:21 pm
Even if Yunel is in Donks doghouse, Yunel has many good years left and Donk is done after this year. So who do you keep Yunnie or Donk? My guess is Yunnie
Baseball Man
July 3rd, 2009
3:21 pm
I bet if FW could get Liberty to take on about $5 million extra dollars he could ask Dayton to take Frcanouer for Guillian. Royals save money and Braves get rid of Failcour. Gosh I never imagined this kid would suck so bad.
Baseball Man
July 3rd, 2009
3:22 pm
Salamander – It would be worth anything to get automatic out Failcour out of the line-up
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 3rd, 2009
3:23 pm
Escobar is more important to this team both now and in the future than Bobby Cox. I truly believe Frank Wren understands this. Keeping Escobar might make Bobby Cox retire. I will think positive thoughts.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 3rd, 2009
3:23 pm
Jason….I watch every game man…and am on this blog everyday as well…and I’ve never heard Simpson or Boog talk about trading Escobar or JV….its all been on this blog….and I’ve seen limited material on MLB trade rumors…
Braveheart
July 3rd, 2009
3:23 pm
They’re not getting Upton, but, yes, I’d trade them Escobar for Upton straight up, and I’d ask them to give me a little something off the pile of the cocaine they’re snorting when they agree to that trade.
Frankie Knuckles
July 3rd, 2009
3:23 pm
In Wrens defense, in my humble opinion, he has been cutthroat at a time when the organization needed it most and shrewd. It must be tough making trades when other organizations know how depth of your farm.
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 3rd, 2009
3:25 pm
Carroll
Did Campillo have shoulder surgery, of so was it a torn labrum
Hawk01
July 3rd, 2009
3:25 pm
Look at the salaries of some of the most valuable talent we have. The Braves are getting a bargain for sure and none of these guys should be going anywhere. Look at the useless ones below.
Escobar $425K (A Bargain)
Ross $1,400,000 (A Bargain)
Prado $415K (A Bargain)
Diaz $1.237,500 (A Bargain)
Infante $1,850,000 (A Bargain)
McLouth $2,500,000 (A Bargain)
Then you have the two below:
Francouer $3,375,000
Johnson $2,825,000
Baseball Man
July 3rd, 2009
3:26 pm
If any trade happens soon it will not be spectulated by the media anytime soon. Everyone is gone for the holiday weekend. Most of what you are reading is coming from other days rumors that are being reoposted with today’s date.
Salamander
July 3rd, 2009
3:26 pm
Gosh I never imagined this kid [Jeff] would suck so bad.
I don’t think anyone did… its actually pretty sad that Jeff is wasting his talent to this extent. Dude just doesn’t have a good approach to hitting – never did, and I’m skeptical he ever will develop one.
What burns me is how Jeff is still in the lineup almost every friggin day. I’d prefer to see Diaz make mistakes in RF than have Jeff’s crappy bat making bad outs every night.
jason
July 3rd, 2009
3:27 pm
Nova Scotia Steve, I wasn’t talking about him being traded. I was talking about his attitude, being in BC’s doghouse, and other players, officals having problems with him.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 3rd, 2009
3:27 pm
Jason…yes I read DOB’s post on page 2…its interesting for sure…
The only reason Vazquez may get dealt is cause of Huddy coming back…I don’t think anyone would take Kenshin because of his contract…
I think its a big gamble…God knows what Huddy is going to be like coming into a season pitching in late August – September….tough gamble
Loyal Homer
July 3rd, 2009
3:28 pm
DeRosa wasnt that answer either. Who are we most likely to get rid of, Jeff or Yunel?
Also glad Nate is back in there tonight! And do you guys like Yunel hitting in the 5 hole?
Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar)
July 3rd, 2009
3:28 pm
Nova Scotia Steve
Wren is in a very tough position. When teams call us for a deal they ask for Hanson and Heyward. Wren says they are untouchable. Freeman is most likely off limits too. That is the extent of our farm system. We have talented young pitchers but most are struggling. I really don’t think Wren will trade Escobar. That means Vazquez is the only chip we have. Look how well the Offense has done without Johnson. Take Francoeur out and our problems might be solved