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CB
July 1st, 2009
11:51 am
Lew, two years ago I lost a brother who you remind me of very much. He was crusty like you,lol, and very artistically inclined. He was very much into stained glass artistry and oil paintings. He was well thought of in this part of the country, doing several stained glass works for churchs. You,I think would have liked him, I sure miss him.
DAP
July 1st, 2009
11:51 am
did anyone see escobar in the end game celebration?
Anders
July 1st, 2009
11:51 am
Japanese pipeline isn’t that significant. Latin America has been, and continues to be, much more important to the Braves and others. (JeffR)
Hmm.. I wonder if Minaya is aware of this?
Renegator
July 1st, 2009
11:52 am
If the Braves do trade Escobar (seems inevitable) they better get a MLB SS back in return because Diory Hernandez isn’t going to cut it as our everyday SS. I’d almost rather have KJ or JF at the plate than Diory.
Lamar Banks
July 1st, 2009
11:52 am
Jeff R
July 1st, 2009
11:39 am
I’ll put this out here again. Kawakami may actually have more value at deadline then most think.
I agree with you in the fact to maximize this team’s potential the KK should be the on to go regardless if it offends the Asian market.
wilymo
July 1st, 2009
11:56 am
DOB,
You think Soriano has a legitimate shot of making the All-Star team? I know its tough for guys without the big save totals, but he’s gotta be in the running right?
getsomewins
July 1st, 2009
11:56 am
jason
That would be excellent and Florida could tie Phils for first, and we’d only be 2 out if Braves sweep.
I think the fight we showed from Yankees and Red Sox series is carrying over.
I won’t really know if the Braves have gotten over the hump until the end of the Nationals’ series. When we start beating teams that I think we should beat, then I think we can consider ourselves contenders. I will be sorely disappointed if Braves go to Nationals Park and lose 2 of 3 like they did in April.
Shamus Thacker
July 1st, 2009
11:57 am
“”did anyone see escobar in the end game celebration?”"
He was busy super-gluing Bobby’s office chair.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
July 1st, 2009
11:58 am
Wayne
I’m now in LaJunta Colorado with my mom and step-dad for the time being until I get situated again. I got fired from my job on the 9th there at home and moved out with the folks this last weekend.
Kansas will always be home to me…but maybe my firing is God’s way of saying I need a new and fresh start. Thank god, my folks didn’t like live in California or Texas, or somewhere much farther than Kansas…(LOL).
Thank god Colorado is just a hop, skip and jump from where I was at…..(Lol).
Oh yeah btw…ya know where BFIR (BravesFanInRockies) lives?
BUZZMEAT
July 1st, 2009
11:58 am
was escobar really not in the celebration??? i didnt notice if he was or not.
PWHjort
July 1st, 2009
11:58 am
Statistically Kelly is, and always has been, an average defender. Watching him generally gives that impression as well apart from the errors on routine plays. Statistically Prado is a horrible defender. And watching his misplays and well below-average range confirms the statistics.
getsomewins
July 1st, 2009
11:58 am
So are you all saying that Yunel Escobar is on the trading block? You’d better trade him to Seattle, Minnesota, KC (or any team we won’t have to play on a consistent basis).
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
July 1st, 2009
12:00 pm
Ya know Anders…..when the Mets screw up like they did in 07, and 08…..ya can always say…
“Well, at least we have 86 to be proud of”
LOL
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
ease19
July 1st, 2009
12:00 pm
DAP
A sinker can be either 4-seam or 2 seam, it is more about the release than the grip. Some guys do have a natural sink to their fastball (and cal it a sinker), but Lowe throws a true sinking fastball, which is like throwing your thumb to the plate (if that makes sense)…similar to a circle change/screwball just not as pronounced…and Lowe throws the heck out of it. Watch him sometimes in the dugout…he always has a ball in his hand showing his grip to people…
ncscoots
July 1st, 2009
12:01 pm
love how one 4-hit game for Prado makes trading Escobar and Johnson a feasible move.
The forum is filled with I-want-it-now folks who can’t see beyond the current series, so it’s not all that surprising. It’s the same people adoring Prado now that will want to crucify him in a month, if and when he’s exposed by playing every day.
getsomewins
July 1st, 2009
12:01 pm
Anders –
Mets are in a world of trouble homes. The most complete team in the division in my opinion has been decimated by injuries.
Now you know what Braves went through last season.
ease19
July 1st, 2009
12:02 pm
sorry about the all bold…forgot how to blog…
Almost everyone here says Yunel is a headcase
July 1st, 2009
12:02 pm
Yet they want some other GM to give up loads of quality for him. Either Yunel is a great talent and is just not meshing with the environment or Yunel is a headcase and will be problems for any other GM who trades for him so why give up great talent for someone who is doomed to cause problems as rendered by you all. Also what if he goes to said other team and is no longer a headcase and becomes an all star..was it Cox’s fault? Was it that he finally grew out of his immaturity? What then? All im saying is give Yunel the time that is given to KJ who cant hit or field, KJ is quietly being awful and even though fans and writers point this out he sticks because he’s a nice guy.Bobby uses Prado’s hot bat as a polite way to say its ok KJ you need to sit. the irony here is that the Braves would rather keep a sorry 2b because he’s a nice kid than a talented SS because he causes rifts.
Lamar Banks
July 1st, 2009
12:03 pm
Shamus Thacker
July 1st, 2009
11:51 am
“”Lamar – are you seriously suggesting KJ has played “effective defense” at 2nd base in ‘09. We must be watching different guys…. oh well””
This is a good argument for the parallel universe theory.
Once again, I reiterate that’s its a matter of RANGE. Kelly may make more errors but gets to more balls than Prado. I’m not dissing Prado. He is a good ball player. But when you trade range for less mistakes then you get LOAF. Prado would be very effective when it Escobar comes back. But to have a defense infield of Diory Hernandez, Chipper Jones and Prado. A lot of balls are getting through your infield.
Anders
July 1st, 2009
12:06 pm
getsomewins – Yep. If they can get to the 10th of this month within 5 games of first and they start to get guys back shortly thereafter then they still have a shot. That won’t be easy with their schedule between now and then.
Who knows? Maybe the Mets become sellers in a few weeks. Could happen. I’d check the market for Sheffield in either case. He can still hit but needs to DH at least 1/2 the time. Whoever they trade him too would only have to pay him $200k. What a bargain! There is value for the Mets there imo.
Wayne in Utah
July 1st, 2009
12:08 pm
Colorado Frank
BFIR is now in North Carolina, and his handle is “Piedmont Blues” I believe.
Blair
Hey, I realize that value would come back in a blockbuster trade. To think we could get a 30-40 HR guy for those 3, I am not sure about that?? Maybe.
Reality is that there just aren’t that many blockbuster deals made these days. I think the Braves are happy enough with Kotchman. I expect to see him here until somebody comes through the system and replaces him.
If we packaged KJ and Escobar, my point still remains. We would need 1-2 more middle infielders back. Maybe only 1 if Chris Burke comes up and fills a role for us.
I still think that Infante’s value is as a super sub. Prado, I am on the fence with. I sure hope he hits 300 for the rest of the year, with the same sort of enthusiasm we have seen from him.
All this is academic anyway. FW will do whatever is best for the team, in HIS opinion.
If we get a real banger, I would expect it to be Adam Dunn from the Nationals, and then we would have to sit GA (hitting very well now, I might add) and keep somebody in RF who can catch the ball.
Lew
July 1st, 2009
12:09 pm
CB-I don’t doubt I would have liked him. I’ve always liked stained glass, too, but never tried my hand at it. I particularly like Pre-Raphaelite stained glass (William Morris, Burne -Jones, etc). Great stuff.
Doc Holiday
July 1st, 2009
12:12 pm
DAP,
Thanks for the answer. We need more walk offs in order to notice what the relationship between our players….LOL.
This comment Im about to make has nothing to do with KJ ………. All those KJ lovers out there……… You just have to admit that if KJ was in lasts night lineup, we would be 6 out right now and we would be calling it a season. Instead, Prado injects us with a new life. The kid has some pop, KJ, by no means, has more pop than prado and prado has 2 things KJ lacks of. 1st, he can hit for power or avg to all fields; 2nd he is clutch.
Im not trying to diminish KJ, he is a good player but this is martins moment. Time to let him get the steering wheel at 2B. Why not platoon KJ and JF in RF? I know KJ has the arm of a LF/2B, but we could try that if a trade does not shows up. Or as someone said yesterday, Infante should play at least half the games in RF once he is back.
With all that been said, I think we could score more per game and get our runs/game up like half a run more per game. Thats all this pitching staff needs. Why do I say that? think about it………..half a run per game more represents 40 more runs ………where do you think we would be with 40 more runs scored by now? 1st place is my choice.
And I dont mean Prado would have driven in 20 more and Infante 20. But they would be in the middle of more chances. Something like…………producing runs.
Teams for an Esco Trade
July 1st, 2009
12:12 pm
Baltimore
Boston
Minnesota
San Francisco
Cincinnati
Kansas City
Anaheim
Baffled??
July 1st, 2009
12:13 pm
UHH so let me get this straight. On today’s blog fans want to trade Kotchman and Escobar whom they acknowledge have talent but we keep the worthless right fielder who would only be good on a little league Special Olympic team and the slowest man on earth in left field.
Yessssss I can see it so clearly now. That makes great sense. HUH?
Doc Holiday
July 1st, 2009
12:14 pm
We are doing better in the OBP than the fish and cardinals and better than those 2 teams plus the brewers in OBP. We might even get passed the phillies in BA this series if our pitching holds them back.
getsomewins
July 1st, 2009
12:17 pm
Escobar for Brandon Phillips (move Prado to SS and Infante can also play there)
Doc Holiday
July 1st, 2009
12:17 pm
Defense…….now thats a problem………..we have made 40% errors than the phillies………….thats the only reason why they are ahead of us…………..
Bobby………..get those guys 1 more full or ground balls each…………everyday…………..and we will playing in october.
getsomewins
July 1st, 2009
12:18 pm
Teams for an Esco Trade
July 1st, 2009
12:12 pm
Baltimore
Boston
Minnesota
San Francisco
Cincinnati
Kansas City
Anaheim
THe only teams that I could see us trading him to are Cincinnati and Kansas City.
kimball
July 1st, 2009
12:19 pm
what about escobar and kotchman to san diego for 1st baseman adrian gonzalez
that gives chip some protection and pop in the lineup. prado can play ss or 2nd depending if kj rebounds.
BT
July 1st, 2009
12:20 pm
Is everyone saying “we give up” on Escobar. No one can bring him around to team baseball? If we trade him we have to go in with eyes wide open that we are getting rid of one of most talented shortstops in baseball. He is as goofy as a bed bug but if we “sell now” we may be selling low.
CB
July 1st, 2009
12:24 pm
Lord help us!
getsomewins
July 1st, 2009
12:25 pm
kimball
They’re gonna want more than that for Adrian Gonzalez, but it would be a good deal for us.
Wascally Wabbit
July 1st, 2009
12:26 pm
Does Escobar like them boys ?
Doc Holiday
July 1st, 2009
12:26 pm
PWHjort,
This is not about statics but attitude.
KJs attitude: Oh well, its destiny, I did my best and we lost, we just have to deal with it.
Prados attitude: Last night we gave 100% and lost………..tonight we are giving it 150% effort………. we will do whatever it takes to win, lets go boys.
And come on………….dont try to defend KJs situation talking about defense, cause the only reason KJ was meant to be on this team was bat and not his glove……….. you can identify a good defender because they usually make stellar plays several times during the season, even if they make errors………..just like chippers last night DP late in the game. Youll never see KJ do something like that. I can tell you I watch 70% of braves game in a season and I cant recall KJ doing anything spectacular. Im not saying he never does, but if he in fact does, it must be like once a year. I can recall stellar plays from JFs arm, CKs glove, Nates and Schafers gloves, Yunels arm, etc………..but KJ? never.
Im not saying you have to make stellar plays to be a good player, but it talks good about your defense, it means that if you can make the spectacular one, you might be able to do all the easy once…………that aspect KJ lacks of.
rammerjammer
July 1st, 2009
12:26 pm
Interesting tidbit from the Brewers blog:
“The New Yorkers should be playing with an extra focus after a closed-door meeting last night in which manager Jerry Manuel demanded that everyone take the team bus from the Pfister Hotel to the ballpark…Typically, players, particularly the starting position players, arrive much earlier via cab.”
dogsbrekky
July 1st, 2009
12:28 pm
No way SD trades AGONZ cheaply, he is only getting paid $4-4.5 per year..
BTW He would be justified in killing his manager for that pathetic contract
The Goal
July 1st, 2009
12:28 pm
Should be to have an above average talent at every position on the field.
Below average talents:
LF Anderson/Diaz
RF Francoeur
2B Johnson/Prado
1B Kotchman(don’t care if you are Keith Hernandez or Mark Grace, you gotta hit to play there boy)
Above average talents:
SS Escobar
3B Jones
CF McLouth
C McCann
So we are dealing away one of our above average talents? Why?
Doc Holiday
July 1st, 2009
12:30 pm
Phillies, SF and LA all among top 5 in fielding %…………..guess what? if season ends today, they all are in the playoffs.
GTSteve
July 1st, 2009
12:30 pm
Yunel reminds me of Edgar R a few years ago when there were trade rumors, all of a sudden he couldnt get his ankle healed. He would play for a few games and get hurt again……
BUZZMEAT
July 1st, 2009
12:32 pm
I dont wanna trade Esco
Blair
July 1st, 2009
12:32 pm
Prado can flat out hit. With his added strength he’s become a deadly line drive hitter with homer strength. He hits the ball hard A LOT and gives a good at-bat every time. With more AB’s, I think we’ll see more power.
I like Kotch OK, but I want more thunder over there. Again, right deal has to present itself. We can stand pat.
getsomewins
July 1st, 2009
12:34 pm
I don’t like the idea of Escobar doing well AGAINST us, so trade him to the other league if we’re going to trade him.
Blair
July 1st, 2009
12:34 pm
getsome, agree on trading Yunel to the AL if we move him.
semiballcoach
July 1st, 2009
12:39 pm
how about esco for jack wilson?
Roman Gal
July 1st, 2009
12:41 pm
The Mets announcer immediately said that Martinez will have to watch that play on blooper reels for years to come. Anders
It was priceless. It’ll be up for Blooper of the Year when the season is over, no doubt.
GTSteve
July 1st, 2009
12:42 pm
Nothing makes me happier than seeing Mets bloopers
AustinBrave
July 1st, 2009
12:43 pm
Lets add one more player Escobar, Kotchman, and Medlan for Adrian Gonzales. This would put us back on the map.
PWHjort
July 1st, 2009
12:44 pm
Doc,
I don’t understand. I’m not trying to “defend his situation”. I’m just saying he’s the better defender. I’ve seen him make plenty of diving stops to his right that an average 2B would let roll into CF. But given their recent offensive play, it makes all the sense in the world to bench KJ and start Prado. At least for now. I don’t agree that Kelly has a bad attitude. And most media and baseball personnel will tell you he doesn’t have an attitude problem. In fact, they’ll tell you that he’s been so hard on himself because of his poor play to the point that he’s almost pulling his hair out and the coaching staff has told him to relax.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
July 1st, 2009
12:44 pm
How about I hope that Escobar for Jack Wilson proposal was a joke!
fleming
July 1st, 2009
12:46 pm
Just got finished reading last nights blog. WOW! who left the door to the nut house open. The schizoid patrol was out in full glory. He Sux, He’s great, no he Sux.
What an idiot that jared is. Thanks Steve, Wayne and Scoots for proving that.
McFann – looked like Brian is starting to hit the ball hard again just no luck. Making contact and no strikeouts. Couple of ball he hit last night had a chance to be um a double.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
July 1st, 2009
12:47 pm
The Adrian Gonzales idea is an interesting one. I think the Padres would consider a deal with Escobar, Medlen and Kotchman in it.
Willy Wally
July 1st, 2009
12:49 pm
Willy Wally-I have a temper? No, not really, just don’t have a lot of patience with people who have proven themselves to be ignorant, petty, clueless and idiotic. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Right? (LEW)
I imagine Yunel Escobar says this to himself about Bobby, the official scorer, Joe Simpson, Chip Caray, etc., etc.
Carroll Rogers
July 1st, 2009
12:51 pm
new blog should be up!
getsomewins
July 1st, 2009
12:52 pm
Pads should take that deal. I mean, they took the last proposal we gave them for Peavy (Peavy said no to us)
How about Escobar, Kotchman, Medlen for Gonzalez (who has a strained knee) and Cla Meredith or Greg Burke (Meredith is another sidearmer)
PopeVanIII
July 1st, 2009
12:53 pm
Trade ideas:
1. Yunel, Gonzalez, and Diaz to the Dodgers for Kemp and Furcal
2. Yunel, Schafer, and Diaz to the Tigers for Granderson and Everett
My thinking is that we need a credible defensive SS if we’re dealing Yunel, and we also need an offensive upgrade in the outfield (by getting either a RF or a CF, so that McLouth can be moved over to RF).
How off base am I?
Rob from SC
July 1st, 2009
12:54 pm
Do not trade Yunel Escobar
kimball
July 1st, 2009
12:55 pm
the only problem i see the the adrian gonzales trade is he even on the trading block the padres want to shed pay roll and he is very reasonably priced! i think medlen, kotchy, and escobar would get their attention and make us some what better. they would also have 3 players major leauge ready in the deal….. may be a bit much to give up but would make us a real threat
McFann :Ô:
July 1st, 2009
12:55 pm
Fleming–
This is true…he shot a bad to center in his first or second AB, but that dumb Reaper had the range to get it (Chip was all like, “Look at the range of Shane Victorino!” I was like, “Make me.”). That one had a real good chance to be a um…double.
Then he got a good hold of one that looked like it was gonna get between Rollins and Feliz, but Feliz made a diving stop and threw to first just in time.
But yeah, no K’s since…oh, well, since Sunday, OK…but my point is…he only swung and missed twice last night.
Hey, and I was looking at this same stretch of games last year (June 22 through the 29), and his stats through those games are very similar to the ones he’s put up during this homestand. Must be something about this time of year…
GTSteve
July 1st, 2009
12:55 pm
I would love to get gonzales, but i dont think they will part with him
GTSteve
July 1st, 2009
12:56 pm
Uh Pope, are you new?
GTSteve
July 1st, 2009
12:57 pm
I dont think the Braves would trade a bag of used batting practice balls for Furcal
Drive By Blogger
July 1st, 2009
1:00 pm
Since the off-the wall trade scenarios are in abundance:
Yunel, KJ, Kotch to Pitt for JWilson, Sanchez and Roachey.
They save alot of dough, we get defense at SS and offense at 2B and 1B.
NO MORE BOBBY
July 1st, 2009
1:02 pm
THE GOOD
1. We finally beat the Phillies at home.
2. Prado bumps Johnson from 2B!!!
3. Lowe was back on and deserved the win.
THE BAD
1. Gonzo is a nervous wreck and can’t be trusted with a lead..
2. Phillies fans were louder than Braves fans at game. My section was so quiet I felt like I was watching at home.
3. No one on our team can bunt. That squeeze play was ugly!
Crazy Trades McGee
July 1st, 2009
1:06 pm
Does anybody have a link to the video of the F Martinez Blooper? Couldn’t find it…
dogsbrekky
July 1st, 2009
1:06 pm
Lew – re “Stained Glass”
If you are ever in Paris, catch the train up to Reims (Champagne) and see the Notre Dame there. It has extensive Chagall stained glass windows which I think were done in the 1970s. It is all just specky !
Doc Holiday
July 1st, 2009
1:59 pm
Crazy Trades McGee ,
Here is the link………..you go to the video that is the resume of the game and check at 00:00:40 time frame.
http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=mil&c_id=mil
abwright
July 1st, 2009
2:28 pm
DAP, 11:50 am … “and yes, it was chipper that prado went and hugged. it seems like they have a pretty good relationship. ”
I noticed that as well. And it wasn’t that fakey-wakey hug that ball players seem to be enamoured of lately, but rather a genuine, happy, “you did good” hug, like you see when a team wins the WS.
I hope Prado is out there again tonight.
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6:01 pm
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