2:23 pm June 30, 2009, by David O'Brien
Rob from SC
June 30th, 20092:27 pm
DOB what do you think about what I am thinking.
I wonder if where Jordan Schafer holds the bat might be the reason for him struggling. He keeps his hands a little lower than his chest. He also holds them out front. He can’t generate proper bat speed when the pitcher throws the fastball right at his hands. Most batter hold the hands higher in their setup to generate bat speed when the begin thier swing. While holding their hands high and back they are able to generate speed while moving their hands forward. Hopefully that is correctable. What do you guys think.
June 30th, 20092:29 pm
He also has no load mechanism with his hands, that if he develops should help increase his power production. I understand he has put up good Minor League Numbers, but the quality of fastballs he will see at the ML level are so much better that he needs to make adjustments.
“”The Braves? They have no hitter with more than five homers on the road. But at least they execute flawlessly, steal a lot of bases … oh, wait, nevermind. Wrong team.”"
Very funny stuff DOB…
June 30th, 20092:30 pm
I felt that Schafer was just dropping his back shoulder and thus his hands before swinging. This was causing him to swing late and under on fastballs, and when he did hit them it caused him to pop them up.
June 30th, 20092:32 pm
If you are watching the game, he holds his hands lower than any current player I have seen. That is fine for away pitches, but he can’t catchup on even average fastballs.
June 30th, 20092:34 pm
Rob from SC (howdy from Florence!),
When you say “If you are watching the game,” are you referring to a specific game or just his stance in general?
I know that I specifically remember watching him every day during his horrible slump in the majors and it just seemed to me that dropping his back shoulder was causing him some problems.
Last night’s dream was vida guerra but Werth for KK and Medlen was being discussing on Sportscenter in the background
Bring Back Andruw
It’d be nice if Lowe earned some of that 60MM tonight in a big game.
June 30th, 20092:35 pm
Today’s game is on MLB network and his stance is exactly the same. He is dipping his shoulder as well.
June 30th, 20092:36 pm
rob, whatever problems Schafer might have been having in April, raising his hands, lengthening his swing, and loading deeper ain’t the solution.
Those Nasty Stats That D.O.B. Brought up is salt in the wound to braves fans…I can’t believe how garbage our offense has been…
We Gotta start turning it around quick and at leats take 2 of three since we have favorable matchups…
June 30th, 20092:37 pm
Scott. The dip in his shoulder might be him trying to generate bat speed. He needs to raise his hands or he won’t hit the inside fastball.
Thanks for the new Blog, Chief! That is a very good point by Mark Grace…I think he’s onto something, too…
From the last Blog:
AndyC That is a very specific dream you had last night
Mine cann be that way sometimes…first dream I ever had about BMac was even more specific than that…
Um…But yeah, I guess I’d take that, too, seein’ as how the dude still gave him a single, thus making his AVG and OBP go up. And hey, the Braves still got two runs on the board…
Course, if something like that did happen, they might not take both RBI away, but that might depend on how many outs there were.
Roman Gal I never like that movie, Charlotte’s Web.
Hmm…why am I not surprised…?
jason BMac is good, and as you have pointed out, he is getting even better.
Lamar Banks Albert Pujols and Tony LaRussa have be traded to the Braves for Bobby Cox and Casey Kotchman.
Impossible! BMac and I were already traded to the Cardinals for Pujols and Molina! Yep…tonight’s our last night with the Braves…
Rob from SC,
I see, I don’t have MLB network access. I would be interested in seeing tape of his stance/swing in the minors and spring training as opposed to tape of his struggles in the majors this year.
June 30th, 20092:38 pm
ncscoots Raising his hands, as long at he brings them straight to the ball will not lengthen his swing.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
So I take it Schafer hasn’t looked good in his at bats today?
June 30th, 20092:39 pm
The problem Schafer is facing is that Major League pitchers will throw the fastball right under his hands every pitch until he proves he can hit it. Minor Leaguers are not the good
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
He took strike three right at his hands.
Bring Back Andruw,
I agree. He went 8 scoreless earlier this year against the Phils, I fully expect him to have a great start tonight.
June 30th, 20092:40 pm
Lowe turns it around tonight, Kelly goes 4-5, Francoeur goes 3-4 with a walk, and the blog goes silent tomorrow. Could it happen?
June 30th, 20092:41 pm
I dunno. I never got much consolation from receiving the retard trophy. It always made me feel like a retard when I received it. I never got the good trophies, but my brother always did. He even had a few MVP trophies. I’d stare at them at night, and sometimes cry myself to sleep, knowing I’ll never be better than the retard trophy.
A friend gave HUGE kudos to a BBQ joint in Hiram today. It would help if I could remember the name. It was something like “Dan and Paul’s;” I’m certain the Dan part is correct. Anyway, it’s across from Wal Mart, anybody heard of it?
I’ll make the trek Saturday and post my review. Now, if the windows are past a certain point of clean I may not stop, so don’t hold me firmly to it.
This is probably a make or break series. If the Braves can beat the Phils, there is still a legit reason to call this team “contenders”. We have our best three pitchers going, and everyone is healthy. If we cannot manage to take the series, may need to start thinking about what deals make sense for 2010 2011.
It’s just…man the NL East is bad. But a series win here-even, dare I say, a sweep, then heading into Washington…if there was a time for the Bravos to reel off 6/7 or 7/8, this is it.
June 30th, 20092:42 pm
I love prospects and hate to trade them, Sometimes I am guilty of over valuing prospects. Schafer needs to make an adjustment in his stance. He has always K’d at a high rate. I would be interested ti see how many of those strikeouts were inside fastballs.
Braves need to see what Cleveland would take for V-Mart (anyone not named Jason Heyward or Tommy Hanson).
I think Cleveland MIGHT take Freeman, Medlen, Francoeur, Kelly Johnson, and a low level prospect.
Next, deal Kotchman to the Red Sox for Ramon Ramirez
June 30th, 20092:43 pm
You want bad intentions, try a kid who went through grade school with THAT name. ncscoots
What kind of fascist ba$tard would make a 5-year old have to spell “Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg”? That’s just torture.
As long as we can keep Kelly from dropping the pop ups in the ninth, we might win one or two this series.
No, I’ll never forget.
Then trade Garret Anderson to Rays for Joe Nelson
June 30th, 20092:45 pm
BSPN is reporting that Carlos Beltran got a second opinion on his knee and it confirmed that he would NOT need surgery. He is expected back around the All Star break.
Gotta toughen the kid up somehow, Roman Gal.
Coulda just named him “Sue,” though.
Lineup after the trades:
2. Infante (when he returns)
3. C. Jones
4. V. Martinez
7. Matt Diaz
Willy Wally, you should sell your retard trophy on eBay. They’re hot in the streets right now.
Imagine had they brough him up early to have a Schafer-esque result.
Hanson would be in a corner somewhere crying his eyes out.
June 30th, 20092:46 pm
You’ve got a point. But, at least Sue is easy to spell.
June 30th, 20092:47 pm
A bad bone bruise in the knee is not a fun thing to have. I got one of those while working at UPS years ago. Took me a couple of weeks before I could really bend the knee normally.
Not through the tears, Roman Gal.
Not through the tears…
Nova Scotia Steve
June 30th, 2009
Lowe turns it around tonight, Kelly goes 4-5, Francoeur goes 3-4 with a walk, and the blog goes silent tomorrow. Could it happen?
I gunna go with no’s across the board on that one…maybe Lowe turning it around is your best bet
June 30th, 20092:48 pm
Subtract bats and add pitching. Just what this team needs……..
June 30th, 20092:53 pm
I have bigger questions about the Braves ability to beat the Nationals 2 of 3 than them beating the Phillies
June 30th, 20092:54 pm
I see Jon Heyman at SI.com has Soriano and Vasquez on his all-star team…oh yeah, and that guy of ours behind the plate. What’s his name?
June 30th, 20092:55 pm
bad bone bruise in the knee is not a fun thing to have. I got one of those while working at UPS years ago. Took me a couple of weeks before I could really bend the knee normally. (CHOP CHOP)
In the words of Biggie Smalls:
You’re mad cause my style you’re admiring
Don’t be mad, UPS is hiring
Looks as if your Jayhawks might be losing Xavier and CJ Henry.
Just heard a portion of an interview where Carl Henry stated that X would have gone to my beloved Kentucky Wildcats had his mother not injected her opinion. Now the mother has told Xavier that she does not care where he goes, and Xavier is thinking of going to Kentucky.
Schafer’s next at-bat was a fastball right under his hands and he hit a little dribbler for an infield hit. He needs to change his stance in order to hit that pitch.
June 30th, 20092:56 pm
Neither have enrolled in classes at KU, so they could go anywhere.
A hit! A hit!!
Nice post thrillhouse, made me laugh out loud
Also looked like he hurt his wrist on the swing
June 30th, 20092:57 pm
The softest hit I have seen. LOL
and he hit a little dribbler for an infield hit.
Hey, a hit is a hit.
I think you are SERIOUSLY overvaluing Victor Martinez.
Guy is a solid hitter with decent power, but he’s a subpart fielding 1B and the Braves already have an all star catcher behind the dish.
Some great stats in this blog. It’s a shame that the Braves starters are third in ERA and have a sub .500 record combined!
It’s all on the offense so far.
Shame too, Wren hitched his wagon to Schafer (early on before we got McLouth), Jeff (FRANCINE) and KJ (hot and cold).
Now the Braves are paying the price for that.
Hey, at least we get Nate and Esco back in the lineup today…so we’ll be contending with 5 good hitters (Chipper, B-Mac, Esco, Nate and Anderson). Have a chance to win unless Lowe gives it away with that sinker that “doesn’t sink”.
June 30th, 20092:58 pm
are you watching Roman Gal
Not through the tears… Chop Chop
Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg’s tears would bring world peace and end world hunger.
June 30th, 20092:59 pm
Do you think that his stance is an issue for the recurring wrist issue?
Seems like if he hurt it a few weeks ago on a swing, and hurt it again on a swing, both from trying to hit the inside pitch… maybe an adjustment does need to be made…..
Biggie Smalls woulda been hilarious to see unloading a truck. Dude woulda broke his sacroiliac.
Random question: Who was the guy who hurt his neck running into the wall against the Bravos in the 90s? I’m thinking Reds and Bip Roberts, but I can’t seem to find evidence anywhere.
Ted Williams and Barry Bonds held their hands very low as well. They didn’t have any problems catching up with fast balls from what I remember. I’m just saying….
June 30th, 20093:00 pm
Who’s watching me?!
JK. No, I don’t have MLB Network. I’ll trust your judgement, doesn’t mean that I’m not going to put a positive spin on everything he does.
A good, AUTHENTIC, BBQ joint, needs no window shades. The glass should contain enough smoke and just plain filth to give everything that surreal barbecugasmic glow.
Shoot, I’m gonna have to head to a place here in town where the Q is less than supreme. It ain’t all that great, but it’s a fix till I can do better. I should never write about BBQ unless I have a pound of the good stuff (from another town, or my smoker) lying around…
See y’all later…
June 30th, 20093:01 pm
just discovered the gaslight anthem a few weeks ago. the ‘59 sound is an incredibly good album top to bottom. they should be announcing some more dates for the fall soon. DOB, is their earlier stuff as good?
Crazy Trades McGee
I can’t tell, is it the same person who continues to believe that we can trade for V-Mart?
June 30th, 20093:02 pm
Yeah, Thrillhouse, while flicking through channels the other day, I came across some show where some lady had called 911 saying something about her baby not breathing and so on. The EMS folks came out and she was only talking about a cat. They wanted to arrest her, but they saw she had Special Olympics awards on her wall, so they left her alone.So, evidently, you’re right, the retard trophies are indeed the thing to have out on the street these days.
I know I’m gonna get reamed for my trade proposals, but I think V-Mart would be a great #4 hitter for us, and this lineup would start scoring runs. Also, the bullpen would get fortified with guys (Ramirez in particular) who can spell Moylan in the 7th or even Soriano/Gonzalez in the 8th.
Rob from SC-
What was the “On-field Delay” right after Schafer’s stolen base?
He has the same stance he had in Atlanta. Brian Jordan was talking about how Jordan Schafer didn’t see many inside fastballs in A or AA because pitchers are not normally comfortable throwing inside at a young age.
holy cow, you still don’t get it.
#1 i don’t hit refresh ever second.
#2 i suggested trading straight up, two comparable players, one of which is slightly younger and makes less money. obviously, there is no “upside” to KJ other than that he makes a little less and is alittle younger. the only advantage Felipe Lopez has over KJ is a slightly longer track record, and better batting stats this year.
this could be minor trade that would be advantageous for both teams. i did not, in SERIOUSNESS, suggest Kelly has any upside. Again, sarcasm and facetiousness….apparently lost on you altogether. continue with your job, you’re probably better at that.
June 30th, 20093:03 pm
Louisville manager argued catcher interference on Schafer’s stolen base
I think we should trade the entire Braves batting and fielding portion of the roster for the entire same portion of the Phillies roster. BAM! Problem solved. I’m a GENIUS.
Steve from OH
It’s not where you hold your hands, it’s where they end up when you complete your stride and plant your front foot. I’ve seen video from a lot of really good hitters with wildly different stances, and they all end up in very similar (if not the same) position once their front foot touches the ground. Tinkering with how Schafer holds his bat while the pitcher takes is signs ain’t gonna fix nothing.
June 30th, 20093:04 pm
first, you diss my catcher. Then you diss one of my favorite pitchers by spelling his name wrong! (and that after tyrping Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg 900 times) The pitchfork is ready…I’m pondering if I should add flames
You won’t get reamed as long as you don’t talk about trading untradeable players, trading for undtradeable players, trying to pawn off our scraps for some other team’s superstar, or propose trading Jordan Schafer or Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg for…well, anyone.
June 30th, 20093:05 pm
Can you trade Season Records? If so we should trade our record + Francoeur, for the Red Sox Record. That would get us into first in the NL East for sure.
June 30th, 20093:06 pm
You really gonna get on my case about spelling?? Hmmmm?????
June 30th, 20093:07 pm
Anybody else reading the “Live Chat with Mark Teixeria” right now?
Steve from OH
But he never raises his hands.
Notice how Mantle’s hands rest near the plane of his uniform lettering, whereas Ichiro’s are near his ear. Notice the difference in strides in frames 2-3. But notice the very similar hand and head positioning in frame 4 (footplant) and notice how their shoulder planes are similar.
June 30th, 20093:08 pm
Beating the Nationals is fine from a pride point of view, but it doesn’t tell the Braves anything about their ability to contend. Beating them is a must. If you drop a series to the Nats 5 games out near the break, the question of whether to aim for 2010 becomes a no brainer.
Also, STOP WITH THE V MART. IT IS NOT HAPPENING.
1) We don’t need a first baseman or catcher. Casey Kotchman is coming off the books right around the time that the Braves have Freddy Freeman penciled in at first. Also, our defense is suspect enough as is. And we have a fine backup catcher for when Mac is sitting. It addresses nothing except getting a right handed bat. Yes, the Braves need a right handed bat. But they do not need one at 1B. They need a bat as a salve against the out machines located at 2B and RF.
2) The Indians are not shopping V-Mart
3) We don’t have the payroll to take V-Mart on
4) Even if we made a square peg fit in a round hole, it would cost us our one current strength-starting pitching. Kris Medlen isn’t ready, and he may never be more than a bullpen pitcher. The Braves have no idea what they are going to get from Tim Hudson. So dealing Vazquez for a short term solution to a lack of a right hand bat is just silly. If you deal Vazquez, you do it for 2010 and beyond.
The problem is that Schafer has his hands so low that he can’t get on top of a higher fastball. Also his hands are so far forward. Why not keep you hands back in order to prevent extra unneeded movement on your swing
June 30th, 20093:09 pm
Neither does Mantle.
I am also curious to see if Schaefer was was having trouble on the inside pitch. I am no hitter. I pitched in what little baseball expirence. I thought it was a natural reaction from injuring the wrist. Like he couldn’t draw his hands in quick enough on the inside fastball. But what do I know, hitting was not my forte.
June 30th, 20093:10 pm
Yeah, Chop Chop, my brother’s a cop, and whenever he hears Biggie go on in a song about his dope selling days, my brother’s like that fat ba$tard would have made for the sorriest, most useless drug dealer ever. He’s like first of all, the dude is like 6′4″, 300 pounds, who do you think the cop is gonna see first when we ride on up? He’s too fat to run away when you chase after him. He wasn’t the strongest or most athletic looking cat, so there wasn’t gonna be much of a fight once you got your hands on him even though he’s that big and heavy. Also, being as fat as he was, his movements are too slow and deliberate to be slick enough to conceal where he’s hiding the drugs. But then my brother’s like it would have been hard to detect drugs hidden in a fat fold during a pat down if a fat fold is where he hid his drugs.
June 30th, 20093:11 pm
Also, STOP WITH THE V MART. IT IS NOT HAPPENING
And part of division winning teams is beating the teams that you should beat. I’m not sure these Braves are there.
June 30th, 20093:12 pm
I know, and I deserved that…I really do need to proofread. But I do know how to spell VAZQUEZ
What can Schafer do to hit the inside fastball with authority
I understand that it is the same stance as it was in Atlanta, but do you think that may be causing part of the problem with his wrist injuries as well?
LMAO Crazy Trades McGee
June 30th, 20093:13 pm
Yeah, yeah, yeah…
Oh, look!! [points behind you]
June 30th, 20093:14 pm
Yes I think the wrist is part of the problem, but he has always had a problem with the strikeout.
June 30th, 20093:15 pm
im not a hitting expert, but it seems to me that schafer could hit the high inside pitch if his hands are quick enough to get the bat head out front…basically hitting the ball before it travels to deep. everyone has agreed that schafer’s bat speed had been affected by his wrist injury, so….maybe the inside pitch wont be quite as handcuffing once his wrist heals completely.
I don’t have any slo-mo video on Schafer and I’m not a scout, so that’s a good question. It seems to me that he could stand to learn to recognize the pitch better, and get his wrists healthy. Practice, practice, practice. If he didn’t have good swing mechanics he wouldn’t be a top prospect and he wouldn’t have put up the numbers he has in the minors.
June 30th, 20093:17 pm
This Mark Teixeira chat is soooo lame!
He’s a total Yankee suck-up now. Not just like a normal player might be, he’s baaaaaddd. Bleh…
He’s too fat to run away when you chase after him.
Did you see Notorious, Willy Wally? That’s pretty much how he got caught, but his boy took the fall for him. Now, I’m down for my friends and all, but I’m not doing time in the pen for any of them. They’re lucky to get a free round off me. But that’s not where I was going with this. Oh, anyways, dude sounds out of breath every time he’s interviewed – perhaps he should have sold more crack – it was probably the most exercise he got.
June 30th, 20093:18 pm
DAP–I think that’s a big part of it. I also think that well-located inside fastballs are tough to hit, no matter how good you are. As for the strikeouts, Rob, I don’t really give tow sh!ts because it means that he’s working the count and drawing a lot of walks.
18 Wheels of Love
June 30th, 20093:19 pm
Mark Grace thinks he is clued into some grand social inadequacy that puts a generation of players at a disadvantage competitively – because he thinks they all got trophies for just playing? Gimme a break. Sounds like the one that I heard years ago about how society changed when fathers stopped taking their kids to the corner barbershop and relied more on mothers and salons to get the job done. Grace heard someone say that and he thought it sounded cool so he is repeating it…and it is wrong. Little leaguers have been getting trophies for just participating for 30+ years. And for the same amount of time, little leaguers have been required to play a minimum amount of innings per game, regardless of skill level. It’s a comical statement, but for every Escobar that throws a hissy fit, you can argue that McCann, McClouth, and Frenchy are the opposite – and from the same generation. I’m sure if asked, Mark Grace could name a few whiney b*itches from his playing days.
V-Mart, V-Mart, V-Mart!!!!! lol
What we don’t know is how many of Schafer’s minor league strikeouts were on that pitch. If it is a high percentage then he has a problem that needs to be corrected.
June 30th, 20093:20 pm
I agree with what Mark Grace said but I don’t think it applies to Escobar considering where he came from. He was hardly from the land of trophies for t-ballers.
I’m not sure what Escobar’s problem is other than he’s pretty immature and has been given a pass for bad behavior because of his prodigious baseball talent. His arse should have been kicked when he got in the fistfight w/Blauser in Mississippi.
June 30th, 20093:21 pm
you should give two Sh*** because the strikeouts got he a ticket back to AAA.
Anybody know why my laptop isn’t charging? First time it’s ever happend and thought maybe somebody here would know what’s up…be much appreciated.
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