getsomewins… Yes, indeed. The 90 wins is just a benchmark, but it gives fans a reasonable understanding of what it will likely take to win the division.
Braves could take 2 of 3….and still be 4 games out of first place and be 4 games under .500. My point? The Phillies series won’t make the season for the Braves, but it could definitely break it. It would be an act of futility to continue to believe in a turn around if the Braves don’t at least win the series.
Just saw a trade rumor involving the Brewers and D-backs(felipe lopez). While not a stud, he is hitting .300, bats RH, with higher OBP and OPS than Kelly this season. He also makes 3.5 Mill for the year. Maybe a trade straight up would improve the team with less outs made by the 2nd baseman. D-backs would get back a cheaper, younger player with more “upside”.
Downside to Lopez is that he strikes out way more than he walks for the course of his career, and this year is no different. Anyone know about his defensive skills? Can’t be much worse than KJ
as far as alex rios goes…maybe he just isnt as good as he is being paid to be? he is a solid player, a guy that would be good to have…but definitely not for what he is getting paid. thats a very bad contract from the jays.
DAP: “im going to say there is no way a team in teh NL east wins 90 games”
Yeah, it’s a long shot. I don’t think it will be as bad as when the Padres skid in ass backwards with 82 wins, but some where in the middle will probably do it.
Take a time machine back to the winter, sign Derek Lowe and lose Oliver Perez’s phone number. Finance the difference in salary with even more hideous advertising at Citi Field, if there is any room left.
The Phillies will still suck in the pitching department after this series so they are not going anywhere. The Mets are done IMHO too many key guys out and their rotation will not hold up much longer.
The Marlins have a better shot and sneaking in and stealing the division.
So the Braves can win 2-3 and still have a chance to claw their way back b/c they have by far the best pitching in the division.
Wren and Bobby need to bench nonperformers ASAP and make a trade two if possible.
This division is a trainwreck and only teams that need to cut payroll for 2010 should bail now or even at the deadline.
If the Braves are 4-5 games back in a month they are still very much in it.
Selling would be dumb.
No they are not likely to go past the first round of the playoffs (unless they land VMART and Holliday in July – as an example) but for a team that has been so abysmal with declining attendance raising the white flag now or at the deadline – even for a prospect bounty would be foolish.
You have a rotation that is good but heavily weight towards 30 somethings. Even if Hudson comes back he will be a 30 something coming off major surgery so if they don’t go for it this year it may not be until 2011 or later that this team has a shot.
Remember there is squat in AAA/AA right now – hitters and pitching so things could get very ugly over the next two years if you trade guys like Vaz, Lowe (as some are suggesting) and rely on rookies and a Hudson.
Wren backed himself into a corner with the moves he made this winter to the tune of $40mm. You cannot call do over on that price tag and keep your job especially with fans staying away in droves and a corporation that would be happy to cut your budget coming off yet another lousy season.
They need to make some trades – upgrading where they can versus what the ideally want. That may mean Vmart at 1B over an OF. It may mean a new 2B over a replacement for GA in LF.
Make the team better in a way that presents itself and move on from there.
Again this division sucks and every team has warts. The Braves need two bats and they can walk away with it.
Key bats to be sure hence the 400-500 treadmill we are stuck on. McLouth was a stabilization move to replace a very poor Schafer not a tide turning move.
Demote KJ and put Prado at 2B for the rest of the season. Platoon Diaz with JF until you can move JF in a deal.
Call up Bjones or Barton to platoon with GA.
Release Norton, Demote Blanco, Call Up Barbaro to pinch hit and back up 1B.
You can do several of these moves today with no trades.
Justin upton makes league minimum and is a stud. .318, 14 hr, 45 rbi, .399 obp, .580 slugg. would take quite a haul to get him, and he’s only 21. i don’t think braves have a player they would want for him, if they’re even shopping him. we can only wish though…imagine replacing frenchy with upton. *drool*
It was rumored a couple of weeks ago the Pirates were looking to move Freddy Sanchez mabye. He would definitely be the bat the Braves could use but I guess that would depend on if the Pirates think they have a legit chance to contend this year. But another trade with the Pirates probably wouldn’t be very popular with their fans.
Honestly, I don’t see KJ getting moved. I see Francoeur being deisred before KJ. We should’ve moved him this offseason when his value was at its highest. I do see a team like the Indians being interested in KJ but not offering much in return. Would the White Sox be interested in a package that included KJ and either Gonzo or Soriano for Dye? I kind of doubt it but guess you wouldn’t know until the offer was made.
Kelly is a much better defender than Prado. Plus the statistics suggest Kelly will break out of his slump. Benching Kelly in favor of Prado is a mistake.
June 30th, 2009
12:42 pm
What’s the deal with the Yankees acquiring a bad player on a bad team every year? Richie Sexson last year, Hinske this year…
Apparently they like declining players who have no real position or fit on there team. Typical Yankees. All that money and not a clue as to how to run a team.
wasn’t there a vernon wells to braves trade rumor last year or the year before? i know his high salary is not great, but it would add some thump to the OF we currently have. he looks like he needs a change of scenery
yeah, i know! it would be, impossible. it might take gonzo, hanson, vazquez and schafer and that might not be enough, lol. anyway, i was responding to someone else’s post.
but it would add some thump to the OF we currently have. [Vernon Wells] looks like he needs a change of scenery
Japan wouldn’t be enough of a change to make that sub-.700 OPS look good, LOL. Might want to leave Vernon off your wish list. If “toronto’s not going anywhere but down…”, I’m afraid Wells is one of the reasons.
If Kelly has so much ‘upside’ then why dont we keep him ourselves? You make no sense with comments like that.
- Original Jon
You’ve made no (that I can see) contributions other than that one on the blog for the last 3 hrs. Is that the best you can come up with, really? Is your sole purpose to point out semantics in other’s writing without even understanding the person’s post, or even basic “humor”? Give me a break.
Tom Verducci over at SI.com selects his All star Roster..i liked this part…
Catcher: Brian McCann*, Yadier Molina. The crop of catchers in the NL is so weak that the next best VORP behind McCann belongs to his backup, David Ross.
Vernon Wells is not the answer. His in the middle of a deal which takes him into 2014. Its completely back loaded with 12.5m due next yr and OVER 21m due in each of the following yr. Plus he has a full no trade clause. He can even opt out after the 2011 season (which he won’t with that type of pay-day) Its the worst contract in baseball from a team’s perspective.
You might like his agent if you a major leaguer though
Lets say Mike Lowell is out for a significant time or is gone for the year. Buster Olney suggested they might look for a 1B and move Youklis to 3B. If that is the case the Braves could offer Kotchman, Escobar, Francoeur and Medlen to the Red Sox for Lowrie, Bucholz, Baldelli, and Lugo (if the Sox agree to eat a huge portion of his contract). Yes, the Braves are giving up more than they’ll receive but they would get a potential #2 if not #1 starter in Bucholz. Lowrie is a more than servicable SS and could become as good as Escobar. Baldelli if used right is a very good player who could be past his injury issues and Lugo is somebody who can help the team now. The Braves get rid of Francouer who at this point is way overpaid. Kotchman can be replaced by either Canizanes (sp?) or Prado and at this poin either would outproduce him. Yes, the defense would take a hit but is Kotchman’s defense really doing anything get the team wins or save losses? And with Escobar gone perhaps some of the issues that are arising in the clubhouse will be allieviated. The Red Sox could also throw in a near top tier prospect. Lord knows they are stacked enough to give one up.
Tonight Derek Lowe has to step up. Need six or seven solid innings out of him!
Meanwhile…Blanton is very hittable and doesn’t throw 64mph (unlike CY WAKEFIELD), so Braves should be able to tee off!
Braves get to dodge Ibanez…who has owned Vazquez and hits some bombs against us early on in the year.
Braves must SWEEP this series, to show that they aren’t going to just be pretenders but be playing meaningful games in late July and August at least!
Last night some FANTASY trades were being proposed.
Yes, I’d love to have Nick Markakis, Adam Jones and Luke Scott from the O’s. Unfortunately it ain’t happening folks.
We aren’t going to trade big time prospects, and O’s don’t need anything else right now that we have.
As far as Sanchez from the Pirates…is he worth the 8 million…have you see our production out of 2B? Maybe, maybe not…but if the Braves unload KJ and Jeff in the off-season…that could amount close to 8 million that Sachez would make in 2010. Plus you can pencil him in at the number 2 slot in the lineup…freeing up Yunel to hit 5th or 6th in the order:)
Guy hits .300, plays solid D and is a gamer. So yeah…I think he’s “worth” the 8 Million Dollar Price Tag.
Problem is…what would the Bucks get in return, not sure we have anything of value to them left to give? Why would they want Vazquez, they are NOT one pitcher away from contending for anything…unless they just wanted to unload Sachez and bolster their rotation?
A trade has to make sense for both teams…contrary to popular opinion…the other 31 teams in MLB don’t exist to provide us with their “best players” while taking our “garbage” in return so they can help us out.
Braves garbage that can be throw into a trade package includes:
Jeff, Kelly, Blanco, Brandon Jones and one of our RH pen pitchers not named Gonzo or Soriano.
When healthy, Jo-Jo is a “tad above that” since he is a LH pitcher and there’s always a team willing to give those guys a shot.
not to nitpick, buddy, because I actually agree with a lot of what you wrote, but you called Gonzo right handed- he’s not (as I suspect you are fully aware)
If need be…Braves best and biggest trade chips in the month of july are:
1. Javy Vazquez (Contending teams will be calling for one solid starter to put them over the hill)
2. Mike Gonzalez (Lefty closer that can solidify a pen, be a set up or closer guy)
3. Rafael Soriano (Righty closer that can solidfy a pen, be a set up or closer guy)
4. Garret Anderson (similar to Mark Kotsay of last year, can be a veteran LH stick off the bench, spot start as a DH on an AL team, esp. now that he’s hitting a bit better than earlier in the year)
That’s the list reaslistically speaking.
I hesitate to put Yunel Escobar on there, b/c unless we a player of similar ability in return, wouldn’t make sense to trade him. Yunel is a future all-star SS or 3B in the making, book it!
Ok, Ive gotten extremely tired of ppl using the words Kelly Johnson and upside in the same sentence…
ITS OVER PEOPLE! YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT HIM! LET IT GO ALREADY!
Unfortunately the team is really handcuffed at this point…we could trade Gonzalez BUT risk having a weaker bullpen to implode by doing so and the only other pieces we should get rid of, Johnson and Francoeur couldn’t even get a decent high level prospect these days…so really, what can Frank do?!
We’ve heard Escobar and Vazquez floated around, but unless they’re out of the race all together, I think trading either makes the team weaker.
If the White Sox are out of the race by the end of the month (which Im not certain they will be) Jermaine Dye who is just hitting the cover off the ball will be available and the Braves can either choose to assume the rest of the 09 salary (highly unlikely) OR give up better prospects to get the Sox to chip in (more likely).
The only other real scenario I could see existing is for the Braves to match up w/ the A’s to snag Holliday and Crosby with the A’s assuming Crosby’s salary to get back Escobar and Francoeur…
IF only the deal of Johnson/Ludwick would have occured this past offseason…(and yes, I know Ludwick has struggled w/ his Avg)
I actually can agree on Sanchez that he is a gamer, although I am also unsure he’s worth the 8 Mil tag…
That being said, I would expect the Pirates are looking for more prospects and/or expiring contracts…so I don’t even know what we’d be giving them…
I just think at this point though, the team should be more focused on the RF situation simply because we still do have Prado IF we wanted to play him…no he’s not Sanchez by any means, but shouldn’t we deal w/ a more impending situation…
Also, if there’s any chance to get someone that can play 1b, I would jump at it because Casey is really starting to frighten me…Garrett Atkins anyone?!
Braves fans just need someone to love. Chipper is worn out. McCann can hit but cannot run, throw, block home, or block balls in dirt. Nobody else comes close. We need a new hero that is an everyday player. We need a new Crime Dog…
with serious uncertainty surrounding Brandon Webb, i took a look at d-back’s roster for possible trade scenarios for one of our starters. i would be very depressed if i were a d-backs fan. they really have nothing besides upton. they’re paying doug davis 8.75 mill, eric byrnes 11.6 mill (DL, wow!!!), jon garland 6 mill. Their rotation with a healthy Webb was good, along with Haren and young Scherzer, but position players are meciocre at best (exluding upton and possibly drew).
Just as miserable as he does now. But I do have his bobble head, so that is nice.
ncscoots: C’mon now. You just aren’t being creative enough with the Wells trade. Suppose we get fifteen other teams to get involved in the trade and they all pick up about a million a piece of that contract the Braves would only owe him $110 million over the next five years!
KJ has ten forks in him and a spatula. He is beyond done.
Staring at stats and hoping he plays into them at this point is crazy talk.
He needs to go to AAA b/c Bobby will continue to experiment with them all season. Prado is no dream date but he is a ballsy player who makes things happen.
KJ is a funk of biblical proportions and the team should not risk losing games while he figures it out.
Since Bobby has no self control re: his favorites you need to demote him like yesterday.
Actually you may have read it wrong…Freddie is actually closer to 3.05M for the rest of the season to have and the 2010 is a club option w/ a 0.6M buyout so that does make him a bit more enticing to go after…
In that 1:28 post Buster Olney only has the Red Sox benefiting from that trade. Yes they gave up a great pitching prospect but gained future all-star ss and received a solid 1st baseman who his for avg and plays gold glove defense. The braves are then left with a log jam at ss and then take another below performing player in Lugo and have to overpay to get him. Even if the Sox pay a portion of the contract. Baldelli would be addition be the subtraction of Francoeur, but is know long term fix. And the braves would lose avg a defense in ss and 1st base on a team that already struggling. They would then have 7 starting pitchers. It would take all off-season just to undo the mess that trade would create.
Guys, sometimes you just have to realize that getting all hyped up over something you know you can’t control is retarded. Bobby ain’t benching Kelly because he is streaky and Bobby feels he’ll “break out” at any time. Just chill, KJ should be gone next year… Lord, lets all hope so. I like him and he does show emotion, but he isn’t cut out for a Bobby Cox type team, meaning Cox will overplay him to the highest degree.
Apparently they like declining players who have no real position or fit on there team. Typical Yankees. All that money and not a clue as to how to run a team.
AMEN! Finally someone who hates the Yankees as much as I do. The dumbest management in all of their enabler, Major League Baseball.
Great going! Got anymore e-mail addresses? You could vote again…
BudMcCann can hit but cannot run, throw, block home, or block balls in dirt.
You serious? Dude cann run: He’s stolen 11 outta 14 bases in his career. 2 triples in the last two years combined…
Dude cann throw this year: Has caught 23% of would-be base-stealers this year, as opposed to 18% last year. Our pitchers also don’t hold runners on very well.
Dude cann block pitches in the dirt: Only 3 PB this year.
He does tend to stay out in front of homeplate…but GA never throws home, so it really doesn’t matter…
Damn, are the Braves going to be linked to any big time hitter before the trade deadline? Sometimes I wonder if they even want to win games the way they do things..
I can remember arriving home on the night McGriff came to town. Galfriend (at time) met me at the door to inform that the stadium was “BURNING DOWN!” Her slight overstatement had me picturing the Hindenburg as I ran for the TV.
Joe, really? Unlike you I dont have the time to sit here and hit refresh every two seconds and read this blog note for note like you do. I actually have a job to do. So forgive me for noticing your post out of all of them and thinking that it made no sense to trade a player who has so much ‘upside’ whether it be facetious or not.
think stephen drew might be a worthy risk at 2nd base for the braves. he has the potential to be very good offensively. even as bad as he is slumping this year, he is OPSing .733. he has very good power, and last year had 76 extra base hits. thats impressive.
ncscoots: C’mon now. You just aren’t being creative enough with the Wells trade.
TennPaul, I’m tryin’, man, really. I’m doing my best to get into proposing some of these parallel-universe trades; it’s just slow going for me.
I’m sure I’ll be able to turn it around by the All-Star break, and then just watch me: I’ll be firing off bizarro-trades-with-less-logical-basis-than-chances-of-actually-happening with the best of them. You’ll see.
BSPN just confirmed that Albert Pujols and Tony LaRussa have be traded to the Braves for Bobby Cox and Casey Kotchman. Its also believed the the Big Mac advertisement in left field will also be included since Pujols has fond memories of his homerun that blew out the “I” in Big Mac.
I wonder if where Jordan Schafer holds the bat might be the reason for him struggling. He keeps his hands a little lower than his chest. He also holds them out front. He can’t generate proper bat speed when the pitcher throws the fastball right at his hands. Most batter hold the hands higher in their setup to generate bat speed when the begin thier swing. While holding their hands high and back they are able to generate speed while moving their hands forward. Hopefully that is correctable. What do you guys think.
if you mean having an MVP caliber year…i actually think hes capable of that. if you mean splitting after a year, i dont think you dont have to worry about that because im pretty sure he has two more years of arbitration.
As I reported yesterday, the Braves have dealt Javier Vazquez to the Phillies for Jason Werth and a player to be named later. Weird, considering the series starts today.
The Nationals traded Milledge and Hanrahan to the Pirates for Nyjer Morgan and Sean Burnett. That gives the Nationals yet another outfielder to the stockpile. They’re gonna have to trade one of them at this point. I see either Dunn or Willingham gone pretty soon.
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McFann :Ô:
June 30th, 2009
12:51 pm
Beltran might be out for the season?? Holy cow…
Jeff R
June 30th, 2009
12:52 pm
getsomewins… Yes, indeed. The 90 wins is just a benchmark, but it gives fans a reasonable understanding of what it will likely take to win the division.
Renegator
June 30th, 2009
12:52 pm
getsomewins
In the awful NL East – I don’t think it will take 90 wins to win the division. Probably more like 86 or so. Just a guess.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 30th, 2009
12:53 pm
Braves could take 2 of 3….and still be 4 games out of first place and be 4 games under .500. My point? The Phillies series won’t make the season for the Braves, but it could definitely break it. It would be an act of futility to continue to believe in a turn around if the Braves don’t at least win the series.
DAP
June 30th, 2009
12:55 pm
im going to say there is no way a team in teh NL east wins 90 games.
joe
June 30th, 2009
12:56 pm
Just saw a trade rumor involving the Brewers and D-backs(felipe lopez). While not a stud, he is hitting .300, bats RH, with higher OBP and OPS than Kelly this season. He also makes 3.5 Mill for the year. Maybe a trade straight up would improve the team with less outs made by the 2nd baseman. D-backs would get back a cheaper, younger player with more “upside”.
Downside to Lopez is that he strikes out way more than he walks for the course of his career, and this year is no different. Anyone know about his defensive skills? Can’t be much worse than KJ
DAP
June 30th, 2009
12:57 pm
as far as alex rios goes…maybe he just isnt as good as he is being paid to be? he is a solid player, a guy that would be good to have…but definitely not for what he is getting paid. thats a very bad contract from the jays.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2009
12:58 pm
DAP: “im going to say there is no way a team in teh NL east wins 90 games”
Yeah, it’s a long shot. I don’t think it will be as bad as when the Padres skid in ass backwards with 82 wins, but some where in the middle will probably do it.
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:00 pm
my mistake, felipe lopez is a switchy hitter
jason
June 30th, 2009
1:00 pm
Take a time machine back to the winter, sign Derek Lowe and lose Oliver Perez’s phone number. Finance the difference in salary with even more hideous advertising at Citi Field, if there is any room left.
Priceless…
DAP
June 30th, 2009
1:02 pm
the d-back i want is justin upton. are they listening on all their players? honestly, i really like stephen drew to, if we didnt have yunel.
DAP
June 30th, 2009
1:03 pm
i wonder how stephen drew would be at 2nd…..
jason
June 30th, 2009
1:04 pm
TennesseePaul, If the N.L.East was to play out like the Padres that year, then ATL would have a better shot at taking it.
Klaus
June 30th, 2009
1:08 pm
The Phillies will still suck in the pitching department after this series so they are not going anywhere. The Mets are done IMHO too many key guys out and their rotation will not hold up much longer.
The Marlins have a better shot and sneaking in and stealing the division.
So the Braves can win 2-3 and still have a chance to claw their way back b/c they have by far the best pitching in the division.
Wren and Bobby need to bench nonperformers ASAP and make a trade two if possible.
This division is a trainwreck and only teams that need to cut payroll for 2010 should bail now or even at the deadline.
If the Braves are 4-5 games back in a month they are still very much in it.
Selling would be dumb.
No they are not likely to go past the first round of the playoffs (unless they land VMART and Holliday in July – as an example) but for a team that has been so abysmal with declining attendance raising the white flag now or at the deadline – even for a prospect bounty would be foolish.
You have a rotation that is good but heavily weight towards 30 somethings. Even if Hudson comes back he will be a 30 something coming off major surgery so if they don’t go for it this year it may not be until 2011 or later that this team has a shot.
Remember there is squat in AAA/AA right now – hitters and pitching so things could get very ugly over the next two years if you trade guys like Vaz, Lowe (as some are suggesting) and rely on rookies and a Hudson.
Wren backed himself into a corner with the moves he made this winter to the tune of $40mm. You cannot call do over on that price tag and keep your job especially with fans staying away in droves and a corporation that would be happy to cut your budget coming off yet another lousy season.
They need to make some trades – upgrading where they can versus what the ideally want. That may mean Vmart at 1B over an OF. It may mean a new 2B over a replacement for GA in LF.
Make the team better in a way that presents itself and move on from there.
Again this division sucks and every team has warts. The Braves need two bats and they can walk away with it.
Key bats to be sure hence the 400-500 treadmill we are stuck on. McLouth was a stabilization move to replace a very poor Schafer not a tide turning move.
Demote KJ and put Prado at 2B for the rest of the season. Platoon Diaz with JF until you can move JF in a deal.
Call up Bjones or Barton to platoon with GA.
Release Norton, Demote Blanco, Call Up Barbaro to pinch hit and back up 1B.
You can do several of these moves today with no trades.
Shame on BC and Wren if they don’t.
Goodoleboy
June 30th, 2009
1:08 pm
*Joe*
He leads NL 2nd basemen in errors (9)
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2009
1:09 pm
DAP-
Drew’s not a defensive upgrade, if that’s what you mean…he’s about on par with Kelly in the field (he’s actually slightly worse- albeit at SS)
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:09 pm
Justin upton makes league minimum and is a stud. .318, 14 hr, 45 rbi, .399 obp, .580 slugg. would take quite a haul to get him, and he’s only 21. i don’t think braves have a player they would want for him, if they’re even shopping him. we can only wish though…imagine replacing frenchy with upton. *drool*
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
June 30th, 2009
1:09 pm
It was rumored a couple of weeks ago the Pirates were looking to move Freddy Sanchez mabye. He would definitely be the bat the Braves could use but I guess that would depend on if the Pirates think they have a legit chance to contend this year. But another trade with the Pirates probably wouldn’t be very popular with their fans.
Honestly, I don’t see KJ getting moved. I see Francoeur being deisred before KJ. We should’ve moved him this offseason when his value was at its highest. I do see a team like the Indians being interested in KJ but not offering much in return. Would the White Sox be interested in a package that included KJ and either Gonzo or Soriano for Dye? I kind of doubt it but guess you wouldn’t know until the offer was made.
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:11 pm
Klaus: “The Phillies will still suck in the pitching department after this series ”
SO true! they’ll give up an average of 2.8 runs per game vs braves, then get smacked around by the nationals.
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2009
1:12 pm
joe-
if the D-Backs trade Upton, there will be a lot of front office people looking for new jobs out there…not happening. (I know you know this but still…)
PWHjort
June 30th, 2009
1:12 pm
Player +/- UZR/150
Kelly +3 3.9
Prado -1 0.8
Kelly is a much better defender than Prado. Plus the statistics suggest Kelly will break out of his slump. Benching Kelly in favor of Prado is a mistake.
Lamar Banks
June 30th, 2009
1:14 pm
PWHjort
June 30th, 2009
12:42 pm
What’s the deal with the Yankees acquiring a bad player on a bad team every year? Richie Sexson last year, Hinske this year…
Apparently they like declining players who have no real position or fit on there team. Typical Yankees. All that money and not a clue as to how to run a team.
BravesDA
June 30th, 2009
1:14 pm
wasn’t there a vernon wells to braves trade rumor last year or the year before? i know his high salary is not great, but it would add some thump to the OF we currently have. he looks like he needs a change of scenery
toronto’s not going anywhere but down….
Original Jon
June 30th, 2009
1:14 pm
D-backs would get back a cheaper, younger player with more “upside”. Joe
If Kelly has so much ‘upside’ then why dont we keep him ourselves? You make no sense with comments like that.
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:14 pm
Khalil Greene back on the Dl with Anxiety Disorder. Maybe Frenchy and KJ suffer from the same thing and must be Dl-ed.
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:15 pm
Original Jon, note the “”"” marks around the word “upside”. it was facetious. you make no sense.
Rob from SC
June 30th, 2009
1:15 pm
Freddy Sanchez has a 8 million option next year. Is Sanchez worth that amount of money.
ncscoots
June 30th, 2009
1:17 pm
Freddy Sanchez has a 8 million option next year. Is Sanchez worth that amount of money.
To the Braves? No.
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:17 pm
cabravesfan…
yeah, i know! it would be, impossible. it might take gonzo, hanson, vazquez and schafer and that might not be enough, lol. anyway, i was responding to someone else’s post.
jason
June 30th, 2009
1:18 pm
Klaus, Funny the Braves could back into the division winner without making a significant move. Who would have thought?
ncscoots
June 30th, 2009
1:21 pm
but it would add some thump to the OF we currently have. [Vernon Wells] looks like he needs a change of scenery
Japan wouldn’t be enough of a change to make that sub-.700 OPS look good, LOL. Might want to leave Vernon off your wish list. If “toronto’s not going anywhere but down…”, I’m afraid Wells is one of the reasons.
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2009
1:21 pm
joe-
I missed the original post, sorry
and if I were the D’Backs, it would take more then that…
Frankie Knuckles
June 30th, 2009
1:22 pm
Anxiety disorder –
Jesus! What would Mantle say?
Pennski
June 30th, 2009
1:24 pm
First post from Paul Lentz is railing Jeff. Give it a rest dude, we all know how you feel about him.
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:24 pm
If Kelly has so much ‘upside’ then why dont we keep him ourselves? You make no sense with comments like that.
- Original Jon
You’ve made no (that I can see) contributions other than that one on the blog for the last 3 hrs. Is that the best you can come up with, really? Is your sole purpose to point out semantics in other’s writing without even understanding the person’s post, or even basic “humor”? Give me a break.
GoBravos
June 30th, 2009
1:25 pm
Tom Verducci over at SI.com selects his All star Roster..i liked this part…
Catcher: Brian McCann*, Yadier Molina. The crop of catchers in the NL is so weak that the next best VORP behind McCann belongs to his backup, David Ross.
Frankie Knuckles
June 30th, 2009
1:26 pm
Rob from SC – They were going to pay Furcal more
Lamar Banks
June 30th, 2009
1:28 pm
Vernon Wells is not the answer. His in the middle of a deal which takes him into 2014. Its completely back loaded with 12.5m due next yr and OVER 21m due in each of the following yr. Plus he has a full no trade clause. He can even opt out after the 2011 season (which he won’t with that type of pay-day) Its the worst contract in baseball from a team’s perspective.
You might like his agent if you a major leaguer though
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
June 30th, 2009
1:28 pm
Lets say Mike Lowell is out for a significant time or is gone for the year. Buster Olney suggested they might look for a 1B and move Youklis to 3B. If that is the case the Braves could offer Kotchman, Escobar, Francoeur and Medlen to the Red Sox for Lowrie, Bucholz, Baldelli, and Lugo (if the Sox agree to eat a huge portion of his contract). Yes, the Braves are giving up more than they’ll receive but they would get a potential #2 if not #1 starter in Bucholz. Lowrie is a more than servicable SS and could become as good as Escobar. Baldelli if used right is a very good player who could be past his injury issues and Lugo is somebody who can help the team now. The Braves get rid of Francouer who at this point is way overpaid. Kotchman can be replaced by either Canizanes (sp?) or Prado and at this poin either would outproduce him. Yes, the defense would take a hit but is Kotchman’s defense really doing anything get the team wins or save losses? And with Escobar gone perhaps some of the issues that are arising in the clubhouse will be allieviated. The Red Sox could also throw in a near top tier prospect. Lord knows they are stacked enough to give one up.
PWHjort
June 30th, 2009
1:31 pm
McFann,
I just submitted my 25th all star ballot. All with McCann as my NL C, of course.
Supes
June 30th, 2009
1:33 pm
Tonight Derek Lowe has to step up. Need six or seven solid innings out of him!
Meanwhile…Blanton is very hittable and doesn’t throw 64mph (unlike CY WAKEFIELD), so Braves should be able to tee off!
Braves get to dodge Ibanez…who has owned Vazquez and hits some bombs against us early on in the year.
Braves must SWEEP this series, to show that they aren’t going to just be pretenders but be playing meaningful games in late July and August at least!
Last night some FANTASY trades were being proposed.
Yes, I’d love to have Nick Markakis, Adam Jones and Luke Scott from the O’s. Unfortunately it ain’t happening folks.
We aren’t going to trade big time prospects, and O’s don’t need anything else right now that we have.
As far as Sanchez from the Pirates…is he worth the 8 million…have you see our production out of 2B? Maybe, maybe not…but if the Braves unload KJ and Jeff in the off-season…that could amount close to 8 million that Sachez would make in 2010. Plus you can pencil him in at the number 2 slot in the lineup…freeing up Yunel to hit 5th or 6th in the order:)
Guy hits .300, plays solid D and is a gamer. So yeah…I think he’s “worth” the 8 Million Dollar Price Tag.
Problem is…what would the Bucks get in return, not sure we have anything of value to them left to give? Why would they want Vazquez, they are NOT one pitcher away from contending for anything…unless they just wanted to unload Sachez and bolster their rotation?
A trade has to make sense for both teams…contrary to popular opinion…the other 31 teams in MLB don’t exist to provide us with their “best players” while taking our “garbage” in return so they can help us out.
Braves garbage that can be throw into a trade package includes:
Jeff, Kelly, Blanco, Brandon Jones and one of our RH pen pitchers not named Gonzo or Soriano.
When healthy, Jo-Jo is a “tad above that” since he is a LH pitcher and there’s always a team willing to give those guys a shot.
cabravesfan
June 30th, 2009
1:35 pm
Supes-
not to nitpick, buddy, because I actually agree with a lot of what you wrote, but you called Gonzo right handed- he’s not (as I suspect you are fully aware)
Supes
June 30th, 2009
1:37 pm
If need be…Braves best and biggest trade chips in the month of july are:
1. Javy Vazquez (Contending teams will be calling for one solid starter to put them over the hill)
2. Mike Gonzalez (Lefty closer that can solidify a pen, be a set up or closer guy)
3. Rafael Soriano (Righty closer that can solidfy a pen, be a set up or closer guy)
4. Garret Anderson (similar to Mark Kotsay of last year, can be a veteran LH stick off the bench, spot start as a DH on an AL team, esp. now that he’s hitting a bit better than earlier in the year)
That’s the list reaslistically speaking.
I hesitate to put Yunel Escobar on there, b/c unless we a player of similar ability in return, wouldn’t make sense to trade him. Yunel is a future all-star SS or 3B in the making, book it!
P-Town Brave
June 30th, 2009
1:38 pm
Ok, Ive gotten extremely tired of ppl using the words Kelly Johnson and upside in the same sentence…
ITS OVER PEOPLE! YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT HIM! LET IT GO ALREADY!
Unfortunately the team is really handcuffed at this point…we could trade Gonzalez BUT risk having a weaker bullpen to implode by doing so and the only other pieces we should get rid of, Johnson and Francoeur couldn’t even get a decent high level prospect these days…so really, what can Frank do?!
We’ve heard Escobar and Vazquez floated around, but unless they’re out of the race all together, I think trading either makes the team weaker.
If the White Sox are out of the race by the end of the month (which Im not certain they will be) Jermaine Dye who is just hitting the cover off the ball will be available and the Braves can either choose to assume the rest of the 09 salary (highly unlikely) OR give up better prospects to get the Sox to chip in (more likely).
The only other real scenario I could see existing is for the Braves to match up w/ the A’s to snag Holliday and Crosby with the A’s assuming Crosby’s salary to get back Escobar and Francoeur…
IF only the deal of Johnson/Ludwick would have occured this past offseason…(and yes, I know Ludwick has struggled w/ his Avg)
jeffrey d
June 30th, 2009
1:40 pm
How long do you think Kelly Johnson can stay upside down?
Rob from SC
June 30th, 2009
1:40 pm
Frankie Knuckles
We wanted Furcal for his speed and leadoff ability.
P-Town Brave
June 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Supes-
I actually can agree on Sanchez that he is a gamer, although I am also unsure he’s worth the 8 Mil tag…
That being said, I would expect the Pirates are looking for more prospects and/or expiring contracts…so I don’t even know what we’d be giving them…
I just think at this point though, the team should be more focused on the RF situation simply because we still do have Prado IF we wanted to play him…no he’s not Sanchez by any means, but shouldn’t we deal w/ a more impending situation…
Also, if there’s any chance to get someone that can play 1b, I would jump at it because Casey is really starting to frighten me…Garrett Atkins anyone?!
Bud
June 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
Braves fans just need someone to love. Chipper is worn out. McCann can hit but cannot run, throw, block home, or block balls in dirt. Nobody else comes close. We need a new hero that is an everyday player. We need a new Crime Dog…
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:45 pm
with serious uncertainty surrounding Brandon Webb, i took a look at d-back’s roster for possible trade scenarios for one of our starters. i would be very depressed if i were a d-backs fan. they really have nothing besides upton. they’re paying doug davis 8.75 mill, eric byrnes 11.6 mill (DL, wow!!!), jon garland 6 mill. Their rotation with a healthy Webb was good, along with Haren and young Scherzer, but position players are meciocre at best (exluding upton and possibly drew).
Just thinking out loud.
Chop Chop
June 30th, 2009
1:46 pm
That McGriff trade was almost sixteen years ago.
Amazing.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2009
1:49 pm
“i wonder how stephen drew would be at 2nd”
Just as miserable as he does now. But I do have his bobble head, so that is nice.
ncscoots: C’mon now. You just aren’t being creative enough with the Wells trade. Suppose we get fifteen other teams to get involved in the trade and they all pick up about a million a piece of that contract the Braves would only owe him $110 million over the next five years!
Klaus
June 30th, 2009
1:50 pm
KJ has ten forks in him and a spatula. He is beyond done.
Staring at stats and hoping he plays into them at this point is crazy talk.
He needs to go to AAA b/c Bobby will continue to experiment with them all season. Prado is no dream date but he is a ballsy player who makes things happen.
KJ is a funk of biblical proportions and the team should not risk losing games while he figures it out.
Since Bobby has no self control re: his favorites you need to demote him like yesterday.
joe
June 30th, 2009
1:51 pm
excuse me, i forgot to mention Mark Reynolds, he is having a good season and hes 25.
P-Town Brave
June 30th, 2009
1:52 pm
Supes-
Actually you may have read it wrong…Freddie is actually closer to 3.05M for the rest of the season to have and the 2010 is a club option w/ a 0.6M buyout so that does make him a bit more enticing to go after…
P-Town Brave
June 30th, 2009
1:55 pm
Klaus-
Bobby likes his marginal white athletes…just ask Keith Lockhart
Oh, and before someone tries to throw the race card out at me, I’m white too…
Lamar Banks
June 30th, 2009
1:55 pm
Robert(Chipper is the Best)
In that 1:28 post Buster Olney only has the Red Sox benefiting from that trade. Yes they gave up a great pitching prospect but gained future all-star ss and received a solid 1st baseman who his for avg and plays gold glove defense. The braves are then left with a log jam at ss and then take another below performing player in Lugo and have to overpay to get him. Even if the Sox pay a portion of the contract. Baldelli would be addition be the subtraction of Francoeur, but is know long term fix. And the braves would lose avg a defense in ss and 1st base on a team that already struggling. They would then have 7 starting pitchers. It would take all off-season just to undo the mess that trade would create.
Olney must be a RED SOX fan
TnBrian
June 30th, 2009
1:55 pm
Guys, sometimes you just have to realize that getting all hyped up over something you know you can’t control is retarded. Bobby ain’t benching Kelly because he is streaky and Bobby feels he’ll “break out” at any time. Just chill, KJ should be gone next year… Lord, lets all hope so. I like him and he does show emotion, but he isn’t cut out for a Bobby Cox type team, meaning Cox will overplay him to the highest degree.
getsomewins
June 30th, 2009
1:56 pm
Apparently they like declining players who have no real position or fit on there team. Typical Yankees. All that money and not a clue as to how to run a team.
AMEN! Finally someone who hates the Yankees as much as I do. The dumbest management in all of their enabler, Major League Baseball.
getsomewins
June 30th, 2009
1:58 pm
Buster Olney is a complete idiot for suggesting a trade like that. He must be a RED SOX fan.
McFann :Ô:
June 30th, 2009
1:59 pm
PWHjort–
Great going! Got anymore e-mail addresses? You could vote again…
Bud McCann can hit but cannot run, throw, block home, or block balls in dirt.
You serious? Dude cann run: He’s stolen 11 outta 14 bases in his career. 2 triples in the last two years combined…
Dude cann throw this year: Has caught 23% of would-be base-stealers this year, as opposed to 18% last year. Our pitchers also don’t hold runners on very well.
Dude cann block pitches in the dirt: Only 3 PB this year.
He does tend to stay out in front of homeplate…but GA never throws home, so it really doesn’t matter…
IDK…I don’t have a hard time loving BMac.
BravesfaninWis
June 30th, 2009
2:00 pm
Damn, are the Braves going to be linked to any big time hitter before the trade deadline? Sometimes I wonder if they even want to win games the way they do things..
AndyC
June 30th, 2009
2:00 pm
McFann
That is a very specific dream you had last night…but I would still take it. 2 runs are still 2 runs even if BMac doesn’t get both RBI.
Rob from SC
June 30th, 2009
2:01 pm
It has been 1 minute but I already like Josh better than Chip
Shamus Thacker
June 30th, 2009
2:01 pm
I can remember arriving home on the night McGriff came to town. Galfriend (at time) met me at the door to inform that the stadium was “BURNING DOWN!” Her slight overstatement had me picturing the Hindenburg as I ran for the TV.
Great memory of a great point in time…
Original Jon
June 30th, 2009
2:04 pm
Joe, really? Unlike you I dont have the time to sit here and hit refresh every two seconds and read this blog note for note like you do. I actually have a job to do. So forgive me for noticing your post out of all of them and thinking that it made no sense to trade a player who has so much ‘upside’ whether it be facetious or not.
DAP
June 30th, 2009
2:04 pm
10paul
think stephen drew might be a worthy risk at 2nd base for the braves. he has the potential to be very good offensively. even as bad as he is slumping this year, he is OPSing .733. he has very good power, and last year had 76 extra base hits. thats impressive.
J williams
June 30th, 2009
2:07 pm
The Braves have to win 2 of 3 from Philly to keep their fans’ hope alive. Anything less will cause Brave Fan to give up on the seasn.
ncscoots
June 30th, 2009
2:10 pm
ncscoots: C’mon now. You just aren’t being creative enough with the Wells trade.
TennPaul, I’m tryin’, man, really. I’m doing my best to get into proposing some of these parallel-universe trades; it’s just slow going for me.
I’m sure I’ll be able to turn it around by the All-Star break, and then just watch me: I’ll be firing off bizarro-trades-with-less-logical-basis-than-chances-of-actually-happening with the best of them. You’ll see.
hhmmm
June 30th, 2009
2:10 pm
who the hell wants to win the division with this team. They will be swept in the 1st round. Waste.
brent a.
June 30th, 2009
2:13 pm
We also need to win 2/3 b/c we are at home . . . I’m tired of losing at home.
Lamar Banks
June 30th, 2009
2:14 pm
ncscoots
LMAO at your 2:10 post.
brent a.
June 30th, 2009
2:15 pm
hhhmmmmmm,
I always want to win the division. This isn’t the NBA.
getting into the baseball play-offs is a huge opportunity.
Roman Gal
June 30th, 2009
2:15 pm
Solution: Let’s trade Schafer, Brandon Jones, and Medlen for DUNN and WHILLINGHAM
what do you think?
What do I think? I think it’s preposterous!!! Just replace Schafer with someone else not named Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg and then we’ll talk.
Roman Gal
June 30th, 2009
2:16 pm
Just for the record, I felt sorta bad about the whole spider thing last night…but to be honest, I chickened out. McFann
I never like that movie, Charlotte’s Web.
getsomewins
June 30th, 2009
2:16 pm
Braves win 2 of 3, they pick up one game. They sweep, they pick up 3.
Obviously they need to win 2 of 3
jason
June 30th, 2009
2:18 pm
McFann :Ô, BMac is good, and as you have pointed out, he is getting even better.
Lamar Banks
June 30th, 2009
2:19 pm
Bizarro world trade update:
BSPN just confirmed that Albert Pujols and Tony LaRussa have be traded to the Braves for Bobby Cox and Casey Kotchman. Its also believed the the Big Mac advertisement in left field will also be included since Pujols has fond memories of his homerun that blew out the “I” in Big Mac.
jason
June 30th, 2009
2:20 pm
DAP, Stephen will just pull a JD on us….
Original Jon
June 30th, 2009
2:21 pm
getsomewins, Buster didnt propose that trade, the guy that wrote that post did. And supes, not sure if anyone told you, but Raul Ibanez on the DL.
Shamus Thacker
June 30th, 2009
2:21 pm
J Williams, Braves fans (the ones here anyway) give up on the season after each and every loss. Playoff talk follows a win BTW.
Goodoleboy
June 30th, 2009
2:22 pm
BravesDA
Those same Bluejays who are going “no where but down” would have a 9 game lead on the Braves and about a 2 and 1/2 game lead in the NL East
ncscoots
June 30th, 2009
2:23 pm
What do I think? I think it’s preposterous!!! Just replace Schafer with someone else not named Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg and then we’ll talk.
Riaan, MY man! Somebody thinks Freddy Sanchez is a “gamer”? You want bad intentions, try a kid who went through grade school with THAT name.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
June 30th, 2009
2:23 pm
Lamar Banks,
Not a bad deal at all. They could play it off as acquiring the sign for Brian McCann as well.
Rob from SC
June 30th, 2009
2:24 pm
I wonder if where Jordan Schafer holds the bat might be the reason for him struggling. He keeps his hands a little lower than his chest. He also holds them out front. He can’t generate proper bat speed when the pitcher throws the fastball right at his hands. Most batter hold the hands higher in their setup to generate bat speed when the begin thier swing. While holding their hands high and back they are able to generate speed while moving their hands forward. Hopefully that is correctable. What do you guys think.
ncscoots
June 30th, 2009
2:24 pm
Lamar, somebody here just went, “Bizarro? What’s so strange about that? I like the deal, just wouldn’t include the sign.”
David O'Brien
June 30th, 2009
2:25 pm
NEW BLOGGAGE
DAP
June 30th, 2009
2:27 pm
jasonDAP, Stephen will just pull a JD on us….
if you mean having an MVP caliber year…i actually think hes capable of that. if you mean splitting after a year, i dont think you dont have to worry about that because im pretty sure he has two more years of arbitration.
jason
June 30th, 2009
2:30 pm
DAP, Could be, I was looking at the bloodlines.
TRADE, TRADE, TRADE, TRADE, TRADE
June 30th, 2009
2:31 pm
As I reported yesterday, the Braves have dealt Javier Vazquez to the Phillies for Jason Werth and a player to be named later. Weird, considering the series starts today.
Roman Gal
June 30th, 2009
2:32 pm
Imagine had they brough him up early to have a Schafer-esque result.
Hanson would be in a corner somewhere crying his eyes out.
getsomewins
June 30th, 2009
2:32 pm
Braves need to see what Cleveland would take for V-Mart (anyone not named Jason Heyward or Tommy Hanson).
I think Cleveland MIGHT take Freeman, Medlen, Francoeur, Kelly Johnson, and a low level prospect.
Next, deal Kotchman to the Red Sox for Ramon Ramirez
getsomewins
June 30th, 2009
2:41 pm
Then trade Garret Anderson to Rays for Joe Nelson
6-4-3
June 30th, 2009
3:05 pm
The Nationals traded Milledge and Hanrahan to the Pirates for Nyjer Morgan and Sean Burnett. That gives the Nationals yet another outfielder to the stockpile. They’re gonna have to trade one of them at this point. I see either Dunn or Willingham gone pretty soon.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2009
3:15 pm
“think stephen drew might be a worthy risk at 2nd base for the braves. he has the potential to be very good offensively”
I recall this as the reasoning behind KJ. “he has the potential to be very good offensively”.
I’m disinclined to depend on another Drew.
TennesseePaul
June 30th, 2009
3:17 pm
Pirates just traded with the Yanks: Hinske for Casey Erickson and outfielder Eric Fryer
c jonze
July 2nd, 2009
2:23 pm
test
herbK
July 3rd, 2009
5:11 pm
Who cares? this philandering deadbeat makes 15mil +/per year. He can’t perform? Fire his a$$ & delete his contract.
jlewis
July 3rd, 2009
9:58 pm
Why try tomreurrect nthe dead?