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nolie
June 29th, 2009
5:32 pm
wren trades vazquez and kotchman for prince fielder, and then signs mike cameron to a one year deal (maybe two) with an option (DAP)
can’t get over that crush on Cameron can you dude? No deal
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
5:32 pm
The only one that is solid defensively right now is possibly Heyward. Johnson and Freeman both need some more seasoning.
None of them would be able to hit in the majors right now.
I don’t think that’s exactly true. Heyward and Freeman are good defensively. They both make mental mistakes right now. I think Heyward could get by in the majors right now hitting. I think it would be a horrible mistake to bring him up now, but I don’t think he would embarass himself.
Salamander
June 29th, 2009
5:33 pm
Jeremy Burnitz is on that list twice…
A-Rod is on there.
Looks like re-hash of Mitchell Report + some other guys.
jason
June 29th, 2009
5:33 pm
nolie, Apparently he didn’t see that series earlier this year when Cam let that ball go through his legs and all the way to the wall. I think that was one of Francouer’s 3Bs this year.
CB
June 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
Chop Chop, are you baiting McFann?
bmacnation.com
June 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
jason,
lol, i hope this offense isn’t reflecting chippers work…
Efrim
June 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
“Three way deal… Braves, Brewers, White Sox… Brewers get Vazquez, White Sox get Brewers prospects and Francoeur, Braves get Jermaine Dye… What do ya think?”
We’re getting back Mat Gamel and Alcides Escobar including Dye, right? No? We aren’t?!!?!
Just one simple question. What did Javier Vazquez do to make you hate him?
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
nolie-
You think we could get Ryan Freel from the Cubs for Vasquez? I’d do it as long as we don’t have to include Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg.
jason
June 29th, 2009
5:36 pm
bmacnation.com Me either, but he has been helping like 1/2 the team hasn’t he. All I know is he can roll out of bed and hit. He loves talking about it. Could go all day long. Here’s an idea. Why not hire McCann and Jones as hitting consultants. I meant their dads…..
Jman
June 29th, 2009
5:36 pm
I dont HATE Vazquez… This team is hopeless on offense. and stacked in the pitching department… You deal from strength. This deal works moneywise and talent wise.
McFann :Ô:
June 29th, 2009
5:36 pm
jason @ 5:02–
No sweat…
cabravesfan–
I’m betting he breaks out, too…but we all know how I am at predicting stuff like that.
Just look at what he did (or didn’t do, really) during that last trip to Cincy…
Roman Gal, Chop Chop–
Oh man…you two are asking for it!
RS-F is going to the Hall of Fame. He’s going to come up this week…
Careful what you wish for, girl! Careful what you wish for…
True Braves Fans–
I’m doing my part! I lost count a while ago, but I’m thinking I’m somewhere between 225-275 votes. (I have a ton of made-up e-mail addresses!
)
True Braves Fans
June 29th, 2009
5:37 pm
Ok I’m calling my friends for their email addresses to help Mac get voted in. Am I bordering on McFannism…???
jason
June 29th, 2009
5:37 pm
Roman Gal, thought Freel played for the Orioles. Ryan Theroit?
Chop Chop
June 29th, 2009
5:38 pm
CB,
I’m not baiting McFann. I’m ribbing her.
It takes all kinds of fans to make up a fan base. She’s a good fann.
True Braves Fans
June 29th, 2009
5:38 pm
made up addresses hmmmm novel concept….:)
bmacnation.com
June 29th, 2009
5:39 pm
jason, thats the most intelligent idea i’ve read on this blog all day
jason
June 29th, 2009
5:39 pm
McFann :Ô: on your last post, don’t forget that you and BMac will be traded to STLouis for Molina and Pujols as a throw in.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
5:40 pm
First Rounder Drew Stubbs and the Bats will take on Jordan Schafer and the Gwinnett Braves on Tuesday on MLB Network at 2:00pm.
Ok, I expect those of you with MLB Network to watch. Mmk?
jason
June 29th, 2009
5:41 pm
bmacnation.com, Yeah, isn’t that who the two most accomplished hitters on the team turn to?
McFann :Ô:
June 29th, 2009
5:41 pm
Thanks, Chop Chop!
True Braves Fans Am I bordering on McFannism…???
Hmm…you’re getting there. Not sure if that’s something you want…
made up addresses hmmmm novel concept
Ain’t it, though? I started that last year…
This is what’s wrong with online voting. But, ya gotta do what ya gotta do…
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
5:41 pm
McFann-
You make me smile.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
5:42 pm
jason-
I think he started the year for Baltimore, but now plays with the Cubbies.
TnBrian
June 29th, 2009
5:43 pm
Reading Lowry and Buchholz’ names for Escobar. I’m sure it would take another player or prospect to get that done, but none of us know if the Sox are even willing to trade either one. But, I’d do it because of that pitcher, Bucholz. Doubt it would happen since he’s their Hanson. You don’t need your SS to be Hanely Ramirez, just be sharp out at SS and even though Escobar is, we all know by now that he’s on Bobby’s sh** list for his bone headed, arrogant style…he won’t be a Brave for long, I can feel a trade coming.
McFann :Ô:
June 29th, 2009
5:43 pm
Jason–
True. That oughta help him get more votes…
Roman Gal–
Thanks…Glad to oblige!
David O'Brien
June 29th, 2009
5:44 pm
yes, McFann’s right: it’s 6-for-7 with TWO homers for Mac off Blanton, not one homer.
Speaking of Blanton, the Lowe-Blanton pitching matchup would certainly seem to favor the Braves. Of course, given the way Lowe’s pitched lately…
But anyway, check it out:
– Blanton is 0-1 with a 9.64 ERA in three starts against the Braves, including a 9.64 ERA in two this season (12 innings, 17 hits, 13 runs).
– Lowe is 5-0 with a 2.14 ERA in seven starts against the Phillies since 2005, including eight scoreless innings of two-hit ball in an opening-day Braves win this season at Philly.
nolie
June 29th, 2009
5:46 pm
Nady,Guererro, Ankiel,Abreu,Cameron would be plan B’s. So there arent that many desirable options on the free agent list. Acquiring the bat through a trade may be more reasonable. (sri)
Nady will likely be out all of next season. If you have paid attention over the years then you know that the Braves are not regular users of free agency. There is a very good chance that they would try to improve through a trade and having as much payroll flexibility as possible would make an acquisition easier
True Braves Fans
June 29th, 2009
5:46 pm
There are worse things than McFannism: Loafism and Francineism come to mind. Does anyone have a weird voting habit like me? I refuse to vote for any Yankees or Red Sox. They have enough support anyway.
jason
June 29th, 2009
5:48 pm
Roman Gal, First Rounder Drew Stubbs and the Bats will take on Jordan Schafer and the Gwinnett Braves on Tuesday on MLB Network at 2:00pm.
Thanks, I was not aware.
bmacnation.com, Maybe we could get one to be manager. They could even alternate.
Supes
June 29th, 2009
5:48 pm
Phillies SP this year…MEDIOCRE at best.
Let’s see what the Braves will do with Blanton 1st…normally a guy who doesn’t scare anyone and has a nice straight fastball that good fastball hitters (Mac, Chipper and Yunel) can drive!
It’ll be nice to shut up John Kincade for a few days!
N8
June 29th, 2009
5:49 pm
Jman, don’t bother suggesting any trades that make sense. Don’t throw terms around like “trade from strength”.
WAAAAY too many Vazquez slurpers on here to think straight. They think Frank Wren is going to magically create a RH guy to play RF who is going to hit 25 HR after July 1st. Then everything will be alright.
These guys would rather we keep Vazquez, go into next year without the same problems we have right now (because the free agent market isn’t there – btw Paul Lentz, I’m still waiting for that list, I didn’t forget about you), THEN have Vazquez walk after next year. That way they can sit around wondering why we aren’t winning?
You can’t suggest anything without being called a hater. These guys would argue for keeping Charles Manson on the team if he was having a career year.
You’ve got three options:
1) Shut up and act like you don’t care, offering zero suggestions for discussion.
2) Make suggestions at the risk of hurting the feelings of somebody who likes said player(s) you suggest trading.
3) Make suggestions using only the players that NOBODY likes, then prepare to get ridiculed because it’s not “fantasy” baseball, and “no GM would go for that”.
Or you could just nod and agree with all the people that say “it’s still early” and the turnaround is coming. “Just be patient”. Good days lie ahead.
Or, just keep doing what you’re doing and battle back. But stats, history, and common sense doesn’t prevail.
Like it or not members of the Javier Vazquez fan club. He’s one of the 3 biggest trade chips Wren has. If we’re 6 or more games back July 31st, he’ll be gone, and the Braves will be better because of it.
bmacnation.com
June 29th, 2009
5:50 pm
True Braves Fans,
Yes, I do. I refuse to vote for Rex Sox or Yankees, but not because they already have enough support. I just don’t like the Rex Sox or Yankees.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
June 29th, 2009
5:50 pm
Just read where the Jays are ready to free up money to sign Hallady by moving Wells and/or Alex Rios. They are about to take any offer. If this is true the Braves should heavily consdier Alex Rios.
jason
June 29th, 2009
5:51 pm
Roman Gal, I think so. I could have sworn he scored a game winning run for the Cubs over the weekend.
True Braves Fans, That’s what I did. They get to many bandwogon jumpers.
Pennski
June 29th, 2009
5:52 pm
N8, I busted Paul Lentz on the whole Diaz vs. Frenchie debate and gave him #’s to show that the reason Diaz has better #’s is because most of his at bats come against lefties, and he never responded to that. When Paul loses an argument, he acts like he doesn’t see your posts like a little girl. he can’t admit he was wrong.
jason
June 29th, 2009
5:55 pm
Rios, I am curious about. He seems to have worn out his welcome in Toronto. At least that’s what I read about a month ago. What would we have to give up?
True Braves Fans
June 29th, 2009
5:55 pm
My main reason not for voting for the Yankees is Tex. And that whole World Series thing a few years ago that Yankee fans just can’t seem to let go. However I have the solution vote for the Texas Rangers half our team is over there anyway.
Steve in NC
June 29th, 2009
5:57 pm
Roman Gal-
I agree with you IF you think Jordan Shafer didn’t embarass himself earlier this season. Because it would be similar results. I saw him hit last week. He didn’t exactly kill the ball against Sean Gleason (who is not one of the Orioles top propects by any means). When I think of guys I saw at single-A that I knew were ready, I think of Andruw Jones, Richie Sexton and Manny Ramirez. Those guys were killing single-A pitching night-in and night-out.
It takes time to develop these players. No need to rush them.
CB
June 29th, 2009
5:58 pm
Chop Chop, she’s the best, but I’m starting to worry about her language.:-)
CorkylikesBeer
June 29th, 2009
5:59 pm
I guess with the numbers that McCann has against Blanton we will wait till Wed to complete the McFann and McCann trade for Pujols…Pack your bags…McFann…you are leaving on Wed
MiaBchBravesFan
June 29th, 2009
5:59 pm
Wow, was it really worthy of censorship!?
glord
June 29th, 2009
6:00 pm
Jason he has worn out his welcome because he has underperformed and is a bit of a jerk.
N8
June 29th, 2009
6:00 pm
Pennski, no doubt. At this point, I’m just going to keep hounding him for my own enjoyment. I’m never afraid to admit being wrong. I’ll either concede, or pound the pavement looking for info/stats to back my thoughts up.
Paul kept saying our best bet is to keep Vazquez and let Hudson walk, because we can use Hudson’s money in free agency. All I asked him for was a list of potential free agents that would A) Want to come to the Braves, and B) Not block guys like Schafer and Heyward.
Still waiting. Going to be waiting for a while. Because there are no such players. Which is why trading Vazquez is the best option. Always has been. Always will be, unless Hudson’s arm falls off.
P-Town Brave
June 29th, 2009
6:02 pm
Jason-
Enjoying your lineups most of the day…
I think they would want young talent for Rios considering they are talking about cutting salary so they can keep Halladay after the year is up…so that means no pawning Francoeur or Johnson off unfortunately…maybe trade some prospects to Toronto for Rios and then send Francoeur and Johnson to another team who can take on salary for prospects…San Francisco? (just to throw out a name)
MiaBchBravesFan
June 29th, 2009
6:03 pm
DOB, please check my 5:14 post and see if it was really inappropriate. Or was it the Español that made the AJC editors cringe? I did profer a direct English translation while the Spanish version was for Escobar’s perusal (I know someone would’ve gotten it to him).
N8
June 29th, 2009
6:03 pm
“If you have paid attention over the years then you know that the Braves are not regular users of free agency.” nolie
Woah! Slow down big fella. NOBODY wants to hear or read that logic. This is the Atlanta Braves. We’ve got Bobby Cox and money to burn after this year. Wren’s going to be walking around the Winter Meetings with a fishing pole with millions of dollars hanging off the hook, and the free agents are going to bite like crazy.
Braves don’t go after free agents? Thats just crazy talk. Didn’t we sign Greg Maddux in 1993? Duh!
P-Town Brave
June 29th, 2009
6:04 pm
N8-
Your 5:49 hit it right on the head…the stuff I basically think about on here on a daily basis…good work!
Tell It Like It Is
June 29th, 2009
6:05 pm
N8,
If the Braves would be better off without Vazquez, who or whom would the Braves get in return that would make them better off? Personally, I enjoy watching him pitch even when he gets no support from the anemic hitters on this team. I am just trying to understand your logic.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
6:07 pm
I agree with you IF you think Jordan Shafer didn’t embarass himself earlier this season.
This feels like a trap.
nolie
June 29th, 2009
6:07 pm
For me, the first place to look with a starting pitcher, is his ERA.
SIGH
CCjacket
June 29th, 2009
6:08 pm
Gwinnett Braves game vs. Louisville…
Schafer, etc.
for those in the ATL area, live tonight, 7:00, CSS.
nolie
June 29th, 2009
6:09 pm
but boy can he hit. (DAP)
No he can’t. Boy does he have power. Yes, that is true.
Rob from SC
June 29th, 2009
6:09 pm
When Gwinnett playing on MLBNETWORK
Pennski
June 29th, 2009
6:11 pm
You are exactly right n8. I don’t want to get rid of Vazquez, because the Dude has been dealing. Besides, it’s not exactly like Vazquez is a 2mill per year person. Dude get’s paid alot, and if we decide to not bring back GA and Frenchie, plus we are going to lose Gonzo and Soriano, the money is going to be there, granted there are going to be more things to pay for then…
jason
June 29th, 2009
6:12 pm
Jason he has worn out his welcome because he has underperformed and is a bit of a jerk.
Cross him off the list…
P-Town Brave, That’s why I wouldn’t deal this year. We don’t have the prospects to trade. Our farm is dring up. We have the pitching to compete for the next 2 years. ATL needs to decide on keeping Huddy or Vasquez. Javy traded for a MLB ready bat and prospects, or release Huddy in hopes of finding and signing that bat. I don’t know why people think we have all these resources to just trade by the deadline.
dgd
June 29th, 2009
6:15 pm
I don’t think the Red Sox are willing to trade Bucholz for anyone, least of all a shortstop with an attitude problem. Maybe Lowrie and Michael Bowden for Escobar and Francouer? They’re high on Bowden, but he’s definitely a rung below Bucholz…
nolie
June 29th, 2009
6:17 pm
Although, I’m not sure exactly what they were thinking when they drafted him in the first round (RG)
he was considered the best HS power hitter in the draft and he had a huge summer with the wooden bats. They were aware that he could be a long term project, but he’s not the first of that type that they drafted. Back when their first choice was pretty low they drafted a good many of that type. Thorman,Helms, Troy Cameron, Lombard etc. really none of them ever amounted to a hill of beans. The truth is that just cause a guy has power and even athleticism doesn’t mean he is ever gonna learn to be a good hitter. Most don’t. I wasn’t too happy with them picking Minor this year in the draft but I was very happy that they didn’t picl Tate. He may develop, but the odds are always long on those guys.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
6:19 pm
Steve in NC-
I’m not going to argue with you, because I think it would be stupid to bring him up this year. So, that makes it stupid to argue whether or not he could come up here and not embarrass himself.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
6:20 pm
nolie-
I agree with you. He’s just going to take some patience. That’s what I’ve been trying to say. Like I said, high risk/high reward.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
6:22 pm
nolie-
Oh, and I don’t even want to talk about Minor. I wouldn’t be too terribly upset if the Braves failed to sign him…but I doubt that’ll happen.
Mixxo
June 29th, 2009
6:25 pm
J Ro back in the lineup Tues.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4294980
Ballgame!
McFann :Ô:
June 29th, 2009
6:27 pm
DOB yes, McFann’s right: it’s 6-for-7 with TWO homers for Mac off Blanton, not one homer.
YES! Never question my knowledge of the current Atlanta Braves Catcher!!
True Braves Fans There are worse things than McFannism: Loafism and Francineism come to mind.
This is true…
I don’t vote for any American Leaguers. I don’t like the AL–they cheat (DH).
CorkylikesBeer–
Oh goody! One more day with the Braves! I don’t know how I’m gonna explain the suitcases to my family, though…
CB–
Thanks! My language? Come on, I haven’t said “fiddlesticks” in a long time…
Scott Anderson
June 29th, 2009
6:29 pm
We all know whats coming next.
Chipper goes down with a hammy injury after tripping over first base.
Braves should have traded or released Larry after last year.
He has no incentive to play well anymore.
He is coasting again.
Larry , Larry , Larry
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2009
6:29 pm
Can we quit saying the word “mediocre” on here? I know it’s quite accurate to describe pretty much every aspect of the Braves, but it’s very overused.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2009
6:30 pm
Scott – Any relation to Garret?
Heath (Cleveland)
June 29th, 2009
6:32 pm
I think Rios’ contract was 6yrs/$64M with a $13.5M option for 2015. Rios would probably do pretty well batting behind Chipper and in front of McCann….but if Toronto is looking to “dump” salary…are the Braves really all that realistic to be trade partners?
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
6:34 pm
Actually, I’m probably just bitter…which is nothing new.
CorkylikesBeer
June 29th, 2009
6:35 pm
McFann..St. Louis is a great baseball town.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
6:35 pm
Come on, I haven’t said “fiddlesticks” in a long time…
Says the person who came up with “Jerkish Nutbag”
cabravesfan
June 29th, 2009
6:37 pm
Says the person who came up with “Jerkish Nutbag”
Which might be my favorite insult EVER
N8
June 29th, 2009
6:38 pm
Tell It Like It Is, imo (and that’s all it is), since we have PLENTY of pitching and Vazquez is the easiest piece to sell off, it doesn’t matter who we get. At this point, KJ and Jeff are so bad, that ANYBODY we get for them (provided we can find a pitcher to give us “league average” starts in Vazquez’s place – Medlen?), the team would be better off.
Vazquez has made 16 starts. We are 6-10 in those games. Certainly not his fault. He’s been fantastic. Again, I’m not a Javy-Hater. If we replaced him (or any one of our starting pitchers), with a RF or 2B that can provide protection for Chipper and Mac, and produce runs himself (along with playing good defense), the TEAM would be bettter off.
Not only would we have a better shot at playing .500 ball in the starts that would be made by whoever replaced Javier, we would have a better chance at winnng more than we lose in all of the other games started by other pitchers.
It’s different than when we added Tex. That team needed pitching. Not another hitter. Thus, it didn’t make a difference. If Hudson is healthy, adding him to this team in August will be equal to the results of adding Tex in 2007. It will be a non-factor. Just one more guy to add to the mix of guys that don’t get enough run support.
I don’t specifically know who Wren has talked to about trading for certain guys. So I’m not going to do what the other bloggers do, and speculate and offer silly trade proposals (of WHO TO GET). It is different than Paul Lentz suggesting to use free agency, then not being able to provide a list of applicable free agents.
Who saw the McLouth trade coming? NOBODY. That’s who. So anything is possible. I just know that Vazquez is the biggest trade chip currently on the 25 man roster. One could argue that Soriano and Gonzo are bigger chips and could bring more return. Maybe so. But if we got rid of one of those, we would be weakening our bullpen.
Sure, trading Vazquez will weaken our rotation. But by 20 percent. Not 50 percent, or 100 percent like trading Soriano and Gonzo would do to our backend pitching strength.
In order to STILL contend this year, Wren must either: A) Trade from an area of strenght on the 25 man roster (along with replacing one of KJ and Jef with whoever he trades for), or B)trade a “blue-chip” prospect like Schafer, Heyard or Freeman.
Me? I vote for Vazquez. No hate involved. Just simple logic, that I don’t think is that far off-base.
If Wren doesn’t want to contend this year, and wants Vazquez in his rotation next year, then of course KEEP HIM. Let Hudson walk, and trade one (or both) of Soriano and Gonzo. Along with Garret. Surely an AL team would give us a mid-range prospect to have him on their bench for a PH/DH down the stretch.
Garret could EASILY be an AL team’s version of what Devereaux or Polonia were for us in 95.
It all comes down to what Wren assesses this team can do this year or not. If Wren figures out a way to replace BOTH Jeff and KJ and only give up one of the guys in our rotation (who could be replaced with Medlen in the 5th spot – occasionally skipping him with off-days), this team can and very well MIGHT make the playoffs.
But with KJ and Jeff getting 3-5 AB’s each per game? No chance in hell.
Hope that sums it up.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
6:38 pm
cab-
Mine too.
brewdawg
June 29th, 2009
6:39 pm
Awww now N8, it’s not that people can’t make suggestions without being “haters”, it’s just that you act like such an arrogant, holier-than-thou, miserable SOB sometimes that people just want you to be wrong about everything- even when they might secretly agree with you. It’s the nature of the beast my friend.
PWHjort
June 29th, 2009
6:40 pm
Badnews.
Duh. But he’s traditionally hit better from the left side so bringing in a LOOGY is a favorable match-up for an opposing manager.
PWHjort
June 29th, 2009
6:43 pm
Great article on Buddy and Diabetes: http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090629&content_id=5599516&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl
McFann :Ô:
June 29th, 2009
6:44 pm
CorkylikesBeer–
[sigh]…so I’ve heard…
Roman Gal Says the person who came up with “Jerkish Nutbag”
Whoops!
Forgot about that one…
Glad you and cabravesfan like it, though.
nolie
June 29th, 2009
6:44 pm
Rios, I am curious about. He seems to have worn out his welcome in Toronto. (Jason)
Do you think they would take Hanson for him?
I can’t believe anyone is talking Rios, he has a horrible contract for what he brings to a team.Is there any sanity on this board, anywhere? God help us all !!!
ncscoots
June 29th, 2009
6:47 pm
[jerkish nutbag] might be my favorite insult EVER
Agreed. Though I have also grown partial to “doo-doo head” and “numbletard”. Not in the same league, of course, but those have their utility.
N8
June 29th, 2009
6:47 pm
Tell It Like It Is, I meant to tell you that I’m not guaranteeing we’d be better WITHOUT Vazquez. I think the odds would go up considerably, by replacing one of our good starting pitchers with a couple of more bats that can help EVERY day.
I’m really open to trading whichever pitcher would need to be traded to make this happen out of KK, Lowe and Vazquez.
But many have given various reasons that make sense as to why Vazquez is the only real choice. D-Lowe’s contract is not moveable. And many have speculated that our (the Braves) relationship with Japan would be damaged if KK was traded 4 months into his ML career. Leaving Vazquez.
Believe me. From an “on the field” standpoint, this year and track record? I’d move KK. But his salary is the smallest, and he might come around. D-Lowe has been struggling, but his track record shows he’ll rebound. Vazquez? Outstanding this year so far. But HIS track record shows he might not keep this up.
It’s a crap-shoot. JJJ will more than likely not spend his entire career in Atlanta. We’ve got him for a few more years, but when he hits arbitration, he’s going to be RICH. And being a Boras client, unless Wren overpays for him, he’ll be gone. Sure we got Lowe, but we overpaid for him.
As for the future? Who knows? Maybe we get a pitcher in a trade for Vazquez, that like JJJ hasn’t been given a chance on a contending team, and in 2011 is another YOUNG anchor for our future? IMO, that would be better than hanging on to Javier, and NOT making the playoffs next year, and then losing him for draft picks.
My definition of “better” might not neccesarily mean immediate improvement. I’m not afraid to look long-haul.
ncscoots
June 29th, 2009
6:49 pm
I can’t believe anyone is talking [Alex] Rios
A no-doubter doo-doo head.
jason
June 29th, 2009
6:50 pm
N8, I agree with that, but I don’t think we can contend this year. However, If we could get a starting RF and 2B, MLB starters, then I would pull the trigger on that deal. I just don’t think there is a team out there that could do that. Everyone is looking for offense. Post steriods has turned alot of sluggers into easy outs. I don’t see a team that loaded who can make that deal. I know FW is not going to just trade Javy fro prospects. That would go against why they signed him in the first place. But you do have a valid point. Who do you have in mind as a possible partner? Just your opinion. I don’t think you will go all insane on me.
Nova Scotia Steve
June 29th, 2009
6:50 pm
ok so we’re done with the Red Sox/Yanks/Red Sox portion of the season and our 5 games out…
We NEED..I repeat…WE NEED to win at least 2/3 from Philly during this series..
This may be the biggest series Atlanta has had to this point…Then not to look to far ahead…The Phillies then go on to play the Mets for three games and we have the Nationals…Opportunity is knocking and it has been for the past two weeks…
But we need to answer this could be our season these next 12-13 games before the all-star break…Thoughts?
McFann :Ô:
June 29th, 2009
6:52 pm
Thanks, ncscoots!
Hmm…does coming up with a “funny” insult really entitle me to bragging rights?
Great article, PWHjort! I’m really pulling for Buddy. Hope he cann get back out there and do well.
jason
June 29th, 2009
6:52 pm
nolie, I didn’t know about his contract. I don’t do their finances. I was just asking about a fit. I actually didn’t know his price was that high. You could have just said so.
CorkylikesBeer
June 29th, 2009
6:52 pm
N8…how many redbulls did you drink today
ncscoots
June 29th, 2009
6:54 pm
But we need to answer this could be our season these next 12-13 games before the all-star break…Thoughts?
Jeez, I thought it was the CURRENT 12-13 games that would “be the season”, LOL. You know, Yanks, Red Sox, Phillies, and all that.
I’m so confused.
CB
June 29th, 2009
6:55 pm
scoots, I think we should trade Hudson for Rios,what do you think
the hope of the braves nation rests in your hands mr hanson
June 29th, 2009
6:56 pm
so when you are submitting your all-star ballots you wouldnt vote for jason bay because he is a red sock?
he is just leading the AL in rbi…. he should be there. granted he would probably be there anyway with the amount of fans the sox have but he is still the best of the best this year in the AL.
i hate the sox and yanks as much as anyone, but when i vote i do so for the best players regardless of uniform. by best, i mean, the best so far in 2009.
i voted for tex and bay…..
CorkylikesBeer
June 29th, 2009
6:56 pm
I am glad that Braves played in a golf tournament…KJ needs some time away from baseball and to relax
N8
June 29th, 2009
6:57 pm
“… it’s just that you act like such an arrogant, holier-than-thou, miserable SOB sometimes that people just want you to be wrong about everything- even when they might secretly agree with you. It’s the nature of the beast my friend.” brewdawg
So, let me get this right? People secretly agree with me (maybe?), but since they hate me, they publicly (”on the blog”) disagree with me, and then call ME a hater?
Gotcha. As for your adjectives?
Arrogant? Nope. Just like to think of myself as somebody who backs up my opinions (right or wrong), with what I feel are stats/facts that prove that I’m correct in thinking like I do on whatever that subject/topic is.
Holier than though? Nope. Not even close. Long winded? Sure. But that’s the extent of it. I don’t get pizzy until other people start name calling, and acting like 12 year old girls – no offense McFann
Miserable SOB? I haven’t been miserable over this team for weeks. Almost months. If there were a Top 20 list of most negative, jackassy (is that a word?) posters, I’m not even touching that list anymore. Two years ago, or late last year? I might have been at the top of the list of people who brought the blog down, enjoying my “bowl of sad” along the way. But I’ve kept my bitching to when the players/coaches/GM deserves it, based on the results. I think any of us are entitled to that, right?
CB
June 29th, 2009
6:57 pm
I thought ” moron” should be high on the insult list.
Roman Gal
June 29th, 2009
6:57 pm
Though I have also grown partial to “doo-doo head” and “numbletard”. ncscoots
You’re right, good choices. You can’t always use the same insults or they’ll become obsolete.
nolie
June 29th, 2009
6:57 pm
I think Rios’ contract was 6yrs/$64M with a $13.5M option for 2015. Rios would probably do pretty well batting behind Chipper and in front of McCann… (Heath)
In this economic climate you think it is smart to be stuck with a .788 OPS hitter at close to 12 mil per year for 5 years? Sorry, it is one of the worst contracts in baseball right now. Braves are not gonna stick themselves with that kinda long term questionable deal, even for a better player with better intangibles.
jason
June 29th, 2009
6:57 pm
CorkylikesBeer, KJ would probably miss the ball off the tee.
sri
June 29th, 2009
6:59 pm
nolie, I agree with you regarding free agent outfielders. I was saying the same thing that, looking at the free agent outfielders next year, it makes more sense for the Braves to acquire a bat through a trade. Though traditionally we have not been active in free agency, I hope Wren considers some minor free agents for 1yr/2yr deals to get us through to 2011 when Heyward/Freeman can come up (our prospect list has been depleted right now).
N8
June 29th, 2009
7:01 pm
Jason I agree. But nobody saw the McLouth deal coming either. So, we’ll have to just wait and see. I doubt we contend this year either without giving up Heyward. Hope that doesn’t happen.
CorkylikesBeer, None. If you can believe that. Own my own business, which is run out of my home, and June happens to be my down time for the year. Got literally nothing to do right now, when the kids are in bed, and like now when they’re out playing with their friends. I love Jag-Bombs though.
PWHjort
June 29th, 2009
7:02 pm
Brian Barton is hitting .333/.378/.545 in his past 10 games and his split vs. lefties this year is .339/.406/.536 with 2 homers, 3 doubles, 1 triple, 7 walks, and 17 strikeouts in 63 PA’s. Brandon Jones is hitting .313/.401/.397 against LHP this year. It is time to try them in right and send Francoeur packing.
jason
June 29th, 2009
7:02 pm
nolie, Sorry to come off as an ass, but I ask questions to get answers and get opinions. I know ATL will not make that trade, but at the same time I don’t know alot about our prospects outside of the untouchables.
I don’t get on this blog to talk crap and disrespect others, and I would like to think I would be treated the same way.
By the way, I like reading your posts from a scouts take. You know your stuff. The post on Hanson and his mechanics was good reading.
CorkylikesBeer
June 29th, 2009
7:04 pm
N8..I also work home/office…environmental consulting…have you ever had an apple bomb..way better then jagerbombs….
nolie
June 29th, 2009
7:05 pm
You could have just said so.(Jason)
sorry if I was too tough. You often hafta take the way I say thinks as tongue in cheek. I am trying to make a point and be somewhat funny in a locker room humor kinda way-Chop busting IOW. Don’t take it personal. Sorry
jason
June 29th, 2009
7:06 pm
N8, i think we caught the ol lighting in the bottle with McLouth. Pitt always wants to cut payroll, and thehad that McCutchens kid who was ready. I don’t see that happening again anytime soon. Look at all the bottom teams. KC and WAS. They have nothing we would want. BLT has OFs, but how much do they want in return. A good match up would be LA, but at what cost. They have a few OFs.