1:54 pm June 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 29th, 20094:33 pm
Against tomorrow’s starter Joe Blanton, McCann is 6-for-7 with two homers and Escobar is 4-for-8 with a homer.
Yeah, I’m betting Escobar’s in there tomorrow.
June 29th, 20094:35 pm
But what do we do with ths underachievers that are left.? – jj
Say goodbye to Kotchman, Johnson and Francine. That’s 9 million in savings. Prado can take over for Kelly. Heyward can take over for the black hole and anybody can take over for KrotchMAN at first.
Dallas, but not in Dallas
Phillies like Wang
The headline of a rumor on ESPN.com
Awesome, let’s make KJ the team captain, and Jeff Bennett co-captain
June 29th, 20094:36 pm
just raise those walks, cut down a few Ks, and hit the ball more the other way.
Strikeouts are his biggest problem, but when he hits the ball, it tends to go a really long way. I think he’s been what the Braves thought he would be so far.
June 29th, 20094:38 pm
Esco is being totally overvalued here. He’s not that great. he makes too many mental mistakes right now. I really like the kid and I recognize his talent, but he is not an untouchable player. Braves were going to package him for Peavy. Stop blaming all of Esco’s problems on Bobby. It’s time for Esco to grow up.
Noway Heyward is coming until second half of next year at the earliest.
ha! I wonder if that Wang headline was intentional
I was just being up to no good. Jason
I figured, but there are so many people here who are already drooling over him. It’s time for a little reality check regarding Mr. Johnson.
He’s not the prospect that Freeman or Heyward are. Right now, power is his tool. He’s got a lot to work on…
June 29th, 20094:39 pm
Buck has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to baseball. It’s also possible he has no idea what he’s talking about in general. He went to UGA so it wouldn’t surprise me. Here’s a list of statements Buck has made in the past 2 weeks that have made me go, huh?
“You’ve got Lowe, your ace, going.”
“Francoeur works hard, Escobar’s the problem with this team”
“Jeff Francoeur is improving”
“Jeff Francoeur is going to figure it out”
“Jeff Bennett is a huge part of the ballclub”
I’ll stop for a second and repeat myself. This is something Buck actually said. I’m not fabricating any of this. An actual statement. Once again:
“Jeff Bennett is a huge part of the ballclub”
Think about that.
2010 lineup according to Non Tender
65 wins and more b!tching from Braves fans like Non Tender.
June 29th, 20094:40 pm
“I think he’s been what the Braves thought he would be so far.”
Not sure if that’s good or bad…? Do they think they can teach him to be an elite power hitter, but had no expectations from him to contribute at the ML level? I mean, the kid is only 20. His BABIP is actually pretty darn good. I guess the most encouraging sign is that he has raised his walks from last year, but he hasn’t really cut down the Ks.
Yeah, I’m betting Escobar’s in there tomorrow. DOB
Let’s freakin’ hope so, or your going to have to bench me for being pouty. Heh…I’m a lot like Escobar, it appears.
June 29th, 20094:42 pm
I’m not saying I don’t think he’ll be a good ML player. But he has so much to work on (and he has), that I don’t think the Braves are disappointed with what they’ve gotten from him so far.
DOB McCann is 6-for-7 with a homer
Two homers…too bad he’s going with me to the Cards for Pujols and Molina.
PHWjort “Jeff Bennett is a huge part of the ballclub” Think about that.
I’d rather not, thank you.
June 29th, 20094:43 pm
That “2010 lineup according to Non Tender” looks a lot more like a lineup during me.
65 wins and more b!tching from Braves fans like Non Tender
I am going to tweak this line up, and then say that we wouldn’t be any worse than this year with our pitching.
June 29th, 20094:44 pm
Yeah, I realize that I over-state some things. Even use too much bold and all-caps. But to say that Vazquez has been better this year, than Hudson has ever been is just silly. Along with being false (N8)
wasn’t disagreeing with you. just exercising my God given right to bust your chops
June 29th, 20094:45 pm
2011, Minus Chipper.
Although, I’m not sure exactly what they were thinking when they drafted him in the first round. Then again, what do I know? He’s been a good prospect…
June 29th, 20094:46 pm
yeah, i looked at his chart, and he’s a dead pull hitter. not sure if we need another one of those andruw types, even though druw was pretty dang productive for many years.
June 29th, 20094:48 pm
ill be honest, i dont see anything wrong with cody johnson’s stats. stikeouts included. if he is slugging almost .600 and getting on base at a decent rate (which he is) than he can K 200 times. thats how ryan howard makes his living.
Roman Gal, he drafted out of highschool. Probably take some time for everything to come together. In post steroid ERA a pull hitter that will get 30+ HRs with adequate defense will be useful.
June 29th, 20094:49 pm
Whenever I’m bored I re-read this: http://www.bravesjournal.com/?p=3822
Excellent point DAB. I don’t hear Philly fans complaining.
He struck out 177 times last year…in 127 games.
June 29th, 20094:50 pm
Both Freeman and Heyward are projected to be .300 30+ HR guys in their prime and .275 20+ HR early on. That could be a solid solid lineup. Of course, by that time Lowe, Hudson, and Javy will likely be gone, leaving Hanson and JJ as the anchors to the staff.
Wells salary is crazy (whoever wrote that contract must have been drunk, 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M) but Rios would be good a good fit in Atlanta I think. He’s very similiar offensively to McLouth and would be under team control until 2015 with a reasonable contract assuming he doesn’t fall off the map with his skills (08:$0.735M, 09:$5.9M, 10:$9.7M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M, 13:$12.5M, 14:$12.5M, 15:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout))
June 29th, 20094:51 pm
wasn’t disagreeing with you. just exercising my God given right to bust your chops (NOLIE)
And by God given, Nolie’s old arse means God gave Nolie that right minutes after saying, “Let there be light.”
I have one burning question that I would LOVE for someone to answer for me. Why doesn’t Bobby bat Casey Kotchman 2nd?????? This is driving me absolutely NUTS!!!! He did this for a stretch and we scored plenty of runs until Casey got hurt in Arizona when he was hit by that pitch on the shin. Casey is the PERFECT man to bat 2nd!!! He doesn’t have speed but he can draw walks and get base hits and that’s all you need in front of Chipper and Brian. I am sick of seeing Yunel ground into double plays!!! Finally Bobby quit putting Yunel batting 2nd. How long should it have taken to realize that Yunel grounds into WAY TO MANY double plays when the lead off batter gets on????? And then to top this off he put Kelly batting 2nd yesterday!!!! That is laughable!!! Kelly should be on the bench with Frenchy. Put Prado and Blanco in their places!!! I can’t wait for Omar to come back so he can REPLACE KELLY. If Bobby doesn’t do this then I am through with the Braves this year. I will just wait until training camp opens for football. Bobby plays favorites way tooooo much!!! If the guy isn’t getting the job done then BENCH HIM!!! Just like last year when Joe Simpson was basically begging Bobby to put Blanco in leadoff instead of Kelly and Yunel. It seams we always start the game off with 2 outs when those to morons bat 1 and 2 but ole Bobby cant see this or either he is playing favorites and doesn’t want to see it. I am sick of watching the same batting order produce no runs when you can put Casey batting second and see what happens!!!
June 29th, 20094:52 pm
He was a high risk/high reward pick in the first round.
Shot Thru the Lockhart
June 29th, 20094:53 pm
LOL at using those comments against Buck… I heard all of them live, and except for the one about Lowe, I thought they were all obviously tongue-in-cheek. He does the blind homer thing intentionally for comedic sake all the time.
June 29th, 20094:54 pm
And I’m glad I to say I was there to see it happen, LOL. Man, nolie and I are older than dirt, don’t mess with us.
joe, Javy may still be around. What about Medlen?
If coach TP were to be replaced in the near future (which I wouldn’t be upset about), who would be the most logical replacement?
June 29th, 20094:55 pm
I’m a lot like Escobar, it appears. Roman Gal
Do you have frosted tips?
ok, so Cody Ross strikes out alot when he doesn’t hit HR’s, but what is his DP rate? I don’t see any room for him to do much else other than hit homeruns and strikeout, which could be a good thing in comparison to some of the stuff we see in Atlanta now. (cough…Jeff Francouer)
June 29th, 20094:56 pm
In no sane organization do you bring up two rookies in the same year, install them in the middle of your lineup, and expect to contend. I don’t care if Heyward and Freeman are Gehrig and Ruth reincarnated.
N8 – some salient points but I think run support avergae is a poor measure, it would be intersting to do a median runs scored figured and I am guessing Kawakami, JJ and Vazquez would have a lot MORE to cry about then !
When are we dumping KJ. Now can he not only not catch and hit but he seems to not think too well either nowadays
yes, but we are talkinga bout this year. last year, he wasnt slugging nearly .600 or getting on base at a high rate. 2008 was .307 OBP and a .479 slg%. those numbers dont justify K’s.
but, in 2009 so far a .359 OBP and a .584 slg%….K away, cody, as long as you keep that up.
jason thats DAP. :- )
June 29th, 20094:57 pm
God I just tried to read what I wrote….. bugger
Chipper of course.
June 29th, 20094:58 pm
No, but I do have a hair appt tomorrow…
June 29th, 20094:59 pm
DAP, Typo ?
Point is that Cameron improves the offense and RF defense for the next month as a rental. (McLouth)
Did I understand that? Vazquez for Cameron? The best pitching on the team for a couple of months of a barely above average OFer? I hope you’re kidding. So far the board is amazing me with the short-termcrap they are willing to trade JV for.
June 29th, 20095:00 pm
casey was batting 2nd for a little while there before he saw his OBP take a nose dive. also, he does not walk very much.
i tend to agree that he would be a decent #2 hitter, but i think he be a better #2 with a base stealer batting in front of him, some one to hit and run with, and when he is hot, instead of recently where he has been slumping a little bit.
That what I get for no cut and paste LOL!!! Sorry, been a long day.
i don’t mention Medlen because i’m just not sure what the brass thinks of Medlen, or how he fits into future plans. They might see him as a bullpen guy. (personally, i think he would make a very nice mid rotation type guy). i could be wrong on how they view him though.
June 29th, 20095:01 pm
He is having a pretty good year. Like I’ve said, I like him as a prospect, but he still has a lot to learn.
jason DAP, Typo ?
i dont know…you typed it!
im messing with, you buddy.
June 29th, 20095:02 pm
DAP, also. You thought you were seeing Esco hitting into alot of DPs. CK is slower than, well, hmmmm BMac ( sorry McFann )slowest on the team. Jeff Bennet would out run him.
I’m betting your boy breaks out of his mini-slump tomorrow- great numbers there (he’d better- we’ll need him)
June 29th, 20095:03 pm
DAP, I need a beer. Long day at work.
June 29th, 20095:04 pm
So far the board is amazing me with the short-termcrap they are willing to trade JV for. nolie
Same for Escobar. Jed Lowrie, really? If the Braves decide (against my will) to trade either of these players, they’d better bring in a really, really nice haul. And I’d probably still be disappointed…
I was turning the channels last night (I think it was last night…the show was kinda traumatic) and happened upon that Sport Science program on FSN South. One of the segments involved Combat Ki, a type of martial art that involves being able to take punishment to the most vulnerable areas of the human body. There were a bunch of clips shown of people taking shots to the ribs, the Adam’s apple, and the groin. Well, the show wanted to test how effective this technique is, so they brought in MMA fighter Justice Smith. He’s 6′8″, 290. His part in the program was to kick the Combat Ki creator’s main protege in the groin. Like, really hard and stuff.
First, they had to test the force of Smith’s kick. He kicked a test dummy between the legs with his shin. That generated 1,000 lbs of force. That is equivalent to a sledgehammer hitting you in the balls. Next, the protege came over and met Smith. To test the effectiveness of Combat Ki, Smith was asked to chop the protege in the Adam’s apple. He did…and the guy didn’t even flinch. 600 lbs of force to the neck. Nothing.
Finally, it was time for the main event. Mr. Iron Balls had no protection. No cup, no jock, nothing. He stood there and waited for the kick. (Remember, the guy kicking him is 6′8″, 290. Think about that.) After a countdown, WHAM! Iron Balls jumped back a little, but…nothing. Smith couldn’t believe it. He said he could feel the guy’s pelvic bone on impact. He had actually delivered 1,100 lbs of force.
Iron Balls’s heart rate was unchanged during the whole experience. His Substance P level (the substance that transmits pain through nerve receptors) is 10% of a normal human’s. That doesn’t explain why his balls and pelvis didn’t break. It turns out that years of repeated shots to the groin have literally made his nuts like stone. Years of microfractures in the pelvis have made his pelvic bone very strong. He’s just used to it.
Something tells me that I would have been hurt badly.
Anyway, if you ever see that segment come up on FSN, watch it. It’s scary as hell.
DAB…. I mean DAP, I couldn’t even argue with you about Huddy and Javy this morning. My brain is all scrambled up.
Tell It Like It Is
June 29th, 20095:05 pm
Does anyone know where Yunel might be is going? The sooner he gets out of Atlanta the better off he will be. I hope he is going to a team that wants to win. He will fit right in.
Also, when is Schaefer coming back? Is he being shopped around for s trade also? Maybe the Braves can get a good shortstop for him to fill the the hole in the infield when Yunel is gone.Schaefer needs some playing time to see if he is any better than he was before being sent down.
June 29th, 20095:06 pm
The only thing I can think of is that makes our line-up too lefty-heavy at the top. Though Chipper’s batting better right-handed this season. Still, the top of our order would be too LOOGY vulnerable and the bottom if it is completely worthless most of the time because Francoeur sucks. Though I do like the idea of batting Kotchman 2nd. Just not in this line-up.
June 29th, 20095:07 pm
Why why why? my family jewels went into hiding reading that, damn!
June 29th, 20095:08 pm
You cant trade the 5 or 6 good players that you have for 3 or 4 good players and a couple of maybeys and think you will be better……………….
Roman Gal – I bet the industry thinks Jed Lowrie is only a little worse than Escobar. If you add Clay B. to that, than it’s a fair trade. I’m sure the Sox would have to send over another minor league pitcher too.
I forgot to mention Braeden Schlehuber in my list of funny-named catchers in our system.
So, that leaves us with:
June 29th, 20095:09 pm
The best line up of the season was:
I like CK eighth because he doesn’t strike out and he will work the oppsing pitcher.
June 29th, 20095:10 pm
tell it like it is,
Schafer is already producing well in limited time back from injury. (.316 BA, 1 HR, 19 AB)
The Real Question
Not IF Escobar is traded…… When is Yunel Escobar traded? And to what team? And will he be packaged with another player to get a Jake Peavy type player or traded for a larger group of minor leaguers.
June 29th, 20095:11 pm
But wouldn’t Casey be a MUCH BETTER option batting second than Kelly??? I can’t understand for the life of me why Bobby put Kelly batting second yesterday??? Does he really want an automatic out before Chipper gets to bat?
I think you might be surprised what the Red Sox would think of your Esco for Bucholz and Lowrie trade.
I’m ready for Spanfur to take over behind the plate. He’s got a lot of upside. McCann is basically a finished product. He ain’t gonna get any better, folks. Time to get rid of him.
June 29th, 20095:12 pm
I’ve heard that Lowrie doesn’t project to be much of a hitter, but that he’s good defensively. I like Bucholz, but I don’t think I’d trade Escobar for him and scraps.
June 29th, 20095:13 pm
If the Braves could take two of three from Philly, they close out their tough home stand at 5 – 5, and 4 games behind Philly.
If by some strange phenomenon, the sweep Philly, then all the better.
June 29th, 20095:14 pm
With the way the media is drooling on Nick Green (Jesus Christ Superstar 2nd Baseman), why would they need a Escobar? Apparently, Nick Green is the savior, heart and soul of the World Series contender Red Sox.
With Mr. Schaefer I would go:
Prado can handle a bat and will be able to turn over the lineup.
RS-F is going to the Hall of Fame. He’s going to come up this week, take McCann’s place in the All-Star game and as a rookie this season, he will break the MDSSBAE (Most Doubles in a Single Season by Anyone Ever) Record.
June 29th, 20095:15 pm
It’s really hard to look at his 2008 season and not get sexually excited at the thought of him in our line-up (PWH)
just look at the numbers of all his other years including this one, that should cool you off at least a bit. If that doesn’t work, take a cold shower while repeating constantly “31 years old with ONE good healthy year”. . Might help some, unless your man-love just knows no bounds.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
glord, I don’t think the Red Sox would make that trade. I think if the Braves added a piece or two they would definitley listen.
I’m still awaiting the day that Riaan S-F puts on an Atlanta Braves uni. He would have Saltalamacchia by a good 4 letters (and a hyphen).
Even with our pitching staff, I feel like winning 1 out of 3 in the Philly series might be optimistic in light of the way our offense is producing. They are just pounding teams lately.
Regardless if the lineup is too left handed or not we need to score RUNS!!!! I think sometimes people think way to much in baseball. Its about scoring runs and that is exactly what we are not doing right now. To keep putting out the same old garbage and expecting different results defines insanity. I am beginning to wonder if Bobby is becoming INSANE. All I do know is that he is driving me INSANE!!!
June 29th, 20095:16 pm
Love the optimism, but I wouldn’t go that far. I just think that Spanfur can be a lot better than he’s been so far. Hall of Fame may be pushing it, but five or six All-Star appearances are in the offing.
June 29th, 20095:17 pm
OK, I hate when people post on here about potential trades and what not. Like how we should have gotten derosa ( horrible idea). We don’t need a versatile fielder, or a singles hitting bat ( i know derosa has some power) We need more protection for chip and mcann. Chip hasnt see a good pitch in weeks. He needs someone behind him that can do damage, mcann is a great hitter but he cant do it alone. the answer is adam dunn. thats right people. We could get him for kotchman reyes, and a toss in player. Hes nly on a one year deal so we would be paying prorated salary and he fits perfect. I know the K’s and all but he has good obp and he friggin drives in runs people, every year he does, i set my watch based on when he gets his 100RBI he does it every year, garret anderson was not the professional hitter we needed its dunn. OK got my trade rant fix in
I understand badnews, but when you need a run in the 7th inning and they bring in a LOOGY and you’ve got the top of your order up with 4 LH hitters in a row, you’re probably going to lose the game.
June 29th, 20095:18 pm
Possible steroid list: http://rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318
June 29th, 20095:19 pm
Hall of Fame is his downside. He’s hitting .600. McFann even agrees with me. His upside is…well, above the Hall of Fame. Really, it’s just a matter of time.
True Braves Fans
June 29th, 20095:20 pm
In case anyone missed it!!!
Probably too late however, guys we have to do something about Mac being beat out by Molina just because of the fact he’s a Cardinal. Molina is a good defensive catcher, but no one else in the National League measures up to McCann at the catcher position. We all know this.
We need a grass roots situation to spread through all true Braves fan. I’ve voted as many times as I can through all my email addresses. If you know a fan who hasn’t tell them its their duty its McCann’s time to get a start spread this around guys. McCann must start for our National League!!!!
The last time I checked Chipper is a switch hitter. So there goes that theory. Anyways why worry about 1 run in the 7th when we can be scoring runs the whole game with a better lineup. Sure we may loose a few games with too many lefties but at the same time we will win more than we lose with a good solid lineup with clutch hitting instead of 2 outs when Chipper gets to bat.
In case you missed the gist of my last post, WE NEED ADAM DUNN!!! its almost too perfect a scenario. We can’t let this surprisingly week division slip away. Prospects schmospects we have a young player at every position how many do we need?
June 29th, 20095:21 pm
2 current Braves on that list: Lowe and Soriano. Also former Braves in Javy Lopez, Mike Hampton and Gary Sheffield. But that whole thing could be one big rumor.
June 29th, 20095:22 pm
I’d rather petition to have the fans NOT vote for the ASG starters.
intriguing possible list for the 2003 drug violation. Not many surprises – but a few for sure (Lowe? Livan Hernandez?)
Lopez and Sheff were no brainers for me. Javy’s contract year when he hit 45 HR? So obviously juiced to high heaven (just my opinion – not factual proven or anything).
June 29th, 20095:23 pm
You might be be undervaluing Lowrie a little. Is he a star? No but take a look at his rookie year. In 260 at bats in a pennent race he hit 25 doubles and drove in 46 runs. He hit .258 and slugged an even .400. Not bad for a rookie.
Defensively he had 155 chances and made exactly 0 errors. He does not have Escos range or arm but he has a pretty good upside.
As far as Bucholz think Hanson. Yes he struggled last year but is very young. So far this year in AAA he has given up 50 hits in 80 innings. Epstein has been turning down offers on him for 3 years and they have big plans for him next year.
For this trade to happen I bet Atlanta is the team sending something else. Hopefully Francouer lol.
I bet for t
Goldenglove- You missed Ryan Klesko, too.
June 29th, 20095:24 pm
I don’t know anything about that website, but I find it interesting that that list is made up of about 95% stars. I’m skeptical.
Bob Watson was the GM of those early Yankee teams but make no mistake, Gene Micheal built that team from behind the scenes in Steinbrenners absence (Anders)
thats a big 10-4
June 29th, 20095:26 pm
current braves on the rumored list include dlowe (seriously??? absurd) and rafael soriano……
and A-Rod is not on that list?
the funnest thing really about the all-star voting is voting for Garrett Anderson and knowing someone looking at the voting totals for MLB will die of laughter
True Braves Fan,
I’ve been preaching that gospel for weeks to all of my friends. B-Mac vs Molina should be no contest.
Sure Chipper is obvious choice long term, but I’m talking this year. Anyone think there is a possibility coach TP isn’t here come season’s end?
June 29th, 20095:27 pm
Three way deal… Braves, Brewers, White Sox… Brewers get Vazquez, White Sox get Brewers prospects and Francoeur, Braves get Jermaine Dye… What do ya think?
Steve in NC
June 29th, 20095:28 pm
RE: Cody Johnson’s defensive skills, or any of the big-3 a Myrtle Beach…
The only one that is solid defensively right now is possibly Heyward. Johnson and Freeman both need some more seasoning.
None of them would be able to hit in the majors right now.
Anyone watching Wimbledon right now?
June 29th, 20095:29 pm
bmacnation.com, Chipper couldn’t play and be hitting coach. Damn, and I thought he was already doing it part time now.
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