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nolie
June 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
Folks, there is a reason for it! (Supes)
Sigh. Yes there is he has been on a bunch of poor teams and pitched in several great hitter’s parks. W/L record is not the best stat to be judging pitchers with Is he above his head now? Yes, and he will likely refress some, but the fact he has pitched so very well this season and still has a losing record should give a clue as to how reliable W-L is in judging production.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
keylargo-
I saw that website you posted earlier. First of all, I don’t like Key Lime Pie, so I won’t be trying it. Second of all, there were no recipes posted on that website so I can’t try to make it. If I ever make it down to the Keys, I’ll have to see about getting one, though.
Chop Chop
June 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
How much money is Yunel making?
Yeah. Not much.
How much has he done in the bigs?
Yeah. Not much.
Chipper can do whatever he wants. He’s got the career and the bank account to have earned, at least in the realm of baseball, special deference and treatment. That’s the way it goes. It ain’t fair, but that’s the way it goes. If Chipper had acted like a punk early in his career, Bobby would have benched his ***, too. Of course, Chipper’s got tenure now, so if he whines or complains about something, he can point to all of his great years as a big leaguer as proof that he will continue to be good in spite of the occasional b!tch session.
Coach (2010 or Bust)
June 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
All righty then. I’ll use some plain old logic and try not to melt a few brains in the process.
We will have six pitchers when Hudson comes off the DL (and he will). Hudson, Jurrjens, Vasquez, Lowe, Hanson and Kawakami. Who gets the Axe?
Jurrjens or Hanson, 100 percent and all together, NOOOOO!
Lowe is 36 (the oldest) with 3.5 years and 52.5 million left on his contract. NO.
Hudson is on the DL, end of story as players on the disabled list cannot be traded.
Kawakami? Let’s see, he is the first Japanese player in Braves history. Trading him would basically insult and entire COUNTRY and shut the door to that market forever. NO.
Who does that leave? YOU GOT IT KIDDO’S, Javier Vasquez. Who by the way is having an excellent season driving his trade value through the roof. YES is the correct answer when asking if he should be traded. Frank Wren would agree with me and I know he would.
Paul Lentz
June 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
If I was Frank Wren, I would only trade Vazquez if the Braves were “overwhelmed” in a trade offer. How many starting pitchers are on the market right now that are of the caliber of Vazquez? Dont you think that the Phillies or Mets would “love” to have a starter like Vazquez who can go 7 innings every time out, while keeping your team in the game and never gets hurt?
Only if the event that the Braves were overwhelmed in a trade offer for Vazquez AND if Hudson pitched well upon his return later this season…would I even “consider” picking up Hudson’s 2010. Both scenarios are big IFS.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
As for Garret Anderson, there isn’t anybody who was going to be able to alter the lifeless approach that he’s developed throughout his 16-season Major League career. -Friend of the fat schlub from West Virginia
chuck
June 28th, 2009
10:52 pm
I think Kelly Johnson has hit the wall and needs a few weeks or more in the minors to get his head on straight. It’s bad enough that he can hit but his defense almost cost them today’s game. He had several mental and physical errors out there. Surely we can find a second baseman to take his place for a while.
nolie
June 28th, 2009
10:53 pm
Can anyone present an argument that is better-worded than mine for keeping Heyward in the minors? I don’t think I’m saying it correctly (STEVE)
You’re sayit alright, it’s who you are talking to.
unbelievable
June 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
go to you tube and type in Yunel doesnt like the official score and you’ll see why he’s been benched for this past series. I like the kid, but he’s forcing his way out of Atl. Bowman also alluded to this reaction also. DOB, any thoughts on this?
I dont know why it wont let me post the link to youtube here
Paul Lentz
June 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust)…………….how many teams would be willing to trade a quality big bat for Vazquez? An ideal trade partner would be the Phillies (a package centered around Vazquez and Jason Werth would make sense for both teams). However, we all know that most teams dont do the inter-divisional trade thing, especially in mid-season. The Braves could use Wreth’s bat (and he does play good defense in right as well)…..and we all know that the Phillies desperately need starting pitching. I just dont see it getting done.
Other than that, who do you feel would give the Braves “value” for Vazquez?
unbelievable
June 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ftk8W5DywA
Adam
June 28th, 2009
10:55 pm
But they also got good playing time, more than most invites get. And they weren’t a disaster either.
Braveheart
June 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
Steve,
the team OPS out of first base this season is .692. The average team OPS out of first base in the NL is .854. We’re 160 OPS points below the league average first baseman. The next worst OPS is 40 points higher. 11 teams have an OPS higher than .800 out of first base. 13 teams have an OPS higher than .750 out of first base. The SLG is 114 points lower than league average for first base. The OBP out of first base is 48 points below league average for a first baseman. We’re 10 home runs shy of what the league average first baseman home run production is.
It goes without saying that our rightfielder sucks this season. However, relative to their respective defensive positions, Kotchman is killing the team as much as Francoeur. The .625 OPS out of RF is 149 points shy of league average for RF. The OBP is 56 points shy of average. The SLG is 94 points shy of league average. The 5 homers are 5 shy of league average.
Kotchman has been more valuable relative to the overall lineup, but relative to league average for their respective positions, 1B is killing us as much as RF.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
Man, I completely forgot about my old pal Daniel Elorriaga-Matra. We have some funky-named catchers.
Steve from OH
June 28th, 2009
10:57 pm
BH–can’t disagree with that. I think your point about “relative to the overall lineup” is mine, in that he needs to shape up or ship out, but not be the first one to do so…
Coach (2010 or Bust)
June 28th, 2009
10:58 pm
Lentz, quality starting pitching is always the most valuable commodity on the trade market come July. When and if Vasquez is put up for sale ( and I’m convinced he will be), Frank Wren can name his price. The word isn’t overwhelmed, it’s what is your price Mr.Wren?
nolie
June 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
FWIW, had he not been injured for a bit this year, I fully expected Heyward to get the call in September and never go back down (GONE)
keylargo
June 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
Roman Gal
You must really be a special person cooking those Key Lime/Blueberry Pies if you don’t like them.
Somebody out there must be lucky.
There is a very good recipe on the bottle of Key Lime Juice you can buy in any Publix if you are near one. I think you buy a graham cracker crust, use the juice and some ingredients to make the center and then add the merangue (sp).
That Blond Giraffe place makes really great pies, but they are about $30 a piece. But everyone should try one to see how good they are.
Packerman
June 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
The best thing about the Lowe signing was keeping him away from the Mets. That’s the real reason we overpaid. He’s a durable pitcher and he’s good, but keeping the Mets’ paws off him was worth the dough.
Steve from OH
June 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
If we choose to deal JV at the deadline we should be able to get a very good package for him. Definitely worth more than Flowers/junk…
Adam
June 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
Before you think about dealing Vazquez you talk with Hudson and SEE if he would be willing to come back for way less than $12 million.
Otherwise, if I’m Wren I don’t risk my job on that gamble.
N8
June 28th, 2009
11:01 pm
“This off season, the Braves will be more “attractive” to free agents.” Paul Lentz
Says who? And why? Will it be our stunning upset, in finishing ahead of the Nats in the standings? Or will it be because EVERYBODY wants to witness mediocrity up close?
If this roster gets “fixed” over the winter, it will be via trades for people that don’t have a CHOICE but to come to Atlanta.
Adam
June 28th, 2009
11:03 pm
I also understand why Peavy didn’t want to come here (even though he’s hurt). He saw the offense.
Coach (2010 or Bust)
June 28th, 2009
11:04 pm
Lentz, I brought the Phillies up days ago. I would dance with the Devil, in a heartbeat.
Ever heard of Michael Taylor or Jason Donald? The Phillies are already rumored to be shopping both in return for a starting pitcher. We know what the Braves gave up for Vasquez. His value has risen. Three or four of the Phillies top prospects should do the trick.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/48589117.html?cmpid=15585797
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:04 pm
I feel a deal is real close…………..in the making………….I have been checking for info about trades and nothing about the braves for many days…………Its like they are not letting anyone know what they are about to make……….Dont believe me but It might be close. On the other hand it is Braves style to do their trades just hours before the trade deadline………How long before deadline was TEX trade made?
Rabid Rascal
June 28th, 2009
11:04 pm
Everyone seems to be antsy trying to figure out the future of this team. Why can’t people sit back for once and enjoy a victory? I will be interested in Huddy when that time comes but for now I am thrilled with how Hanson is throwing. There were some stolen bases today and a couple dongs. There were some mistakes but there usually are. We beat Boston while still making some mistakes. A bunch of pessimists seem to be on here. Things could always be worse, could be a fan of Pittsburgh or Washington.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:05 pm
keylargo-
Shucks…Everyone really, really liked the recipe I used. When I realized that I messed up the recipe a little bit, I tried some of it and it was just as disgusting as always…but like I said, everyone really loved it…blueberries and all.
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:05 pm
Mets get the Brewers, they could get swept back to back. On the other hand Braves go with Lowe who absolutely dominated Phillies on opening night.
N8
June 28th, 2009
11:06 pm
“Damn, some of you simply are unable to use some common sense.” Paul Lentz
ROFLMFAO!!! That has to be the most ironic statement on the blog today (and in some time). Well done.
Again (I had a post to you that appears to have been eaten by the blog askng this question, so I say “again” for my own good), WHAT makes you think free agents are going to come to Atlanta without being overpaid (like Lowe was)??
If Wren is actualy able to fix this roster/lineup over the winter, it will be by trading for players that have ZERO choice in the matter. Not because a big free agent (name who you have in mind, btw, I’d be curious to read which upcoming free agents solve our problems – WITHOUT blocking Schafer and Heyward), keep in mind, you MUST be realistic in assessing who would ACTUALLY want to play for a perenniel 3rd or 4th place team.
I’ll be patiently waiting for your “common sense”.
Paul Lentz
June 28th, 2009
11:06 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust)………….the only way the Braves could trade Vazquez and still contend “this season” is to acquire a slugger who can play right field in exchange for Vazquez. Now tell me how we can do that?
However, if Frank Wren were to give up on 2009, then it would be easier to trade Vazquez to a contender for premium prospects.
However, I havent given up on 2009. This upcoming series with the Phillies is the key. We could be somewhere between 2 and 8 games out of first. We sweep them, we are 2 out. They sweep us, we are 8 out.
Even if Frank Wren doesnt make a trade tomorrow, I feel that there will be at least a minor roster shake-up tomorrow. Best case scenario, both Francoeur and Johnson get demoted to Triple A.
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:07 pm
Paul Lentz,
I missed on Hansons ERA bad………….dont know how, sorry.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:07 pm
If we choose to deal JV at the deadline we should be able to get a very good package for him. Definitely worth more than Flowers/junk… Steve from OH
I agree. That’s why it makes more sense to keep Hudson, because Javy’s trade value is so high. I hope we don’t trade him during the season, though, because that probably means we’re out of it. Although, if it’s for a big bat, I might not complain too much.
Adam
June 28th, 2009
11:07 pm
Rabid — how many series did we win in June?
One — the one-game sweep of the Cubs. There’s a lot to talk about.
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:09 pm
Is it possible Braves are waiting to see what moves are the muts and phillies gonna make before the do theirs?
TnBrian
June 28th, 2009
11:10 pm
Doc Holliday, think Escoabr goes in a trade soon? Yeah, some could say it would weaken an already weak offensive team if he were traded but if they can get a good defensive SS and a power bat, maybe they do it. I’m talking a serious masher for the OF. It’d have to be if Yunel is in any trade.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:10 pm
I bet the Cubs are loving that Mark Derosa was traded to the Cardinals right about now…
Paul Lentz
June 28th, 2009
11:10 pm
N8…..if you look at the Braves team now, the only “hole” we have is right handed power. We have great starting pitching and a very reliable short relief combo. Plus the top 4 guys in our order are good hitters. Acquiring a big bat would allow Brian McCann to hit 5th. Not only that, when Infante comes back that would allow Bobby to insert him in the 2 hole and bat Escobar 6th, dropping Garrett/Diaz to 7th, and Kotchman 8th. Getting one right handed slugger AND Infante back are the only two things that really NEED to happen to DRASTICALLY improve the Braves offense.
The Braves arent “that far” from turning the corner.
Steve from OH
June 28th, 2009
11:11 pm
Coach, Donald doesn’t project as a major-league level fielder at SS (though he can probably be average at 2B). Taylor has silenced a lot of critics so far this year, but according to BA he has holes in his swing, especially inside. In any case, don’t trade them Vazquez without recieving their top pitching prospect in return (being Carrasco or Drabek, their desire to trade them be damned). I’m not letting them make off with our best pitcher and keep their depth in the minors. Wren has the upper hand here, because everyone knows Philly can’t repeat with that staff, and if he chooses to deal with a divisional rival, he’d better squeeze every last prospect outta that system.
Salamander
June 28th, 2009
11:11 pm
I also understand why Peavy didn’t want to come here (even though he’s hurt). He saw the offense.
Yeah, except that the Padres have scored fewer runs than any other team in the Majors (granted, Petco park for half of the games).
At this point, I think Peavy is comfortable at home in San Diego (who wouldn’t be?) and sees little reason why he should accept a trade to any team he doesn’t want to be on. Bottom line – no trade clauses are GM’s worst nightmares. The Pads need to get younger and his contract is not helping the situation.
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:11 pm
Packerman,
Very important point about Lowe/muts.
N8
June 28th, 2009
11:12 pm
“how many teams would be willing to trade a quality big bat for Vazquez?” Paul Lentz
Who says it has to be a big bat? You’re assuming the team is still “in it” at the deadline and Wren is still trying to add a bat for the stretch run, right? I’m here to tell you that if Wren doesn’t add a bat way before the deadline, the trades we make on July 31st will be for the FUTURE, not for this year.
What if a team that NEEDS a starting pitcher they can count on for the run to eat innings and guarantee them having a chance to win nightly, wants to give up a good young pitcher that could be in our rotation next year?
Don’t say it can’t be done, and won’t be done, because we’ve given up guys (think Schmidt for Neagle) to add a pitcher NOW. We also gave up Bruce Chen for Andy frickin Ashby. Granted Chen didn’t amount to much, but he could have.
Also, didn’t we give up Wainwright for JD Drew?
Again. I think some of you that are purely looking for a “big bat” from trading Vazquez, are selling Wren short.
Besides, why not trade for a young “up and coming” pitcher? After all, your “common sense” says that we can just go buy a big bat this winter.
Wouldn’t it be stupid of Wren to trade for one then?
Still waiting.
Steve from OH
June 28th, 2009
11:13 pm
Although offering him to Milwaukee for a package around Alcides Escobar would work too if our Escobar has worn out his welcome here. He could fetch a big package as well. I know Milwaukee has stated they won’t deal Alcides, but they need pitching badly too…
Rabid Rascal
June 28th, 2009
11:13 pm
Adam, how many games have we fallen back despite our losses this month? To still be in it despite our shortcomings is incredible to me.
Adam
June 28th, 2009
11:14 pm
Peavy could have made that deal happen if he wanted.
Coach (2010 or Bust)
June 28th, 2009
11:14 pm
Roman Gal, we are out of it. Sub .500 teams always are.
keylargo
June 28th, 2009
11:14 pm
Coach and Paul Lentz
I posted this before but the blog has gotten so long, nobody can read it all every day.
The major negative thing in J. Vazquez’s career was his relationship with Ozzie. He seems to have fit in with the Braves and BC.
But, Vazquez has always been strong and pitched a lot of innings. This is what he did in July – Sept in 2007, which was the last year he got along (barely) with Ozzie.
11 wins – 3 losses
119 innings pitched
111 hits allowed
24 base on balls
120 strikeouts
47 ER’s
1.13 WHIP
3.55 ERA
These are American League Stats so you can figure he will be better in the lighter hitting NL
N8
June 28th, 2009
11:16 pm
Paul, I realize that they aren’t that far from turning the corner. But yet, here we are. 5 games back, and we have YET to have as much as a winning series in weeks, and can’t win 4 in a row to save our ass.
At this pace, unless Wren does something NOW, by the end of July, we’ll be 7 or 8 (if not more) games out. Then how big of a bat will it take?
Hell, that’s why trading for a guy like DeRosa would have made a TON of sense, seeing what little the Cards had to give up (which won’t be fully known until the PTNL is added, of course). He was a short term help, maybe more. Worst case, he replaces Infante for us, until Infante returns, at which point Wren could have traded him AGAIN at the deadline for something else, or if he didn’t help out at all.
But NOT doing anything only strengthens the odds of us being further out at the end of July.
To me THAT is common sense.
nolie
June 28th, 2009
11:17 pm
First of all, I don’t like Key Lime Pie (RG)
oh no. I’m sorry but our wedding plans might be in serious jeopardy. I need to ponder this disturbing news a bit.
Adam
June 28th, 2009
11:17 pm
We are 5 out with 3 teams to pass.
We might be able to compete in a playoff series with our pitching. But to ask our starters to be Hall of Fame caliber the rest of the way is too much.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:20 pm
oh no. I’m sorry but our wedding plans might be in serious jeopardy. I need to ponder this disturbing news a bit.
But wouldn’t that mean more pie for you?
Chop Chop
June 28th, 2009
11:20 pm
The Braves are five games out of first in the NL East. They are currently tied for ninth in the NL Wild Card Standings.
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:21 pm
TnBrian,
Might be. Right now I would trade any position player but Chipper, Mc, Nate and Schafer for offensive help. Im referring to players that are or have been to the majors, not prospects.
Klaus
June 28th, 2009
11:21 pm
Vmart at 1B for Atlanta would look mighty fine this summer. Kotch, Medlen, Cody J and another pitching prospect should at least get a conference call started.
Some one mentioned Kotch, Escobar, Medlen for VMart once Omar is back as another option.
VMart – 30yo switch hitting 1B with power with 18mos left on his deal and not a Boras client. Resign him great. If not Freeman slides in 2011.
Paul Lentz
June 28th, 2009
11:22 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust)…………..I would only trade Vazquez to the Phillies if the Phillies were willing to give up Jason Werth. If the Braves were to trade Vazquez to the Phillies for prospects…….then not only would the Braves be giving up on the 2009 season…..they would be giving the Phillies the division title.
Doc Holiday……….big props to you on your 11:07pm posting. We all make mistakes. Some are bigger men than others when it comes to “admitting” them. I’ve admitted a few on here myself.
Adam
June 28th, 2009
11:22 pm
Listen –
Peavy pulled the plug.
Furcal pulled the plug.
Griffey pulled the plug.
What does that tell you? That it’s not the same as it used to be. Players see the writing on the wall. I’ve never seen a Braves team where there seems to be so many unsaid, underlying issues.
That’s why you need to utilize your farm system and weed out the guys you will never win with.
Rabid Rascal
June 28th, 2009
11:23 pm
If we are out of it then why are so many of you trying to trade for a big bopper? What good would it do?
keylargo
June 28th, 2009
11:23 pm
oh no. I’m sorry but our wedding plans might be in serious jeopardy. I need to ponder this disturbing news a bit.
Nolie
That’s double the pie for you, Nolie! You have to act quick on something like this
nolie
June 28th, 2009
11:24 pm
But they also got good playing time, more than most invites get. And they weren’t a disaster either (ADAM)
yeah and Schafer absolutely tore it up, so what? Big league teams do not place as much weight on how a guys does in ST or in Sept callups as in their normal seasons. It would be doing them a major disservice to bring them up just because fans are impatient with waiting. Heyward is the closest, if he stays healthy the rest of the year he will likely go to Arizona If he does well in the AFL, there is a smalyy chance he might make the big club sometime next season, but probably not out of ST.We won’t know till we see it happen whchever way.
Paul Lentz
June 28th, 2009
11:24 pm
Adam……..the Braves have a better team now than we did at the end of last season. The pitching staff was in disarray last winter. A free agent slugger could see himself as being the final piece because our starting pitching is really good.
I repeat, the Braves are not that far from turning the corner. It just “looks” bad because of the way the offense his hitting. However, Infante getting back in a few weeks and acquiring a slugger would do WONDERS.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:26 pm
Enough about the Mets. Enough about their talent. About their potential. About their grit.
They are a mediocre team with a few shimmers of bling, and everyone acts like the playoffs are their manifest destiny. -Troy Renck, denverpost.com
Hahaha…ahem.
Adam
June 28th, 2009
11:26 pm
What I said is if we are going to deal for a big bat — make it worth it.
Josh Willingham is a 20+ homer guy. We need a 30+ homer guy.
Adam Dunn is lefthanded. We don’t need to get anymore lefthanded.
Jose Guillen? Head case, although he might fit in with this crew.
Wren even said it, there’s not that much out there.
Fix what you can. Infante can take over 2B when he gets back. Stick with the pitching. Build the farm system back. Seeing those guys in Texas makes me ill.
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:27 pm
I saw more than 3 guys that could help us from the orioles. I would go for the kill………..get that much needed bat and middle reliever. Muts and Phillies are playing so bad and I dont see them getting any better. Our pitching is 10 times more solid than any other pitching staff on out division. And we might not even need that middle reliever………Huddy could be doing that in about 6 weeks. Infante is coming back real soon, so that would mean more offense, it would work just like a trade. Just get that intimidating cleanup hitter and we are set for the NLCS.
N8
June 28th, 2009
11:27 pm
Hey Paul, I’m still waiting for a list of potential free agent “big bats” for Wren to just use common sense and go buy. Don’t just fire me off a list of the free agents. Give me the ones that make sense AND would be interested in playing in Atlanta.
Are you ignoring me, or is the list just so damn big, you can’t type it up?
TnBrian
June 28th, 2009
11:27 pm
Klaus, that’s too much. Anybody would love to have V. Martinez on their team but not for that much.
Rabid Rascal
June 28th, 2009
11:30 pm
I agree with you Doc but I just don’t know if there is a bopper out there to get! Does anyone else love it that the Muts and Philly are playing so awful as well?
nolie
June 28th, 2009
11:30 pm
But wouldn’t that mean more pie for you? (RG)
Gawd I luv how you think. I guess we can carry on with the announcements.
Packerman
June 28th, 2009
11:30 pm
I’d trade Vasquez to Pittsburgh for Freddie Sanchez.
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:31 pm
Its not like we need to get 3 sluggers………we are not a weak team……..we just need that guy that can protect all the good hitters we have. I know it sound kind of crazy, but that single slugger would work like having acquired 3 good players instead of just one…….Our guys are getting on base, the are………..we just need that big bat to drive them in.
Nick in PA
June 28th, 2009
11:32 pm
DOB,
Always enjoy your insights on non baseball topics, what are your thoughts on the passings and legacy’s of farrah, mj and now billy mays. Apologizes if you already addressed this and I missed it.
Adam
June 28th, 2009
11:33 pm
Paul –
We are absolutely better than last year, but who is that slugger WHO IS WORTH mortgaging what we already have?
My son put it to me last week — “it’s just not our time to win.”
If we’re going to build, build the right way. If we deal for a slugger, make it the right slugger, not a band-aid like Dunn, Willingham or Guillen. Holliday might be a fit, but he’s a free agent. No more of that nonsense.
unbelievable
June 28th, 2009
11:33 pm
Freddie Sanchez makes $8 mil next year….that would be a terrible deal
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:33 pm
But what have the Mets done to earn such reverence? This team is a lock? Really? They are famous for paging Dr. Heim- lich the past two Septembers. When did gagging make a team a favorite?
I like this Troy Renck guy.
nolie
June 28th, 2009
11:33 pm
BTW, y’all do remember that the Braves are not generally that into FA pickup, right? They splurged this season because they were desperate for extensive pitching makeover, doesn’t mean it will continue.
owl hunter
June 28th, 2009
11:34 pm
Two things
-We are more then one bat away from contending. Guys like Ross and Willingham are not the answer.
-Why would we consider trading with the Phillies?!?!?!
How many Sox/Yanks deals do you see going down?
Try again
nolie
June 28th, 2009
11:35 pm
I’d trade Vasquez to Pittsburgh for Freddie Sanchez.(Packerman)
I seriously hope you are kidding, cause if not the prognosis is not good for your condition.
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:35 pm
Get beyond Johan Santana and their rotation is about as imposing as a dandelion.
Ok, that’s the last one. I will say that it appears Livan Hernandez is having a pretty solid year, though…
Jordan33
June 28th, 2009
11:36 pm
I don’t mind waiting until the dealine to trade because I would love to increase the desperation of another team to aquire a Vasquez, Gonzalez, or Soriano. I don’t think the bat or bats we really need to win this thing can be had so I would love to see us ship two of these guys and maybe a Frechy or KJ as an add-on to get some near-future help prospects at P, 3B and 2B….maybe even SS.
uga-brave
June 28th, 2009
11:37 pm
N8,
vazquez is the best pitcher on the team.
he would be my game one starter.
he has been dominant, and he has responded being out of ozzie guillen’s hell.
time to own up nate. he is the best pitcher on the team. first or second by my count on strikeouts.
him and lincecum.
bravos2249
June 28th, 2009
11:37 pm
KROD just walked Mariano Rivera!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
and the bases were loaded!
Salamander
June 28th, 2009
11:37 pm
K-Rod busy walkin in runs…
Shamus Thacker
June 28th, 2009
11:38 pm
I’ve got the munchies.
How bout summa that pie?
PWHjort
June 28th, 2009
11:38 pm
Mariano Rivera just drew a bases loaded walk against K-Rod. Ha Ha!!!!
DunwoodyBrave
June 28th, 2009
11:38 pm
Uh, Vasquez’s salary is more than the entire Pirates payroll. Okay, not really, but Pirates aren’t going to take on an $11 mil pitcher. They traded a $2.5 mil all-star CF to reduce payroll…
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:39 pm
KRod just walked in a run while walking Mariano Rivera.
owl hunter
June 28th, 2009
11:40 pm
Javy is great, but his trade value will be through the roof by July 31. We could clean up and build for the future. We’ve seen all we need to see for this season. There just aren’t that many bats available.
Doc Holiday
June 28th, 2009
11:41 pm
nolie,
I think Packerman meant Vazquez for Snell and Sanchez.
Salamander
June 28th, 2009
11:41 pm
3-2 on Tex, bases still loaded…
and he strikes out.
cabravesfan
June 28th, 2009
11:41 pm
Nice to see RG and Nolie filling in admirably for me and my guys tonight
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:42 pm
I’ve got the munchies.
Maybe you need to lay off the drugs.
Supes
June 28th, 2009
11:42 pm
Mets doing what it is they do….self destruct. LOVE IT.
K-Rod gave up the RBI bases loaded Walk to…RIVERA!
NY Muts – the noose is tightening!
braves fan lmh
June 28th, 2009
11:43 pm
I understand that the braves can’t/won’t get “value” for escobar. But at this point any player that can contribute this year is WELL WORTH IT! So how about this trade scenario:
Indians get: Yunel Escobar
Braves get: Asdrubiel Cabrera, and a hitter like Ryan Garko or Jhonny Peralta?
Let me know what you guys think bout this idea
Roman Gal
June 28th, 2009
11:43 pm
cabravesfan-
Hah! Not even close to your level, though.
Steve from OH
June 28th, 2009
11:43 pm
I don’t know if anyone noted this, but Ian Snell struck out 17 in 7 innings in his first AAA start today, including 13 in a row, I believe. Holy cow…
Supes
June 28th, 2009
11:43 pm
I want to see Anders in here tomorrow explaining away a 3 game sweep in the hands of their bitter cross time rivals:)
Braveheart
June 28th, 2009
11:46 pm
Well, at least, thanks to this past week, we’re averaging over 28,000 fans a game. Lowest total since 1991, and right around the average for 2004 (the lowest average attendance since the run began). But at least the attendance rate isn’t as abysmal as it was earlier this season. Pull the right trade, and/or call up the right minor leaguer, and start winning, maybe it jumps back up to the 33,000 or so we’ve averaged since the arrival of the Baby Braves. I was getting kind of worried for a while there that LM would understandably have to slash payroll by $10 or $20 million due to a lack of revenue caused by a lack of attendance. Hopefully, attendance won’t fall again when the Bosox and Bombers ain’t in town, and the Braves continue sucking without the transactions or wins needed to spark interest.
cabravesfan
June 28th, 2009
11:46 pm
RG-
well, one has vanished again and the other and I are talking elsewhere…someone has to p*ss off the morality police on the blog- I leave that in your capable hands (at least until my B-G makes an appearance- if he does
)
Love Triangle
June 28th, 2009
11:46 pm
Nice to see RG and Nolie filling in admirably for me and my guys tonight
Internet flirting? I thought they were just talkin about pie… oh those hidden metaphors.
uga-brave
June 28th, 2009
11:46 pm
gotta love our right side. casey stinks, kelly does not witch base to throw to. and jeff welll. he is a legend in his own mind.
gotta love jeff though. all those extra base hits.
cabravesfan
June 28th, 2009
11:46 pm
RG-
and I have yet to start making wedding plans…
N8
June 28th, 2009
11:47 pm
“time to own up nate. he is the best pitcher on the team. first or second by my count on strikeouts.” uga
“own up” to what? I’ve admitted that he’s far exceeded my expectations ENDLESS amount of times on the blog.
It STILL doesn’t change the fact that he’s under contract for only next year, and would give us the biggest return of guys that we might be willing to trade away.
Soriano is the best reliever on the team. I don’t for a second think he’ll be in a Braves uniform next year. Somebody is going to give him the opportunity to close for a contending team with a HUGE contract.
You’re missing the boat on the argument/conversation if you think I’m still dogging on Vazquez. The ship sailed well over a month ago. Almost two.
Paul Lentz is saying that Wren will easily be able to let Hudson walk and sign a free agent big bat this offseason. I’m saying that no free agents want to come to Atlanta, so if he wants a big bat, he might be better off exercising Hudson’s option, and trading Vazquez.
Or, trading Vazquez for a young up and coming starter (like JJJ was two off seasons ago), at the deadline, and possibly STILL letting Hudson walk. Or even exercising the option, and THEN trading him if he’s healthy enough to be in demand.
Wren has a ton of options. The least of which should be counting on free agency to solve our problems.