1:54 pm June 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 28th, 20097:34 pm
Everyone loves Vazquez now. He won’t be this good for much longer, and then everyone’s gonna be griping about how we need to dump him.
June 28th, 20097:35 pm
Kelly Johnson is becoming the infield version of Chris Reitsma. If something bad can happen, it will.
I’m not feeling so good. Maybe it’s not a good idea to eat a dozen hot dogs for breakfast.
June 28th, 20097:36 pm
Let’s hope so. Joe Blanton on Tuesday? That sounds good to me…
June 28th, 20097:37 pm
Dangit! I HATE being the last one on the page! I think it’s an ego thing or something…
Jason BMac was sick. Take a day or 2 to get back to norm.
Ye-ah…the day off oughta help…hmm, I hope…
Did you see my HR go about 5 foot foul. It was crushed.
Huh, so was I…He didn’t even make an attempt at a double for me.
I love how the poll on the main braves page asks who the best pitcher has been for the Braves this year includes Mike Gonzalez, but doesn’t have Rafael Soriano.
Yeah, Frenchy wasn’t exactly hauling a** on that play either.
I wish they could bottle Tommy Hanson’s sweat and sell it for souvenirs.
June 28th, 20097:38 pm
Yeah rhyster –
I love Vazquez because we brought him in here as a 3-4 starter and he’s pitching like a 1.
Even if he reverts back to a 3-4 guy next year we get Hanson with experience, Lowe, Jurrjens and a serviceable Kawakami.
We need a righty power bat.
W/L 4-0, ERA 2.48
Nope. Tommy Hanson. The future of the Braves, not the past.
June 28th, 20097:39 pm
Good one Fanson, thanks for turning my frown upside down!
I think you should change your name to Fanny Fanson.
Is Jeff Francoeur still playing for the Braves?
I mean REALLY?
Steve from OH
June 28th, 20097:40 pm
nolie, I agree with you on the fact that the DLM guy doesn’t go into much detail about lower body mechanics, though I believe when he talks about “time to footplant” that is what he was referring to (he thought Hanson’s was bad). In some other articles he’s mentioned that being quick to footplant helps keep your timing together and supposedly helps you throw harder (hence, generate velo from the lower body). That seems to be his big hangup is timing. I agree with that, though I think keeping the arm in as good of an anatomical position throughout is just as important. When he talks about the “inverted W” (or M, as you like to call it), he says it’s only bad from a timing standpoint, which I suppose is true, but I disagree in that I also feel that it is improper positioning as well. So he seems really hung up on timing and not so much motion-by-motion analysis.
June 28th, 20097:42 pm
To me Hanson looks like a pumped up version of Russ Ortiz. More velocity, better breaking ball. Slider is not like Smoltz’s yet, but give it time.
Joe Blanton pitching ROCKS!! (Course, now that I brought it up, it won’t…)
But check this action out (can’t believe I’m doing this…) BMac is 6-7 against Blanton, with 2 homers (one of them was on my b-day this year ) and 5 RBI! Oh, he’s got a walk against him, too…
JB’s first start against the Braves didn’t end so well…matter of fact, neither did the one on my b-day, but that one wasn’t as um…costly as July 27, 2008…
But I think the rest of our guys do pretty good against him, too. Ah, but he’s never pitched against us at Turner Field before…
I got to get around to looking at the driveline site one of these days, I guess (SCOOTS)
In general I find it interesting and pretty much in line, I was just surprised that he didn’t even bother to mention the hitch and the legs and I wouldn’t exactly call Hanson’s delivery a pendulum because of the hitch. I think you might enjoy most of it.Truth is that some guys with poor mechanics-not saying that Tommys are poor-never get hurt, and some with great mechanics do. Like most things in life and baseball, it’s an odds thingy.
June 28th, 20097:43 pm
I see they have a picture of the fat schlub from West Virginia that ran onto the field up. Click Here
June 28th, 20097:44 pm
Tommy Hanson has 4 wins!
That’s more than 1.3% of the eventual 300 wins he will get on his way to the HOF!
I think the Braves should honor this milestone with a special promotion:
TOMMY HANSON SEAT CUSHION NIGHT!
Oversized comfy seat cushions to the first 10,000 fans!
I think that our fans that are able to make the games should give a standing ovation to our starting rotation. When they take the mound and when the leave the game. All five starters. They all need to be commended for the work that they have done so far this year in spite of no offensive or defensive support what so ever. I think we will look back at the end of the season and think, ” Damn those five guys pitched some incredible baseball.” This as about as dominating a pitching performance as I have seen since Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, insert pitcher, back in the 90’s.
June 28th, 20097:46 pm
Roman Gal, you’re right about that poll. I brought your comment to attention of digital people, hopefully it gets fixed and Soriano’s name added, even if he already missed out on votes.
He’s been their best reliever, by far.
June 28th, 20097:47 pm
Oh, and on Schafer-for-Dunn: no. I know I had previously said that he produced more runs with his bat than he gave away with his glove, but apparently fangraphs doesn’t think so. 14 RAA with the bat, -14RAA with the glove so far. The Fielding Bible had him at -10 RAA, so at best he’s a .5 WAR guy. Not worth a top prospect like Schafer who will likely be above average with the bat and definitely with the glove. His UZR/150 is better than Anderson’s so far, but I wouldn’t trade Schafer for him. For some lesser prospects? Maybe, because he’d provide a boost with the bat and we need that, and wouldn’t make us any worse defensively in left than we already are. But the thought of a McLouth-Dunn-Francoeur outfield makes me shrudder defensively. Much rather see bat-Schafer-McLouth. Now there’s a run saving outfield…
rtrafford…your idea is great, except it isn’t executable. There were no teams out there that wanted to give Lowe a 4th season on his contract this offseason. Who is going to take it now? Plus, the teams that need the pitching the most (besides maybe the Yankees) are the Phillies and Mets. I doubt the Braves are making a trade to either of those teams. It just doesn’t make sense. Lowe is albut untradeable.
June 28th, 20097:48 pm
Love this picture, too.
OK I’M wearing turkey underwear to work tomorrow… maybe i’ll get promoted i’ve been in a slump lately too
June 28th, 20097:50 pm
Disregard that .5 WAR figure. Did the math in my head, and of course, it was wrong. Took a half-season’s worth of batting and added in a full-season’s worth of defense…
I agree with your 7:47. I’d trade GA for Dunn. You think we can convince the Nats that GA is good? Maybe if we stopped calling him Loaf…then again, maybe it’s not worth it.
so is “Coach ( 2010 or Bust)” actually some sort of coach, does he think that using a name that has “coach” in it make him seem more intelligent? newsflash couch, it isn’t working…
June 28th, 20097:51 pm
Yep. I’ll probably vote for him. I have to think about it for a little while, though.
June 28th, 20097:52 pm
nolie, you know the funny thing? I don’t remember that little hitch from the minors. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t there, I guess, I just don’t remember it. I wonder if that’s more recent. He’s always been a little slow to the plate, not deliberate necessarily, but he’s got a good bit of man to unwind when he’s ready to fling.
I would seriously talk to Washington about a Francouer for Dunn. Use KJ over the top. How could they resist?
Robert, the only donkey is you, you are as stubborn as one and keep regurgitating the same old tired lines… get some new material little burro..
And this one, too.
June 28th, 20097:53 pm
Half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.
I mean they always seem to like our castaways…
June 28th, 20097:54 pm
jeff321, do you ever have anything positive to say? is this your only outlet available to you to make you feel better about yourself.. you must be one sad little boy…
Robert is correct and anyone who supports the old geezer should go for a hike on the Appalachian trail.
June 28th, 20097:56 pm
and to the rest of you whiney lilttle bitches, Cox has more baseball knowledge in his big toe than any of you wannabe’s have in your little pin heads..
Anyone who supports Bobby Cox is a Coxymoron.
That sounds like fun. Can we substitute Cloudland Canyon for the Appalachian Trail?
Hey who knew
June 28th, 20097:57 pm
Do you want to marry Bobby Cox or just be his manservant?
June 28th, 20097:58 pm
Ok. I’m gonna go cheer for the Yankees. Might even wear my Yankees hat.
(Now, before anyone “yells” at me, you should know that I got it for free at a minor league game in Charleston.)
June 28th, 20097:59 pm
Right now we could probably (maybe) deal Francouer to Washington for a tour of the White House and a boat ride down the Potomac.
June 28th, 20098:00 pm
Frank Wren has called me in to perform an emergency procedure.
I plan to lance Bobby Cox’s big toe so that we can extract some baseball knowledge. That seems to be the only way we CAN get some baseball knowledge out of this elderly manager.
Then again, I have no excuse for why I haven’t burned it…
June 28th, 20098:01 pm
frenchy wear underwear that why he can’t hit i love the phillies pither we facein thursday Undecided Must be a rookie from double A team..lol! No worry braves fans bobby will be asleep as they be swept under ted n gone then we can fire BC n TP soon! folks keep ted empty show wren we tired of it
June 28th, 20098:02 pm
I finally have the solution to the Braves’ power woes.
240 to LEFT
275 to CENTER
240 to RIGHT
June 28th, 20098:03 pm
Adam, will it play like Fenway, or like Philly?
Teheran threw 5 innings, giving up 3 runs (only 1 earned) on 2 hits, 1 walk and 3 K’s.
June 28th, 20098:04 pm
Depends on the wind.
If I change my name to Ty Cobb, willI be a great hitter?
When God gave out hot dogs, Tommy Hanson just got the buns.
June 28th, 20098:05 pm
Save the hat for what once was, Roman Gal not what now is.
Adam, to funny. If francouer is still here, he might could hit… 8 HRs.
June 28th, 20098:06 pm
Sorry, he projects to 6 or 7 — if he wears the Turkey panties.
Don’t toss out you hat, Roman girl!
June 28th, 20098:07 pm
If the Braves were an orchestra then Jeff Francoeur would be the tympani.
June 28th, 20098:08 pm
No, Francouer would be the orchestra pit.
June 28th, 20098:09 pm
With that said, Dunn brings power and on-base ability, which is something we really need right now, with a contract that is the perfect length for us, running thru 2010. We probably can’t afford to take on his salary unless they took two of Francoeur/Johnson/GA/Kotchman back though. I would give him a look, but if the price is Jordan Schafer/Cody Johnson/etc. I’d tell them no. I would try to unload Frenchy on them, but I’m sure we’d be recieved with hearty laughter…
June 28th, 20098:10 pm
Here’s a (not-so) fun fact: Our two highest OBP guys in the lineup today were Chipper and Mac, both of whom were around .405. Nice. The third best? Casey Kotchman’s .327. YIKES.
June 28th, 20098:13 pm
Hanson is a stud. Our pitching is so incredibly strong. No excuses for being 5 games under .500. The problem obviously lies within the lineup and the clubhouse. This team plays with zero fire on the basepaths and in the field. Anderson certainly is hitting better, but my god, i think he may be scared to get his jersey dirty. Have we ever seen him dive for a ball out there, or hustle to one? Has he ever slid to break up a double play?
Frenchy doesn’t play with a head on his shoulders. He has no game plan at the plate and just guesses. His at-bats have become truly predictable. It’s just time to replace him. Why isn’t Diaz playing more often? Diaz is a leader and will dive for balls and get dirty out there. He actually plays with edge and desire. Prado should absolutely get more time at second. It’s time to get rid of the black-holes and try different avenues.
We simply lack a true leader. Chipper is great teacher of the game, but from what I have seen and observed, more leadership is needed. Smoltz is gone. Glavine is gone. A guy like Sheffield who plays with deep passion and is willing to speak up would have been an intangible addition to this team. Look at his stats this year, also.
It doesnt appear that we will be able to afford to trade any more prospects for a big bopper, but a guy like Kevin Millar who is a clubhouse leader and winner could be a huge help. Someone needs to bring this team together.
June 28th, 20098:14 pm
All they need to do is arm the Security Guards with a Tazer. And I dont mean one of the small, hand held ones.
One like this: http://www.ci.muskego.wi.us/Portals/12/Gallery/Album/1/tazer.jpg
That would definatly discourage anyone from trying a stunt like that.
June 28th, 20098:16 pm
The Mets always seem to make the most bone headed, KJ-like plays when I’m watching them. I love it!
June 28th, 20098:19 pm
Kelly Johnson, Jeff Francoeur, Yunel Escobar.
If they had a baseball college they would be distinguished professors!
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
June 28th, 20098:20 pm
The Braves had no interest in Adam Dunn when he was a free agent, why would they now?
It is time — way past time — that we use our farm system for what it is intended to do — develop prospects to make it to the big club. That is what gets the fan base excited.
I’d rather lose with the guys from A ball right now (along with Schafer) and keep those prospects coming.
If we keep the starting pitching intact I’ll bet you guys the prospects can produce as much as the stiff vets we now rely on.
The Bird and Indian
June 28th, 20098:21 pm
Pull Yunel from there and add Loaf.
June 28th, 20098:22 pm
That’s a good question, Coach. They probably don’t have much interest, and I don’t see them giving Schafer for him. It was brought up on MLBTR that the Nats were looking to deal both him and Josh Willingham, and some people here brought it up. I’d much rather discuss a hypothetical like that then partake in senseless Braves/Cox/Wren/whoever bashing…
hey baby! let’s celebrate Tommy Hanson by making love tonight once for each of his four wins. yeah.
June 28th, 20098:23 pm
Those pictures were great. I wish they would show it on TV but it might encourage people to run on the field, I don’t think so. If anything it would discourage people from running on the field. Anyone who sees this dumb SOB looking like a complete fool getting carted off the field would never do something so stupid. I have a feeling he isn’t smiling anymore either.
June 28th, 20098:25 pm
Wasn’t that actually Bobby Cox that ran out on the field? He was so mad he pulled his uniform off and tried to get at the umpires.
nolie, you know the funny thing? I don’t remember that little hitch from the minors. (SCOOTS)
I never got to see him in person, which is why after reading the review of his mechanics I was surprised to see Russ Ortiz’s arm throwing out there.
Unfortunately i just don’t have the health or the finances anymore to go to the various Braves minor league towns like I used to.
The kinda good news is that they have reopened our local park as a Ray’s high A club. Even got their home ST games. Bad news is that we are far enough away from most sites that many times the stars don’t make the trip here, just like when Texas was here. Anyway, it’s not the Braves org, but it’s better than nothing
New Braves Slogan
June 28th, 20098:27 pm
Better than Nothing!
June 28th, 20098:29 pm
Steve — Sorry to say that if the Marlins were that willing to unload Josh Willingham within the division that shows you how little they thought of him. Dunn is ANOTHER lefthanded bat – something we do not need.
In this economy pay the money for what you really need, not something you hope will work out. We need a righthanded power bat. No one thought anything of Adam Dunn before last summer.
June 28th, 20098:30 pm
Steve from OH Our two highest OBP guys in the lineup today were Chipper and Mac, both of whom were around .405.
BMac’s is right at .405 now, if I’m correct…Hu, and I’ve been saying he’s slumping…”Oh no! He’s OBP is down to .405!”
Still can’t wait till he busts this funk, though.
June 28th, 20098:31 pm
No, that was some stupid Red Sox fan who is spending the night in jail.
June 28th, 20098:32 pm
“Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, I like Hanson as much as anybody. But, that’s the softest 15+ scoreless innings I’ve ever seen, LOL. 20+ baserunners and a nearly invisible K rate?”
I get what you’re saying, but I like it better this way. Generally speaking, young pitchers are out of their comfort zone when they’re pitching a lot of runners on base. They’ve blown away most minor leaguers, so they don’t have to pitch out of trouble as much. Hanson has gotten up to the majors and he hasn’t just blown people away. Instead, he’s pitched in a lot of precarious situations yet gotten out of them largely unscathed. He doesn’t lose faith when everything doesn’t go his way. That’s a mark of fearlessness.
June 28th, 20098:33 pm
Raul Ibanez is going to be on the DL for the upcoming series. It’ll be nice to miss him, he was killing the ball and I think he kills Vazquez too.
Adam–I’d take Willingham’s bat in our lineup right now. Wouldn’t you?
June 28th, 20098:34 pm
Brian McCann is a disgusting meat-eater. He can’t shovel God’s gentle creatures down his gullet fast enough.
Just like that Chipper Jones.
June 28th, 20098:35 pm
Anyone wanna trade Hanson for Smoltz, straight up?
Hanson for Glavine?
June 28th, 20098:36 pm
Is it true that Bobby Cox is going to be on Dancing with the Stars this season?
June 28th, 20098:37 pm
Right now, maybe – but not as a piece of the puzzle we’re trying to build. Willingham strikes out a lot.
Bring up the young guys — they cannot do any worse than what we have in terms of run production. Plus, in trying to prove themselves they would commit themselves to doing the little things well.
Enthusiasm is contagious. Did you see everyone SITTING on the bench with 2 outs in the 9th today???
This team as constructed does not have the type of chemistry that goes to the postseason.
June 28th, 20098:38 pm
Adam, that’s because this team knows it ain’t going to the postseason.
June 28th, 20098:39 pm
Right now, absolutely. He’d be our #3 hitter, behind Chipper and Mac. Bringing up the young guys would cost us club-controlled years while we watch them struggle, stunt their development, and probably destroy their confidence. Team chemistry<<<<having good players. Kids from the low minors would NOT be good players right now, so chemistry be damned.
He does hit Vazquez…OK, this series breaks the streak–in both series against the Fillies this year, we’ve had a Vazquez-Blanton match-up, but this time they’re going in differ’nt games.
But anyway, in both Vazquez-Blanton games, McCann homered, and then a little while later, Ibanez homered. It was odd…
June 28th, 20098:42 pm
The batting average of our starter today is higher than three of the positions players who started, any only 20 points behind a fourth position player. Hanson should have batted sixth today, and arguably fifth since Francouer is nothing but a singles hitter. But wait… Frenchy got hit by a pitch today. DOB, did Frenchy brag that he had two quality at bats today????
June 28th, 20098:43 pm
I wouldn’t add another bat to our line up, period. For obvious reasons.
87 games left to play, we need to win at least 53 of them. That’s a pace of .609 and that my friends……is impossible with this current team.
June 28th, 20098:44 pm
I pointed this out earlier and don’t think it got a repsonse, but the dugout camera caught Yunel laughing about him sticking his tounge out at the score keeper. McLouth apparantly speaks Cuban/Latin and he must have asked why he’s not playing. I’m not sure Yunel has learned his lesson and I wouldn’t be at all suprised if he’s wearing another uni next year. You have to remember how old school Bobby is and how he prides himself and his team on respect.
Yea, I think that’s what I remembered about that matchup. Vazquez’s first start was the walk-fest that we had in the third game if I recall where we blew it late.
June 28th, 20098:45 pm
It worked with Furcal… Heyward and Freeman were good enough to be on the 40-man roster for spring training….
Willingham strikes out 25 percent of the time — 1 out of every 4 at bats!
Anyone who wants to get rid of Hudson (before you’ve seen him even throw a pitch and attempt a comeback) needs to have their brain examined!
jason posted the carrer RECORDS on the previous page.
Exactly why are we so “in love” with a pitcher who granted has good to excellent command of 4 pitches but has a CAREER record of 2 games UNDER .500?
Folks, there is a reason for it!
Meanwhile, Look at Huddy. What was the stat that Boog kept throwing out there early last year (before he got hurt)…about getting 4 runs or more to work with? I think he basically had less than 6-7 losses in his CAREER when given 4 or more runs to work with.
One more thing…Tim Hudson is an ACE. He is a true number 1 when healthy and pitching well.
With all due respect…Javy is a middle of the rotation guy. That’s all.
Braves just happened to “catch lightning in a bottle” with Javy’s performance the past 2 months and that’s why given our overall team starting pitching situation…you SELL high. If Javy can bring us a legit OF bat for the remainder of the season, or a second baseman, WHY NOT make a trade?
I guess you want to keep trotting KJ (btw…what the FRAK was that today from him. I swear he’s got naked pics of Bobby Cox, b/c he should have been BENCHED for that BS. This is the major leagues, not A Myrtle Beach Pellicans!) and FRANCINE out there at those 2 respective positions.
We can move Javy in July, even package “some of our garbage” if anyone is willing to take them off our hands this year and still have as good or better starting rotation next year (barring Hudson making a healthy comeback. I guarantee that by next spring, he’ll be back to dominating, same as Gonzo. It takes a few more months after a player comes back right away).
What is wrong with that? NOTHING.
June 28th, 20098:46 pm
I think it’s possible that Vasquez, JJurgens and Kawakami could each have 0.01 ERAs over the next month and all go 0-5.
Yup, that was the one–my b-day. BMac had a very good day, but then our crazy bullpen blew it.
June 28th, 20098:47 pm
Adam–I’d take Willingham’s bat in our lineup right now. Wouldn’t you?
In a heartbeat…I’d bench FRANCINE and start Josh Willingham (if he were healthy, he’s always hurt with chronic back problems!)
Timmy Hudson cries himself to sleep at night.
He’s afraid of the dark, misses his mommy, and lost his teddy bear.
June 28th, 20098:49 pm
Since when do strikeouts represent a big enough detriment to offensive production to ignore a .900+OPS? And since when do 19 year-olds succeed in the majors?
When the battery consists of Vasquez and McCann…
can you call it Mac ‘n Cheese?
“Everyone loves Vazquez now.”
I’ve loved him going all the way back to 2001. He was arguably the best pitcher in baseball the second half of that year right up until Ryan Dempster accidentally brained him. Vazzie had been a 2.2 ERA guy for about 2 1/2 months before that happened. It’s debatable whether the broken eye socket set back him or Dempster more. Dempster pitched scared for the next two seasons and only recovered when he got to Chicago. Vazzie was clearly not the same guy in 2002 after the injury. He’s always been a pitcher who did better when he was happy with his surroundings. That’s why it didn’t work with the Yankees or Ozzie Guillen. It’s also one of the things that Bobby Cox’s critics should consider about his play this year. He’s finally pitching at a place where he’s longed to be for years now. It’s not coincidental that he’s the destroying people.
June 28th, 20098:50 pm
McLouth and Yunel better be in there at CF and SS on Tuesday.
Enough of the garbage that is Blanco and Henrandez at those positions.
It’s not enough that we have to endure KJ and FRANCINE…the OUT making Twins!
Oh, and Jeff did his best LOAF impersonation on that ball that bounced off KJ’s glove. Should have been pulled for that sh*t but he’s got pics of Bobby looking at porn ready to be released if benched!
Andruw Jones got benched for not hustling to a single before, I guess Jeff can take plays off!
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