1:54 pm June 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 28th, 20096:39 pm
Willieg = ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY AS MUCH AS ITS ABOUT THAT ITS ALL IN BOLD FACED TEXT – STUPID
June 28th, 20096:40 pm
I normally like Ron Gant, but…
No way Heyward needs to be up with the big club right now. Yeah, he’s hitting well in A+ ball, but he missed a month…and it’s A-ball! JH is a great, great prospect, but he still needs some more time. I don’t want to see him get the Schafer treatment just yet.
What a day for Francoeur…
Starts off with a “Penny for his thoughts” and ends with TMI on Frenchies panties.
If his wife can’t wash them, maybe “Frenchy’s Maids” can get it done quicker.
Steve from OH
June 28th, 20096:42 pm
Some fast starters so far at Danville: Robby Hefflinger already has 4 homers in six games, Adam Milligan (keep an eye on him) has 2 homers and 5 doubles in 6 games, Riaan Spanjer-Furstenberg is batting .600 with a homer, and Stovall, Oberholtzer, and Teheran have all looked decent so far. Yes, it’s 6 games in rookie ball. I’m that big of a prospect hugger. Deal with it.
Lew: As I asked earlier, what is the estimated timetable for Hudson’s return? July or August?
willieg makes me miss Marietta Derrick.
June 28th, 20096:43 pm
Hudson, on the other hand, is the girl you take home to mama. scoots
This made me laugh.
I don’t trust Vazquez. Chop Chop
It’s because he talks with his hips, right?
Again the problem is not pitching, it’s lack of offense. The rotation is set for the next two years. Thats the least of our concerns. Right now we need a RH power bat. Francoeur is clearly not the answer and KJ is just mediocre. Package those two and get a rh power hitter, even if you have to rent a player. If you lose him next year what did you really lose two struggling players that deserve to be in triple A.
June 28th, 20096:44 pm
I know it wasn’t directed at me but Huddy’s aiming to be back mid to late August
June 28th, 20096:45 pm
Lew, Hudson will have had a full 18 months (or close to it) by the time ST rolls around, and the Braves don’t have to make a decision on the option until the winter. Plenty of time to see if he’s worth it or not by the time of, oh, the winter meetings, say.
Yes, it’s 6 games in rookie ball. Steve from OH
That’s more than enough time for me to dub Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg our catcher of the future. He’d obviously be better than that scrub we got now…
IF, IF, IF-IF Huddy comes back. IF he pitches like he used to. The facts are we know how Vazquez is pitching (pretty freaking well). We have no idea if Hudson comes back strong. Even IF he comes back in a month and pitches OK from the pen, what have we really learned? How can you wait until Spring to make a judgement? Simple answer-you can’t. Both make the same $$$$. One would have to be traded to get the cash back. Take the known quantity and let the other Dude ride. No trade necessary. Let him walk and spend the cash on a bat.
June 28th, 20096:46 pm
Can you imagine that name on the back of a jersey, Roman Gal? They’d have to put “S-F” to save space…
Scoots-And if we wait until next Spring to see how he does and trade Vazquez in the winter, then we have no options left and just made a big mistake. Too many ifs. Take what you know and get the bat.
June 28th, 20096:48 pm
This team will need to score about 6 runs a game to bat Philly. I’m a little confused why Blanco is your leadoff man.
I’m looking forward to seeing how that works out. I wonder what it looks like now. Do they put names on the backs of jerseys in rookie ball?
June 28th, 20096:49 pm
It seems to me we are having a nice conversation on which pitcher is to be traded, I don’t recall having all this talent last year,do you guys?
i trust vaz plenty…for the MOR. hudson is coming off elbow surgery, not shoulder surgery, and shouldn’t be a “question”. typically big leaguers come back improved after such surgery.
there is a lot of credence being made here to trade lowe, extend both hudson and vaz for lesser dollars, and reinvest in offense.
the player i still want is dye, although we all know dunn is available.
June 28th, 20096:50 pm
Nascar baby, 179 of 300 laps and Jeff Gordon is leading (BlessYou)
yeah that boy sure does know how to turn left, don’t he?
June 28th, 20096:51 pm
ncscoots, Yes but Javy is proven to stay healthy, something Huddy has not. I like them both. I would like to have them both. But to keep both that means Lowe has to go. I will say it now. I would trade Lowe for nothingmore than a relief pitcher. I also would agree to pay a portion of his remaining salary.
Who would want Lowe’s contract, rtrafford?
June 28th, 20096:52 pm
My ideal rotation would consist of Huddy, Vazquez, JJ, KK, Hanson. Sorry, Derek. You’re good now, but in a year or two we will be way overpaying for an older pitcher.
June 28th, 20096:53 pm
Dan, That actually be gain. By getting rid of KJ and JF.
June 28th, 20096:54 pm
I like Riaan. He’s batting a cool .600 and we almost have the same birthday. Get that kid in Atlanta
Roman Gal He’d obviously be better than that scrub we got now…
Yeah, well, you just WAIT!! My man Blanton is pitching on Tuesday! Ho-ho! We’ll see what kinda “scrub” our catcher is then…
June 28th, 20096:55 pm
jason- That’s what we call addition by subtraction.
Lew, LOL, you think the Braves aren’t going to monitor Hudson’s continuing rehab after October? That they’ll just not look him up until February and go, “Say, Tim, how’s it going? think you’ll be OK?”
C’mon, bro, you know better than that. Hey, Hudson may still have some setbacks, for all I know. I’m going on the 95%+ success rate of the surgery he’s had, and making a June assumption. All subject to revision. Besides, I’m not in favor of trading Vazquez today, at all.
With Lowe, Jurrjens and Hanson, that’s a very solid 3 for the future. Huddy OR Vazquez makes it a formidable 4. Do you play it safe and go with Vazquez or the higher ceiling in Huddy IF he fully recovers?
June 28th, 20096:56 pm
Amazing , I leave the blog for a few days yet when I finally take a look , ya’ll are still having the same discussion. LOL
June 28th, 20096:57 pm
I don’t understand all this pitching talk. Thats not the problem!!!
We just held a quality ballclub like Boston to a total of 6 runs in the entire 3 game series. We didn’t sweep because we sucked offensively, only 3 runs in the entire series. Thats pathetic and TP should be replaced.
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
Lew, I know you’re ignorant but this is sheer unadulterated stupidity. Hey man, when Huddy comes back in 2010 better than ever…..I’m gonna dog the living hell out you, all season long!
the hope of the braves nation rests in your hands mr hanson
June 28th, 20096:58 pm
when we are finally in the postseason and lowe is mowing down the best lineups in the game right now, we will be saying we got a great deal with lowe’s contract.
as far as javy goes…..have you seen him pitch after the all-star break? when its crunch time, javy is a no show…..
ncscoots, It sucks, and gonna suck when the day comes that FW is going to have to choose. Can’t trade the one that needs to go (Lowe). So, what do you do. If they do trade Javy, I ain’t gonna cry because I know we signed Huddy. And vice versa.
Lowe for Dunn straight up. Washington isn’t a threat and they need pitching as bad as anyone in the league.
June 28th, 20096:59 pm
If the Braves lose 2 of 3 to the Phillies, it’s over. The Braves only have a few tradeable players. Soriano, Gonzales, Escobar and Vasquez. Lowe is not tradeable..
Dan, the problem is deciding on which pitcher to ship out to free up money for this big bat that you are talking about. ADHD?
His delivery is whacked and it is just a matter of time before that elbow blows (BravesFan88)
IF you are referring to my post and that is what you got out of it, then your reading comprehension is practically nonexistent. Do they teach remedial reading in the grade school that you graduated from? You might wanna go back and take it a third time..
Derek Lowe would sooner put his hand in a wood chipper than go to Washington.
June 28th, 20097:00 pm
This isn’t Braves talk but Ian Snell got sent to AAA by Pittsburgh. He fans 17 in 7 innings in his first start, including 13 IN A ROW.
Yep, we’ll see. But, I’m convinced that RS-F could come up right now and still have the greatest offensive season ever put up by a catcher…he’d even break the most doubles in a single season record.
Packerman, Lowe would probablt just shoot himself in the head.
“Again the problem is not pitching, it’s lack of offense. The rotation is set for the next two years. Thats the least of our concerns. Right now we need a RH power bat. Francoeur is clearly not the answer and KJ is just mediocre. Package those two and get a rh power hitter, even if you have to rent a player. If you lose him next year what did you really lose two struggling players that deserve to be in triple A.”
Dan, even if you got some GM to make that deal a contract can be voided if one of the parties is impaired when they sign it.
June 28th, 20097:02 pm
Just wait til Jordan Schafer gets wind of the fact that Washington is looking at him…
Dan, people are just discussing who we’d get rid of to add the offense.
Also, if the Braves were to trade their most expensive free agent signing in years to the worst team in baseball in the first year of a four-year contract, why would any future big-name free agent consider Atlanta?
Ooo-oh! Now you went too far! Break the MDSSBC record?? Ha! In your dreams!
June 28th, 20097:03 pm
scoots-You have two players making the same $$$. One is pitching lights out and one is rehabbing from a major surgery. You can only keep one. One (the healthy one) you would have to trade (lots of fun trying to deal with that-so we’ve seen). The other (the surgery impaired one) you would just have to wave goodbye to. Seems pretty freaking obvious to me you take the healthy one and wave good bye to the other and go out and buy a bat.
Dude-they can monitor all they want (need we mention Mike Hampton and all the monitoring we did?), but watching him during the winter in totally controlled situations will tell them damned little-Spring Training is too late to wait. No matter how much we like Hudson and think he’s been great for us, he’s still an unknown quantity. Vazquez-no nearly as much. Seems simple to me. Bye bye Tim.
It looks like your the only fan on this site today, that knows whats going on. These other guys are concearned about pitching and moving pitchers left and right. Nobody has to go anywhere, the five man rotation is set!!! Hitting is what we need. We have enough scub pithers that we can use as bait. Like JoJo Reyes, Parr, etc.
June 28th, 20097:04 pm
Lowe for Dunn straight up. Washington isn’t a threat and they need pitching as bad as anyone in the league.
Help! I’ve nearly laughed myself to death. Call the police. Help. I need help.
June 28th, 20097:05 pm
I’m bleeding. Help. Call 911.
Excluding arbitration eligible player and those making the major league minimum, Atlanta has 72 million committed for 2010. Of which, some 11.5 million is coming off the books because Vasquez is the most likely to be traded. Leaving 61.5 million on the books.
I’ll let Lew explain why our Braves are supposedly low on cash??????
jason, I’m confused on the “hurt Huddy” thing. Until last year, he’d never thrown fewer than 188 innings or made fewer than 27 starts. In fact, he only had two years of fewer than 30 starts, and had 29 in one of those. Seems to me that he’s a guy who answers the bell with regularity.
June 28th, 20097:07 pm
Not just the MDSSBC, but the MDSSBAE (Most Doubles in a Single Season by Anyone Ever). Yep, he’s on his way to the Hall of Fame. But hey, McCann will certainly look good on that bench!
Pitching is set — gut what’s left, including Medlen if necessary along with Kotchman, Francouer etc for a lefty in the ‘pen and a power bat.
BTW — With Adam Dunn we DO NOT NEED another lefthanded batter in the lineup.
June 28th, 20097:08 pm
Hey, the Hudson issue is the type of discussion which separates the knowledgeable fans from those who have their heads up their asses.
June 28th, 20097:11 pm
ncscoots, Most starting pitchers work 32-33 or more games per year. You said 27, 29, 30. That looks like a DL stint to me. I am saying that Javy goes 32 and 200 yearly, book it . He does. Again, I am not bashing Huddy. I just think at this time Javy is more established as a healthy starter when compared to Huddy. I want to keep them both.
June 28th, 20097:12 pm
Oh man…you’re walkin’ on thin ice, now! “MDSSBAE”?
But hey, McCann will certainly look good on that bench!
On the bench? Nah, no…you got that mixed up. You mean McCann’s gonna look good as the next Bench!
June 28th, 20097:13 pm
I see Atlanta’s defense was much improved today without Yunel out there causing everything to go wrong for the Braves. Ha! Hey Joe Simpson, who do we blame when Esco doesn’t play??
Coach Moon Pie-Go ahead Dude and add to our meager store of knowledge Oh All KNowing one. Your clarifications are one of the funniest parts of a blogger’s day. Tell us why we’re broke.
June 28th, 20097:14 pm
[Hudson is] still an unknown quantity. Vazquez-no nearly as much
Sorry, my friend, the “known quantity” of Vazquez is the point that seals the deal on my position in the matter, LOL. We’ll just have to disagree and wait for the GM meetings.
June 28th, 20097:16 pm
jason, I think you misunderstood. Check out his stats on baseball-reference, that might clear my muddy waters.
ncscoots, I will comprimise. We have Medlen. We can use him to fill out Huddy’s missed starts. He is averageing 29 starts over the past 5 years. That will give Medlen somewhere around 3-4 starts.
Chill out everyone. I don’t even want Dunn. Just looking to get a rise out of everyone. hehehe
Yep. You heard me, M.D.S.S.B.A.E. Hall of Fame. He’ll be so good that even though he only gets called up a week before the all-star game, he still makes it (thereby taking McCann’s spot).
NO MORE BOBBY
June 28th, 20097:17 pm
Pay attention to Tommy Hanson. He’s not soft and showed you can play sick / hurt.
scoots-You have watched Vazquez with the Braves? What exactly is unknown about him? He’s a NL pitcher, he’s happy and it shows. Sentimentality a for Hudson is not going to tell you what he’s got left in the tank or when he might have it. He might come back strong and might not. For once we’re in a position where we don’t need to find out.
June 28th, 20097:18 pm
I’m just throwing this out there…
Pandora is ah-mazing.
June 28th, 20097:19 pm
ncscoots, Actually I didn’t realize how healthy Huddy has been in ATL. I just looked up his stats. He was injured his last year in OAK made 27 starts. he made 29 his first year with ATL, and then 35 and 34 before the elbow. Like I said. I want to keep them both. Whomever stays I will be satisfied, even if it is Huddy.
Coach — in this economy if you think ANY MLB TEAM would commit $13 million to a pitcher coming off major surgery than I am proud to have my head up my rear end.
Starting pitching is the only area on the Braves which is locked down — we can trot solid guys out there every day.
Commit the $13 million for Hudson to getting guys in here who can hit, hit with power, move guys along and produce 100 runs. And bring up the young guys together.
June 28th, 20097:20 pm
Mm-mm-mm…counting those doubles before they split the gap! My my my…
Takes BMac’s spot in the ASG? Not a chance! BMac’s gonna bust outta this slump any game now! He’s gonna get well with the day off tomorrow…you just watch!
And don’t go getting your perty little hopes up, what with the Reaper comin’ to town and all…
1999 Oakland Athletics 11 2 3.23 21 21 1 0 0 0 136.1 121 56 49 8 4 62 132
2000 Oakland Athletics 20 6 4.14 32 32 2 2 0 0 202.1 169 100 93 24 7 82 169
2001 Oakland Athletics 18 9 3.37 35 35 3 0 0 0 235.0 216 100 88 20 6 71 181
2002 Oakland Athletics 15 9 2.98 34 34 4 2 0 0 238.1 237 87 79 19 8 62 152
2003 Oakland Athletics 16 7 2.70 34 34 3 2 0 0 240.0 197 84 72 15 10 61 162
2004 Oakland Athletics 12 6 3.53 27 27 3 2 0 0 188.2 194 82 74 8 12 44 103
2005 Atlanta Braves 14 9 3.52 29 29 2 0 0 0 192.0 194 79 75 20 9 65 115
2006 Atlanta Braves 13 12 4.86 35 35 2 1 0 0 218.1 235 129 118 25 9 79 141
2007 Atlanta Braves 16 10 3.33 34 34 1 1 0 0 224.1 221 87 83 10 8 53 132
2008 Atlanta Braves 11 7 3.17 23 22 1 1 0 0 142.0 125 53 50 11 2 40 85
Career Totals 146 77 3.48 304 303 22 11 0 0 2017.1 1909 857 781 160 75 619 1372
I think the Huddy/Vasquez discussion is just a tiny bit premature. Of course it’s easy to say get rid of Huddy and keep Vasquez now bc Huddy hasn’t pitched. But, if Huddy does come back reletively strong this year, you trade Vasquez because you’re much more likely to get something of value for him rather than just letting Huddy walk.
June 28th, 20097:22 pm
jason, there you go, LOL. We’re agreed, next topic.
1998 Montreal Expos 5 15 6.06 33 32 0 0 0 — 172.1 196 121 116 31 11 68 139
1999 Montreal Expos 9 8 5.00 26 26 3 1 0 0 154.2 154 98 86 20 4 52 113
2000 Montreal Expos 11 9 4.05 33 33 2 1 0 0 217.2 247 104 98 24 5 61 196
2001 Montreal Expos 16 11 3.42 32 32 5 3 0 0 223.2 197 92 85 24 3 44 208
2002 Montreal Expos 10 13 3.91 34 34 2 0 0 0 230.1 243 111 100 28 4 49 179
2003 Montreal Expos 13 12 3.24 34 34 4 1 0 0 230.2 198 93 83 28 4 57 241
2004 New York Yankees 14 10 4.91 32 32 0 0 0 0 198.0 195 114 108 33 11 60 150
2005 Arizona Diamondbacks 11 15 4.42 33 33 3 1 0 0 215.2 223 112 106 35 5 46 192
2006 Chicago White Sox 11 12 4.84 33 32 1 0 0 0 202.2 206 116 109 23 15 56 184
2007 Chicago White Sox 15 8 3.74 32 32 2 0 0 0 216.2 197 95 90 29 7 50 213
2008 Chicago White Sox 12 16 4.67 33 33 1 0 0 0 208.1 214 113 108 25 6 61 200
2009 Atlanta Braves 5 7 3.04 16 16 1 0 0 0 106.2 90 39 36 10 1 23 125
Career Totals 132 136 4.26 371 369 24 7 0 — 2377.1 2360 1208 1125 310 76 627 2140
And don’t go getting your perty little hopes up, what with the Reaper comin’ to town and all… McFann
Don’t you get your perty little hopes up. How do you think RS-F is going to get called up…somebody has to go on the DL…
(Ok, now that’s probably taking it too far)
June 28th, 20097:23 pm
That was painful to look at.
To me the issue is not who we are keeping, but who are we trading to upgrade this pitiful offense. We most certainly are loaded with pitching when Hudson comes back, please get some hitters!
June 28th, 20097:24 pm
Coach, Cots has us at 63MM committed in 2010 BEFORE adding league-min and arb costs into that. Where are you getting 72MM from?
June 28th, 20097:25 pm
Vazquez and Prado are the true future of this team SCOOTS, you is just too doodoo headish to see that.
As for what I said about Hanson, I said he is a dart-thrower along the lines of Ortix and doesn’t use his lower body to generate power as much as I would like. Both add some arm stress, but I did not say he was gonna fail or be disabled because of it. Actually the gist of my comment was about the guy on DriveLineMechanics who didn’t bother to mention either of those points. It wasn’t really about Hanson per se
June 28th, 20097:26 pm
It’s 49MM without Huddy’s option (and accounting for his buyout), but I added it in there anyway just for giggles, so 63 MM it is…
ncscoots, I think its because he has been gone for a year now. I miss him. He is tough as nails. I like his energy. I like looking into the dugout now and see him passing on the knowledge to Medlen and Hanson.
I also like Vasquez. I have liked him over his entire career. Back when he pitched for the Expos, I was like Damn we need to get this kid. He was kicking ATL’s but eveytime out. He would have broken out sooner had he stayed in the N.L.
It’s almost like most hitters can tranlate fromleague to league, but pitchers it is harder. Especially going from N.L. to A.L.
June 28th, 20097:27 pm
What a curve ball that Tommy Hanson has.
It’s BIG and the BOTTOM just drops out.
What a BIG BOTTOM curve.
Roman Gal I know i tried to space a couple of times, then said the heck with it.
June 28th, 20097:28 pm
Roman Gal (Ok, now that’s probably taking it too far)
Just a little…but I started it… Sorry…
hudson’s 2010 option is $12mm, not $13mm, and it’s a lot less than lowe is making. more, he’s coming back from elbow surgery, not exactly an unpredictable issue. he has also insinuated that he wants to end his career with atlanta, and may well do so for less money than the $12mm he’s due in the option. we might well extend him for 3/$30mm (speculation).
so trade lowe, extend hudson, trust hanson and jj, let vaz fill out the MOR, and leave kawi in the #5 until rohr or minor is ready.
June 28th, 20097:30 pm
rtrafford, I am for that. But how do we unload Lowe?
McCann needs to get it together. Too bad they’re not actually going to Philly, then he could hit a few dingers and get his confidence back up.
The Nationals have shown interest in Schafer, what about Schafer for Dunn?
June 28th, 20097:31 pm
“OMG WILL YOU STOP POSTING YOUR STUPID BLOG!
You can’t even spell CANADIAN! Why would we read your blog!?” (RHR)
My thoughts exactly.
Who knows, maybe Huddy’ll be a team guy, realize that the Braves need to keep Vasquez and take less money to stay with Atlanta.
Max McGonigle, Oh Brother!!! I am not going through this again.
If Lowe continues to pitch the way he has, no one will want another 3 years.
The Doobious Brothers
June 28th, 20097:32 pm
Tim Hudson knows he will never be an effective pitcher ever again. That is why he has begun training for his new career as a pastry chef.
That’s a negative, ghostrider. You think we could convince them that CJ Lee is the next Andruw Jones?
McFann, BMac was sick. Take a day or 2 to get back to norm. Did you see my HR go about 5 foot foul. It was crushed. With the day off tomorrow, he should be ready to get back down to buissness on Tuesday.
June 28th, 20097:33 pm
nolie, guilty, to doo-doo-headish-ness (and how IS Charlie doing?). Free Marteen.
I got to get around to looking at the driveline site one of these days, I guess.
By the way, I cannot believe how Joe Simpson railed, and I mean RAILED, Escobar for not catching a throw from McCann that was five feet up the first base side AND it hit the runner (Game 2 of the Yankees series with Jeter stealing), but he will forever give KJ a free pass for his defensive woes. Did anyone see the hit by Varitek which Kelly missed (should have made they play to begin with) and then lied on the ground watching it trickle into right field? With KJ in the prone position, the 37 year old catcher turned it into a double (or 2 a base error if you’re Escobar) and the first thing Hater Joe says is, “That one is all on Varitek, the guy just hustles.” The second thing from his mouth is some nonsense about how Kelly must have hurt himself on the play. THEN, Kelly boots the very next ball because he is still thinking about the last play (a-la Escobar acting a fool on the A-Rod play) and there is no mention of Kelly, “playing for the name on the back of the jersey rather than playing for the name on the front of the jersey.” Of course, that’s one Of Chip’s dumb a** lines, but I’ll save my Chip rant for another day.
STOP being a hater Joe Simpson and show some equality when you casually shred players apart from the broadcast booth. You with your lifetime .242 batting average and your career .606 OPS.
Or Francouer for that matter…
Is it true that they sent Tommy Hanson’s cap to Cooperstown today?
June 28th, 20097:34 pm
Yeah…for once in my life, I actually want them to play in Filly…it’s bad, I know.
Course, that trip to Cincy’s GAB did him no good whatsoever…
Maybe a complete day off from baseball is just what the doctor ordered, so to speak…?
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