1:54 pm June 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 28th, 20095:39 pm
Wait wait wait…Jeff didn’t wear the underwear during the game? He just wore them while driving to the park? Ok, first of all…TMI. Second of alll..what a horsesh!t lucky charm. You fail again, Jeffy.
June 28th, 20095:40 pm
my Braves team on MLB ‘09 the Show is fantastic.
June 28th, 20095:41 pm
Ah, man! Too much information in your 5:24, Chief!
Steve from OH
Dave, I really appreciate all you do for us, but can we stop with the updates on Frenchy’s underwear? NOT what I come here to see, LOL!
June 28th, 20095:42 pm
Steve from OH ,
About Hanson’s mechanics, who knows who is more right. Maybe the kid has a long and prosperous career. I hope so and I hope it’s with the Braves. And I will say that John Smoltz has always had, by definition, the most fluid mechanics of any pitcher I’ve ever seen. But, look at how many operations he has undergone. Who knows, right?
June 28th, 20095:43 pm
Well… here’s hoping Lowe has gotten the batting-practice bug out of his system. We need a big start from him on Tuesday!!
June 28th, 20095:44 pm
KC, to little to late. And what I said earlier was an exaggeration. Did you see the series in BOS where when you play LF, you are leaning against the wall. Did you see those 2Bs get by. not the ones bounced off the monster either. Have ever seen the guy throw the ball anywhere except to the SS in the OF grass. Bos did not score a run in the inning today, but he should have threw that ball to third. He should have challanged the runner. It’s not like the big fat Papi was going to try and go to 2B, he was already out of breath.
Yes, Loaf is swinging the bat, but when you add hime to Francouer, you only have one player in two bodies.
RJB in DC
June 28th, 20095:45 pm
As much as I don’t want to, I have to disagree with thinking we can still be in it… Right now, both the Mets and Phillies are struggling due to injuries. They will get healthy and the players coming back are impact players. Maybe getting Omar Infante back gets KJ to the bench. But that is not going to give us the horses to stay up with the offensive numbers that either of those two teams can generate.
DOB – I wasn’t fully paying attention to it all week, but did they play Sittin on the Dock of the Bay EVERY time before Jason Bay came up?
That’s embarrassing not just because he plays for the other team, but because it sounded so lame on an organ.
What the F happened to Katy Temple
June 28th, 20095:47 pm
I WANT ANSWERS
That like 5 hour Jackson 5 movie is on…gotta say it is pretty good.
KC,I love your posts my friend, but GA sucks defensively,does not hustle and most surely does not have a strong arm. The negatives outweigh the positives for me.
June 28th, 20095:48 pm
Jerry–Like I said, sound mechanics don’t guarantee anything, but they’re a great start. That’s why I’m such a big fan of Jurrjens–really like what he brings to the table. Hanson’s mechanics are far from perfect, but I can’t say I agree about his arm action. I’m a big fan. But then again, I’m no expert, just a self-educated layman. So who knows?
In regard to Smoltz, I had thought that too, but this guy here
disagrees. After watching the slo-mo clips I agree with him. But Smoltzie always pitched thru pain and is a superior athlete so that probably saved him…
June 28th, 20095:49 pm
I know trading Lowe is pretty much out of the equation, but I’d rather lose him than Hudson. Hudson wants to stay here, will cost 12 million next year, and is a proven ace. Lowe will cost us 15 million next year, has no ties to Atlanta, and is 3 years older. Hudson is a better pitcher than Lowe, he’s younger, and he’s cheaper. Losing Lowe would free up $45 million over the next 3 years to go after that big bat we all crave.
Did any of ya’ll read the AP story on DeRosa on the main page? I would like to hear some opinions on this (DOB feel free to include your thoughts) but I think the DeRosa trade is quite the tell-tell sign of how the economy has affected the teams philisophy on payroll.
I honestly believed that when Cleveland got Mark from Chicago, it was a for long-term purpose. But when you struggle as bad as the Indians have, and maybe you’re having problems at the ticket stand, then somewhere you gotta cut to stay afloat. I honestly think the DeRosa trade is a perfect example of that being the case.
It makes you wonder what teams are gonna do a month or six weeks from now?
June 28th, 20095:50 pm
CB, Thank you for saying what I am trying to say to KC in regards to Loaf.
Trade Kelly Johnson, replace him with Prado (RH) trade Jeff Francoeur, get somebody that can at least make productive outs and fire Terry Pendleton. That sounds like a quick fix to me. It’s a shame that we’re wasting all these good pitching efforts by JV and JJ.
Is it true you had dinner with Kotsay last night? Was it for a story or just hanging? just curious.
June 28th, 20095:52 pm
Here’s an idea. Let’s trade KJ and Francouer for a breath of fresh air. What do you think? Addition by subtraction.
That’s right, KC.
It’s all coming together now.
Our problems are solved. Just put Dan at GM. Thanks, man
June 28th, 20095:53 pm
Steve-OH (or nolie, if you’re around), what did nolie have to say about Hanson’s lower body mechanics? Please, don’t make me go back and search for it, LOL.
June 28th, 20095:55 pm
It’s a damn shame the Braves can’t get their **** together because our pitching staff is about the best I’ve seen or even remember this decade.
I can’t help but to fantacize (hmm) about our chances if we somehow made it to the World Series because our rotation is amazing. These guys are post-season type pitchers. It’s a damn shame. Even if we made a big trade (or perhaps, another big trade) we still probably couldn’t get it all together.
If the team we have now could more often resemble the team we saw on opening night in Philly we’d probably be in October bound.
It’s an irrational hope but this pitching staff, plus Tim Hudson, in the World Series would dominate.
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
If Hanson had not been pitching, I would not have watched today’s game. Hanson was dominant today in spite of just two strike outs. He kept the ball down, made his pitches, stayed on the corners and made the Red Sox hit his pitch. Personally, I would have kept him in the game for one more inning because he was cruising. The Red Sox could not square up on the ball as the last six outs were either fly balls, ground outs and one strike out to end the sixth.
What to say about the rest of the team? Chipper and Anderson both got one pitch to drive and that was the gist of our offense. The defense was once again, Horrific. Especially that of Kelly Johnson. He botched three plays today, one of which led to the Red Sox scoring in the ninth when the game should have already been over. KJ did steal two bases along with Jeff Francoeur swiping one. I might be mistaken but I think the three stolen bases is a team high for the season in one game.
Today was just the fifth game we won where three runs or less were scored by our offense. That kind of sums up the season doesn’t it?
O’Brien can drop the old “WE ARE JUST FIVE GAMES BACK” crap anytime now. It’s over and everybody knows it. 87 games are left, requiring our Braves to play .600 ball the rest of the way to have any prayer at the playoffs. That ain’t gonna happen.
When will Frank Wren hang the for sale sign out? Hey, it can’t happen fast enough for this fan!
the real Andy
anybody want to place any bets about whether Glavine would be 4-0 with a 2.something ERA right now? at least Tommy G didn’t file that grievance – he’d look pretty darn silly right about now.
June 28th, 20095:56 pm
scoots–I believe he stated that Hanson did not use his lower body efficiently. I think he pointed to a short stride as part of it. I believe that was the jist of it, but I could be totally wrong. My short term memory? Not so good. LOL!
Chop Chop, I love your optimism, but I disagree that it’s all coming together. Not yet. To reiterate what I said a moment ago, clearly it hasn’t all come together yet. When you look at the pieces the Braves have, I think they’re capable of playing much better than they have.
June 28th, 20095:57 pm
what is going on brave fans watching the dodgers make a comeback against the seattle its 4-2 right now mitchell the braves have looked better the past 2days than they did the last 30 thats for sure if ching ming wang can get his crap together the yankees can pick up a game.
June 28th, 20095:58 pm
Ok, If Jeff wears the underwear Tuesday and the Braves win again, there is no way that his teammates should let him on the field without them from then on.
June 28th, 20095:59 pm
KC, I didn’t mean any disrespect when debating with you earlier. There ais a lot of dead weight on this team. There is also a lot on life support.
June 28th, 20096:00 pm
Chop Chop, nice sarcasm
I hate bashing a player but how is KJ still on this team? He has no reason to be a starting 2nd baseman in the majors.
June 28th, 20096:01 pm
scoots–I believe he stated that Hanson did not use his lower body efficiently.
Ah, shoot, I already knew that, LOL. Thought nolie had provided his usual brilliant and penetrating insight for something of which I was totally unaware. What a doo-doo head.
Well, the good news is Chipper broke out of his slump. He is now sitting 6 for his last 64. Plus he made only one error today.
So just watching the game now- man, Tommy Hanson is impressive isn’t he? Kid looks great. Good, and desperately needed, win- guys will be able to relax a bit on the off day.
And now I know way too much about Jeff Francoeur’s underwear…do I even want to know what “if necessary” means? I’m thinking NO
June 28th, 20096:02 pm
In regards to possibly trading Derek Lowe, I think that the only way the Braves would be able to accomplish it would be if 1) Lowe got back into a groove, and 2) the Braves ate a decent portion of his contract. The Braves have good young pitchers in Hanson, Jurrjens, and Medlin. In order for the Braves to be able to address their offensive needs for the future, they need to unload Lowe, Vazquez, and Kawakami. That would get them some decent prospects for the future, plus get rid of a lot of salary. Don’t get me wrong, I like both Vazquez and Kawakami, but unless the Braves plan is to win now instead of building for the long haul, then they need to make some deals.
I don’t want to sell, we did that last year
I’ll bet you gave Chipper that hug, didn’t you? I knew it would break him out of his slump. Oh, and tell Frenchy that we like the Turkey underwear.
June 28th, 20096:05 pm
KC, I love the optimism but dude, you are gonna be so disappointed in about six weeks.
KJ, Francoeur, Anderson, Blanco and even Diaz are all dead weight. This team is in need of a major overhaul.
June 28th, 20096:06 pm
We could trade Lowe at some point but it would be a salary dump situation. He’s pricey, but i like the guy on the team. Hes a horse that will be a nasty # 3 next year..
June 28th, 20096:07 pm
Yunel needs to learn to use his lower body more efficiently. Between the hot chicks and riding the pine, his hip is getting a real workout.
June 28th, 20096:08 pm
Frankie Knuckles, we have to sell, like it or not.
Frankie Knuckles, Why do we have to buy or sell? Why not stay put. The only players you worry about are the ones who’s contracts expire. I agree the probability of moving Lowe is almost unrealistic. So, the next best thing is to not pick up Huddy’s option. 12 Mil. right there. The rotation is ready to make a run for the next 2 years. ATL needs to address 2B and RF. You have to try and sign either Gonzo or Soriano. Wish we could sign both. If you can’t you have to trade for a RF and a 2B, and some young Relief pitchers. We should not have to sell. We are close to competing, but yet so far.
Braves have to throw out all the stops against Philly-whatever it takes we need a sweep.
June 28th, 20096:09 pm
bad weather is coming tonight get ready
Boy we will be in it by the end of July. The Braves always play better after the allstar break and we are not going to be out of it after June. A minor miracal.
June 28th, 20096:10 pm
Stick a fork in them. They are done. It’s time for DOB, the blind homer, to spew forth more BS on why the Braves are still in it. When can we put Booby Cox out to pasture?
June 28th, 2009
Man It hurt not getting that bunt down…That will cost us the game…
groundfog, That’s a tough sell. We suck at home(and on the road), and Philly absolutely rakes on the road. How is the rotation set? Lowe, KK, and Javy?
June 28th, 20096:11 pm
…while they were wrestling that fat schlub
I think it was a friend of Bowman’s, visiting from W. Va. DOB
KJ, Francoeur, Anderson, Blanco and even Diaz are all dead weight.
Well “dead weight” is relative I think. No way you can lump Garret Anderson with KJ and Francoeur, Anderson is starting to come around and while he is not a good defensive player, the other two have had problems in all phases of the game.
Diaz isn’t dead weight, but he is a part-timer that shouldn’t be asked to play a larger role.
Say what you will about the offense (or lack thereof), but Tommy Hanson not only proved he’s going to live up to all the hype, but he also proved he’s got a set of big brass ones. To go out there today in that heat after losing his lunch for several days -not to mention shut out the best team in baseball on two hits-showed a lot of guts-something you might believe he heaved out the past week..
You know, it makes perfect sense to try and trade for a big bat still, maybe one that has a few years left on his contract, and here’s why: Even though the Braves are 5 games under .500, we are still only 5 out of first in a very winnable division. So maybe getting that bat pushes us to start winning because we are within reach, and if not, then we got the pieces to really make a run at it next year. So what could it really hurt if we got a bat this year? Nothing really.
June 28th, 20096:12 pm
Just courious, was that idiot that jumped on the field in the 9th a Braves fan or a member of the Red Sox Nation?
braves will not sweep philly they may get swept the braves the phillies hit the ball real good the past 2days.
June 28th, 20096:13 pm
RJB in DC -
I was just making the point that, with so many games left against the Philies, Mets and marlins, we have a chance to gain a lot of ground by beating these teams head to head instead of depending on other teams. And the flip side is, we could lose a lot of ground as well.
June 28th, 20096:14 pm
kirkinga, You have watched Loaf in LF? on the bases?
Diaz is dead weight. Pretty sure he is a great guy and all… but he ain’t striking fear in any opposing pitchers. Hmmm, Except Marlin pitchers.
kirkinga, I lump those guys together because they are either below average defensively, offensively or both. I want guys who can play D and hit the ball.
Think about this as well, if the Braves sweep the Phillies, which is really unlikely, but it could happen, then the Braves could find themselves just 2 games out of first with almost a whole month till the trade deadline.
June 28th, 20096:15 pm
7. diaz (rf)
think this ever happens?
June 28th, 20096:16 pm
If BC is not willing to bench all of his players for stupid plays,I would bet that he has lost Escobor’s respect for being the only one publicly singled out. As much as I like Escobor being a brave, he will never be the player he can be in Atlanta. Coming up in the culture he did his values and ways are different than here.But when the braves trade him,and I think they will, he will become an allstar year after year.
June 28th, 20096:17 pm
Original Jon, who do you propose we go after. And who do you think we can afford to give up? Because I am telling you there ain’t much there. That’s the crunch ATL is in. They want a bat that is locked in like McLouth, but they really don’t have the bargaining chips to pull it off.
I was reading some Boston fans comments on Tommy during the game (twitter) and they were all tipping their caps lol, not blaming Penny or anything else, just giving it up for Tommy – as they should have been. They’re still aholes though.
June 28th, 20096:18 pm
Whether one would agree or disagree, Derek Lowe is going nowhere fast. I said it last night and I’ll say it again….
Who is pitching better? Who has the more attractive contract? Who is younger? Who can be sold high? His name isn’t Derek Lowe.
Hudson, Jurrjens, Lowe, Hanson and Kawakami is an outstanding rotation. Trading Javier Vasquez is a no brainer at this juncture.
So, the next best thing is to not pick up Huddy’s option. 12 Mil. right there.
Are folks really so blinded by Vazquez’s admittedly good performance this year? Thinking that, after 10+ years of middling performance with ace tools, he suddenly has seen the light and will now and forever be rid of the maddening ability to be mediocre?
The thought that some here would kiss off a healthy Hudson (the pitcher who has consistently shown he can be a front-line pitcher) for a Vazquez (the pitcher who has consistently shown that he can’t perform to his talent) is truly befuddling. They make the same amount of money in 2010, have the same length of contract, are about the same age. There is no sane reason to keep Vazquez and dump a Hudson, if it comes to either-or.
June 28th, 20096:19 pm
June 28th, 2009
7. diaz (rf)
That just happened a couple of nights ago (once). The only difference was Francouer was in RF. Scored a few runs also. We won.
Guess who’s starting for Myrtle Beach today…Brandon Beachy. I can’t believe I’ve never heard of him. That’s unacceptable! I mean, it’s understandable for rookie-ballers, but not pitchers in A+ ball!! Gee wiz, I’m a failure. But you know who’s not a failure? Jordan Schafer. 2 hits today. (We won’t mention the 2 strikeouts…)
June 28th, 20096:21 pm
DOB, haven’t been on here yet today, so excuse the redundancy if it’s already been asked: any word on Kawakami? Is he slated to return soon?
Very non scientific survey: After today’s what I considered a must win game the negative comments are running 3:1. Man if we had lost it would have been a nightmare. We have a ton of room for improvement but today was a win against arguably the best team in baseball.
June 28th, 20096:22 pm
How can anyone be optimistic about playing with this team? They’ve had almost a 1/2 season to get it going and they’ve yet to show signs of life, at least offensively and defensively. They have a manager who is not open to being aggressive on the basepaths. He admitted on radio to being the type of manager who waits for the 3-run homer. Where are we gonna get a 3-run homer? We don’t have anyone in the lineup now who will have 25 homers by the end of the season. We keep trying to move runners over, but it seems that most of the hitters as well as the pitchers don’t have a clue on how to accomplish this feat. Then you have the great Terry Pendleton. It is alluded to almost on a daily basis that he is working hard with all our slumping players, but nothing good is coming out of these sessions. I think it’s absolutely incredible that since Pendleton has been the hitting coach, not once have I heard one player publicly say that Pendleton has help anyone work out of a slump. Not once! I can’t ever remember that happening with any Braves team before Pendleton came along. I know that Don Baylor helped a lot of players, most notably Gallaraga. Oh, for those good ole days when coaches actually did a good job.
He said that he would ask Caty to wash them before Tuesday.
What, JF does not know how to use a washing machine, Jesus.
I wonder how many times in their friendship Hanson has said to Medlen, “calm down dude.”
Cheslor Cuthbert, a 3B prospect out of Nicaragua, agreed to a deal with the Royals. I’m kinda disappointed since that’s the only international player I’ve seen the Braves linked to. We could use a few more position prospects, even if they are 16
June 28th, 20096:24 pm
KK is skipping his Tuesday start – rescheduled for Friday.
ncscoots, your 6:18 is brilliant.
That is looking at the big picture and not just one season. Well said my friend!
ncscoots, I will disagree. Javy has always been a good pitcher. He has been on some pretty bad teams. Worse than this one. I will give you that he is not an A.L. pitcher. but look at his numbers in his N.L. career. And, yes I also think the light bulb just turned on. He is not as old as he appears. He’s like 32. He just learned how to pitch. It happens alot in baseball with both hitters and pitchers. And besides, has Huddy had more than one injury free season in ATL. I am not saying that he is Mike Hampton. That’s part of the reason OAK traded him. Don’t take this as I don’t like Huddy. I do. I would rather have him than Lowe, But I also would rather have Javy in my rotation.
June 28th, 20096:25 pm
Thats sort of sad about Billie Mays. You have to respect a hustler. And he was world class hustler.
June 28th, 20096:26 pm
What, JF does not know how to use a washing machine
What? You surprised?
June 28th, 20096:27 pm
ray k, Kawakami is scheduled to make his next start. no problems here!
June 28th, 20096:29 pm
scoots, I agree we don’t give up on Hudson but I don’t want to give up on Javy either. If any way possible I would prefer to trade Lowe or KK.
June 28th, 20096:30 pm
HERE IS FACT IF THE BRAVES DO NOT GET UP TO PLAY THE WORLD CHAMPIONS PHILLIES THESE NEXT 3 GAMES AND WIN 2OF 3 THEY SHOULD TURN IN THERE UNIFORMS PERIOD.
June 28th, 20096:31 pm
I don’t care if he knowshow to use a washing machine, I wish he knew how to use a bat.
who’s gonna sell oxiclean to francoeur for his turdey drawers?
What do you guys think: The Braves trade Francoeur and Johnson for a legitimate RH Power hitter to be the clean-up hitter, to split Jones and McCann. Any suggestions?
4- An upgrade at right field (RH)
It’s interesting that the success of Tommy Hanson has silenced the Whining of Tom Glavine from the sports pages and blogs. It’s also interesting that TG didn’t pursue any other teams this year. Maybe TG finally stuck the fork in himself and realized he was done.
They make the same amount of money in 2010, have the same length of contract, are about the same age. There is no sane reason to keep Vazquez and dump a Hudson, if it comes to either-or.
It shouldn’t come to either or. Neither should be here. I agree with you that Vazquez shouldn’t be counted o to keep this up. That’s why I say he should be traded now so that we can get maximum return. And Hudson’s option should not be picked up for next year unless our entire, or practically entire, offensive and defensive team is retooled to make it viable to have a pitcher like Hudson be with us next year. But I am totally against spending money on pitchers that cannot win because we don’t have the necessary pieces playing behind them offensively and defensively.
June 28th, 20096:33 pm
I know, I was just responding to Coach ( Moon pie or whatever ). However, I want to keep Huddy. He has a new elbow and is a Georgia guy.
June 28th, 20096:34 pm
IHOPE BOBBY COX ENJOYS THIS SEASON ITS HIS LAST AS MANAGER.
June 28th, 20096:35 pm
willieg = a used douchebag
WHAT IS IT
June 28th, 20096:37 pm
One thing no one has mentioned in the Hudson/Vazquez situation-Both are available for 2010, but what about after that? I’m thinking that Javy could be signed for say three years at a significantly lower contract price than Hudson.
Let us not also mention that we have no idea how Hudson will come back. He’s supposedly coming back at a year from the surgery when we all have known for years that starting pitchers take a full 18 months to get back to a semblance of normal-Gonzo says he’s just NOW getting back to normal and he’s a reliever-we saw the rocky appearances HE went through last year and early in 09. Why should Hudson be any different? He hasn’t even had any of the normal setbacks like torn scar tissue. He’s an unknown quantity and we can’t rely on past performance.
We know exactly what Vazquez is giving us. Do you take the chance and give Hudson the $12 mil or buy him out for a mil and get a power hitting outfielder? That way would be like trading Hudson for what we need. I say that’s the way to go. Use him in the pen the rest of this year, decline his 2010 option and get some hitting signed.
CB, jason, Vazquez is the beautiful girl who can’t put together a complete sentence without a couple of “ya know?”s wrapped around the bubblegum-chewing. In short (this is for you, Frank, LOL), she’ll break your heart after p***ing you off so bad that you can’t see straight.
Hudson, on the other hand, is the girl you take home to mama.
June 28th, 20096:38 pm
Think about it, we have the pitching yet we are a consistent right handed power hitter away from quite possibly being in first place right now.
ncscoots, Vasquez has pitched with Montreal and the ChiSux. Those middling numbers you were talking about were his early years with the Expos, and pitching in a bandbox in Chicago. Pitching in a pitcher’s park like The Ted is the perfect place for him. If you don’t think the park makes a difference, just look at Peavy’s numbers outside of PetCo.
That being said, I don’t think it comes down to Vasquez or Hudson, I think it comes down to Hudson or a big bat. If I had my druthers Lowe would be the odd man out and the rotation would be Hudson, JJ, Vasquez, Hanson, KK. Lowe is a good pitcher (not an ace in my book, but good) but he’s old and expensive. Hudson is a poor man’s Maddux. He’s a true ace and should be a fixture in Atlanta for a long time.
Jason, as much as I hate to trade this person, he makes the most sense right now because if his contract was moved, we would have enough room in the payroll for a big bat. I love the way he has played, he has been stellar, and all the more reason to sell high on him, but, I would reluctantly trade Vazquez and a prospect for a bat. Then if Huddy comes back strong, we have a rotation of Lowe, Huddy, Hanson, Jurrjens and Kawakami next year. Along with the offensive upgrade.
What is turkey underwhere?
June 28th, 20096:39 pm
I meant under wear
I’m with you, scoots.
I don’t trust Vazquez.
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