2:57 pm June 26, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 26th, 20095:48 pm
Very soon, the Braves will deal with Milwaukee Brewers. Going to Milwaukee will be Javier Vasquez and Jeff Franceour. Returning to Atlanta will be Corey Hart and a prospect.
Salamander, yeah I hope that defense does get better, but his past history before this year he has been good. Odds are pretty good you and I will have forgotten this question by then.lol
June 26th, 20095:49 pm
chrisfrommd-I’m not certain that anyone can answer when Infante will be back, or Carlyle, either. It’s the second time Infante has had that hand broken and last time it took a couple full months (broken in winter ball and he came back the beginning of May) before he was ready. I wouldn’t imagine he’ll be back much before August.
Carlyle has to get his treatment regimen under control-a difficult proposition for anyone with diabetes, but likely much harder for anyone who works out or exerts themselves strenuously on a frequent basis (exercise effects blood sugar readings). I don’t think you can put a specific time to it.
Whats the line on the braves scoring less than 2 runs tonite? lol
Nova Scotia Steve
Can you believe we are STILL only 4 games out of first place…Its truly amazing…we’re not 8 or 9 games back
June 26th, 20095:50 pm
I’d give you 3-2 odds on that. Is that just giving my money away? LOL
June 26th, 20095:52 pm
STEVE FROM OHIO,
You statement wasn’t very bright. WHEN USED EFFECTIVELY, implementing a hit & run, double steal, bunting with no outs & a runner on 1st, etc….. can help a team that’s struggling to score runs. What they’re doing obviously isn’t working. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Since your a genius, what do you suggest we do to improve our terrible offensive statistics?
I wonder why Bobby decided to start McCann last night against Pettite. With a dominant Beckett going tonight, I would much rather have McCann in the lineup. Plus BMac had just come off a 3 K game, and you throw in the righty/lefty matchups it seems like it would have been much better to give Ross the start last night.
Ross is 4-12 against Pettite w/a double and triple opposed to Mac’s 1-5.
June 26th, 20095:53 pm
Corey Hart’s numbers: .251 9HR 32RBI
the real truth sucks, i don’t like the real truth. i guess sometimes it’s best to just not know.
HOw do we realistically entertain any thoughts of staying in contention in the NL East with 1/3 of a ML outfield? Think about that one~!
2 runs? 2 runs?
You are being far to kind.
I should think not!
Javy Vazquez (the way he’s pitched) will net a WHOLE LOT more than the scrub that is Corey Hart.
How about you send us Prince Fielder and we’ll throw in a real good glove man Kotchman in on our end.
June 26th, 20095:54 pm
Nova Scotia Steve, I do a double take every time I see the braves are only that many back. All they need is to string together a winning streak and need to relax out there and quit trying so hard. Whatever happens, happens.
June 26th, 20095:55 pm
Gentlemen, I realize that in the Braves current situation you are up in arms, but calm down. Help is on the way.
No thanks, We already have our own version of Hart…FRANCINE
June 26th, 20095:56 pm
HOw do we realistically entertain any thoughts of staying in contention in the NL East with 1/3 of a ML outfield? Think about that one~!
Well if we combine Jeff’s defense with Loaf’s offense we might have a singles hitter with a strong arm.
Oops! I’m sorry, wrong blog.
June 26th, 20095:57 pm
NIcely done, Lamar! lol!
Is Lowe a better pitcher than his recent flub? Of course he is. That said I’m not one to compare past histories of players and say, “well he had bad stretches in the past and came back that means he’ll do it again.” Not so fast. At some point players don’t come back like they used to. But Rob from SC has been saying what I’ve been saying on here for a couple of weeks now that we need to move LOwe if someone would take him (if we fall further behind in a couple of weeks). If we can get a bonafide prospect or two and dump his contract, free up that money to sign Gonzo or Soriano and excercise Hudson’s option. Rotation of Hudson, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, KK. with Medlen stepping in if someone goes down. Some team in the race at the deadline with deep pockets might figure they can win it all this year if they add Lowe. He has performed well in past post season games.(for people who place weight on past experience). What does that say though if at the deadline no one is interested in our “ace?”
Steve from OH
I ain’t a genius, but I’m smart enough to realize that bunting a runner from first to second decreases your run expectation. So does stealing bases at less than an approx. 75% success rate. They’re tactics to be used when you need one and only one run. When a team is having difficulty scoring runs why would a manager implement tactics that statistically decrease the overall number of runs you’ll likely score? I ain’t got no problem with using it in very specific situations, but you don’t base an offense off of it. Thank God Cox doesn’t. Like the old saying goes, when you play for one run, that’s all you’ll generally get.
There are some things to get down on Cox for, but not bunting and not stealing ain’t it. Try again.
Most of the people on the blog knows who Steve from OH is, could you show us your resume,Barrington?
June 26th, 20095:58 pm
I’m taking the Braves tonight…4-2. What do you guys think?
Escobar out of lineup, Bobby insisted it’s all about his hip flexor and nothing more. I asked, and so did someone else. Nothing to do with last night’s gesture about the error call or anything else.
McCANN is out of lineup because of some “light-headedness” last night and/or today, which they think is just from heat and the long game, etc. Francoeur told me when Mac picked him up this morning to ride to the ballpark, Francoeur thought he was going to have to drive, Mac felt so bad. Could be a touch of a flu bug, too.
2. Prado, 2B
8. D. Hernandez, SS
Oh, and Kawakami did some light throwing today and felt good. Will throw a bullpen tomorrow and then they’ll decide whether he’ll make his next start.
June 26th, 20095:59 pm
Vazquez-for-Hart would be a very bad trade for us.
Really the Braves should be in a good situation as far as pitching when Tim Hudson comes back. That makes an arm available for a bat. Who would you say it’s going to be? Kenshin Kawakami? Javier Vazquez? Kris Medlen?
How in God’s name is it Bobby’s fault when guys swing at bad pitches?? It makes no sense. Why aren’t any of these players held accountable. A major league manager should not have to teach the game at this point. If you don’t get it by now, there probably isn’t much hope…
June 26th, 20096:01 pm
Barrington and Robert….you are two of the dumbest people on here and that is quite an accomplishment. Congrats.
Thanks for the info, Chief! That might explain a few things…
Sounds a little bit like something my brother had earlier this month–he’s allergic to grass pollen. Hope BMac feels better soon!
June 26th, 20096:03 pm
Maybe it’s hyperbole, but I really feel like, with that lineup, we’ve just conceded this game. I mean, Kelly’s out, but Diory is in….not exactly an improvement there. Matt Diaz, Brian McCann, and Yunel Escobar are three of the 4 guys on this roster (the other being Chipper, of course) who can actually catch up with Beckett’s fastball. None of the three are in tonight’s lineup.
June 26th, 20096:04 pm
Hey! Reload, you dumb page…
Tom O – really you?
June 26th, 20096:05 pm
Hey, just out of curiosity + the fact the my sister is a big Johnson fan–how come Prado’s in there again?
Trading Vazquez probably gets the higest return
Trading Medlen probably means management thinks we are still in it
Trading Kawakami is the best move but probably won’t be done b/c it may upset the asian market.
My vote is for KK. Has the least upside and I’m not fond of the contract.
This could be a no-hitter. Worst lineup ive seen any ball team put on the field.
June 26th, 20096:07 pm
Unknown, you could be right. When your cleanup hitter is a guaranteed out, you don’t stand a chance.
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June 26th, 20096:08 pm
I’m optimistic about tonight…what’s wrong with me lately?
Yikes. And after such an impressive lineup last night. Oh well, you never know…
THEREALTRUTH I hope Hart doesn’t come to Atlanta, he isn’t that kind of bat we need.
Unknown, that probably means we will win.
OK dude. You win. The Braves are just a “big bat” away from winning the WS. The pitching the Braves need to get that big bat won’t come back to bite them, and the acquisition of that big bat will improve this team’s over-all defense which has committed the 5th-most errors in the NL too. Yep. You’ve got it all figured out.
Somebody steal Frank Wren’s email’s like they did with Mark Sanford. We’ll find out what the Braves are up to for real.
June 26th, 20096:09 pm
Hey Mac, yeah it’s me, it’s me but not Ernest T.
Mcfann…KJ has been hitting the ball hard but having some bad luck..still early in the season..he will come around…a couple days of rest will do him good
Does anyone think Atlanta will end up dealing with the Boyals seeing how Dayton Moore is intrigued by those he helped develop?
June 26th, 20096:10 pm
I think KJ and Matt Diaz could get us Mark Teahen from KC. Teahen would be a solid option for us at 2B and 3B when Chipper needs a rest.
He’s batting .285 with a .787 OPS, 8 HRs, and 26 RBIs in 70 games this year. He has 53 Ks but that shouldn’t be that much of problem and we’d fix what is currently the weakest spot in our lineup.
What do you guys think?
Heath (Cleveland) They won’t win the WS but with a big bat, they’ll have a legit shot at winning the division. Their pitching is usually good to great but their offense doesn’t put up enough runs to get the wins.
June 26th, 20096:11 pm
I heard Frank Wren is fielding calls for Chipper Jones. I’ll bet he ends up in Boston.
June 26th, 20096:12 pm
Also, Teahen is only 27 and would be under control until 2011.
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
A few things need pointing out since everybody keeps bleating about the four games separating us from the Phillies.
No team has won the N.L. East in the past sixteen years with anything less than 88 wins. Our Braves are currently seventh in the wild card standings. 90 Games are left. In order to win 89 games (55 of 90) we have to play .600 ball. Our Braves haven’t played that kind of quality of baseball since 2004.
The Royals have said they would deal those players who aren’t their core. Teahen isn’t their core, but they want prospects in return. While I would love for the Braves to dump KJ and Matt Diaz, I don’t think they get jack squat for them.
June 26th, 20096:13 pm
I think Hart would be good but not for Vazquez
June 26th, 20096:14 pm
So basically what your saying DOB is with that line-up we’re royally screwed tonight against Beckette.
A couple of our biggest offensive threats out of the line-up…YIKES
No-one else is fond of KK’s contract either, thus the problem with trading him. Unless you toss in a high-ceiling prospect that, in effect, lessens the financial impact (stay with me here…some mindset of spreading KK’s contract over two players, including a good prospect, rather than the bloated bundle of cash we are paying KK now. Hey, it would be a decent pitch to the fan-base who otherwise might view KK in the same light as we do.) you simply aren’t going to move him for any kind of impact player. Probably wouldn’t get many bites aside from the usual Yankee/BoSox/etc “take that off your hands for you” deal.
The other issue with all this trade discussion of getting a big bat, just who do you really think the Braves are going to give up? We’ve already seen the hesitation, and rightly so, the Braves have for trading their very best young talent like Hanson, Heyward, etc… If we give up starting pitching, we will further reduce a “strength” of the team to gain only minor increases offensively.
June 26th, 20096:15 pm
OK…I’ll let you be the one to tell my sister. JK…
Why am I considered dumb because I think that Bobby Cox should no longer be the manager? There are plenty of intelligent people who feel the same as I. Bobby Cox is not maximizing the talent on this team and that is a manAger’s first and primary duty. For those of you (IDIOTS) who feel Cox should manage until he’s ready to step down, you’re still living in the past. What once was no longer is and it’s time to move on.
BOBBY COX IS LIKE A CAR THAT’S PAST IT’S TIME. YOU KEEP ADDING NEW PARTS BUT THE CAR KEEPS BREAKING DOWN. SAD.
I think you could get a lot more quality in return for Vazquez. I may be wrong, but the dude is second in the NL in strikeouts. The Dodgers need pitching. Do they have an outfielder they would move when Manny Ramirez returns? And don’t even bring up the little strikeout king in leftfield.
June 26th, 20096:16 pm
Hey Mac, I think our “Honey” is driving home. I should be back soon. However, if I get delayed, would you tell her I said hello?
Tom O’ Hawke–
Cann I copy that into my computer’s translator, or did you make it all up?
June 26th, 20096:17 pm
I’m here No work today…
OK, what about Matt Kemp? Or is it Jeff Kemp? Or Jack Kemp?!!!
June 26th, 20096:18 pm
C’mon, let’s break this lineup down…Optimism, Optimism….
1-4, we have our hottest hitters. Still no cleanup hitter, but do we have one anyway? Might as well put one of our hottest hitters there. Go get ‘em GA!
McLouth has been good for us. Martin has hit safely in 5 of 6 and has raised his avg 50 points this month. Chipper is Chipper. He slapped an oppo filed base hit yesterday. Good signs when Chip does that….
5-9. Kotch hitting 5th could be the only negative here. But he’s got 2 hitters protecting him. Frenchy’s been hitting better as of late(raising his trade value right?), and Ross should be an upgrade over a struggling McCann. Diory had a good AB last night against a hard throwing HOF, and gets to face another hard thrower tonight. Jair may be our best hitting pitcher.
I’m out. Enjoy the game tonight. Hold your beer cups high and proud. After all, they’re half full….Go braves…
wow- i just realized I assumed Tom’s comment was directed at me…that was a little presumptuous, wasn’t it? :\
June 26th, 20096:19 pm
McFann =Ô=, I jnew something was going on. I have tried to work with the flu, Tough. Think about all that catching gear in that heat. Dehydration, Will make you lightheaded.
Maybe Cox should bat Jair cleanup!
June 26th, 20096:20 pm
If Atlanta traded for Corey, at least THEN they would have some HART!
June 26th, 20096:21 pm
Are you guys saying then that IF Atlanta deals a pitcher that it will likely be Javier Vazquez?
June 26th, 20096:22 pm
Trading for Hart would be like putting a band-aid on a bullet hole. Hart, apart from a nice 2007 campaign has been average-at-best and his career numbers, especially his AVG/OBP, aren’t exactly thrilling. Never mind that he’s a below-average defender according to UZR and the Fielding Bible has him at 18 runs saved below Francoeur over the last three years. And trading Vazquez for him would be particularly stupid. Hart has been worth 1.3 WAR since the beginning of 2008. Vazquez has been worth 3.2 WAR just THIS SEASON. That trade would make us much worse. Heck, add Jeff’s negative value to his WAR and you’re still well short of what Javy brings to the table.
cabravesfan—You did, it was, it was, it’s OK.
chris from md
Any possibility that Diory gets sent down and Burke gets called up soon? I had hopes that he would hit as he did at Gwinnett but he doesn’t seem to be major league ready.
Chris from MD
June 26th, 20096:23 pm
I’ll trade you one Diory Hernandez for Greg Norton. What you already have one.
Damn it. hate it when that happens.
June 26th, 20096:24 pm
glad to “see” you! You’ve been missed (at least by me )
Steve from OH, I hope Frank Wren starts reading the publications that you referred to. Maybe then he’ll no better than to deal your whole minor league system for a rent-a-player.
They might have some real Hart, but not a brain in their heads if they went for that trade.
June 26th, 20096:26 pm
Is minor league pitching that bad or is major league pitching that good? Diory Hernandez was tearing the cover off the ball at Gwinnett. He hasn’t hit his uniform number up in the bigs.
Am I the only one who thinks it’s cute that Mac picks up Frenchy for the ride to the game?
I just have this image of the two of them cruisin’ down 75, windows down, both singing along to the radio at the top of their lungs.
I think carpooling should be mandatory to boost team camaraderie, and combat global warning.
Eh, Frank’s got access to way more info than we do. And he actually knows the Braves’ internal situation, so he’s got that going for him, too. He knows what he’s doing.
June 26th, 20096:27 pm
OK, fellows! We are about thirty minutes away from another excruciating night of Chip Caray at the microphone. I could slash my wrists with a butter knife listening to him!
June 26th, 20096:29 pm
And when exactly has Wren traded the minor-league system for a “rent-a-player?”
A conversation between Frenchy and MAC riding down the road:
MAC: You didn’t stink quite as bad las night. You actually hit the ball.
Frenchy: Thank, man. It’s the voices in my head. They’re saying, “Swing! Don’t Swing! Swing! Don’t Swing!”
MAC: Dude, how do you know which one to listen to?
Frenchy: I just close my eyes and whale away!
MAC: You’re pretty messed up!
That’s the picture in my mind.
June 26th, 20096:31 pm
I was just watching Seinfeld on Peachtree TV. They had a commercial for the Braves and Red Sox game, calling it a “once in a lifetime” experience.
I guess by once in a lifetime they mean 6 times year.
Remember the Mark Texiera trade? You scared me. I thought you had forgotten for a minute.
I missed you too, my dear. I got back a little while ago, and only scrolled back the last couple of hours. Do we have any players left? I’ve seen a lot of proposed trades. It used to be just our worst players (which encompasses most of the team), but now I see bloggers trying to trade off our good guys too. Did we become sellers, since I’ve been away?
June 26th, 20096:32 pm
Lemme go ahead and get this outta the way.
Once in a lifetime refers to how many times an Atlanta player will experience a win against Boston.
Wayne in Utah
June 26th, 20096:33 pm
I really like the idea of getting a Mark Teahan from KC, but I think it would take prospects instead of current players. They really don’t need a second baseman and part-time OF’er.
Think about the timeframe you’re referring to, Rick. Think real hard…
Vazquez has been one of our best pitchers, why are their bloggers wanting to send him to Milwaukee for an average corner outfielder(at best, in my opinion). Are Mat Gamel and Alcides Escobar coming back in that trade too?
June 26th, 20096:34 pm
Hey, did my buddy, “Easy Ed” (Bear) get my requested “hello’s” in the other night. There’s no way I’m going back all those pages. I hope so, I was driving him nuts with all the names.
There’s really no need to take it to that level. I already apologized for the sarcasm in my post, and asked if you saw my point. Obviously you didn’t, though how you could’ve missed it is beyond me.
My point was, and is: Finishing third in the league in pitching and hitting means you’ve got a competitive team that is in the pennant race. When you have a shut-down bullpen on top of that, it often means you make the playoffs. Once you’re in the playoffs, as we’ve seen over that last few years, it doesn’t matter if you won 85 games (Cards) or 105 (Red Sox), you’ve got a shot.
If you still don’t get it, man, I don’t know what to tell you.
My post didn’t insinuate IN ANY WAY that if the Braves got a big bat they’d be in a position to win the World Series. It said in plain language what you’ve forced me to repeat here: That with a big bat, the Braves will be able to hit better.
rob from SC (Yunel Escobar's Muscle)
June 26th, 20096:35 pm
Wayne in Utah
Then don’t ask for a lot back from Lowe, just unload his contract
Efrim, I think I heard that those are two that Milwaukee wouldn’t part with. MLBTRADERUMORS.COM.
oooooh you’re bating him right? He’ll go “umm, Mark Teixeira, STEWPID!”
Tom – I have missed you too – thanks for sending Bear with greetings.
June 26th, 20096:36 pm
aww, waaaay too late on that
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