I think it is more of his approach than anything. Just my thoughts on JF’s improvement. Just keep him from swinging out of the strike zone, and improvement is bound to happen.
I would like to see a tad more power from the boy though.
DOB – Always Sunny marathon on last night on FX. I was supposed to go to bed, but ended up watching the gang’s antics until about 2 a.m. Ain’t nothin wrong with that.
Vetran, battle-tested pitcher are able to pitch through rough patches. Teams don’t sign players for four years only to trade them after a few bad starts. Lowe will not be traded or skipped, and he’ll be fine. All you would-be managers who want to see Cox go have no viable solutions for the team problems other than trading everyone, rushing prospects, and eating the contract of any pitcher who isn’t undefeated. Also, who do the Cox haters have in mind for a replacement? Almost no names have been brought up in that debate. Some of you have to learn that MLB is not a video game in real life.
I hope Yunel gets to make the all-star team. His numbers stack up with any SS in the NL and that includes Hanley Ramirez.lamar1banks2
Seldom on this blog are statements this inaccurate made. I admit I am a Hanley Ramirez fan but Hanley leads Yunnel in EVERY SINGLE STATISTIC except strikeouts. If the Braves ever trade Yunnel and don’t make every effort to obtain Hanley Ramirez, it will be a mistake.
Thanks for the updates. But I was hoping for some dates. I had heard about Campillo but didn’t know if that was true or not. Is Infante coming back at the end of July, mid-August, or what? Losing him turned out to be even bigger than we could have ever imagined.
CB As unpopular as it would be around ATL, I would tear up Chipper’s contract. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I think the guy might have hit a wall this year. (age, skill level, etc) IMO
Could Robert’s last name be Barrington?
Thanks Chop for setting it straight. To the Cox haters…again I ask, who is out there that would be better? Robert speculates that anyone would be better, but he has no factual evidence, as no one yet can tell the future, well except for that lady down the street with the large hand sign in her yard.
The only really good team batting stance that the Braves have is .ba with runners in scoring position: 3rd in the NL at .273. But, that does not translate well with their power numbers again… only 7th in the NL with runners in scoring position in SLG with .410
C’mon, Robert. Your contention that other teams/organziations praise Bobby just so the Braves keep him around is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life. I believe there are a handful sound arguments for wanting to see a change at the manager position. It just happens that you never include one of them in any your posts.
I think the reason why most of us see adding a “big bat” as something that could potentially improve the Braves all the way from below-average to the level of the Dodgers, is that it would put everyone else in the batting order into their proper place. I also think that we’d score about .5 – .75 more runs per game, which would take a little pressure off our pitchers to be SO PERFECT on every single pitch. So, if our pitching improved a little, and our offense improved a little more, we could finish the year perhaps 3rd in pitching and 7th or 8th in hitting. That’s potentially a playoff team, that can beat you with their bats one night and their arms the next.
I’m personally on the fence. It seemed the “big bat” was all we needed to push us over the edge and into the playoffs in 2007, and so we traded for Tex, and he was AMAZING. Drove in 56 runs in only 54 games with us after the deadline, with sick D and lots of homers and a .300 avg, etc. But, we sucked and didn’t make it anyway. So I’m hesitant to go through that again, when we could be sellers and get some prospects so that when Heyward and Freeman and Schafer are all really ready, throw in the guys we get at this year’s deadline, and you’ve got a kickass team.
My guess is that Wren is on the fence too, and is waiting to see how we do between now and mid-July. If the last 2 series between Boston and the Yankees were any indication, we’ll be sellers again, like last year.
June 26th, 2009
3:10 pm
“34-38. 90 games of the season to go, but that isn’t the number that should concern you bloggers. 31 is. That is the number of games until the trading deadline. i bet Franklin Wren will listen to what I have been sayin:
TRADE SORIANO
TRADE GONZO
TRADE VASQUEZ
Get back prospects that can help in 2010 and beyond.”
My Friend, IF you trade a bunch of players away for prospects that MIGHT help in few years….THE YOUNG GUYS WHO ARE HERE NOW (McCann, Escobar, JJJ, KK, Frenchy, McClouth, etc) WILL BE EITHER GONE OR GETTING PAST THEIR PRIME BY THE TIME THOSE GUYS CAN HELP
A couple of other things mr so called “truth”
You don’t extend Chipper, sign Lowe, sign KK, trade for Vazquez and McClouth just to have a fire sale and build for the future….we need to build for NOW and the future
Brian McCann should make it to the ALL star game as well.
3B…Chipper could be a late pick, nobody other than Wright is a lock at 3B right now.
Until 3 starts ago, I think D-Lowe could have been an ALL star pitcher. If somehow Jair gets on a roll and is able to beat Boston tonight, maybe he gets in based on how solid he’s been with the ERA.
Soriano has an outside shot.
That’s about it for your 2009 ALL star Braves update.
Sure thing: B-Mac and Yunel
Possible: Soriano, Chipper, Jair
The “worst manager ever” can’t execute a double switch, always brings in the worst reliever in every pressure situation, always lets his starter go too long or not long enough
Dude – that sounds a lot like Bobby Cox. Remember that game last month when he messed up the double switch and Moylan had to bat in a key situation?
I can accept things, but I cannot except anything. Thanks for revealing your age/intelligence. Now go down to the bah, have a beeh, and pretend you followed the sawks and are a intelligent fan.
This whole REDSOX nation garbage has to end at some point.
I mean the troll that is here today…yeah you nation fan…Where was this mythical “RedSox Nation” crap in the 90’s when you were the Yankee’s biatches in the AL East?
Nothing more I dislike than bandwagon jumping fans. I have no quirrel with any northerners who now reside in the ATL, who wanna go cheer on their beloved RedSox this weekend. It’s all the others, who have never even been to Boston that wanna be “redsoxs nation” that are a disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves. Sellouts. Fraking sellouts. That’s all I have to say about that.
The Braves were 3rd in the NL in ERA in 2007…AND 3rd in runs scored. If adding a “big bat” didn’t help the 3rd-best pitching staff in ‘07 and the 3rd best scoring NL team, I doubt it will help now in ‘09.
Thanks for posting that article. I think Mark Teahen or Alberto Collaspo would be welcome additions to our infield. I especially like Teahen because he could be our everyday 2B and give Chipper a rest at 3B when he needs one. Also, he’s not a “premier” player so it wouldn’t cost as much for us to make the deal with KC. That would fix our weakest spot in our lineup and for cheap.
RedSoxNation,
The Braves are an average team as they stand right now, imo. I don’t expect them to win all the time because no team wins every game. What I do expect is that they play up to their ability, which until recently, they haven’t. I expect them to come out every night and compete and not to give up before the game is over. I expect them to try to win every game even when they have no shot. I expect them to play with consistency and with the good fundamentals that every major league player should.
I get sick to my stomach when night after night I have no idea what to expect. Will we get the Braves that shut out the Yankees, or will we get the Braves that lost 12-0 against the D-Backs? It seems like we have an error or three every night this season. With the current lineup I don’t expect them to win the division or wild card, but I do expect them to try to do those things. I think that’s what most fans expect of this team as it stands. They are under-performing the majority of the time when realistically they should at least be able to play at the same level as the freaking Marlins and their AAA-type payroll.
Inconsistency is what gets people on these boards riled up and yelling about firing the manager and demoting players and making trades. If we’re consistently good or consistently bad at least we’d know which the Braves are and use that as a launching pad by which to build the team back into a winner.
I will be at the game tomorrow night to cheer on a real team!! Been a Sox fan since ‘04 when this incredible run started and it won’t end anytime soon. Call me what you want, but MY team will sweep that joke Braves team!! They are…. WICKED AWESOME!!
I predict braves to continue with their “good” offensive numbers and stretch their numbers of games scoring at least 4 runs……….even with Beckett on the mount. You´ll see.
Because you asked, but didn’t show your cards in return, I’m going to ask you the same question – which contract would you tear up given the power to do so?
On a better team, Lowe is not a #1; so expectations were too high for him. When Huddy’s fully back, Lowe goes to the #2 spot(but if Hanson continues to perform/develop he may become #3). The Braves are playing about as good as they can as currently constituted. The weak offense and continuing bullpen issues were predictable. The main surprise for me has been all the errors and mental mistakes-Bobby needs to start kicking butt on that issue. There are some things that can happen that will give the Braves a chance at finishing 500 or slightly better this year. Those are making Prado the starter at second. When Omar returns, Bobby needs to find a place for him–he was really an offensive spark b-4 he got hurt. The starting rotation will be great with the return of Hudson in August. Hopefully the hapless Wren can find someone to help us out with middle relief. Don’t give up on Frenchy–he seems to be finally figuring it out at the plate and that could be a key for the rest of this year and next.
If you recall the post I made was his numbers “stack up” to other NL SS.
Since you were so kind as to display the numbers and destort what I posted let me enlighten you
Stack Up=to stand in comparison with
not to be confused with
exceed=to go beyond or surpass
know boys and girls that that lesson has been we can continue with or lives
will be at the game tomorrow night to cheer on a real team!! Been a Sox fan since ‘04 when this incredible run started and it won’t end anytime soon. Call me what you want, but MY team will sweep that joke Braves team!! They are…. WICKED AWESOME!!
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WICKED TROLL, Get the hell off of our land. This is Braves territory!
chipper isn’t an all-star this year, him and yunel are going to continue to make errors as long as they refuse to move their feet and get in front of the ball
good is the enemy of great and in the case of the braves, below average is the enemy of solid….
if we keep the “give it time” debate going we are going to waste an opportunity…
case is….. if we use the assests we have to bring in some quality young “POWER” arms for 2010-2012 we will set ourselves up for another good run.
we have no speed, no power and no obp players… what we do have is a lineup full of #7 and #8 hitters…. (with the exception of mccann ofcourse) so what is our direction.
we are a $95 million dollar payroll team trying to take 1 or 2 high priced old g uys (chipper, lowe, vasquez) and win with…
at this payroll we should follow the lead of the marlins, rays, etc… and when we decide to cut bait with some (glavine, smoltz,etc..) cut bait with the others and bring back in quality players that we will have under control for several years…
we will not sustain success with this payroll restraint playing the game the way we used too… the only way to get back to the top is to restart and develop from within…
we have some great assests that contenders will sell the farm for in july..
lowe – has been big in the postseason
vasquez – power arm would be a great #3 for a series contending team
soriano- would bring back a kings ransom right now
chipper – would get us 2-3 players in return to go and dh for 3 more years for an al team (his loss of interest in this team is showing in his lackadasical infield play)
yunel – some team will pay heavy for him and think they can fix him
time to cut bait and start another run and bring some enthusiasm back to the ted….
we have 0 right now..
the hope of the braves nation rests in your hands mr hanson
June 26th, 2009 5:29 pm
yes, we are only 4 games out……now. what do you think will happen while we play below average ball? when the mets and phils get healthier do you honestly believe they will play sub .500 ball and keep us in the race? please tell me you all are joking…..
by the end of july we will be close to 8, 9 or 10 games out by the deadline playing .500 ball from here on out. just wait until the phils heat up and start winning some games at home…. the only thing we can pray for is a wild card. that wont be easy either. .500 ball isnt going to cut it. we have to start winning series’….like every series. this team is in a lot of trouble.
and yes, if you are out of it by the deadline you sell and build for the future.
Some of you don’t seem to pay much attention to how the game is actually run. Doubt Soriano is gonna be an A or even B free agent since it is based on two years and his 2008 was practically non-existent. But whatever works for you.No stupider than 80% of what is posted on here daily.
Salamander,questioner not required to answer his own question, right? As much as I like him, the answer would be Lowe. I don’t think we will lose a lot on the contract, but I do think we will lose.
If you recall the post I made was his numbers “stack up” to other NL SS.
Since you were so kind as to display the numbers and destort what I posted let me enlighten you
Stack Up=to stand in comparison with lamar1banks2
Gee, thanks lamar1banks2. Next time I see you make a statement “that his stats stack up to” someone elses, I’ll know you meant they were about 80% of the other guys.
When is Bobby Cox going to be held accountable for how bad some of our players stink? Yes Bennett sucks but who is the guy sending him out there again and again with the game on the line? BOBBY COX!!
Why is Kelly Johnson still getting a chance to prove he belongs at second when he continues to fail every game? BOBBY COX!!
Im tired of the bloggers only pointing out this crap. When is someone going to sit down and just ask the old man point blank…. why are you doing these stupid things over and over?
1. He has to learn to stop waitng on the 3-run homer with this team. We have no power, none. Where’s the hit and run, bunt when a runner is on 1st and no one out, stealing, hustle, etc….
2. If Bobby Cox is so great, why are his teams failing fundamentally? Why do batters consistently swing at bad pitches to bailout bad pitchers? Why can’ t the Braves manufacture runs? Why don’t the Braves score when they have a runner at 2nd and no outs?
3. Bobby Cox has grown stale and so are his opinions.
4. BOBBY COX IS LIKE THE PHILOSOPHY OF TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS. STALE AND INEFFECTIVE!
I don’t think Lowe’s contract is all that bad. I don’t like the last yr of the deal when he’ll be 40. But that was the going rate. Many teams laughed at the Royal’s for Gil Meche and now some of those same teams want to trade for him.
I totally agree with you NO MORE BOBBY but you also have to think just maybe Prado is not starting for a reason. Would his numbers translate as well to a full-time role? Although i think, a benching of Johnson is more than way overdue for an extended period of time.
yeah dude, history will bear you out as a total moron. Cox will be first ballot HOF and over the years that 14 season streak will assume bigger and bigger status. and you my friend won’t even be noticed. Have a nice day
1. N McLouth, CF .
2. M Prado, 2B
3. C Jones, 3B
4. G Anderson, LF
5. C Kotchman, 1B
6. J Francoeur, RF
7. D Ross, C
8. D Hernandez, SS
9. J Jurrjens, P
IS that the best we can do? Why is Ross so far down?
How many people went to Celtics games before last year when they traded for Garnett? How many people went to the Bruins games last season and even this season? Hell when the Bruins played the Habs in the playoffs last year half the people in the garden were cheering for the Habs. It wasn’t until the series went to game 7 that people in Boston got excited. The Thrashers made the playoffs in 2007 their games at Philips Arena sold out in about 30 minutes. The Patriots were about to move from the Boston area to Connecticut and they never sold out their games always blacked out until Tom Brady came along. There were about 20,000 people in the stands in 1986 when Roger Clemens struck out 20. So don’t go saying crap about Atlanta being a bandwagon town when this town hasn’t won but 1 championship in over 40 years of having pro sports. If Boston went through that stretch they wouldn’t be any different than Atlanta. Because that sell out streak in Boston in that tiny ballpark started this decade when the Sox became one of the best teams in all of baseball.
It looks as if we ‘re the only sane ones left on this blog. It’s obvious he’s the problem. Anyone who know’s basball can see it. The ones who won’t admit Cox is the problem are those that are afraid or just respect him so much that they wouldn’t bad mouth him in public.
THE REASON DAVE OBRIEN NEVER TALKS ABOUT BOBBY’S JOB SECURITY IS BECAUSE FRANK WREN WANTS TO FIRE HIM BUT CAN’T!
Thanks for the link. Too bad about Hernadez in there for Yunel. Diory can’t hit and has a weaker arm.
BTW…kind of weird to see Nate McClouth with 3 HR next to his lineup spot. I thought when a player is traded within their league, as in NL, they combined their stats.
going back to Wednesday’s game…I thought about it at the time, and see a couple of folks have brought it back up:
Girardi: (running out to first): MAN, I REALLY THINK YOU MISSED THAT CALL!!
Ump: do you really now??
Girardi: YES, ALTHOUGH FROM MY SPOT IN THE DUGOUT, I’M NOT REALLY SURE!!
Ump: Well, yes, I probably did have a better angle that you…
Girardi: OK!!! SINCE I’M OUT HERE, HOW ARE THE WIFE AND KIDS????
Ump: They’re all okay..thanks for asking..
Girardi: OKAY THEN, I’VE BEEN OUT HERE LONG ENOUGH…GO AHEAD AND THROW ME OUT!!!!
Ump: Are you sure you’re ready to go?
Girardi: YEP!!! I SURE HOPE THIS HELPS!!!!
Ump: Okay, YOU’RE OUTTA HERE!!!!!
(if you watched the end of the conversation, this is really how it looked)…..
Oh, I don’t doubt that we will not see full value from Derek Lowe for the entire length of his contract, but Chipper’s defense this year has me worried… 3 more years of him at third base? yikes. I’m not sure the Braves will get enough value from Chipper for ANY year of his deal, let alone the last year.
1. He has to learn to stop waitng on the 3-run homer with this team. We have no power, none. Where’s the hit and run, bunt when a runner is on 1st and no one out, stealing, hustle, etc….
2. If Bobby Cox is so great, why are his teams failing fundamentally? Why do batters consistently swing at bad pitches to bailout bad pitchers? Why can’ t the Braves manufacture runs? Why don’t the Braves score when they have a runner at 2nd and no outs?
3. Bobby Cox has grown stale and so are his opinions.
4. BOBBY COX IS LIKE THE PHILOSOPHY OF TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS. STALE AND INEFFECTIVE
Good point. I guess we should just throw in the towel then, and forfeit all our games until we KNOW, FOR SURE, that the players on our roster will produce the #1 ranking in the league in both hitting and pitching. No point in putting together a team that’s merely going to be third in the league in both categories, since that didn’t equate to a World Series title in 2007.
Sorry. That was unnecessarily sarcastic. But you do see my point, right?
BTW, wasn’t Bob Wickman the closer and Tyler Yates the setup man on that team? Methinks Gonzo and Soriano wouldn’t mind playing on a Braves team that was third in the N.L. both offensively and defensively…and you and I wouldn’t mind watching such a team.
Where’s the hit and run, bunt when a runner is on 1st and no one out, stealing, hustle, etc…
Well, seeing as those things (excepting for hustle, of course) generally cost teams net runs over the long haul, they’re right where they’re supposed to be. Not being used.
So if Yunel’s numbers don’t “stack up” why would he be considered for the all-star game and why didn’t u use your insidious logic with the other NL SS. No you chose to only post Hanley Ramirez’s numbers to try to validate your point. The post was about all NL ss.
Oh what’s that you couldn’t
thought so.
If your going to be wrong, at least quit while you are ahead a save face.
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Heath (Cleveland)
June 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
oops…another typo….13th highest Ks. I’m not doing very well today, huh?
TnBrian
June 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
Wayne, ok, went outside and aimed for a tree and hit a car. Who’s gonna pay for that since you told me to do it? Jacka**!
cabravesfan
June 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
Wayne-
You’re right. I think I will go that route too
Wayne in Utah
June 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
10Paul
I think it is more of his approach than anything. Just my thoughts on JF’s improvement. Just keep him from swinging out of the strike zone, and improvement is bound to happen.
I would like to see a tad more power from the boy though.
AGTFan
June 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
cabravesfan – “Try banging your head against the table”
Isn’t reading this blog the same thing?
Robert
June 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
“And he’s bringing in Liebrandt to face Puckett”
Adam
June 26th, 2009
4:56 pm
Lamar — you forgot Chad Paranto — always good for turning a 5-1 lead into an 8-5 deficit.
AGTFan
June 26th, 2009
4:56 pm
Or at least reading Robert’s posts is the same thing as “banging your head against the table”
Wayne in Utah
June 26th, 2009
4:56 pm
TnBrian
I guess that means we don’t need you in our bullpen now, does it!
McPoyle
June 26th, 2009
4:57 pm
DOB – Always Sunny marathon on last night on FX. I was supposed to go to bed, but ended up watching the gang’s antics until about 2 a.m. Ain’t nothin wrong with that.
owl hunter
June 26th, 2009
4:58 pm
Vetran, battle-tested pitcher are able to pitch through rough patches. Teams don’t sign players for four years only to trade them after a few bad starts. Lowe will not be traded or skipped, and he’ll be fine. All you would-be managers who want to see Cox go have no viable solutions for the team problems other than trading everyone, rushing prospects, and eating the contract of any pitcher who isn’t undefeated. Also, who do the Cox haters have in mind for a replacement? Almost no names have been brought up in that debate. Some of you have to learn that MLB is not a video game in real life.
Soph
June 26th, 2009
4:58 pm
I’m so confoozed. Nothing makes sense on here today.
cabravesfan
June 26th, 2009
4:58 pm
AGTFan-
I actually think banging one’s head against the table is the better, less brain melting option
CB
June 26th, 2009
4:59 pm
A question being asked on another blog- which contract on the Braves,if you could,would you tear up? Think before answering.
keylargo
June 26th, 2009
5:01 pm
I hope Yunel gets to make the all-star team. His numbers stack up with any SS in the NL and that includes Hanley Ramirez.lamar1banks2
Seldom on this blog are statements this inaccurate made. I admit I am a Hanley Ramirez fan but Hanley leads Yunnel in EVERY SINGLE STATISTIC except strikeouts. If the Braves ever trade Yunnel and don’t make every effort to obtain Hanley Ramirez, it will be a mistake.
Average – .335 to .292
Runs – 46 to 39
Hits – 89 to 75
2B – 23 to 15
HR – 11 to 7
RBI – 47 to 39
Total Bases – 145 to 111
BB – 29 to 17
*SO – 45 to 29
Stolen Bases – 11 to 3
OBP – .404 to 348
SLG – .545 to 432
OPS – .949 to 780
* = only category Ramirez does not lead
Salamander
June 26th, 2009
5:01 pm
CB
Chipper Jones
ouch, I said it without thinking.
chris from md
June 26th, 2009
5:01 pm
Hi Lew,
Thanks for the updates. But I was hoping for some dates. I had heard about Campillo but didn’t know if that was true or not. Is Infante coming back at the end of July, mid-August, or what? Losing him turned out to be even bigger than we could have ever imagined.
Chris from MD
Wayne in Utah
June 26th, 2009
5:02 pm
Chop Chop and Salamander (on previous page)
Good posts!
CB As unpopular as it would be around ATL, I would tear up Chipper’s contract. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I think the guy might have hit a wall this year. (age, skill level, etc) IMO
kool$kat
June 26th, 2009
5:03 pm
Could Robert’s last name be Barrington?
Thanks Chop for setting it straight. To the Cox haters…again I ask, who is out there that would be better? Robert speculates that anyone would be better, but he has no factual evidence, as no one yet can tell the future, well except for that lady down the street with the large hand sign in her yard.
Wayne in Utah
June 26th, 2009
5:04 pm
keylargo
I think Miguel Tejada is possibly more deserving than Yunel too.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 26th, 2009
5:04 pm
The only really good team batting stance that the Braves have is .ba with runners in scoring position: 3rd in the NL at .273. But, that does not translate well with their power numbers again… only 7th in the NL with runners in scoring position in SLG with .410
Lawton
June 26th, 2009
5:04 pm
C’mon, Robert. Your contention that other teams/organziations praise Bobby just so the Braves keep him around is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life. I believe there are a handful sound arguments for wanting to see a change at the manager position. It just happens that you never include one of them in any your posts.
ChipperFan
June 26th, 2009
5:04 pm
Heath,
I think the reason why most of us see adding a “big bat” as something that could potentially improve the Braves all the way from below-average to the level of the Dodgers, is that it would put everyone else in the batting order into their proper place. I also think that we’d score about .5 – .75 more runs per game, which would take a little pressure off our pitchers to be SO PERFECT on every single pitch. So, if our pitching improved a little, and our offense improved a little more, we could finish the year perhaps 3rd in pitching and 7th or 8th in hitting. That’s potentially a playoff team, that can beat you with their bats one night and their arms the next.
I’m personally on the fence. It seemed the “big bat” was all we needed to push us over the edge and into the playoffs in 2007, and so we traded for Tex, and he was AMAZING. Drove in 56 runs in only 54 games with us after the deadline, with sick D and lots of homers and a .300 avg, etc. But, we sucked and didn’t make it anyway. So I’m hesitant to go through that again, when we could be sellers and get some prospects so that when Heyward and Freeman and Schafer are all really ready, throw in the guys we get at this year’s deadline, and you’ve got a kickass team.
My guess is that Wren is on the fence too, and is waiting to see how we do between now and mid-July. If the last 2 series between Boston and the Yankees were any indication, we’ll be sellers again, like last year.
coach smith
June 26th, 2009
5:04 pm
Hey “The Truth”
You Said:
The Truth
June 26th, 2009
3:10 pm
“34-38. 90 games of the season to go, but that isn’t the number that should concern you bloggers. 31 is. That is the number of games until the trading deadline. i bet Franklin Wren will listen to what I have been sayin:
TRADE SORIANO
TRADE GONZO
TRADE VASQUEZ
Get back prospects that can help in 2010 and beyond.”
My Friend, IF you trade a bunch of players away for prospects that MIGHT help in few years….THE YOUNG GUYS WHO ARE HERE NOW (McCann, Escobar, JJJ, KK, Frenchy, McClouth, etc) WILL BE EITHER GONE OR GETTING PAST THEIR PRIME BY THE TIME THOSE GUYS CAN HELP
A couple of other things mr so called “truth”
You don’t extend Chipper, sign Lowe, sign KK, trade for Vazquez and McClouth just to have a fire sale and build for the future….we need to build for NOW and the future
oh and the Braves are ONLY 4 GAMES OUT
Vinings Jim
June 26th, 2009
5:05 pm
cabravesfan – I am shocked you said that about McFann’s 4:49 post!
Wayne in Utah
June 26th, 2009
5:05 pm
When Bobby’s days are through, I would love to see Eddie Perez get a shot at managing. Please, just say no to TP.
McFann Ô
June 26th, 2009
5:05 pm
cabravesfan–
Hmm…I’m not sure if I’ve seen that one…
I really hate the add for GA Lottery’s “Lucky Seven”, but you wouldn’t have seen that one (lucky you!).
Supes
June 26th, 2009
5:05 pm
Top SS in the NL right now:
Hanley Ramirez
Yunel Escobar
Miguel Teijada
Those 3 should make it to the ALL star game.
Brian McCann should make it to the ALL star game as well.
3B…Chipper could be a late pick, nobody other than Wright is a lock at 3B right now.
Until 3 starts ago, I think D-Lowe could have been an ALL star pitcher. If somehow Jair gets on a roll and is able to beat Boston tonight, maybe he gets in based on how solid he’s been with the ERA.
Soriano has an outside shot.
That’s about it for your 2009 ALL star Braves update.
Sure thing: B-Mac and Yunel
Possible: Soriano, Chipper, Jair
Heath (Cleveland)
June 26th, 2009
5:06 pm
he he…not sure what the heck that was: “team batting stance” What in the world is going on with me today? Should be statistic. Wow. I need a drink.
cabravesfan
June 26th, 2009
5:06 pm
Vinings Jim-
Great, now McFann is going to think I hate her!
McFann-
You know that wasn’t directed at you right??
Renegator
June 26th, 2009
5:06 pm
Chop Chop
June 26th, 2009
4:54 pm
The “worst manager ever” can’t execute a double switch, always brings in the worst reliever in every pressure situation, always lets his starter go too long or not long enough
Dude – that sounds a lot like Bobby Cox. Remember that game last month when he messed up the double switch and Moylan had to bat in a key situation?
pryguy
June 26th, 2009
5:06 pm
RedSoxNation….
I can accept things, but I cannot except anything. Thanks for revealing your age/intelligence. Now go down to the bah, have a beeh, and pretend you followed the sawks and are a intelligent fan.
cabravesfan
June 26th, 2009
5:07 pm
McFann-
If you’ve never seen it, don’t go looking…it really is creepy and uncomfortable
Lamar1Banks2
June 26th, 2009
5:07 pm
Adam
you are so right I forgot about Chad Paranto.
Supes
June 26th, 2009
5:08 pm
This whole REDSOX nation garbage has to end at some point.
I mean the troll that is here today…yeah you nation fan…Where was this mythical “RedSox Nation” crap in the 90’s when you were the Yankee’s biatches in the AL East?
Nothing more I dislike than bandwagon jumping fans. I have no quirrel with any northerners who now reside in the ATL, who wanna go cheer on their beloved RedSox this weekend. It’s all the others, who have never even been to Boston that wanna be “redsoxs nation” that are a disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves. Sellouts. Fraking sellouts. That’s all I have to say about that.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 26th, 2009
5:10 pm
ChipperFan:
The Braves were 3rd in the NL in ERA in 2007…AND 3rd in runs scored. If adding a “big bat” didn’t help the 3rd-best pitching staff in ‘07 and the 3rd best scoring NL team, I doubt it will help now in ‘09.
Chop Chop
June 26th, 2009
5:11 pm
Renegator,
The “worst manager ever” does everything I said.
Packerman
June 26th, 2009
5:11 pm
bravos2249,
Thanks for posting that article. I think Mark Teahen or Alberto Collaspo would be welcome additions to our infield. I especially like Teahen because he could be our everyday 2B and give Chipper a rest at 3B when he needs one. Also, he’s not a “premier” player so it wouldn’t cost as much for us to make the deal with KC. That would fix our weakest spot in our lineup and for cheap.
RedSoxNation,
The Braves are an average team as they stand right now, imo. I don’t expect them to win all the time because no team wins every game. What I do expect is that they play up to their ability, which until recently, they haven’t. I expect them to come out every night and compete and not to give up before the game is over. I expect them to try to win every game even when they have no shot. I expect them to play with consistency and with the good fundamentals that every major league player should.
I get sick to my stomach when night after night I have no idea what to expect. Will we get the Braves that shut out the Yankees, or will we get the Braves that lost 12-0 against the D-Backs? It seems like we have an error or three every night this season. With the current lineup I don’t expect them to win the division or wild card, but I do expect them to try to do those things. I think that’s what most fans expect of this team as it stands. They are under-performing the majority of the time when realistically they should at least be able to play at the same level as the freaking Marlins and their AAA-type payroll.
Inconsistency is what gets people on these boards riled up and yelling about firing the manager and demoting players and making trades. If we’re consistently good or consistently bad at least we’d know which the Braves are and use that as a launching pad by which to build the team back into a winner.
RedSoxNation
June 26th, 2009
5:14 pm
I will be at the game tomorrow night to cheer on a real team!! Been a Sox fan since ‘04 when this incredible run started and it won’t end anytime soon. Call me what you want, but MY team will sweep that joke Braves team!! They are…. WICKED AWESOME!!
Doc Holiday
June 26th, 2009
5:14 pm
I predict braves to continue with their “good” offensive numbers and stretch their numbers of games scoring at least 4 runs……….even with Beckett on the mount. You´ll see.
Salamander
June 26th, 2009
5:16 pm
CB
Because you asked, but didn’t show your cards in return, I’m going to ask you the same question – which contract would you tear up given the power to do so?
Adam
June 26th, 2009
5:16 pm
Good man RedSoxNation — on your way to the game stop at Triple A so you can find out where Boston is.
chuck yu
June 26th, 2009
5:16 pm
RedSoxNation… thank you for that enlightening post
pryguy
June 26th, 2009
5:17 pm
any radio broadcast of the game tonight? i know mfin is pretty clutch with this.
McFann Ô
June 26th, 2009
5:17 pm
cabravesfan You know that wasn’t directed at you right??
Haha! Of course. How could you possibly call me a moron?
As for the commercial–don’t worry. In that depot, I’ve always felt that what I don’t see won’t hurt me…
Skeezix
June 26th, 2009
5:18 pm
On a better team, Lowe is not a #1; so expectations were too high for him. When Huddy’s fully back, Lowe goes to the #2 spot(but if Hanson continues to perform/develop he may become #3). The Braves are playing about as good as they can as currently constituted. The weak offense and continuing bullpen issues were predictable. The main surprise for me has been all the errors and mental mistakes-Bobby needs to start kicking butt on that issue. There are some things that can happen that will give the Braves a chance at finishing 500 or slightly better this year. Those are making Prado the starter at second. When Omar returns, Bobby needs to find a place for him–he was really an offensive spark b-4 he got hurt. The starting rotation will be great with the return of Hudson in August. Hopefully the hapless Wren can find someone to help us out with middle relief. Don’t give up on Frenchy–he seems to be finally figuring it out at the plate and that could be a key for the rest of this year and next.
Lamar1Banks2
June 26th, 2009
5:18 pm
Key Largo
If you recall the post I made was his numbers “stack up” to other NL SS.
Since you were so kind as to display the numbers and destort what I posted let me enlighten you
Stack Up=to stand in comparison with
not to be confused with
exceed=to go beyond or surpass
know boys and girls that that lesson has been we can continue with or lives
thank you I be here all week
Supes
June 26th, 2009
5:19 pm
will be at the game tomorrow night to cheer on a real team!! Been a Sox fan since ‘04 when this incredible run started and it won’t end anytime soon. Call me what you want, but MY team will sweep that joke Braves team!! They are…. WICKED AWESOME!!
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WICKED TROLL, Get the hell off of our land. This is Braves territory!
Adam
June 26th, 2009
5:19 pm
Maybe we can trade the SAWX our top 4 starters so they can go with a 10-man rotation the rest of the season.
I’m sure ESPN will OK the expenditure.
semiballcoach
June 26th, 2009
5:20 pm
chipper isn’t an all-star this year, him and yunel are going to continue to make errors as long as they refuse to move their feet and get in front of the ball
paul
June 26th, 2009
5:20 pm
mcpoyle,
good is the enemy of great and in the case of the braves, below average is the enemy of solid….
if we keep the “give it time” debate going we are going to waste an opportunity…
case is….. if we use the assests we have to bring in some quality young “POWER” arms for 2010-2012 we will set ourselves up for another good run.
we have no speed, no power and no obp players… what we do have is a lineup full of #7 and #8 hitters…. (with the exception of mccann ofcourse) so what is our direction.
we are a $95 million dollar payroll team trying to take 1 or 2 high priced old g uys (chipper, lowe, vasquez) and win with…
at this payroll we should follow the lead of the marlins, rays, etc… and when we decide to cut bait with some (glavine, smoltz,etc..) cut bait with the others and bring back in quality players that we will have under control for several years…
we will not sustain success with this payroll restraint playing the game the way we used too… the only way to get back to the top is to restart and develop from within…
we have some great assests that contenders will sell the farm for in july..
lowe – has been big in the postseason
vasquez – power arm would be a great #3 for a series contending team
soriano- would bring back a kings ransom right now
chipper – would get us 2-3 players in return to go and dh for 3 more years for an al team (his loss of interest in this team is showing in his lackadasical infield play)
yunel – some team will pay heavy for him and think they can fix him
time to cut bait and start another run and bring some enthusiasm back to the ted….
we have 0 right now..
Supes
June 26th, 2009
5:20 pm
Derek Lowe will be an above average number 3 starter next year.
1. Tim Hudson
2. Jair Jurrjens
3. Derek Lowe
4. Javy Vazquez or Kenshin Kawakami
5. Tommy Hanson
Jason
June 26th, 2009
5:20 pm
Here is some food for thought! Thought you folks might want to read it and give your opinions!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/206859-its-time-for-the-braves-to-cash-out-on-09/poll_results#poll
cabravesfan
June 26th, 2009
5:21 pm
How could you possibly call me a moron?
McFann-
the thought would never even cross my mind!
bravos2249
June 26th, 2009
5:21 pm
RedSoxNation
Well isn’t that not surprising…a fan in 2004…but WE have bangwagoners.
Doc Holiday
June 26th, 2009
5:21 pm
LINEUP:
Nate
Prado
Jones
GA
CK
JF
Ross
Hernandez
JJJ
Doc Holiday
June 26th, 2009
5:22 pm
Ill have to say that tonights lineup is not going to score more than 3 runs since yunel is not in there.
McFann Ô
June 26th, 2009
5:24 pm
cabravesfan–
Well, no, of course not. (
Thanks.)
Doc H.–
Is that seriously the lineup?
TnBrian
June 26th, 2009
5:25 pm
Oh My God, is that really the lineup?
Supes
June 26th, 2009
5:26 pm
Doc H,
DOB hasn’t posted the lineup yet:)
McFann Ô
June 26th, 2009
5:26 pm
Dangit…Foxsports.com has that as the lineup. What’s the deal?
Lamar1Banks2
June 26th, 2009
5:26 pm
Maybe the best line-up of the yr follow by the worst line-up of the yr
Steve from OH
June 26th, 2009
5:28 pm
Doc–is that really the lineup? Dear God. Go get ‘em, Jair!
Adam
June 26th, 2009
5:28 pm
Cox probably believes we won’t hit Beckett anyway, and with a day game tomorrow, he needs to rest our best hitter so he’s ready to go!
the hope of the braves nation rests in your hands mr hanson
June 26th, 2009
5:29 pm
yes, we are only 4 games out……now. what do you think will happen while we play below average ball? when the mets and phils get healthier do you honestly believe they will play sub .500 ball and keep us in the race? please tell me you all are joking…..
by the end of july we will be close to 8, 9 or 10 games out by the deadline playing .500 ball from here on out. just wait until the phils heat up and start winning some games at home…. the only thing we can pray for is a wild card. that wont be easy either. .500 ball isnt going to cut it. we have to start winning series’….like every series. this team is in a lot of trouble.
and yes, if you are out of it by the deadline you sell and build for the future.
Lamar1Banks2
June 26th, 2009
5:29 pm
Yunel’s hip must really be bothering him.
McFann Ô
June 26th, 2009
5:29 pm
Chieeef…here Chief…
Caroe Diem
June 26th, 2009
5:30 pm
Some of you don’t seem to pay much attention to how the game is actually run. Doubt Soriano is gonna be an A or even B free agent since it is based on two years and his 2008 was practically non-existent. But whatever works for you.No stupider than 80% of what is posted on here daily.
McFann Ô
June 26th, 2009
5:30 pm
Sorry about that…just sort of happened…
cabravesfan
June 26th, 2009
5:30 pm
Vinings Jim-
Damn! Now I have to drink!
Bobby's Cox
June 26th, 2009
5:31 pm
Hey Robert…wanna bash Frenchy with me? It’s fun…c’mon, give it a try. Be a 2-trick donkey….
Here I’ll start it…
Apparently Frenchy will be a good fit on the Rangers…..This from their website:
Among AL teams, Rangers offense is:
* Last in percentage of pitches taken.
* Have the highest percentage of swings and misses.
* Have the highest percentage of swinging at the first pitch.
* Second lowest percentage of walks per plate appearances. Only the Mariners are worse.
* They have the third highest slugging percentage but the fourth lowest on-base percentage of any team in the league.
* They are last in strikeouts per at-bat.
* They are hitting .249 against left-handed pitchers, third lowest in the league.
http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/
CB
June 26th, 2009
5:31 pm
Salamander,questioner not required to answer his own question, right? As much as I like him, the answer would be Lowe. I don’t think we will lose a lot on the contract, but I do think we will lose.
Supes
June 26th, 2009
5:32 pm
No Yunel means that there are 3 sure outs tonight for Beckett to go to.
Hernandez, Francine and the Pitcher.
Braves going to bat with 2/3 of a lineup.
Caroe Diem
June 26th, 2009
5:33 pm
We were talking about using Hudson as a closer next year when he wouldn’t be on the DL fleming
That sure as hell ain’t gonna happen. Can people die of stupidity? If so how do so many on here continue to exist?
McFann Ô
June 26th, 2009
5:33 pm
Supes DOB hasn’t posted the lineup yet:)
Maybe he’s trying to find out what the heck…? Heh heh…though I am the Blogger Who Cried Ross…
My sister’s gonna wonder where Johnson is…
keylargo
June 26th, 2009
5:34 pm
Keylargo
If you recall the post I made was his numbers “stack up” to other NL SS.
Since you were so kind as to display the numbers and destort what I posted let me enlighten you
Stack Up=to stand in comparison with lamar1banks2
Gee, thanks lamar1banks2. Next time I see you make a statement “that his stats stack up to” someone elses, I’ll know you meant they were about 80% of the other guys.
NO MORE BOBBY
June 26th, 2009
5:34 pm
When is Bobby Cox going to be held accountable for how bad some of our players stink? Yes Bennett sucks but who is the guy sending him out there again and again with the game on the line? BOBBY COX!!
Why is Kelly Johnson still getting a chance to prove he belongs at second when he continues to fail every game? BOBBY COX!!
Im tired of the bloggers only pointing out this crap. When is someone going to sit down and just ask the old man point blank…. why are you doing these stupid things over and over?
Doc Holiday
June 26th, 2009
5:35 pm
The lineup is up in http://www.foxsports.com
jason
June 26th, 2009
5:36 pm
Supes, They have been playing with2/3 the lineup the majority of the season.
Barrington
June 26th, 2009
5:37 pm
Bobby Cox CANNOT adjust.
1. He has to learn to stop waitng on the 3-run homer with this team. We have no power, none. Where’s the hit and run, bunt when a runner is on 1st and no one out, stealing, hustle, etc….
2. If Bobby Cox is so great, why are his teams failing fundamentally? Why do batters consistently swing at bad pitches to bailout bad pitchers? Why can’ t the Braves manufacture runs? Why don’t the Braves score when they have a runner at 2nd and no outs?
3. Bobby Cox has grown stale and so are his opinions.
4. BOBBY COX IS LIKE THE PHILOSOPHY OF TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS. STALE AND INEFFECTIVE!
Lamar1Banks2
June 26th, 2009
5:37 pm
I don’t think Lowe’s contract is all that bad. I don’t like the last yr of the deal when he’ll be 40. But that was the going rate. Many teams laughed at the Royal’s for Gil Meche and now some of those same teams want to trade for him.
Jason
June 26th, 2009
5:37 pm
I totally agree with you NO MORE BOBBY but you also have to think just maybe Prado is not starting for a reason. Would his numbers translate as well to a full-time role? Although i think, a benching of Johnson is more than way overdue for an extended period of time.
Doc Holiday
June 26th, 2009
5:38 pm
Lineup:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/gameTrax?gameId=290626115
cabravesfan
June 26th, 2009
5:39 pm
Barrington, meet Robert- Robert, Barrington. I trust you 2 will be very happy together.
Supes
June 26th, 2009
5:39 pm
Supes, They have been playing with2/3 the lineup the majority of the season.
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Jason,
I agree. Normally the 3 easy outs are FRANCINE, Kelly and Pitcher. When Norton was in there, he could also be penciled in, now Hernandez.
McFann,
I sure hope Yunel is in there tonight. Going to need his bat.
Caroe Diem
June 26th, 2009
5:39 pm
Whatever dude – History will bear me out Robert
yeah dude, history will bear you out as a total moron. Cox will be first ballot HOF and over the years that 14 season streak will assume bigger and bigger status. and you my friend won’t even be noticed. Have a nice day
Doc Holiday
June 26th, 2009
5:39 pm
Enter your comments here
jason
June 26th, 2009
5:40 pm
1. N McLouth, CF .
2. M Prado, 2B
3. C Jones, 3B
4. G Anderson, LF
5. C Kotchman, 1B
6. J Francoeur, RF
7. D Ross, C
8. D Hernandez, SS
9. J Jurrjens, P
IS that the best we can do? Why is Ross so far down?
McFann Ô
June 26th, 2009
5:40 pm
Supes–
Well, foxsports.com has that as the for-real lineup…
scottbravesfan
June 26th, 2009
5:41 pm
Redsoxnation,
How many people went to Celtics games before last year when they traded for Garnett? How many people went to the Bruins games last season and even this season? Hell when the Bruins played the Habs in the playoffs last year half the people in the garden were cheering for the Habs. It wasn’t until the series went to game 7 that people in Boston got excited. The Thrashers made the playoffs in 2007 their games at Philips Arena sold out in about 30 minutes. The Patriots were about to move from the Boston area to Connecticut and they never sold out their games always blacked out until Tom Brady came along. There were about 20,000 people in the stands in 1986 when Roger Clemens struck out 20. So don’t go saying crap about Atlanta being a bandwagon town when this town hasn’t won but 1 championship in over 40 years of having pro sports. If Boston went through that stretch they wouldn’t be any different than Atlanta. Because that sell out streak in Boston in that tiny ballpark started this decade when the Sox became one of the best teams in all of baseball.
Barrington
June 26th, 2009
5:41 pm
NO MORE BOBBY,
It looks as if we ‘re the only sane ones left on this blog. It’s obvious he’s the problem. Anyone who know’s basball can see it. The ones who won’t admit Cox is the problem are those that are afraid or just respect him so much that they wouldn’t bad mouth him in public.
THE REASON DAVE OBRIEN NEVER TALKS ABOUT BOBBY’S JOB SECURITY IS BECAUSE FRANK WREN WANTS TO FIRE HIM BUT CAN’T!
Supes
June 26th, 2009
5:41 pm
Doc H.
Thanks for the link. Too bad about Hernadez in there for Yunel. Diory can’t hit and has a weaker arm.
BTW…kind of weird to see Nate McClouth with 3 HR next to his lineup spot. I thought when a player is traded within their league, as in NL, they combined their stats.
SandyB
June 26th, 2009
5:42 pm
going back to Wednesday’s game…I thought about it at the time, and see a couple of folks have brought it back up:
Girardi: (running out to first): MAN, I REALLY THINK YOU MISSED THAT CALL!!
Ump: do you really now??
Girardi: YES, ALTHOUGH FROM MY SPOT IN THE DUGOUT, I’M NOT REALLY SURE!!
Ump: Well, yes, I probably did have a better angle that you…
Girardi: OK!!! SINCE I’M OUT HERE, HOW ARE THE WIFE AND KIDS????
Ump: They’re all okay..thanks for asking..
Girardi: OKAY THEN, I’VE BEEN OUT HERE LONG ENOUGH…GO AHEAD AND THROW ME OUT!!!!
Ump: Are you sure you’re ready to go?
Girardi: YEP!!! I SURE HOPE THIS HELPS!!!!
Ump: Okay, YOU’RE OUTTA HERE!!!!!
(if you watched the end of the conversation, this is really how it looked)…..
Salamander
June 26th, 2009
5:44 pm
CB
Oh, I don’t doubt that we will not see full value from Derek Lowe for the entire length of his contract, but Chipper’s defense this year has me worried… 3 more years of him at third base? yikes. I’m not sure the Braves will get enough value from Chipper for ANY year of his deal, let alone the last year.
Barrington
June 26th, 2009
5:44 pm
Bobby Cox CANNOT adjust.
1. He has to learn to stop waitng on the 3-run homer with this team. We have no power, none. Where’s the hit and run, bunt when a runner is on 1st and no one out, stealing, hustle, etc….
2. If Bobby Cox is so great, why are his teams failing fundamentally? Why do batters consistently swing at bad pitches to bailout bad pitchers? Why can’ t the Braves manufacture runs? Why don’t the Braves score when they have a runner at 2nd and no outs?
3. Bobby Cox has grown stale and so are his opinions.
4. BOBBY COX IS LIKE THE PHILOSOPHY OF TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS. STALE AND INEFFECTIVE
ChipperFan
June 26th, 2009
5:44 pm
Heath,
Good point. I guess we should just throw in the towel then, and forfeit all our games until we KNOW, FOR SURE, that the players on our roster will produce the #1 ranking in the league in both hitting and pitching. No point in putting together a team that’s merely going to be third in the league in both categories, since that didn’t equate to a World Series title in 2007.
Sorry. That was unnecessarily sarcastic. But you do see my point, right?
BTW, wasn’t Bob Wickman the closer and Tyler Yates the setup man on that team? Methinks Gonzo and Soriano wouldn’t mind playing on a Braves team that was third in the N.L. both offensively and defensively…and you and I wouldn’t mind watching such a team.
Steve from OH
June 26th, 2009
5:44 pm
Where’s the hit and run, bunt when a runner is on 1st and no one out, stealing, hustle, etc…
Well, seeing as those things (excepting for hustle, of course) generally cost teams net runs over the long haul, they’re right where they’re supposed to be. Not being used.
Lamar1Banks2
June 26th, 2009
5:46 pm
KeyLargo
So if Yunel’s numbers don’t “stack up” why would he be considered for the all-star game and why didn’t u use your insidious logic with the other NL SS. No you chose to only post Hanley Ramirez’s numbers to try to validate your point. The post was about all NL ss.
Oh what’s that you couldn’t
thought so.
If your going to be wrong, at least quit while you are ahead a save face.
Bobby's Cox
June 26th, 2009
5:46 pm
I don’t know who’s worse, Coach, or Robert….
Either way, both need hugs.
Saw these guys in Florence….I’m hopeful that fate finds their way into Coach & Roberts arms…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BE1YqDYlLo
Is there anything more refreshing than a good, solid hug?
jason
June 26th, 2009
5:47 pm
So, ATL is conceding the first one to the SOX. This is going to be a rough weekend.