2:57 pm June 26, 2009, by David O'Brien
Steve from OH
June 26th, 200910:58 pm
I was hoping the late-nite crew would come in with some good bloggin’ but doesn’t appear so…nite everyone.
June 26th, 200910:59 pm
Braves need to SELL! They find ways to lose…so sick of it!
Tim and Jim, Mitchell wants to go with you. He’s cool.
Mitchell likes to use Bobby Cox style phrases.
June 26th, 200911:01 pm
June 26th, 2009
Bobby Cox is a morally corrupt, drunken wife-beater who only knows how to communicate through swear words and grunts
a bit like you only smarter and nicer huh?
I hope the Braves are watching the Red Sox. I’m no fan, but they are everything we should be right now.
Hey retard, why did you put my name in quotations?
I don’t make up dumbass names to hide behind. Dumb mother******.
I’m not going to put up with your trash talking. I don’t see Fred McGriff out there or David Justice anymore. If you want to say Bobby Cox doesn’t deserve credit for winning with potential hall of fame players, fine.
We all have high standards but no manager could turn this team into a serious contender.
You can’t trade Casey Kotchman. VABRAVESFAN says he is awesome
June 26th, 200911:03 pm
BBFCFM — pardon me if I’m late to the (blog) party, just a fan. But are you the Big Black Furry Creature From Mars? FWIW, I’m still smiling from my Knoxville experience.
Pat and Matt
June 26th, 200911:04 pm
Hey we know Jim and Tim.
Tim is Tim Hudson.
June 26th, 2009
Tim and Jim, Mitchell wants to go with you. He’s cool.
Oh, homophobia. How cool. Dude, you’re a badass.
June 26th, 200911:05 pm
Dream big my dear- some day your vision may come true
LAdy, I not only dream, I plan, I execute. However, I’m still not sure who’s going to clean up the mess.
God what I would do for a Guillen/Pinella explosion right now. Someone has to do it. There was a time in the early 90’s that JS made Cox replace some coaches when he didn’t want to. JS needs to speak up and soon. Cox’s job is to put a prepared team on the field. This is neither a team or prepared. Time for some bold moves. Chipper has got to go to the American League where he can DH. GA,JF and KJ should just be cut if for no other reason than to prove a point. Kotch is not worth a crap. Move him. If they don’t shake this team up one way or another this season is lost. For all the @#$ing people who will say hey we are only 4 games back …. back of what? Baseball is not about making the playoffs only to be swept in the first round. It is about winning the World Series and even IF this team squeaked in they would go no where. They have no chance at this point. It is a bad team, playing badly. What do we expect. Sell Wren and build for next year and hell who knows they may play better without some of these players anyway. Worse? I doubt it.
I gotta poop!
June 26th, 200911:07 pm
Mitchell we will never know if another manager could turn this team around unless we get one. Don’t believe it could get any worse. Good night, give it a rest.
Keep it up. Keep supporting the vulgar idiot Bobby Cox. The holy spirit will not descend and help the Braves until the immoral cretin is gone.
June 26th, 200911:08 pm
I disagree. Kotchman is great defensively, and can hit. Only problem is that his style of hitting isn’t what we need. If we had an offensively productive outfield, nobody would complain agout him. Dude can pick it at first.
nolie, one of the links from that article was a great read too. Thanks for that link.
just put down some plastic first…it helps. Although C-4 can be messy- maybe a different method? Poison perhaps? No mess, no fuss, does the job just as well…
Poorjeff, I agree with you. Not really in the mood to be patronized though.
June 26th, 200911:10 pm
I see that the ol’ blog is full of trash tonight. Such a fun place when the psych patients get loose.
Tom O – can I start calling you bad names – maybe we’d both feel like we fit in better.
June 26th, 200911:11 pm
Is that Coxlover or revolskcoC?
McFann Ô , BMac battling the flu. The dizziness was probably from dehydration. Get an IV or two sit and rest. That’s how he was able to come in and get you that 2B. And yes that 2B was probably just for you. I thinkg he might be trying to make up… LOL!!!
On to the more important things. Tell me Chip’s bat speed hasn’t slowed. 4 times in the last to nights I saw him come to bat with runners in scoring position. He is 0-3 with 1 BB and 3 Ks. He needs to quit throwing his teammates under the bus, STFU and play ball. He has no right to say crap about anyone. His .300 avg is about as weak as it can be. You can’t be a leader if you don’t set the example. You have no right to Bit-h and moan when you are producing yourself.
I am not raedy to say Francouer sucks again. He just can’t hit Beckett. Not if knows a fastball is coming right down the middle.
What would the Braves think if JJ was to come out one night and give up 10 runs in the first inning? What would the fans think. I feel so bad for hime. He pitches his ass off and gets no freakin support. None. Twice runners on base. 1B and b no outs, can’t score one freaking run. 1B and 2B one out, again not a freakin run. Again guys hit the ball, all but Chipper. Lets blame the BP, lets blame Francouer, KJ, anyone else. How about we blame the last 2 games on Chipper. If he is not going offer with runners in scoring position, he is making as stupid of errors and Escobar to extend innings needlessly. For this crappy line up tonight, ATL had a good chance to win. Different ball game if ol Chip gets a hit with runners on.
Hernandez can not play SS at the ML level. That play on the pedroia 2B was crap. Should have been an infield hit. Then the hit up the middle That he was so far out of position that he was playing 3B with Chipper.
Last, I am not going to whine about the umpiring, but who had the crystal clear TV tonight. On both Balk calls that killed us… Were they balks. I saw absolutely nothing. I could be wrong though so I want Bit-h about the 2 Ks JJ had robbed from him.
I heard that Jesus has agreed in principle to manage the team as soon as Cox retires. I think he’ll be getting a 3 yr/ $3m contract. Let the countdown begin!!!!
June 26th, 200911:12 pm
nolie–you just mad cause you are constipated.
Kotch hits .260 with 2 homers. That is good hitting? WTF is bad hitting? Are you kidding me? He should not be a starter ANYWHERE. A great fielding SS maybe with those stats, a 1B? no way, just how hard do you think 1st is to play. Notice where all the big slow boys end up … 1B, guess why, because they can get by with a mediocre fielding 1B. Geez are you looking at the same game?
June 26th, 200911:13 pm
The sad thing is that I used to do the towel drill…
June 26th, 200911:15 pm
What’s the rip on Kotchman? He went 3-3 tonight, what did Chip do? Plus he plays the best defense on the infield. BS, he plays the best defense on the team.
June 26th, 200911:16 pm
COMPARE SOME STATS FOR KOTCH, FRANC, AND KJ
NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS
Omar Infante 29 86 13 30 4 0 1 37 11 6 7 1 0 .349 .389 .430 .820
Brian McCann 55 183 22 60 14 1 8 100 31 25 26 2 1 .328 .415 .546 .962
Brandon Jones 5 13 2 4 0 0 0 4 1 4 3 0 0 .308 .471 .308 .778
Chipper Jones 64 217 35 64 12 2 8 104 32 44 36 1 1 .295 .413 .479 .892
David Ross 28 82 14 24 5 0 6 47 15 14 27 0 0 .293 .396 .573 .969
Yunel Escobar 62 257 39 75 15 0 7 111 39 17 29 3 1 .292 .348 .432 .779
Martin Prado 49 129 15 37 11 0 3 57 9 13 13 0 1 .287 .352 .442 .794
G. Anderson 53 181 16 51 10 0 3 70 26 10 22 1 0 .282 .311 .387 .698
C. Kotchman 61 210 17 58 17 0 2 81 28 17 22 0 0 .276 .335 .386 .720
Matt Diaz 48 125 20 34 6 2 3 53 17 12 28 3 0 .272 .348 .424 .772
Nate McLouth† 21 87 14 23 7 0 3 39 11 7 17 3 1 .264 .323 .448 .771
J. Francoeur 71 269 30 67 8 2 5 94 32 12 40 4 1 .249 .282 .349 .632
B. Canizares 4 17 1 4 1 0 0 5 0 0 4 0 0 .235 .235 .294 .529
nolie, you obviously haven’t come across Mr. Hydranamo’s comments about our hall of fame manager.
I’m ready for a change as much as everybody and anybody but I’m not going to stand for the kind of trash he’s been offering about Bobby Cox. I don’t care what I sound like, it’s uncalled for.
See for yourself.
Kotchman has been the only bright spot defensively on the team. I’d take him batting six or seventh in a lineup with real hitters. By no means was I saying he’s an answer. I just feel that we have WAY bigger problems than him.
nolie, one of the links from that article was a great read too. Thanks for that link. (STEVE OH)
glad you liked it. I had already read the other one too. Like I said, all that esoteric stuff like inverted Ws and scao loads weren’t around in my day. Who knew? Still seems to be some real disagreement on it all. I guess you pays your monet & you takes your chances. Glad i caught you B4 you left.
June 26th, 200911:17 pm
JJ looked very frustrated out there tonight and chipper looked like he was ready to just go on home that last at bat.the only players that haven’t given up are bmac,diaz,kotchman and escabar the rest are half assing it at best and I’m thinking we should dump everybody that’s worth a prospect and start from scratch.
Oh yeah, even if BMac was fine, I would have played Ross. BMac needed a day off. All the heat and humidity combined with high pressure of this homestand. He has to call a perfect game. It’s not like the offense is going to do a Da– thing. Or the defense will make 5 errors at SS and 3B. Dude needed a break.
Yes he went 3/3 … and raised the avg. to what .276?
June 26th, 200911:18 pm
SportsCenter highlighting Beckett’s recent numbers against the Braves.
Saw the called third strike Chipper took again in the first inning – not sure why he didn’t try to foul that fastball off.
all you guys need to know what and where Frank Wren came from.. he came from the baltimore orioles who FIRED HIM for destroying the orioles team and the farm system.. he was canneedd… and for a year now Look what this joke has done.. this team is a mess.. we are the joke and laughin stock of the league.. wow and john schuerholtz hires this trash, and lives with it and accepts it. Its time for COX WREN to get the pink slip now And maybe J.S to go as well.. we need a serious fresh new style and look. that means you get rid of the past thats cox and needs to be wren too.. I am so glad I sold my tickets and didnt waste my money and time to come down to atlanta. what a serious waste of money it is to watch this little league team..
June 26th, 200911:19 pm
“Okay, then here’s another question. What do you hope to accomplish by spreading your gospel?”
There’s a lot more people who agree with me than did two or three years ago. And ultimately the fans vote with their wallets. I aint gonna get anything changed overnight, but I do believe I am helping the donkey turn, if ever so slowly
This team is DEEPLY flawed, just too blind with loyalty to see it ….. bad, bad team
Sarah – I gotta poop!
They biggest and most frustrating thing about this team is that EVERYBODY on this team is capable of being a career .285 hitter…………..all of them can hit for average…………….at least .285. Problem is the hit by turns…………….is like if they have shifts. This week chipper is off and its JF turn. Tonight CK had 3 hits I think, last night he came up in key situations as well as wednesday, I think he didnt come true, almost sure about that. Then there is Mc. They just keep putting base runners………..tons……….but as soon as they have the pitcher against the ropes, they run out of gas.
Other teams dont forgive our pitchers……….our pitchers can go almost perfectly the whole night, the moment they blink, boom, 3 runs score.
June 26th, 200911:20 pm
hhmmm, he is one of the very least of ATL’s problems. He would be a non issue if others would do their job. Ahem, Chipper with his weak .300 avg.
I like the way you think. As long as they can’t trace it back to us. we should be golden. Besides, everyone on the blog would share the same motive, right?
Vinings Jim —–
Personally, I don’t care what you call me, but I’d hate to confuse you with our “going away party” guestlist.
Everyone in the division lost tonight.
The Braves have lost 11 of 16, and are still four games out of first. Ridiculous.
The Phillies lead the division and have lost nine of 10 games.
I remember that guy in Singapore who got canneedd – I hear it’s very painful.
June 26th, 200911:21 pm
“I’m going to keep my head up and keep pitching, and hopefully it’s going to change soon,” said Jurrjens (5-6), who has lost four consecutive decisions in five starts, with the Braves going scoreless while he was in three of them.
He’s 1-4 with a 3.21 ERA in his past seven home starts, and the Braves have scored one or no runs while he’s been in five of those games.
and we are so lucky that none of the NL east teams won tonight…
GEEEEEEEE….THANKS! I feel much better now. You just put the icing on the cake.
Ask yourself how many of these players would another team even want? Other than Esco, McClouth, Chipper, and Mac ….. NONE. Nobody would even want them on their team.
Who should replace Cox, Wren and JS???
You probably think McCann should play first.
June 26th, 2009
Now, I definitely agree with that.
June 26th, 200911:22 pm
nolie–you just mad cause you are constipated (Mike)
nah my bowels are fine youngin’, but most on the board tonight are full of sh*t. Typical after-a-loss morons ranting like they actually knew anything about baseball. Wannabe GMs who think fantasy baseball and real-life baseball are the same thing. Hadn’t noticed your posts, but since you had such an intelligent response I’ll look for more of the same.
“We’re still losing every time Philly’s losing,” Jurrjens said. “Hopefully we can change soon and start scoring some runs.”
He also said: “I’m giving 100 percent each time I go out there, keeping my teams in the game. That’s all I can do.”
The kid handles this with grace and composure, always.
June 26th, 200911:23 pm
Tom O – never mind.
Jason I say get rid of Chipper too but no one will take a 14 million dollar singles hitter
Chipper is 10-for-56 (.179) with one RBI in his past 16 games, and five of those hits were in two games. But I do agree, he’s about the least of their problems. Just pointing it out, to show that when even the reigning batting champion is skidding, well, the Braves are not going to score.
June 26th, 200911:24 pm
What about GA………has anyone notice he always, and I mean always swings at the first pitch? And not only that, he always hits a foul ball on that 1st pitch. And not only that, it is always a fly ball. Doesnt matter what type of pitch it is, he goes after if as if he was on an 0-2 count.
I need to go check on this on some site, but I have been paying attention to this closely last few weeks and there is no doubt in my mind that it is a problem.
hhmmm, I don’t think an AL team will give up anything for Chipper at this point. His bat has slowed way down. As far as everyday players though, you do have a point.
June 26th, 200911:25 pm
No owl I dont think McCann should go to first, duh he is a catcher, but if you try to convince me there isn’t a better option than Kotchman that we could get I will puke. Chipper at least should move over before he makes 75 errors at 3rd.
June 26th, 200911:26 pm
June 26th, 2009
I think we are on the same wave link.
Bobby has been “taking one for the team” since 2006. He has volunteered to hold his salary at $3,000,000. He should make about $4,000,000 a year escalating to $6,000,000 on his next contract. I hope he signs a multi year deal, say 4 years at a back loaded deal for about $20,000,000.
2010 – $4,000,000
2011 – $5,000,000
2012 – $5,000,
June 26th, 200911:27 pm
JJ – “Hopefully Philly will start winning games so they can take this horse behind the barn and do what is necessary.”
June 26th, 200911:28 pm
Yeah, these GM’s are running a baseball team on their PS2. You wouldn’t want to take advice from them? By the way, you just sounded crabby so I thought maybe you were jealous of Sarah.
If I were JJ I would. Go out and throw BP fastballs in every game for the rest of the season to protest this poor excuse of a team we have
Sorry, I accidently sent my post before I was through.
2012 – $5,000,000
2013 – $6,000,000
It is about time he made some money.
if wren wants to keep his job he needs to make a trade veryy soonnnn or now for a bat with outfield presence.. Mark Derosa comes to mind.. but again i have just lost any hope in this team under the management of bobby cox.. losing in the fashion they are at home is a slap in the face to the fans … no wonder why attendance is down and yesterday the YES network announcers were saying that the braves HR dept was thanking the yankees for selling out because that will be the last time that stadium will be sold out this year… and will have more redsoxs fans this weekend in atlanta than braves fans and thats a shame and pathetic..
.all of them can hit for average…………….at least .285. Problem is the hit by turns…………….is like if they have shifts. This week chipper is off and its JF turn. Tonight CK had 3 hits I think, last night he came up in key situations as well as wednesday, I think he didnt come true, almost sure about that. Then there is Mc. They just keep putting base runners………..tons……….but as soon as they have the pitcher against the ropes, they run out of gas. (DO)
yeah it’s like we also have a hitting rotation to go along with the pitching rotation. Must be the new thing, Cubs and a few other clubs seem to be trying the same approach. Might need a bit more work.
I know i seem angry and your right I am, this is a joke that is being played out on that field and someone, more than one person, should be held accountable. It isn’t 1 year its been 3. It isn’t 2nd place but 4th, in our division. Then we keep seeing all the homers talk about winning the division or wild card. Look at the standings folks ….. we are not going anywhere. There are 10 teams in the NL better than we are. It isn’t my opinion – look at the standings. We are where we should be.
Doc Holiday, That last AB by Loaf was just stupid for a professional hitter. Knew a Fastball was coming after working the count full. Fouls off one, watches the second. The bad thing, the fastball was only topping out at 87. Sad Chipper did the same freakin thing. That must be a $h!t load of movement on 86-87 heat.
I will have to double check that list and make sure you don’t sneak a certain someone on it- he’s off limits!
June 26th, 200911:29 pm
Manny Acta with his best Bobby Cox impersonation:
“Take away those 8 runs and the kid had a decent outing”
June 26th, 200911:30 pm
There are definitely better options than Kotchman, but there are several guys who need to go first. He’s a pro, and can do a decent job until Freeman is ready. RF, LF, 2b, bench, and maybe 3b are the bigger priorities.
And by the way I am and admirer of Cox but the time has come as it does for every manager…
June 26th, 200911:31 pm
“How many names is Robert going to post under tonight, I wonder?”
I never post under any name but my own – nothing to hide.
I also dont get on Cox about his personal life.
Just got back from the game. This was the first one I’ve been to this year that, based on caps and jerseys, crowd cheering, et. al., I estimate Braves fans were outnumbered.
hhmmm, It has been going on a while. This year seems the worst yet. We don’t have a major injury to use as an alibi.
Other than that, I agree with you, hhmmm. If they don’t put something on the feild by ‘10, it’s time to blow it up.
June 26th, 200911:32 pm
hhmmm, if that is your real name. I felt that way too until I remembered what they did with Smoltz and Glavine.
I’d been saying that forever and it took me a while to realize it’s actually started happening but I’m ready for more. I feel the same way about Bobby as pretty much everyone else. I’m not going to trash him but it’s clearly time to hang it up.
The more ruthless the better. Frank Wren sucks. He probably made the right call on Glavine but the idea that he knows how to build a winning team has been officially debunked.
Jeff and Kelly need to go. I don’t care what we get for them, they’re done.
You mean McCann & Francoeur thought it best for Mac to drive while dizzy? (BOSSLADY)
LOL, read between the lines, Bosslady. McCann is a great player, but he ain’t exactly Mickey Mantle.
BTW, Hangover is a great movie.
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June 26th, 200911:33 pm
Win or lose – the intelligence level of the comments on the old blog are lowered to that of a bathroom wall for about ~1-2 hours after every game.
On that note, I’ll come back to read in a while when some of idiots go back to playing video games and watching porn.
you just sounded crabby so I thought maybe you were jealous of Sarah. (MIKE)
yeah, sometimes all the negative bloggers make me negative towards bloggers. I’ll get over it.
June 26th, 200911:36 pm
Can you say sweep. ATL just watched what true professional teams look and play like. Instead of 2 professional hitters, the SOX and Yanks have 9 pre playing, and then a possible 5 or so per on the bench.
One more thing on Chipper, he needs to own up to his responsibility for this team sucking instead of blaming everyone else but…
I agree there are more pressing needs but look at your list….it includes 4 starters….and I agree so what does that say about this team.If 4 of 8 starters need to be replaced who are we kidding but ourselves. The team is not good. Coach you win, blow the f%^&ing thing up.
Beckett was just too good for Chipper tonight……….he went after him and made him look bad.
Also as some have pointed out, the right side of our IF has given away half of the last 10 games we have lost. Ridiculous.
This team has look so bad that even JF and KJ have been able to get lost in the smoke. In other words………they have all zuked about the same…………. Chipper has zuked recently and Mc has not been as clutch lately either.
June 26th, 200911:37 pm
It isn’t 1 year its been 3. It isn’t 2nd place but 4th, in our division. (hhmmm)
could end up like the Pirates or Orioles. 12-14 good years followed by unending infamy. Nothing guarantees the Braves will always be winners, in fact the odds are against it.
Tom O – never mind
Jim, sorry, I’m trying to do what I’ve got to do and still keep up with the posts. I thought I was, but apparently, I’m not. (Didn’t understand “canneedd”, either. I know there’s a funny there, someplace.)
LAdy, if you’re worried about me putting the wrong person on the blow-up list, uh …the poison list, …. uh the party list, then by all means, please proofread it first. We all have confidence in your ability to do that.
Rob from SC
To be fair to Frank Wren, there are not many quality bats available. There are about ten teams in on Mark DeRosa. Frank Wren doesn’t need to overpay for 2 month rental. DeRosa is not a difference maker. Frank Wren is a smart guy. He knows this is not a playoff team. He needs to stay calm and wait for GM’s to call him. He will get calls on Vazquez, Soriano, Gonzalez. He might even field calls for Chipper Jones and Derek Lowe. We will find out within the next 6 weeks just what direction Frank Wren will decide to go. He might get blown away by trade offers and decide to rebuild. If teams offer Teixeira like deals for those players mentioned then he needs to sell. We are not a playoff team. Some players look disinterested. The pitchers are getting upset as they should be. This is not a buyers market.
You can say that I am a little pissed at chipper. Have been for the past 3 games.
June 26th, 200911:39 pm
If we do rebuild it will not be from scratch
Escobar, McCann, McLouth, Heyward, Freeman, Schafer, Hanson, Hudson, Medlen, Jurrjens. We are not that far away. We have pieces teams need. Time to take advantage of it.
June 26th, 200911:40 pm
please no I dont think mccann should play first.. Ned Yost , eddie perez . someone other than a tank job named frank wren and someone else .. this team needs new managment. man I went to a IL game tonight and wow the Rochester Redwings show more passion and fire than the whole Atlanta Braves team combined… there manager gets involved high 5′ing talkin to his players and making the correct calls with what he has to work with.. They steal and bunt and tonight pulled off a squeeze play and worked to profection…. The Twins know how to run a well oiled team and farm system..
Cox sold his soul to win the ‘95 world series.
He will never win anything else, ever again.
I am telling you…. If this piss arse offense don’t start putting up crooked numbers consistently… The starting pitching is going to shut down completely. Then we will start seeing 10-1, 12-0 games. Just from DOB on JJ… I think JJ is getting fed up.
June 26th, 200911:41 pm
The only thing I can say about Wren is he didn’t shy away from doing what he had to do with Smoltz and Glavine. Would this team truly be better with them on staff this year. As they say everyone wants the steak but nobody wants to kill the cow. He killed the cow and took the heat for it.
June 26th, 200911:42 pm
Rob from SC, Don’t be so quick to think Escobar will be part of a better Braves future.
Have been for the past 3 games. (Jason)
dude, the last three years combined he is first in BA, second in OBP and 3rd in Slugging in all of baseball, and you are pissed at him? Man you are a tough audience. You must have really hated the guy when he was 8th or tenth in most of those totals.
June 26th, 200911:43 pm
hhmmm, The quote of the night.
DOB, Jeff Bennett could learn a freaking lot from Jair Jurrjens.
JJ pitched much better tonight I thought than in recent games but he was pretty much all alone out there.
I know Frenchy made his little comment about this homestand being like seven away games and I’m sure they’re all pissed about the Yankees and Red Sox fans but I just wish somebody other than Jeff had said it.
To pitch like that, to get no run support and to have to hear thousands of people cheer when you give up a hit or a walk would have to be almost unbearable. He’s a unique human being.
I really do want somebody to put it out there and stick it to the fans. It’s frustrating in so many ways.
For JJ to pitch the way he does and have to endure the kind of **** he has to deal with is insanely admirable. That’s the best word for it.
Jeff Bennett will never pitch like him but he needs to start acting like him immediately.
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