2:57 pm June 26, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 26th, 20093:00 pm
He is going to have to pitch like he did in the final month last year if he wants to bring that ugly era down.
June 26th, 20093:02 pm
June 26th, 20093:03 pm
Are we going to see Prado in there again? Sure hope so…
June 26th, 20093:04 pm
Is KJ in the lineup or Prado? Please say Prado.
Thanks for the new Blog, Chief!
June 26th, 20093:05 pm
Hopefully Jurrjens can have a bounce back game. He hasn’t pitched as well as he did at the start of the year.
June 26th, 20093:06 pm
Crazy Trades McGee
The braves should trade Derek Lowe for Jason Marquis
tale of woe
June 26th, 20093:09 pm
Take Frenchy and the Crotch out of the line-up and I liked what we put out there last night. Hopefully Bobby will be as creative tonight. We are going to need to score lots of runs this weekend
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June 26th, 20093:10 pm
34-38. 90 games of the season to go, but that isn’t the number that should concern you bloggers. 31 is. That is the number of games until the trading deadline. i bet Franklin Wren will listen to what I have been sayin:
Get back prospects that can help in 2010 and beyond.
June 26th, 20093:11 pm
June 26th, 20093:12 pm
The Truth Why would you trade Gonzo or Soriano? We would have absolutely no pen…
WHEN IS FRANK WREN GOING TO REALIZE THAT THE PLAYERS AREN’T THE MAIN PROBLEM?
THE ONLY CONSTANT THROUGHOUT THE LAST 3 1/2 YEARS IS BOBBY COX. WHEN IS BOBBY COX’S JOB GOING TO COME INTO QUESTION?
DOB, ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO ANSWER THE QUESTION? PROBABLY NOT, WUSS!
The Truth, you are aware how many games back the Braves are, right?
June 26th, 20093:13 pm
Barrington, hmmm…Cox was a constant from 1991-2005 and the Braves did just fine. How long have you been watching baseball? Five minutes?
Barrington, actually the only constant thing throughout has been Jeff Francouer.
June 26th, 20093:14 pm
Like I said last night, I expect the Braves to be swept by the Red Sox this weekend, before bouncing back to take 2 of 3 from the Phillies.
Kotchman is playing. To great of defense. Francouer should play given that he has been producing of late.
I am going the same as last night, even with KJ starting. At least KJ can advance the runner with a bunt.
How would you like it if someone made jokes about your dead dad or brother? You’re an indiot and I hope you burn in hell, as*sshole!
June 26th, 20093:15 pm
Any chance Yunel makes it as a backup?
Rollings and Reyes haven’t had “their usual type seasons” so far.
Ramirez is a lock, looking at the NL Central…nobody stands out. NL West…Tulowitski, Furcal?
Yunel stacks up against anyone else not named Ramirez in stats.
Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux were constant, Bobby was along for the ride. Baseball teams with those 3 could win without even having a manager.
tommy hanson fan
June 26th, 20093:16 pm
we overrate the braves talent..or at least i have
I hope Prado gets in the lineup. He’s ready to take over the everyday 2b position. Trade KJ for middle relief help now.
June 26th, 20093:17 pm
I’ve been here for ALL the division titles. You must be an individual who doesn’t think managing skills have the possibility to decline? What you can do at 25, you probably won’t be able to do at 75! My point is his managing skills have declined.
can Cox get ejected early and start a fire for this lack of hitting team like Giradi did for the Yanks? My lord, that awoke the lion. we’ll be lucky to win a game in this series.
Patron Saint of the Lost Art
June 26th, 20093:18 pm
Umm Barrington, most journalists have to use something called “tact” during interviews…though this idea is lost on many bloggers here.
June 26th, 20093:19 pm
hey Shaun – who cares how many games back the Braves are? The Mutts will get Reyes, Delgado and Beltran back within the month and the Phillies will get Ibanez back. Who are the Braves getting back? Jeffrey “punch a wall cuz it don’t hit back” Bennett? It don’t matter cuz the Braves will be back further than that in 3 weeks. Franklin Wren will make the right move.
Wayne in Utah
You need to lay off the caffeine, brother!
Barrington (and others)
The Caps Lock key is not cruise control for cool.
Also, you have some real quality ideas – lets get the Braves’ beat writer to attack the manager of the team he is covering. Sounds like a great plan for everyone involved.
Go bump another line and have a nice weekend!
June 26th, 20093:20 pm
Bennett should’ve hit KJ, then you would’ve had 2 players down in DL. start Prado asap. any eta on Infante yet? 2 weeks left?
No kidding, MiltonDawg…Before ejection 0 runs in 14 1/3 innings… After ejection, 19 runs in 12 2/3 innings.
June 26th, 20093:22 pm
Wayne – You need to lay off the caffeine, brother!
You comment wasn’t directed at me, but I admit it… I’m a coffee junkie. Too many long nights trying to get work done… love coffee.
June 26th, 20093:23 pm
Barrington, how do you determine that his managing skills have declined so much that he’s no longer capable of being a major league manager? Obviously the team hasn’t acquired players as talented as the ones they acquired in the glory days. So how do we know that this isn’t the culprit for the Braves not winning a division title since 2005 and that it’s all Bobby Cox?
I just believe Cox deserves to be here as long as he wants to be and as long as players still have the utmost respect and admiration for him.
If Cox were that bad a manager, it would be obvious to more than a fringe crowd. Horrible strategic managers don’t reach and stay in the big leagues. Managers simply don’t make that much of a difference. If they are so bad that they do make a huge difference, they never reach the big leagues in the first place.
exactly chucktown- i need cox kicking dirt or throwing bats and gatorade coolers on the field. but, do you think our players will actually get the message?
OK, so Girardi gets tossed (on purpose). It lights a fire under some of his players. What happened when those players woke up the next day to find that their manager faked that ejection to get them fired up.
If that were me, I would be a tad bit ashamed of my professionalism.
June 26th, 20093:24 pm
From Previous Blog…
You can’t really go from being a closer to starter in the middle of a season. Would need to stretch out your arm for the additional innings required.
Those are two different things. No one is suggesting that Hudson could be a closer on Monday and start on Wednesday – but if the Braves got halfway through the season and had major injuries to the rotation and the pen seems alright, they could send him down to the minors for 10-15 days and stretch him out. You’d have to figure that if he’s been throwing all season he’d be OK to go 3 innings (on rest) in the first minor league start, then 5 days later stretch him out to 4 innings, then 5 days later stretch him to 5 innings, then give him a start. I’m not saying that it would be easy or that its anything more than in “in case of emergency break glass” situation, but it wouldn’t be the first time that was done.
June 26th, 20093:26 pm
If the shoe fits….
“The braves should trade Derek Lowe for Jason Marquis”
It is taking a lot of will power right now to not reporting this comment. Such blatent use of profanity will not be tolerated. Kiss your mother with that mouth?
June 26th, 20093:27 pm
hey Shaun –
why don’t you respond. That’s cuz you know it to be true. The Braves will be more than 4 games back by the All star break and Franklin Wren will field calls for the TWO BEST relief pitchers on the market!
I hope the Prado is in good enough shape to see the exact same lineup as last night. We should find out here pretty soon….what’s the word DOB?
This is to all the idiots still drinking the Bobby Cox koolaid,
Bobby Cox IS the problem with this team. The Braves need to go in a different direction. In sports, there comes a time when managers and players must leave. NOW is the time for Cox to leave. It just is. I’m sorry that so many of you want Cox to manage unti he’s 90 but I’m a realist. To anyone with proper prospective, it’s obvious that Cox needs to go. Stop being delusional!
June 26th, 20093:29 pm
So it wasn’t Bobby that had anything to do with all those good seasons, between 1991 and 2005, huh. BUT, when the wheels fall off, it is all Bobby’s fault now??
When a team wins, it’s the players, but when a team loses, it’s the manager. Think I heard that one before….
The Braves Beat with Rick Springfield
June 26th, 20093:30 pm
The sky is falling … the Reds have traded for the Corky Miller
I thought I saw him working at Lowe’s last weekend.
rob from SC (Yunel Escobar's Muscle)
I like what your thinking but would make some adjustments for Frank Wren
1. Trade Derek Lowe
2. Offer Soriano/Gonzalez contract extensions and sign the first one to accept the offer. Then you can trade the other one.
I would love to re-sign both but that is not possible with our limited payroll.
I think Vazquez is the better pitcher for the next 3 years than Lowe. I like the fact that he can strikeout the opposition when in a jam.
We don’t need to acquire rental player. Acquire top prospects that can make an impact by the end of 2010.
Heading down to the ol ballfield for tonights game. After going 5 and 0 in my first 5 at turner field, I am 0 and 2 including last nights loss. Need to get back to our winning ways but will be really tough against beckett. Go Braves!
Hahaha @ Michael Jackson’s post. Very nice!
June 26th, 20093:31 pm
I hope Yunel gets to make the all-star team. His numbers stack up with any SS in the NL and that includes Hanley Ramirez.
If our players’ love for Bobby makes them willing to run through a brick wall for him, why aren’t they willing (or able) to play the game with intelligence from one day to the next?
That’s the problem with this team.
Do you get any sense about what the Braves are planning with regards to Soriano or Gonzo as far as closing next year?
Anyone expecting a contract extension to one, followed by a trade of the other?
DOB better hope that D-Lowe is blissfully unaware of The Curse of DOB or else he might just get knocked the hell out next time he sees him.
Why don’t we just let the team play out the next few weeks, and I suspect things will become more clear on whether we should be buyers or sellers. I have no problem with it either way.
June 26th, 20093:32 pm
You’re making some BIG assumptions about everyone who posts on this blog. Some people support Cox and want him to mange into the future, others (like me) are ready for the Braves to go in a new direction management-wise.
That being said, the decision is not going to be made until the offseason – why get your panties in a twist in June? Besides, Cox might very well be brought back next year. I don’t agree with him being at the helm in 2010, but its possible he will be… so be prepared.
After all, Bobby has always been a stickler for his teams playing the game the right way. This team does not do that. This is a disconnect that needs to be addressed.
The Truth, actually I don’t know it to be true. Braves could be two games out, they could be eight games out. Who knows?
Barrington, It’s very easy for you to throw out your thoughts and not back it up with anything resembling evidence to support the fact that Bobby Cox has declined so much that he shouldn’t be a major league manager. How about using his overall track record and his reputation among virtually everyone in baseball who has been around him instead of relying on your own ideas which you haven’t dug into very well.
June 26th, 20093:34 pm
The ideal lineup for tonight:
Jordan Schafer (CF)
Loaf Anderson (LF)
I could see your heads explode from here.
Hey Supes,I have been asking the same question about Escabor and why the Braves have not been pushing him for the ALSGame.If you look at stats there are only 2 shortstops in NL playing better,the guy in Fla and Tejada in Houston.Escabor numbers are better than Chipper’s.I guess it’s Personality over Production.The poor guy is already underpaid,at least they ought to promote him for the ALSTAR TEAM.
June 26th, 20093:35 pm
Dude. Are you thick or what? We got it the first 17588421528431244 times you posted that exact same thing. We know how you feel. We haven’t forgotten in the last hour since you last told us. It’s time for a new hobby. I have some suggestions if you can’t think of anything.
Chop Chop Good observation.
Dmack: I think you’re also onto something.
rob in SC I really think it will be hard to deal a guy like Lowe with his contract. Besides, we got him to be our #1 this year, and a strong 2/3 in years to come. Why should an average start this year change things?
C’mon DOB, you should have honored the King of Pop today with your daily music selection.
June 26th, 20093:36 pm
Lowe gave up 7 runs to the worst team in the AL. MFin
I hope by the worst team in the AL you don’t mean Baltimore. Baltimore is only 2 games worse than us and they play in a much stronger division…If they’re the worst team in the AL, then perhaps we’re the worst in all of baseball….
June 26th, 20093:37 pm
Burdell – they could send him down to the minors for 10-15 days and stretch him out.
Can’t do that without putting him on waivers.
I think you forgot Woodward, no? Or is he coming off the bench as the late inning pinch hitter?
June 26th, 20093:38 pm
June 26th, 20093:40 pm
The Yankees manager gets some credit for the offensive “explosion” by getting ejected. But you gotta admit there was some pretty crappy pitching involved, too.
June 26th, 20093:42 pm
Those who are pushing the panic button on Derek Lowe since he got shellacked last night for the second time in three starts, you might want to pause a moment and consider his history. Last season with the Dodgers, he went through a four-game stretch in May where he was 0-3 with a 9.28 ERA and .345 opponents’ average. After that four-game stretch of 0-3 with a 9.28 ERA, he was 12-7 with a 2.49 and .223 ERA in 24 starts for the remainder of the season, with 108 strikeouts and 28 walks.
Thanks DOB, proves the point I was trying to make last night to Mike, who was brainwashed by his Dodger fan friend…
June 26th, 20093:43 pm
Beckett will eat Atlanta up again….BANK ON IT! We will easily take 2 from 3, and probably sweep. We really need to take advantage of below average NL teams like the Braves and I hope the Mets can handle the Yanks. If not for Dice-K’s meltdown in Boston and Kawekami’s nice start, we would’ve swept the Braves.
couldn’t agree more that Escobar should be an All-Star. If not for his production, at least for his acting talents. I’ve seen him turn 2 foul balls into HBP this year by faking out the homeplate ump. He’s bringing that soccer crap to the MLB. Glad he does it for our team, I would probably hate him otherwise.
Steve from OH
rob, what makes you think a team would trade for Lowe when they could’ve signed him in the offseason? If a team wasn’t willing to meet his price in the offseason, why would they take on his contract now AND give away quality minor league pieces? Makes no sense.
June 26th, 20093:44 pm
RHR, you’re suprised at the level of density on the blog? Are you new here? LOL!
June 26th, 20093:45 pm
VaBravesfan I remember a pitch that was an obvious strike that ended up being called a ball which eventually led to a run in the inning and possibly the game for Atlanta. Reminds me of the throwout of Beltran at 3rd by Mccann that wasn’t called which led to an Atlanta loss.
Kelly will start tonight. In case you guys haven’t noticed, Bobby’s been going with a platoon.
It will be interesting to see if Escobar is in the lineup because of his hip…
we blog and talk about the braves here, but it seems we are the only one that seems to care about the VERY iddiotic decisions Bobby Cox makes, and the stupid way this team playes this game!!!! this is a VERY VERY VERY dumb Baseball team!! the question i want to know is : when is the GM, “Team President” going to ever be made accountable for the VERY DUMB team!!!! all we get from them is “NO COMMENT”
Chris Woodward is on the bench with Andruw and Pete Orr. I’ve also got Mark Redman, Reitsma, Tyler Yates, Wickman, and Jorge Sosa on the team. I’m tempted to throw Julio Franco on there with them. While not a whipping boy per se, he does catch a lot of grief about being 60.
I think Corky Miller being traded for is one of the signs of the apocalypse. We are all doomed!
June 26th, 20093:47 pm
We are all frustrated with the way the Braves have played for the last 4 years. Bobby Cox and Terry Pendleton have been in charge for those 4 years. Over the next five to seven years are key players are going to be (McCann, Escobar, Heyward, Freeman, Hanson, McLouth, Schafer, Jurrjens). These are all young players. It might be time for a change and get a younger voice in the clubhouse. I beliieve Chipper Jones has a lot to do with the business like approach that our players show during the game. I want the young players to play with excitement and passion. That is how we all played the game through high school. I would rather suffer through a few down seasons instead of continuing to delay the inevitable. I believe Frank Wren knows what needs to be done. Chipper Jones might be willing to accpet a trade to a winner during the offseason. We did not thrive as a team until we traded Dale Murphy. Maybe the same thing needs to be done with Chipper. He looks horrible at third base, and his power is declining. If he stays, he can’t be our best player.
So Beckett’s going against the Braves tonight. I think this is the perfect night to catch Transformers on the IMAX screen. I hope I’m surprised when I get home but……..
June 26th, 20093:48 pm
June 26th, 20093:49 pm
“Beckett will eat Atlanta up again….BANK ON IT! We will easily take 2 from 3, and probably sweep.”
probably sweep? have some balls and come out and predict a sweep you sissy
Burdell nice line-up. I think your team and the Nationals in the NLCS.
Red Sox Nation,
When did you jump on the Boston bandwagon? Before or after “Fever Pitch”?
June 26th, 20093:50 pm
Remember when Mets fans B***** about Chipper’s comments on Citi Field…
June 26th, 20093:51 pm
Hudson is on the DL so he could pitch in the minors as a rehab assignment.
Steve from OH
First off, Lowe might of had a list of teams he wanted to sign with. As a free agent he had all the power. Also teams are closing in on the playoffs. They might be willing to take a chance like we did with Teixeira. In all fairness Steve, you have no idea how other teams view Lowe. He has proven throughout his career that he is a solid post season force. The Dodgers, Brewers, Cardinals (because of injuries, Mets, Phillies, Yankees, Tigers, White Sox, Angels, Rangers all need pitching
June 26th, 20093:52 pm
Come on Ryan Langerhans should at least start in center.
p.S—) we deserve a lot more than “NO COMMENT” its no surprise to see boston in town: it is also easy to see the differences in the quality between the two organizations cant we?
June 26th, 20093:53 pm
If we could somehow trade Lowe, then we can make a huge offer for Jason Bay. We need a powerful right handed bat to pair with our young left handed sluggers.
June 26th, 20093:54 pm
I like the idea of offering Soriano and Gonzo contract extensions before trading them. First one to sign, stays. The other – can be used for a trade.
Haven’t seen much comment on that “other” pitcher who left the Braves and is now pitching for another team. 5 IP, 7 Hits, 5 ER and 1 BB and 5 K’s. ERA of 9.00. Arm did not fall off (yet).
Again, it is only one start, but…..
Even Hanson stunk it up his first time out this year.
June 26th, 20093:55 pm
Funny you metion bandwagon fans when your own stadium can’t even draw 25,000-30,000 people if the Red Sox or Yankees are in town. That to me sounds like a bunch of bandwagon fans that only show up when the team is winning. Face it, the Braves are a well below average team and have been for going on 4 years now. There are so many holes in that lineup and the pitching is average at best that it will be years before they are even a average team. Chipper Jones is no more than a singles hitter and….well, that’s about it outside of McCann. Nothing really to talk about.
I doubt we’ll trade the “best 2″ free agent relief pitchers on the market. We could, but I have a feeling we keep them and if they walk we take the draft picks to further restock our minors system. There currently isn’t anyone else on the team or organization that is a reliable reliever. I think Wren takes his chances on resigning one of the 2 (especially with the weak market for relievers last offseason), and gets a compensatory draft pick for the other. However, he could package one of them in a Francouer/KJ trade to sweeten the pot if either don’t raise their trade value by that time, but I’m just not ready to look that far into the future just yet.
rob from SC -
As well as Bay is performing, I doubt we will compete for his services in the FA market.
Are you new here? LOL!
HA! I just didn’t want to be totally rude and say “dude, STFU already” … but that’s next.
June 26th, 20093:56 pm
lee, glad to see you brought your “A” game with you. Very insightful. I especially liked your “its no surprise to see boston in town” comment. Profound. More, please.
Dave, hopefully Lowe will get himself straightened out. His pitching has been brutal to watch of late.
That would be pretty sad if the Braves have only one All Star. It reminds me of the 1980s Braves, when only Dale Murphy used to go every year.
At the beginning of this homestand, I was hoping we would play well, and get back into the race. Losing two of three to the Yankees really hurt. Now, it seems like we will be lucky to be a 500 team.
The Braves really need to win five of the next six against the Phillies and Sox to make a statement, and to have any chance. (Not likely, considering how they looked this week) I hate to say it, we may be looking toward next year by the time early July rolls around.
rob in SC
I guess you can go on wishin and hopin, but that is about all trading Lowe will work out to.
I really think you should look at the history of signed players. When have you seen something similar to that happen??? Just don’t see it, my friend.
June 26th, 20093:57 pm
RHR – you have to remember that some people like me are so stupid we dare to disagree with the Truth, but I think that after another 17588421528431244 posts, I may start coming around.
I agree that if Gonzalez and Soriano are deemed Type A free agents then it might be worth holding on to them through the season. However, As a GM you need to do your job and see what is out there. Soriano/Gonzalez have the ability to alter a divisional race.
June 26th, 20093:58 pm
Funny you metion bandwagon fans when your own stadium can’t even draw 25,000-30,000 people if the Red Sox or Yankees are in town. That to me sounds like a bunch of bandwagon fans that only show up when the team is winning
No RedSoxNation, those weren’t bandwagon Braves fans, those were out of market Yankee fans, who are probably bandwagaon fans. Same should hold true this weekend.
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