3:48 pm June 25, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 25th, 200911:57 pm
jason… I agree completely. He’s been in the game long enough to have grown up by now. I love his bat. He’s clutch at the plate, but he’s costing us runs in the field and that is simply unacceptable at this level. What about a move to RF? Surely he can chase some balls down out there. And can you imagine that arm in RF? I mean Francoeur isnt the answer out there… why not Yunel?
June 25th, 200911:58 pm
Infante will be my super utility man. He seems to be perfect for that role.
I think when you start talking rotations you need 2 power arms on the staff. You have to have strike out pitchers to overcome jams and defensive lapses. I like next year to go with Vasquez as my Ace followed by JJ, Hanson, Lowe and either KK or Huddy.
Next years lineup
big bat LF
June 25th, 200911:59 pm
AndrUw Jones is having himself a game tonight. Would that be some kind of PR move if Wren got him back from Texas…figuring Wren chose to depart with Smoltz and Glavine? I agree with the moves, but I’m not sure the casual fan does….I wonder what Smotlz would say about that move…
Interesting enough, if it were to happen, a Frenchy for AJ swap would actually decrease our payroll and raise Texas’. We’d have to provide Texas some pitching I’m sure (wow, where am I going with this?) but Texas wouldn’t need Jones when Hamilton comes back and French and Jaramillo could reunite their offseason extravaganza. Byrd is playing pretty well for them also. They certainly have what we lack. What is in this beer?
I’m not going to bother watching the highlights other than on braves.com but you would hope that somebody out there (SC, Baseball Tonight, MLB) might keep in perspective that we had a shut out through the first 14 innings of this series.
I can’t imagine anybody could honestly believe Girardi getting himself tossed last night had anything to do with the way this thing ended.
This isn’t really bothering me as much as some games or series we’ve lost this year but it’s just such a rip-off. It wasn’t really a fair fight. I realize D-Lowe is supposed to be the ace but his performance didn’t really suprise me tonizzight.
June 26th, 200912:00 am
Oh, and please, PLEASE knock it off with the Bobby Cox bashing….enough! He’s not the problem. The problem is the bone headed BS going out on the field and the $15M man, Lowe, who’s supposed to stop the bleeding, can’t even get past the 3rd inning. How is that Bobby’s fault. You want me to tell you what the problem is? The problem is that there isn’t a true, legit, bonafied leader on this team. Chi…Chipper fu**** Jones?! Are you kidding! Dude has the IQ and personality of a fish! How is that a leader? McCann would be a great one but Chipper intimidates him to become anything more than one of the “Baby Braves”. Could be wrong, but that’s how I feel.
Be patient fans. This team will be really good next year once a few rotten eggs are gone and Mac takes over as team leader. Bobby will be forgiven and make you morons look flat out silly when he brings another division title to Hot-Lanta! Not in ‘09 though.
Jman, I see Escobar shifting to 3B eventually. With the consistent increase in power from year to year, he would be great there. I keep Francouer for the remainder of his contract. By then Heyward would be ready to take over.
With Lowe, Kawakami, Hudson, Hanson and Medlen next year the Braves could command a ton for Vazquez this season. Plus it frees up $11 million to sign a real bat in the offseason.
June 26th, 200912:01 am
A Jones is hitting .171 in June no thanz
June 26th, 200912:02 am
How come after every win people want to trade for this-or-that player, and after every loss people want rid of every player on the team?
DOB where are you
June 26th, 200912:03 am
Your friend is half right. I think he forgets the bad outings in LA. True Lowe is an off and on pitcher…but I don’t think he’s done,and I don’t think he’s been any worse during this bad stretch than the ones he had here in LA.
Its because the braves are so inconsistent
June 26th, 200912:04 am
I said that about 4 times tonight. No one could stop Escobar for shouting BS…but Chipper sure could’ve went over there and calmed him down.
June 26th, 200912:05 am
DOB is rubbing out Prado’s groin. He wants to see the lineup more often, so he can show Bobby the reason why the lineup “met his approval” today.
June 26th, 200912:06 am
June 25th, 2009
Next years lineup
Schafer CF SAME
Escobar SS 2B Prado
Jones 3b RF McLouth
big bat LF 3B Jones
Mclouth RF LF SAME
Mcann C C McCann
Infante 2b SS Escobar
Kotchman 1b 1B Kotchman
I am going to have to disa gree with your line up for next year. Tweak it a lil bit. SS and 2B can be interchangable considering on who is hot, and whether or not Infante is starting.
Mike, agreed to a point. Bobby does make some bone headed moves but he is getting bashed for having to deal with a few misfits that are the brunt of a lot of losses here. I’m not quite ready to write off Atlanta in ‘09 yet. But, I agree that a few series losses to Boston/Philly might be too much to overcome for this group. We shall see, but like you said, they’re gonna HAVE to make some adjustments on Beckett tomorrow or he’ll throw another goose egg at us.
That’s why I think the Braves don’t need to worry about a 3B prospect..Yunel could play 3rd fine if they found a Shortstop from w/in or out….and he can still play SS if they found a 3rd baseman,
June 26th, 200912:07 am
for ALL you knuckle draggers that think this team can match up to the yankees or the red sox shut up.
they have professionals. we have a a guy, talented, that pouts at shorstop.
this team will finish nine under .500.
their defense is boardline hideous.
yeah, that is bobby’s fault.
June 26th, 200912:08 am
Jason you have Mclouth 2 times
June 26th, 200912:09 am
Good starting pitching is a rare commodity. I hold on to Vasquez until I know Huddy is 100% back. That would be next years all star game at the least. I am not hurrying to rid Vasquez. Now if an overwhelming bat was there to be had? Then it will get interesting.
all i Know is we need a BIG BAT in the outfield next year
June 26th, 200912:10 am
No I don’t. I tried to place mine next to your but it didn’t work out. it kind of got muddled into yours. LOL !!!
“Smoltz ruffed up pitching tonight – he retires early and comes back to manage Atlanta.” NO MORE BOBBY
That sentense reminds me of Major League II, where Roger Dorn shows up (he’s the ex-player, turned GM/Owner), and opens his jacket and has the Indians uniform on underneith and states: “I’ve activated myself!”
Because you know that that is EXACTLY what Smoltz would do.
this is how the otherside lived for 14 years.
we played them and beat them.
we are now on the other side of the coin. get used to it.
Bobby’s Cox’s— no, his sinker has been anything but a “sinker” in his last few outings. My buddy pointed that out and the fact that his control, even in some bad LA outings, wasn’t anything like he saw tonight. Sure, the Yankees are heating up right now, but how many guys did he even get ahead of and the ones he did usually beat him anyways. I told him this had been going on for a couple of outings and thought maybe the guy is done. Lets hope not, but he is 36, people.
Where do you guys live im in New York
June 26th, 200912:11 am
As you might imagine, Lowe took all the blame and said it’s even more frustrating given the state of the bullpen after KK had to leave last night’s game early, etc.
“Terrible, three in a row,” said Lowe, who is 0-3 with a 12.34 ERA in his past three starts, including a quality start Saturday at Boston against Josh Beckett, not that Lowe was in any mood to split hairs over the level of his performance in that loss.
“Especially after yesterday’s game, when our starter goes three innings, today was just a debacle. We’ve got a chance to win a series for the first time in a long time, and I go out and get shelled for the second time in three starts.”
Family Guy is on
June 26th, 200912:12 am
Brave4life, In al seriouness, and I know I am going to get booed on here. I also know that I have blasted him, but I am going to hang on to Francouer until Heyward is ready. You won’t get anything for him in a trade, and he is still young. If we don’t get the power bat, I plug him in RF and batting 7th. He seems to be slightly improving there. Not a lot of pressure to drive in runs.
June 26th, 200912:13 am
N8, That is so true about Smoltzie.
June 26th, 200912:14 am
dont give me the bobby crap. this team, is not a team.
they have parts. none equal up to a team worthy of bobby to manage.
bobby deserves better, he treats his players like men.
uga-brave— first of all, you shutup and learn how to spell or lay off the Jack Daniels….or both. You sound like an arrogant little prick that needs his butt beat! You also failed to mention that the Yankees and Red Sox have an UNBELIEVABLE payroll that puts Atlanta’s to shame. Grow up and shutup. And NO, we don’t have to get used to it because this team will be back to form in 2010 when a few things get sorted out and Hanson grows a year stronger.
June 26th, 200912:15 am
Bobby Cox, Francoeur and others said Lowe’s sinker wasn’t sinking, and that’s what happens against lineup like that when that happens.
Lowe, however, said it’s not just his sinker, but also lack of command on his off-speed pitches. He said against an AL lineup like the Yankees or Orioles, you’ve got to command your off-speed pitches.
He doesn’t know what the problem is, but said he’s going to have to do a lot of work in the next five days to figure out what he’s doing wrong, what’s causing his pitches to move (or not move) the way they have recently.
Said he’ll look at tape of what he did right last year when he was pitching at his best with the Dodgers.
June 26th, 200912:16 am
“Even the mighty DOB questioned that you can consider that a series.” jeffrey d
Yeah. Because DOB and I see eye to eye on so much. On the schedule, “technically” it’s series victory. I didn’t say a word about “perception” or how they’ve been playing.
How could I argue there? Again, not really arguing about whether that could be considered a series or not. I was calling you out for comparing it to us winning other “series” this season, or sarcastically saying we should just “say” that we won the 96 and 99 WS.
Sarcasm aside (and I got it), it’s not a good comparison. I’m sure you could do better.
rob, thanks for the correction on winter league. I was thinking that’s where DOB traveled to see him with Wren and Bobby, but that must have been in the AFL games, huh?
Either way, my point was to take it easy on the kid. But it is good to know he did have a few months off.
Francoeur said what’s frustrating was that the Braves are only four games out of first because the Phillies have been so bad lately, and the Braves failed to take advantage.
The Phillies have dropped 10 of 12 to keep the Braves within four games of the division lead in spite of it all.
“We could be two games back and we haven’t taken advantage of opportunities,” Francoeur said. “We’ve got to turn the page, because we’ve got Beckett coming to town.”
June 26th, 200912:17 am
DOB, Lowe looked a little off tonight. I though at first that he was not getting the low strike. I felt that way in his start against Beckett. Even in that start he threw a lot of pitches. He pitches to contact, but he goes to a lot of 3-2 counts.
June 26th, 200912:18 am
Jason, i can agree with you. Francouer looks like he is improving, but we have seen that at times. Heyward is in A advanced i wanr him to go through the system the right way, i want him up ready as a major leaguer. I would say 2011
June 26th, 200912:19 am
It’s all such a coiencedence that Frenchy can comment on other players when he’s actually getting a few hits, but when he’s struggling, which is often, quotes from Frenchy are very rare. MMMMMM
June 26th, 200912:20 am
ss i meant 2b
Well, the broken glass is still laying there on Pryor Street from the cars that had their windows busted out Monday. Reminds me of the Grandmaster Flash song:
Broken glass everywhere
People pissing on the stairs, you know they just don’t care
I can’t take the smell, I can’t take the noise no more
Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice
Rats in the front room, roaches in the back
Junkie’s in the alley with a baseball bat
I tried to get away, but I couldn’t get far
‘Cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car
Don’t push me cause I’m close to the edge
I’m trying not to lose my head, ah huh-huh-huh
It’s like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
It’s like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
no comment. sorry to get your dander up.
but i am correct.
June 26th, 200912:21 am
N8, yes, it was Arizona Fall League that I traveled to the past two Novembers. Haven’t been to a winter league game since about 1995 or 1996, when I went to Puerto Rico to see a bunch of Marlins prospects, who were assigned to a team in Ponce back then (yes, Javy Lopez’s hometown).
Saw and talked to Roberto Alomar after he played in a winter ball game down there, back when he was one of the best players in the majors. A lot of the Puerto Rican players would go back and play in the winter, just as Venezuela and Dominican players do in their winter leagues.
N8 – Sorry, teach…I’ll try harder next time.
uga-brave— uhhhhh, no you’re not.
Brave4life, I agree. How much longer on Francouer’s contract. I was thinking 2011 at the earliest for Heyward. I saw you mention Johnson. I think he will be a trade piece down the road. From what I have read on the blog is that he has a ton of power, but Ks a lot. Kind of like a 1B ATL had way back when, Ron Wright. Traded him to PITT, and never heard from him again.
June 26th, 200912:22 am
Mike, I agree about Lowe’s sinker. He’s not a good pitcher when his sinker’s not bottoming out. But, I have a hard time believing a guy who started off so hot this year (as he did in LA) hit a wall and is now done. I saw many, many of Lowe’s games with the Dodgers. They’re the local team where I live. It’s either mechanics, an injury, or he’s just plain ol’ tired. I don’ t think Lowe is done…In fact, I don’t even think Lowe pitched that bad today. The Yanks had some nice hits. Arod’s HR was on a sinker low and away (good movement looking at the replay), Damon’s double was a double play waiting to happen, but damon did a nice job pulling his hands in and hitting it hard down the line. Again, tip your cap today. Lowe did not look like a pitcher that was finished tonight….His pitches still had the movement, but he was a victim of a Yankee team coming alive and a few pitches that didn’t break.
June 26th, 200912:24 am
Bobby’s Cox, If anything Lowe has had to much movement lately. Kind of don’t know where the ball is going.
June 26th, 200912:25 am
2day myrtle beach bravesgame
Freeman 3-5 2 doubles .317
Heyward 2-4 HR(10) .294
Johnson 1-4 .274
best 2-3-4 punch
Who won the tool race tonight?
Also, the Yanks have true professional hitters like Jeter and Damon. They will go the other way alot.
I don’t think it’s time for sell mode yet but we definitely have to ply better than we have the past two night if we have any shot of winning. I really liked the lineup tonight and I think it should remain like that. McCann needs a rest tonight would have been a bood time for that with a lefty on the mound. If we can’t put together some kind of extended win streak or pull any closer by the deadline I say we sell.
I Frank Wren at the deadline and we’re 8 games out.
Trade Javier Vazquez to the Cubs for Josh Vitters and 2 other mid level prospects.
Trade Derek Lowe and cash to the Rangers for Justin Smoak
Trade Jeff Francoeur, Kelly Johnson and Mike Gonzalez to the Rays for Desmond Jennings, Jacob McGee and Reid Bringac
Greg in TN
June 26th, 200912:26 am
A few thoughts after strolling up from 755 Hank Aaron Drive tonight.
Pettite had a great changeup tonight. He threw it early and often and consistently got it over for strikes. Lowe was up in the zone and out over the plate, something that can’t be done when the opposition is Fort Knox The Bronx.
Another night of defensive lapses. Escobar had a couple errors tonight and could have been charged with a third and Chipper had a diving stop, but also was charged with an error late. The Yankees had some issues with some fly balls in the field tonight which could have been because of the lack of backlighting in center.
Really liked the night turned in by Manny Acosta tonight. B-Mac struggled for much of the night tonight, but hopefully his 9th inning homer puts him back on track.
Donell Linares kids doing pretty good
June 26th, 200912:27 am
Brave4life, I am not arguing but how many minor leaguers have great careers there but disapear when called up. Those 3 may well be that good, but will be lucky to 2 pan out. I am just saying those 2 will be Freeman and Heyward. My opinion.
June 26th, 200912:28 am
Time to switch back to the contacts and ride the bike home. Nice night for a fast ride up I-85.
June 26th, 200912:30 am
well that sucks.
well the french is at least coherent lately.
guys we dont have enough steaks in the freazer, to compete with the yanks, or the sox. PERIOD.
THEY are better.
the sox are better.
Good point. Funny, because that’s the feeling I get every time I watch Moylan pitch.
Steve from OH
Bobby’s–my money would be on A-Rod…perhaps Chamberlain as runner-up.
June 26th, 200912:32 am
Wouldn’t do that DOB the police are cracking down! Several people were pulled over on my way home from work.
June 26th, 200912:33 am
Bobby’s Cox, I am not saying the umps are screwing Lowe. Some umps will not call a low strike. Seems when he didn’t get the low strike , he would come up and the sinker would flatten out and move latteral as some Braves said was happening tonight.
Glad you got the message, Braveheart.
Well off to bed. Work tomorrow. I will try to catch . Later.
June 26th, 200912:35 am
Greg in TN,
Pettitte threw 95 pitches tonight in 3.2 IP. He was awful. The Braves couldn’t get any runs off the Yanks’ bullpen. I’m not sure why they couldn’t, but that ended up being the difference tonight.
June 26th, 200912:37 am
braves are now three games behind the marlins.
they have won 5 straight. questions or comments?
June 26th, 200912:38 am
“N8 – Sorry, teach…I’ll try harder next time.” jeffrey d
See. That’s the spirit.
I don’t know Steve, Chamberlain’s got junk in that trunk. I don’t think he could ever finish runner up with all that baggage… But yes, ARod brought all the tools tonight.
June 26th, 200912:39 am
chime in, when was the last time the braves won six stright?
Bring Me the Head of Francisco Cabrera
June 26th, 200912:41 am
Dave, your story online says Pettitte got the win. That cannot be.
I believe Aceves was awarded the win, correct?
Linares was my sleeper pick this season in the minors. My only issue with him this season is he doesn’t walk much but he very rarely Ks. I see him making a Yunel type jump since he’s already 25.
Well, I wish I could share wonderful observations about tonight’s game, but unfortunately I can’t. I made the terrible mistake of getting an aisle seat in the upper deck. What a nightmare. Maybe there were a few thousand folks attending their first ever baseball game, so let me explain some proper ballpark etiquette.
Go to the bathroom between innings.
Go to stuff your fat face between innings.
Go to destroy your liver with alcohol between innings.
Go to destroy your lungs with cigarette breaks between innings.
Only return to your seats between innings.
What a bunch of friggin’ tards in attendance tonight, constantly with the up and down in the middle of plate appearances, clogging the aisles, obstructing everyone’s view of the game, without a care in the world that they were doing so.
The irony of course is that they are the very same kind of folks who’d start yelling about working counts, pitch selection, plate patience, and so on, when they themselves have zero awareness of their surroundings.
There was this one douchebag with this tee shirt that said my two favorite teams are the Yanks and whoever is playing the Bosox. The guy was so full of sh!t. He didn’t watch one bit of the game between all the beer runs and p!ss breaks. That doublefister’s two favorite teams are the Bud Light in his right hand and the Bud Light in his left hand.
June 26th, 200912:42 am
Won six straight in 2008, uga.
May 2 to May 8.
June 26th, 200912:43 am
“Saw and talked to Roberto Alomar after he played in a winter ball game down there…” DOB
He didn’t spit on you, did he? It’s too bad that when I think of Roberto Alomar, THAT is what comes to mind first (that and him sarcastically doing the chop jogging from first to third in the 92 WS), rather than his stellar playing career.
Kind of like John Rocker. If not for that one little incident…..what’s that? Oh. Never mind.
My comment would be I hope the Marlins take the division if we don’t. Just can’t stand the other 2 teams. But, hopefully they cool a little like they did after their hot start. I see our team going on a hot streak if Bobby can utilize the right lineup. The pitching is still strong…
Bring Back Andruw
June 26th, 200912:44 am
Andruw Jones – 9 HR in 126 at bats
Schafer/Diaz/JF-K/Anderson – 13 HR in 735 at bats
Bobby’s, the game was on Peachtree tonight, who do you think won the tool race?
June 26th, 200912:46 am
lol Braveheart….so I’m taking it that you did not see the tool race?
June 26th, 200912:47 am
I don’t think the umps had anything to do with how Lowe performed tonight. All those friggin’ rocket shots ripped all over the darn field had more to do with it.
June 26th, 200912:49 am
DOB, in your humble opinion, where do the Braves go from here …… give us your honest opinion.
June 26th, 200912:50 am
Bobby’s, no, unfortunately, I did see the tool race, but am so numb to it at this point, I don’t pay attention to it.
Chop Chop: Pettite got in trouble with his fastball in the fourth. Kotchman’s double and Escobar’s single were both off of the heater. Braves had some success against Robinson out of their pen, who started the ninth and gave up BMac’s bomb, but Aceves and Coke pitched well after the wheels fell off for Petitte in the fourth and Riveria was, well, Rivera after the Braves made some noise in the ninth. Logan struggled a bit, but other than his two runs, the Braves pen was effective the rest of the way.
Bobby’s Cox: The drill won the race tonight, which was run live on the warning track instead of on Braves vision.
MLB.tv blocks the middle of innings. Steve says ARod won, but it sounds like Bud Light won.
June 26th, 200912:51 am
Good one Braveheart.
June 26th, 200912:54 am
I didn’t see it, but I’m gonna put my money on the biggest tool on the field…though if we include broadcasters, the race is indeterminate.
June 26th, 200912:56 am
Not really. We’ve seen them win a ton in a row and then lose a ton in a row. Marlins don’t seem as likely to be a contest this year like they were last year.( in general)
June 26th, 200912:58 am
thanks, tell our good friend braveheart that is why hockey is great.
no up an downs. when play is on, sit down and shut up.
June 26th, 200912:59 am
lol, hang in there Braveheart. You know what really irritated me tonight was seeing all the Yankees gear for sell at Braves concession stands and in the clubhouse store. No way in he– I am able to go to Wrigley, Fenway, NYC or Philly and buy anything Braves related and yet we’re selling them A-Rod and Jeter jerseys and Yankee hats. I understand the push for revenue and all, but that got on my nerves tonight.
June 26th, 20091:00 am
I don’t get it – those still defending that idiot SS
Can he hit – for the most part (though I think he may lead the team in GIDP) but what good is that if he can’t steal a base and struggles to run the bases without stupidly running into an out.
Can he field – getting worse by the day. Is the guy on drugs? I’m sick of his idiotic play. Still ticked too at Loaf Garrett’s trotting down a long fly ball that with hustle could have been caught and saved some runs from previous game.
This team needs a healthy 3B. Needs to replace SS, 2B, RF (won had 2 hits tonight & announcers gonna wet themselves despite choking with bases loaded) & LF, and all the middle relievers.
Laughable – Braves announces in weds game said Medlin was running out of gas because he hasn’t pitched in 10 days. So if you pitch too much you run out of gas and if you pitch too little same results. Kind of like when these same homer announcers defend poor pitching when’s it cold because pitchers can’t feel the ball and then if its hot, the pitchers can’t grip ball due to persperation.
Call it like it is
This team has a will to lose and lose they will
June 26th, 20091:01 am
60 millon dollars say lowe must be better.
if not, he will make hampton look like ah well fill in the blanks.
June 26th, 20091:05 am
It’s cool to see all the Asian folks at the games with their Kawakami tees
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
June 26th, 20091:11 am
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June 26th, 20091:14 am
Thrashers may pick Evander Kane. He’s an African-Canadian centerman who is named after Evander Holyfield. He’s also very good. Should be interesting to see if that pick goes down. He’s gritty, tough, and can score.
June 26th, 20091:18 am
i think brogosian will be a stud.
Nate the GR8
June 26th, 20091:22 am
Do you know anything about baseball??? Escobar is a good to great SS. I dont know what you are drinking or smoking but it must be damn good.
June 26th, 20091:24 am
The latest album by Future of the Left called Travels With Myself And Another is pretty solid.
The album starts off very strong with the powerful opener “arming Eritrea,” which absolutely rocks face, and the album continues on a roll from there. If you don’t recognize the band’s name, two of the members (singer, drummer) were in the infamous band Mclusky from Cardiff Wales, which might be more familiar.
Overall, the album shows promise and growth from the ex-Mclusky members, but lacks that raw edge that made Mclusky so lovable and messy. However, I’m not faulting Future of the Left for moving towards a more cohesive sound than the schizophrenic and polarizing Mclusky. It is a positive change for these guys – never good to get stuck in an artistic rut.
Anyway, Travels With Myself And Another is a fun and energetic punkish album with many great moments.
June 26th, 20091:25 am
i have been a kawamki doubter. but he sure likes to prove himself in big games.
he out pitched roy hallady. he pitched great in boston.
he was on his way against the yanks. so maybe he is worth it.
June 26th, 20091:31 am
And even though I mentioned their album a few days ago… Burst’s 2008 release Lazarus Bird is stuck on repeat in my headphones and deserves another nod.
Burst’s high energy punk/metal attack, mixed with proggy lulls, has been melting my face all week. They are signed to Relapse, and while I would compare them more to the Refused and Fugazi, hints of Mastodon (also on Relapse) seep up to the surface throughout the album… I’d also wager that these guys listened to a lot of Rage Against the Machine.
June 26th, 20091:33 am
i like escobar. period. but he needs to be a leader.
June 26th, 20091:34 am
Hey DOB any updates on Campillo and Buddy??
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