So, how can ATL avoid be swept by the SOX? BP is depleted with exception of Gonzo and Soriano. As crazy as it sounds, Francouer is about the only offense. Yeah Prado, Do you really think he will see the field? Oh and escobar, he will give back every he produces, back on defense.
No. Are you actually watching the game? Prado is playing 1st, and Diory Hernandez is at 2nd. Kotchamn was taken out.
Brave4life-
I’ve got no issues with the Indians guys, but several teams seem to have interest in DeRo and I bet they offer more then a struggling RF, a struggling meddle reliever, a AAA guy that hasn’t shown much at the major league level and a utility guy with a balky leg. I’d love to have DeRo on this team, I am a HUGE fan of his, but the Indians can afford to ask a lot in return- that package won’t get it done
won’t be able to use “at least the Philly lost” much longer
soon a team in the NL east will get in first place and actually win and no longer will the braves be able to rely so much on another team to keep them in the race.
“Look at this!!!! Look at that hunk-a-man Derek Jeter!! Oh how he gets my blood a boiling. What an at-bat by Mr. Derek Jeter! Listen to my high voice, you cannot imagine how excited I am right now! Even my eye brows are giving him a standing O. What a man…” – Chip Caray, no lie thats what he said, i DVR’d it
The difference in the game right now is that the Yankees are doing everything right and the Braves are auditioning for the movie Major League: Atlanta style.
just think, this is what it was like last year. Pitchers going 3 innings and killing the already poor bullpen…. This also might be the worst defensive game any team has played all year….
This team has a lot of holes – 1B, LF, RF, 3B, 4 arms in the bullpen, and a new coach. I hope ownership has another $40 mil they can drop on this team. Maybe then, fans will show up, you know..actual Braves fans.
OMFG, the Braves are getting worse and worse and worse every year since ‘06. Think about it, all this pitching they have and they’re how many under .500? I’ll bet with this pitching from ‘06-’08 that they would be at or over .500. Agree with me? The pen is struggling right now, but those are the middle relief,crappy pitchers. Lowe is struggling, but that’s normal for him to go through these stretches.
They are going nowhere because bad teams are like this….. they hit, don’t pitch…..pitch and they don’t hit. They will finish 3rd/4th again. Bobby Cox isn’t to fully blame but he’s lost the edge. Wren doesn’t know how to put a winning team on the field, obviously. Yep, the ‘09 Braves SUCK!
Tomahawkin, Did I call Chip a jerk. If I did, didn’t mean to. I like Chipper, but sometimes he just needs to shut his mouth and play ball. He has provided nothing since the Brewer series. All singles. If noone is getting on infront of you, just hit a solo HR. AS hot as Bmac has been, I find it hard to believe that they are still pitching around him. The last AB against pettite, he was praticly begging for a walk, putting the pressure on someone else.
Unknown, if you think 3B is a hole for the club then you’re out of your mind…but then again didn’t you suggest sending Diory down for Canziares while Yunel and Prado both play through injury?
thanks…not sure the pitchers I’d be willing to part with would entice the Indians
Brave4life-
the thing is, though, is the Indians don’t HAVE to trade him. Sure, they may lose him for nothing but it might be worth the risk if they don’t find anything they like in a deal. And again, with multiple teams interested, they can drive up the price
I said on here a lil while ago that Lowe was throwing to many pitches. If the ump is not giving hime that low strike like tonight, he is going to get hammered, and hammered he did. He has no out pitch, and the Yanks unlike the Braves just hit the ball where it was pitched.
I say that because he will have another nagging injury that keeps him out a few games here and there…
Not the stats you want from your “Self Proclaimed Leader”
D.O.B. I was Knocking You for being optomistic 9I read your evaluation about 10 days ago)…But this team has been so inconsistant and we see the same stuff happen night in and night out…
I dunno what It is But real braves fans watch this crap and refuse to jump on frontrunners bandwagons unlike most Atlanta sports fans….
chip is a buffoon, but I’m glad to hear his tribute to the Bataan death march vet. Read about what they went through. Amazing the guy lived to his 90’s, had a family, etc.
My bad D.O.B. I meant to say I wasn’t Knocking You about being Optomistic about the 09 Braves…But I only see them making a run at the W.C. Unless we get Holliday, Or Dye…Not a DeRosa Or a Milky Cabrera
Boy oh boy is the decline steep for Chipper. Hes gonna bring that career avg. under .300 with 3 more years of this. He’s clearly lost it a step in every facet of his game. I bet he struggles to get to 15/70/.290
what sad about losing to the yankees is that I am having to hear my dumbass neighbors talk smack about his yankees. go back to NY you fool!!! go braves, go dawgs, go falcons!!!
As bad as we play some nights, I still hope we don’t trade away a guy like Medlen for help this year. I see him being a good pitcher, with his stuff. Just gotta let him develop.
We really don’t have much to deal otherwise, unless it is a low minors guy, and I hate dealing those guys, as it might come back to bite you in the butt.
Chop it up All-Stars, I am going to argue that Lowe is not our Ace. We paid 60 mil for no more than a #3 at best. He is not an Ace because he can not comeout and shut teams down. Right now the true Ace is Vasquez.
This series reminds me a lot of the Red Sox series. It looked like we could compete with better pitching, but some bad luck and some poor performances have negated that to cause us to lose both series.
this was really a must win with the phillies struggling and the Mets and Fish surging. I dont see them making up 4 games no way no how. fire sale and lets let the kids play and hope and pray next year will be a little better.
You know, for the better part of a month I kept saying the Braves problem was in the bullpen. I got called a moron for not “understanding” that the problem was the with the bats. Well, I’ll compromise. The Braves problem is that they can’t out-hit what the pen gives up.
2,112 comments Add your comment
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:22 pm
Cabravesfan
What do you think would be good????
FEAR
June 25th, 2009
10:22 pm
I now pronounce you Mrs. Chip Jeter
bravos2249
June 25th, 2009
10:22 pm
Who cares if the runner would have made third…you still gotta field the ball clean.
joe
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
I’m really tired of chip sucking Derek’s Jeter.
Tomahawk Talk
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
we should go after mark teahen from KC he can play everywhere and has a good bat
avg obp slug ops
.281 .342 .438 .780
Bobby's Cox
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
We need a rover to play in shallow RF.
Long time Braves fan
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
i think chip cary just wet on himself about Jeter’s hit
Heath (Cleveland)
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
Coldwork. If you can make it happen, the Braves will thank you my friend.
Unknown
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
Can anybody on this team play defense?
David O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
Jeter has been on base six times and A-Rod has been on five times, each reaching once on an error.
Jeff Tweedy
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
Where can I find a broadcast that isn’t announced by Yankees fans?
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
WHY IS EVERYONE MAKING DUN OF CHIPPER
jason
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
So, how can ATL avoid be swept by the SOX? BP is depleted with exception of Gonzo and Soriano. As crazy as it sounds, Francouer is about the only offense. Yeah Prado, Do you really think he will see the field? Oh and escobar, he will give back every he produces, back on defense.
bravos2249
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
Why does Chip have to gush….it’s not like he doesn’t see Jeter every Sunday.
FEAR
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
Ric Flair would break Jeter’s leg with the GD figure 4!!!!
joe
June 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
What a waste of an offensive explosion. Jeter continually gets the cheapest hits imaginable.
Bobby's Cox
June 25th, 2009
10:24 pm
when does Hanson pitch again?
Jake W.
June 25th, 2009
10:24 pm
Hey Joe Simpson, you gotta wonder about the heads of other players outside of Esco. These are just two ugly games. Ugly.
Tomahawkin
June 25th, 2009
10:24 pm
2nd Sellout…
Expect The Attendance to get nasty a 6 weeks frow when everyone goes back to school
These Games have only been exciting because Braves fans want to shut those Bandwagon fans up. Even though the braves fans are outnumbered…
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
10:25 pm
bravos2249-
No. Are you actually watching the game? Prado is playing 1st, and Diory Hernandez is at 2nd. Kotchamn was taken out.
Brave4life-
I’ve got no issues with the Indians guys, but several teams seem to have interest in DeRo and I bet they offer more then a struggling RF, a struggling meddle reliever, a AAA guy that hasn’t shown much at the major league level and a utility guy with a balky leg. I’d love to have DeRo on this team, I am a HUGE fan of his, but the Indians can afford to ask a lot in return- that package won’t get it done
Unknown
June 25th, 2009
10:25 pm
Pitching has killed us this series especially the blowpen.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:25 pm
We should life, then died down.
Jeter
June 25th, 2009
10:25 pm
can we start a petition to have Chip transferred to NY? I think he would have a much better time licking Jeter’s balls from there. . .
Coldwork
June 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
No one reading this can make it happen, but it would benefit both teams.
Tomas
June 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
Trade Kotchman for a quality defensive SS, move Yunel to 3B, and move Chipper to 1B.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
We need some bats in that middle of the order.
bigmacattack
June 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
won’t be able to use “at least the Philly lost” much longer
soon a team in the NL east will get in first place and actually win and no longer will the braves be able to rely so much on another team to keep them in the race.
joe
June 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
Acosta’s straight fastball…delicious for Arod
CT in AL
June 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
“Look at this!!!! Look at that hunk-a-man Derek Jeter!! Oh how he gets my blood a boiling. What an at-bat by Mr. Derek Jeter! Listen to my high voice, you cannot imagine how excited I am right now! Even my eye brows are giving him a standing O. What a man…” – Chip Caray, no lie thats what he said, i DVR’d it
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
bravos2249-
sorry- didn’t see where you corrected yourself. apologies.
Brave4life-
I don’t have any idea but I think it would cost more then I’d be willing to give up- top prospect or 2 at least
Heath (Cleveland)
June 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
cabravesfan -
Indians have even already said they want pitching.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
All i am looking forward to is HANSON ROY run
Jake W.
June 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
The difference in the game right now is that the Yankees are doing everything right and the Braves are auditioning for the movie Major League: Atlanta style.
MEB
June 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
No Mas!!! Yeah Chip you dweeb… “NO MAS” means no more of you!
GO BRAVES!!!
Jackie Treehorn
June 25th, 2009
10:28 pm
Looky looky looky
Here comes cookie
Cook’s Pest Control!
zmerk13
June 25th, 2009
10:28 pm
just think, this is what it was like last year. Pitchers going 3 innings and killing the already poor bullpen…. This also might be the worst defensive game any team has played all year….
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:28 pm
Cabravesfan
DeRo is a rental it cant cost too much. We could get him at the right price.
Unknown
June 25th, 2009
10:29 pm
This team has a lot of holes – 1B, LF, RF, 3B, 4 arms in the bullpen, and a new coach. I hope ownership has another $40 mil they can drop on this team. Maybe then, fans will show up, you know..actual Braves fans.
Bobby's Cox
June 25th, 2009
10:29 pm
Hey guys, sometimes you just have to tip your cap….
joe
June 25th, 2009
10:29 pm
CT AL, LOL @ Chips eyebrows. his eyebrows spread extra wide for Jeter and A-rod tonight.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:30 pm
Medlen is only 22 i think he will be a good pitcher, they brought him up too early. We could give a guy like Acosta too.
Medlen
Acosta
Frenchy
Bobby's Cox
June 25th, 2009
10:30 pm
cabravesfan,
I don’t know what you see in Tex. I hope it’s not the money
Mike
June 25th, 2009
10:30 pm
OMFG, the Braves are getting worse and worse and worse every year since ‘06. Think about it, all this pitching they have and they’re how many under .500? I’ll bet with this pitching from ‘06-’08 that they would be at or over .500. Agree with me? The pen is struggling right now, but those are the middle relief,crappy pitchers. Lowe is struggling, but that’s normal for him to go through these stretches.
They are going nowhere because bad teams are like this….. they hit, don’t pitch…..pitch and they don’t hit. They will finish 3rd/4th again. Bobby Cox isn’t to fully blame but he’s lost the edge. Wren doesn’t know how to put a winning team on the field, obviously. Yep, the ‘09 Braves SUCK!
7
June 25th, 2009
10:30 pm
2nd sell out of the year and Braves playing like crap.
jason
June 25th, 2009
10:30 pm
Tomahawkin, Did I call Chip a jerk. If I did, didn’t mean to. I like Chipper, but sometimes he just needs to shut his mouth and play ball. He has provided nothing since the Brewer series. All singles. If noone is getting on infront of you, just hit a solo HR. AS hot as Bmac has been, I find it hard to believe that they are still pitching around him. The last AB against pettite, he was praticly begging for a walk, putting the pressure on someone else.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:30 pm
Lets break out the bats,
Steve from OH
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
Unknown, if you think 3B is a hole for the club then you’re out of your mind…but then again didn’t you suggest sending Diory down for Canziares while Yunel and Prado both play through injury?
bravos2249
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
OMG…they are playing MJ…..sad
FEAR
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
um…..we’re gonna need more than one bat to turn it around…..we’re gonna need some bullpen help too…….
Roja
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
Acosta is like Jekyl and Hyde — gives up 2 hits but strikes out the side.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
7
If we won those sell out games, maybe more people would show up to the other games
Wayne in Utah
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
Unknown
Money will not fix the Braves problems.
Tomahawkin
June 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
The Braves Haven’t won a series in a Month…And I think D.O.B. Is the Only one who thinks they can win the division…
joe
June 25th, 2009
10:32 pm
Even two years ago, Braves had a fantastic offense
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
10:32 pm
Heath (Cleveland)-
thanks…not sure the pitchers I’d be willing to part with would entice the Indians
Brave4life-
the thing is, though, is the Indians don’t HAVE to trade him. Sure, they may lose him for nothing but it might be worth the risk if they don’t find anything they like in a deal. And again, with multiple teams interested, they can drive up the price
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:32 pm
The show life……..at times
bravos2249
June 25th, 2009
10:33 pm
Are they even trying anymore?
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
10:33 pm
Bobby’s Cox-
rest assured, sweetie, it ain’t the money
(although that’s nice too)
bravos2249
June 25th, 2009
10:33 pm
The Yankee BP isn’t underrated….our players are OVERRATED.
Wayne in Utah
June 25th, 2009
10:33 pm
Bobby’s Cox
Amen.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:33 pm
our poor positions
2b
1b
Rf-but frenchy has been doing better
Lf
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:34 pm
i wonder what goes through Wrens head right now,
joe
June 25th, 2009
10:35 pm
Martin never quits
Jake W.
June 25th, 2009
10:35 pm
“Hey guys, sometimes you just have to tip your cap….”
Or you could wonder how many more runs we would have too if we could work with 4 outs or more an inning for half the game.
jason
June 25th, 2009
10:35 pm
I said on here a lil while ago that Lowe was throwing to many pitches. If the ump is not giving hime that low strike like tonight, he is going to get hammered, and hammered he did. He has no out pitch, and the Yanks unlike the Braves just hit the ball where it was pitched.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 25th, 2009
10:35 pm
Some 2-out magic maybe? Time for Chipper and McCann here.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:35 pm
Why is everyone praising Bobby cox
Mixxo
June 25th, 2009
10:36 pm
Are they even trying anymore? – bravos2249
Yanks have ripped their hearts out. Just RIPPED ‘em out!
Ugly
Couch Tater
June 25th, 2009
10:36 pm
Sabermetrics reveals the Braves have more runs per dollar spent, tonight.
Wayne in Utah
June 25th, 2009
10:36 pm
Where do you go to get defensive information about baseball players?
Heath (Cleveland)
June 25th, 2009
10:36 pm
…or not… ugh.
Tomahawkin
June 25th, 2009
10:37 pm
Chipper is only on pace for 65-75 Ribeyes…
I say that because he will have another nagging injury that keeps him out a few games here and there…
Not the stats you want from your “Self Proclaimed Leader”
D.O.B. I was Knocking You for being optomistic 9I read your evaluation about 10 days ago)…But this team has been so inconsistant and we see the same stuff happen night in and night out…
I dunno what It is But real braves fans watch this crap and refuse to jump on frontrunners bandwagons unlike most Atlanta sports fans….
Chip Caray is a BUFFOON
June 25th, 2009
10:37 pm
chip is a buffoon, but I’m glad to hear his tribute to the Bataan death march vet. Read about what they went through. Amazing the guy lived to his 90’s, had a family, etc.
bravos2249
June 25th, 2009
10:38 pm
Even without the miscues…the Yankees would still be leading us.
bravos2249
June 25th, 2009
10:38 pm
but by like 1 run…not FIVE
Tomahawkin
June 25th, 2009
10:38 pm
My bad D.O.B. I meant to say I wasn’t Knocking You about being Optomistic about the 09 Braves…But I only see them making a run at the W.C. Unless we get Holliday, Or Dye…Not a DeRosa Or a Milky Cabrera
7
June 25th, 2009
10:38 pm
agree Brave4life…They wonder why no one goes to games. Just look what they put on the field.
BAH, did you just hear Chip bragging on Yankees mgr. His opinion is 100% different from you.
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
10:38 pm
Wayne in Utah-
this is the site I use for most stats- fielding and hitting- seems pretty good
http://www.baseball-reference.com/
Chop it up All-Stars
June 25th, 2009
10:39 pm
Keep running Martin Prado out there and let Kelly come off the bench. BTW, I love this lineup; just a bad pitching performance from our “ace” tonight.
Roja
June 25th, 2009
10:39 pm
The Braves have won a series this month. They won the Cubs Series — took them 21 days but they won 2 of 3 from the Cubbies.
Chris
June 25th, 2009
10:40 pm
No more inter-league.
Steve from OH
June 25th, 2009
10:40 pm
Wayne–fangraphs has UZR, which I think is pretty good, not great, and you can find Fielding Bible (which I consider to be better) statistics here:
http://sabernomics.com/sabernomics/FieldingBibleVII_Excerpt.pdf
May we never see fielding % on the blog again…
Atlanta Cowards
June 25th, 2009
10:40 pm
Boy oh boy is the decline steep for Chipper. Hes gonna bring that career avg. under .300 with 3 more years of this. He’s clearly lost it a step in every facet of his game. I bet he struggles to get to 15/70/.290
Long time Braves fan
June 25th, 2009
10:40 pm
what sad about losing to the yankees is that I am having to hear my dumbass neighbors talk smack about his yankees. go back to NY you fool!!! go braves, go dawgs, go falcons!!!
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:40 pm
Isay we sweep the REDSOX
Roja
June 25th, 2009
10:41 pm
Tex must be feeling right at home at the Ted. He had an 0 for 5 night.
Wayne in Utah
June 25th, 2009
10:41 pm
As bad as we play some nights, I still hope we don’t trade away a guy like Medlen for help this year. I see him being a good pitcher, with his stuff. Just gotta let him develop.
We really don’t have much to deal otherwise, unless it is a low minors guy, and I hate dealing those guys, as it might come back to bite you in the butt.
Doc Holiday
June 25th, 2009
10:41 pm
This game was lost in the 1st 5 innings when we didnt make their pitchers for their poor pitching.
jason
June 25th, 2009
10:41 pm
Chop it up All-Stars, I am going to argue that Lowe is not our Ace. We paid 60 mil for no more than a #3 at best. He is not an Ace because he can not comeout and shut teams down. Right now the true Ace is Vasquez.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:42 pm
LongTimeBravesfan
I live in New York, and have to deal with BS everyday
Heath (Cleveland)
June 25th, 2009
10:42 pm
This series reminds me a lot of the Red Sox series. It looked like we could compete with better pitching, but some bad luck and some poor performances have negated that to cause us to lose both series.
joe
June 25th, 2009
10:42 pm
Hey Chip just praise both NY teams, Boston, Fla, Phillies, and cubs, why don’t ya.
Did Chip just try to be cool with his “Money, money, money!” Oh my god.
What a douche.
jeffrey d
June 25th, 2009
10:42 pm
Isay we sweep the REDSOX
Good plan…I’ll let Bobby know
Atlanta Cowards
June 25th, 2009
10:43 pm
this was really a must win with the phillies struggling and the Mets and Fish surging. I dont see them making up 4 games no way no how. fire sale and lets let the kids play and hope and pray next year will be a little better.
Brave4life
June 25th, 2009
10:43 pm
Lowe hasnt had his sinker working at all
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
10:43 pm
I’m calling 1-2-3 inning…
Long time Braves fan
June 25th, 2009
10:43 pm
I agree, Vazquez is more dominant than Lowe. You need a strike out pitch to be effective.
Mike
June 25th, 2009
10:44 pm
You know, for the better part of a month I kept saying the Braves problem was in the bullpen. I got called a moron for not “understanding” that the problem was the with the bats. Well, I’ll compromise. The Braves problem is that they can’t out-hit what the pen gives up.
Everyone should be happy now.
Wayne in Utah
June 25th, 2009
10:44 pm
cabravesfan and Steve…..thanks.
Chris, you are right. Interleague games have kicked our butts, but they have been good for attendance though….. Little consolation though.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 25th, 2009
10:44 pm
All we need is another 5-run inning….he we did it earlier in the game, we can do it again. Right?