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njbraves
June 25th, 2009
2:43 pm
I’m a huge fan of McCann, but I have to be fair. His defense is average. far too many balls get passed him. I think he is the 2nd best overall catcher in the game. Joe Mauer is a monster. Better pure hitter than Mac and better defensively. He doesn’t usually have the power Brian has, but he seems to have found it this year. Being able to DH is a big advantage.
TNVolsBraves
June 25th, 2009
2:43 pm
Fleming—-
I kind of agree with you about the decision to throw to first. Cano was clearly in the throwing lane. That being said, you would like to be able to depend on the Home Plate Umpire to make the correct call. I guess he would actually have to be looking at the play to make the correct call though.
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
2:43 pm
jeffrey d-
if it makes you feel any better, in one of my fantasy football leagues 2 seasons ago, someone drafted the San Diego Chargers Defense in the first round. With the 2nd overall pick. A guy did this. That was really sad.
Frank from KS
June 25th, 2009
2:44 pm
fleming
Well……..
Lol
Il Cattivo
June 25th, 2009
2:44 pm
Campillo will not be coming back this season. He has undergone season ending shoulder surgery. This is according to Jim Powell (radio) and he said the braves havent officially announced it. Wonder why though.
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
2:44 pm
Purple Shirt–
OK. I’ll acknowledge that little…um…piece of crud.
Mauer played injured for two years? Oh, the poor thing! Like McCann hasn’t ya little…that’s part of catching. They learn to deal with it to the point where it’s impossible to.
Briant, Jason–
Well, I’ve voiced my opinion on that till I was blue in the face. Not much more I cann say, I guess…
BravesfaninWis
June 25th, 2009
2:46 pm
Point blank, I am just tired of watching this team falter year after year.. I can understand that a 14 year division title streak would have to end at some point, but did they really have to fall this hard after it ended? They could have at least played in second place and gave the division leader a run for their money..
The problem is, they can’t get consistent at the same time.. Either the offense is good, or the starting pitching is good, it is never both at the same time.. I for one am not expecting anything from this team this year.. If anyone is, they should be prepared to be let down yet again.. This team just doesn’t have it in them to play good consistently and make the playoffs..
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
2:46 pm
njbraves His defense is average.
Glad you’re giving him the benefit of the doubt…
ncscoots
June 25th, 2009
2:47 pm
RHR, that all sounds, well, too well-put, to qualify as rants. I’ll look before making a final judgment, though, LOL. Normally, to rise above the clamor of the in-game posts and really qualify as a “rant”, a post has to be of the general tone of that made by one of the usual suspects having just gone off their meds.
But, I’ll look, anyway.
Nostradumbo
June 25th, 2009
2:50 pm
I refer to illegals as wetbacks.
When they devise a method of river-swimming that doesn’t leave them wet, I’ll refer to them as drybacks.
Illegal is illegal, be it murder or unauthorized immigration.
jason
June 25th, 2009
2:51 pm
McFann Ô, Who knows, maybe it was one game. That had to be thwe worst game performance that I have seen from him. Maybe, he cna play 1B tokeep and get ross’s bat in the line up. Kind of like Mauer playing DH…
Chuck James was Solid Until the 6th!!!
June 25th, 2009
2:52 pm
“Hacksaw” Jim Duggan is the greatest wrestler ever, bar none.
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
2:52 pm
RHR-
“Dummy Head?” Really? that the best you can do?
Blackberry Cobbler
June 25th, 2009
2:52 pm
McCann is NOT among the best catchers ever. No way. Arm just not quick or accurate enough and too often tries to reach for pitches rather than blocking in them. Glove out of position. And he positions himself too far out front on plays at the plate.
faninva
June 25th, 2009
2:53 pm
Braint, you stated:
“He rarely shifts himself correctly to block balls in the dirt and he lets several get by him in crucial situations. That messes with his pitch calling IMO. How else could you possibly explain Bennett’s 0-2 fastball right down the middle to A-Rod? Was McCann not confident that he could stop a curve in the dirt with the go-ahead run at 3rd?”
seriously, are you really making that statement? Ya, McCann thinks, “gee, I’m not sure if I’ll be able to catch/stop the ball so I had better go ahead and make it easy on myself.” …seriously.
Could it possibly be that Bennet made a location mistake?
David O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
2:54 pm
Just got to stadium after 90-plus-minute meeting(s) at the office.
Gonna finish blog before clubhouse opens.
Wes
June 25th, 2009
2:55 pm
Chuck James: Atta boy! My Grandmother used to baby sit him when he was a kid up here in Glens Falls. We’re pretty close with the rest of his family. We finally got up him up last summer to drink some beers!!!
Purple Shirt
June 25th, 2009
2:55 pm
McFann- yes, not having a back for two years is quite the injury. Catcher or not.
GB
June 25th, 2009
2:55 pm
Three things are true and cannot be disputed:
1. Brian McCann is the best catcher in baseball.
2. Robert is the stoopidest person in our solar system.
3. Purple Shirt is a close second.
fleming
June 25th, 2009
2:56 pm
Frank from KS
I remember back in the early 70’s was working my way through college doing construction work and we had a professional wrestler named Bearcat Wilkerson working for us. Saw him on TV one night get his leg broken. I mean toted out on a stretcher the whole nine yards. Come Monday morning he shows up for work good as ever. Asked him about the broke leg and he says that was his TV leg. For the next several months you saw hin on TV with his cast on and at work without.
David O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
2:56 pm
Blackberry, I wrote best HITTING catchers. Not best overall. He’s not among best overall, got a lot of defensive improvement he’d have to do to get in that group.
But best-hitting catchers? Yes, if he just keeps having seasons like he’s already had.
Steve from OH
June 25th, 2009
2:57 pm
It’s way too early in McCann’s career to call him one of the best catchers ever, but right now, he’s certainly on that track offensively. Dude’s a stud. He and Mauer are the best catchers in the game right now, period. Deciding between the two, to me, is kinda like quabbling between a chocolate or strawberry milkshake. They’re both delicious, people. People forget, too, that Mike Piazza wasn’t a world-beater defensively either. We’ve got a real good one here, folks, let’s be happy huh?
TnBrian
June 25th, 2009
2:58 pm
Frank, always liked Bret Hart because he made it look so real. I say that but it’s all a little more real than people think. I haven’t watched WWE in a few years.
David O'Brien
June 25th, 2009
2:58 pm
Huddy and Medlen are out doing long sprints in the outfield. It’s smokin’ hot out there, too.
Dan
June 25th, 2009
2:59 pm
I love how tough everyone talks on a blog, about “drilling” someone when they feel the Braves were slighted in the least by an opposing player. Don’t you think these guys know how the game is played? Keyboard courage, a beautiful thing.
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
3:00 pm
Jason–
It was one game…definitely his worst game ever.
Not sure if he cann play first base, but I’m telling you right now, when/if they ever put him there, if his defense is no good, I don’t want to hear one single, solitary complaint from any of these people.
Steve from OH
June 25th, 2009
3:00 pm
But like DOB said, his performance to date is certainly up there with some of the great offensive catchers.
fleming
June 25th, 2009
3:02 pm
TnBrian – I say that but it’s all a little more real than people think.
Nor really. It’s all fake with a predetermined winner but I do know you don’t want to step in the ring with one of them. My redneck father-in-law made the mistake of getting drunk and climbing in the ring with Paul DeMarco one time. The police couldn’t get there fast enough for my father-in-law when he did that.
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:02 pm
4. GB insults people for being STUPID by spelling it wrong.
5. B Mac isn’t one of the best ever. For one, its his 3rd damn full year, so let’s not rush to judge anything. For that matter, the same holds true with Mauer. Way too early to tell for either of them.
But Mauer is better in almost every facet of the game. Purple is right, at least a little bit. He did have a horrible back problem fixed in the off season and seems to have regained the power he was ’supposed’ to have. If he does successfully get his power back, he will 100% be better than Mac in every aspect of being a catcher.
Now, is this a knock on Mac? Not at all! He’s still very good. It’s like comparing Chris Paul to Lebron James. Paul’s good, but he doesn’t hold a candle to Lebron.
Wayne in Utah
June 25th, 2009
3:02 pm
Burritos were great! Illegals are illegal. Not that I don’t like them, I am just frustrated with what the overload does to our systems here in the USA.
Will Prado get a start w/ Pettite going tonight???
TnBrian
June 25th, 2009
3:03 pm
Dan, now now…don’t get all keyboard tough on people here that are keyboard tough. Two wrongs don’t make a right, right? If you’re refering to me and how I said I’d drill that goofball catcher, than yes, you damn right I would. I’ve kicked some a** and had my a** kicked, so I can take it. Although, I don’t think Cerevalis could take me unless he knew some sorta Ven. marial arts crap…ya never know.
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
3:03 pm
Purple Shirt–
What?
Steve from OH People forget, too, that Mike Piazza wasn’t a world-beater defensively either.
No they don’t…they all say BMac is the next Mike Piazza.
We’ve got a real good one here, folks, let’s be happy huh?
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:03 pm
And before you can write up an excuse; NO you did NOT spell stupid wrong on purpose.
Mixxo
June 25th, 2009
3:04 pm
I love how tough everyone talks on a blog, about “drilling” someone when they feel the Braves were slighted in the least by an opposing player. Don’t you think these guys know how the game is played? Keyboard courage, a beautiful thing. – Dan
Somebody needs to drill Dan …..dang it!
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
3:04 pm
Wes–
It’s Mac’s 4th full year, dummy.
Shamus Thacker
June 25th, 2009
3:05 pm
A GREAT hitter willing to squat behind the plate every night deserves a few passes on defense.
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
3:05 pm
Wes If he does successfully get his power back, he will 100% be better than Mac in every aspect of being a catcher.
OK, Elton. Go become a dang Twins fan, then.
TnBrian
June 25th, 2009
3:06 pm
fleming, I guess the actual fist hitting the face with 250lbs of pressure is all rehersed, but my point is that if you look at Bret Hart who never hurt one wrestler in his career, that is an art. Is art fake?
Mixxo
June 25th, 2009
3:06 pm
I foresee Mac having a better night tonight.
WAIT! ……..he’s playing ……right?
RHR
June 25th, 2009
3:06 pm
DOB – How about you just write about how bad the Braves suck? You are worse than the SI cover curse.
cabraves – just trying to keep LT’s place family friendly. Heh.
a post has to be of the general tone of that made by one of the usual suspects having just gone off their meds.
I’m pretty sure I had that covered.
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:06 pm
Shamus, you’re right. GREAT hitters do. Good one’s don’t.
fleming
June 25th, 2009
3:06 pm
Which is easier to spell- stupid or idiot? Both words apply to many posts on this blog.
winterville
June 25th, 2009
3:07 pm
Why are we even criticizing McCann about anything? You guys defending him need to stop getting baited by the haters. They are just trying to get a rise. There are so many other things to b!tch about on this team. McCann ain’t one of em.
Frank from KS
June 25th, 2009
3:07 pm
TnBrian
Yeah, I agree. Those cuts, and bruises, and chairs over the head, legs, body, etc or heads into the broadcasters table or the metal steps going into the ring aren’t fake.
LOL
jason
June 25th, 2009
3:07 pm
McFann Ô, Sorry for comparing hime to Piazza. His defense is not that bad, except for last night.
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:08 pm
I wish I was a Twins fan. They run twice as good a product on the field for half the price. Name one Brave that starts on that team. I honestly mean it: Name one. Because there isn’t one. Chipper Jones included.
GB
June 25th, 2009
3:08 pm
Wes moves up to no. 2! Congratulations!
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:10 pm
Crede starts over Chipper (defensive purposes) and Kubel starts over Chipper at DH. Sorry, but its true.
Morneau/Kotchman: Morneau
KJ/Casilla-Punto: Twins win. because kelly johnson does not belong in major league baseball
Yunel/Harris: Harris starts over Yunel. Great baseball guy, high average, gets on base for the big bats
Mauer/McCann: Mauer
Span/McLouth: Span
the other two outfield spots: GA and JF don’t start anywhere else in the league.
AndyC
June 25th, 2009
3:11 pm
cabravesfan
You might want to be careful what little shacks you eat at. You might be getting a rat enchilada or a dog burrito. It happens.
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
3:11 pm
Wes-
What, exactly, is stopping you from becoming a Twins fan?? You seem to like them better then the Braves…
TnBrian
June 25th, 2009
3:11 pm
Frank, believe me, I think wrestling is comedy, that’s all. I was just explaining that I do respect the art of the whole thing and feel a lot of them don’t get the credit they deserve because the story lines, etc. are so stupid. Blame that on McMahon, I guess.
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
3:12 pm
AndyC-
If it tastes good, I don’t need to know what kind of “meat” is in it
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:12 pm
GB thanks for another intriguing, intellectual baseball comment.
fleming
June 25th, 2009
3:12 pm
TnBrian
You telling me that a well built, muscled, trained 250 lb+ professional hitting someone with haymakers to the face a half dozen times in succession without drawing serious blood or the victim going down isn’t fake. Not talking about the little bit of blood they get from the bits of razor blade they keep taped to their fingers.
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:13 pm
cabrave: do you blame me?
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:14 pm
ok, as long as we’re handing out Idiot Awards.
Are there really people debating the realizm of professional wrestling?
toga party
June 25th, 2009
3:14 pm
Petite sure looks good away from that new bandbox: 4-1 with a 2.35 ERA
Lowe better not plan on giving up any runs tonight.
jason
June 25th, 2009
3:15 pm
Wes, afraid so…
Shamus Thacker
June 25th, 2009
3:15 pm
cabravesfan, you’ve evidently never tried the Mountain Oyster Burrito…
ncscoots
June 25th, 2009
3:15 pm
RHR, covered or not, I don’t give a rip. You’re still one of my faves in the forum.
Wait a minute. I just realized that I’m not scrolling as much today. Did Paul Dense and MFin start summer school?
Frank from KS
June 25th, 2009
3:15 pm
TnBrian
Well…I have to admit…the lesbian story line between Sable and Torrie Wilson was pretty awesome, IMO.
:>)
Wayne in Utah
June 25th, 2009
3:19 pm
TnBrian
Hey, I think I could take you, if I could catch you. Kinda big, but slow in my old age!
fleming
June 25th, 2009
3:19 pm
Frank from KS TnBrian
We don’t want Wes to get upset now so maybe we need to talk trades. How about Chipper and McCann for Murphy. Wright needs a backup and the Mutts need a catcher and we need an outfielder. LOL
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:19 pm
DOB, back me up. Name one Brave that starts for the Twins
Frank from KS
June 25th, 2009
3:20 pm
or the same lesbian story line between Torrie Wilson and Dawn Marie.
LOL
CB
June 25th, 2009
3:20 pm
Frank you are a sick person,lol.
jeffrey d
June 25th, 2009
3:20 pm
:>)
That Jeff Francoeur?
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:21 pm
How about the Rock’s handjob, Stone Colds jizz rag and Andre the Giants used Depends for a commenter that doesn’t post paragraphs about why pro wrestling is “not realistic.”
Really? It’s not? Here I am thinking it was fine to chase people around town to hit them with a sledghammer or run them down with my car.
You ruined it for me.
Kentavo
June 25th, 2009
3:21 pm
This just in from the farm (or the sand):
MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. – Myrtle Beach Pelicans outfielder Jason Heyward has added another accolade in a 2009 campaign already blossoming with accomplishments. Today, Major League Baseball announced Heyward as one of 25 minor leaguers who will represent the United States in the 11th annual XM All-Star Futures Game.
Heyward, 19, has spent all season with the Pelicans, seeing action in 41 games this year. The outfielder is batting .288 with nine home runs and 23 runs batted in for Myrtle Beach. Heyward was named Carolina League Player of the Week for May 11-17, having batted .319 (6-for-19) with three home runs, five runs batted in, five walks and just one strikeout over that span. He was named to the Carolina League All-Star Team as well, one of only two Pelicans, along with fellow outfielder Cody Johnson, to receive the honor.
ncscoots
June 25th, 2009
3:21 pm
Frank, it would have been perfect for you if they could have worked a little Shania Twain into those story lines, right, LOL?
getsomewins
June 25th, 2009
3:21 pm
Wes –
I would like to have Justin Morneau and Denard Span
getsomewins
June 25th, 2009
3:22 pm
…and Joe Nathan.
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
3:22 pm
Jason–
You’re forgiven. Now, if he had a lot more games like last night’s, you’d almost have a point…
oh SNAP!
June 25th, 2009
3:22 pm
Escobar is 6th in runs….7th in hits…8th in 2B….6th in homers…3rd in rbi…and 9th in avg….among MLB short stops…..PLEASE
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:22 pm
lol, and it wasn’t Torrie Wilson. It was the other Tori that started banging X-Pac! So there, you got my wrasslin’ input for the day. If you want to waste our time, at least get your facts straight.
Chop Chop
June 25th, 2009
3:22 pm
Paul Lentz is doing research, scoots. He’s been on the horn with Harold Reynolds, McCarver, Buck, Chip, Eric Young, Kruk, and J.J. from Peachtree TV. He also playing video games (Baseball Stars, Bases Loaded 1 and 2, RBI Baseball 1 and 2) to get the latest updates on player salaries and stats.
cabravesfan
June 25th, 2009
3:23 pm
Wes-
No blame, a legit question. If you like them better, watch them. Cheer for them. Spend your money on them. Nobody’s going to stop you.
Shamus Thacker-
You mean the Rocky Mountian Oysters? Never had them in a burrito, but I have had them…not bad, again, as long as you don’t know what it is you are eating
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:23 pm
Oh SNAP: and he’s cost his team more runs/wins with his mental, fielding and baserunning errors than Jeff Bennett.
McFann Ô
June 25th, 2009
3:23 pm
“A Twin that starts for the Braves”? What…?
winterville
June 25th, 2009
3:23 pm
Wes
I already read your lame reasons for why our guys wouldn’t start but Chipper, McLouth, and Escobar all start for them. It’s not even close on any of those positions.
geauxbraves2000
June 25th, 2009
3:24 pm
I knew McCann was going to be good when he was first called up. He is a sponge and will continue to learn. I feel he will be among the elite at his position when his career is over.
Geaux Braves!!
getsomewins
June 25th, 2009
3:24 pm
Who on the Braves starts on the Twins?
McLouth (CF) over Carlos Gomez
Escobar (SS) over Nick Punto
Those are the only ones I can think of.
Frank from KS
June 25th, 2009
3:24 pm
fleming
Well…if DOB can talk about bbq, music..among other things along with Braves baseball….then WE as bloggers can discuss those PLUS the realalism(sp) of professional wrestling too.
The Abs Man
June 25th, 2009
3:25 pm
Bitching ’bout McCann is dumb. He’s a stud. Throw to first hitting Cano was interference. If this team had a few more like McCann, winning 100+ games a cinch.
A big question is what do currently in left. Diaz at best average defensively, but hustles all the time, runs well.
Garret Anderson, while can still hit a little, with the glove is like the prototype fat kid in little league, usually sentenced to right field. Literally, you wince whenever Garret is asked to move more than 2-3 steps, or make a throw. He really is hands-down toxic defensively. Reminds me of the pipes for NHL goalie. No range, no arm, little if any urgency going after line drives in gap, nice technique though running after ball as it bounds to fence and back, plus some good sink on that four-hopper IF HITS correct cut-off man. Overall, give me defense. As we’ve seen vs. Yankees and Red Sox, class team make you pay big timw giving ‘em extra outs.
Obvious future answer is to add Schafer to McLouth and Francoeur. If starting pitcher is Braves’ forte, you MUST BE SOLID defensively.
ncscoots
June 25th, 2009
3:25 pm
Chop, I stand enlightened. He’s giving The World’s Most Interesting Man a run for the title, ain’t he?
Wayne in Utah
June 25th, 2009
3:25 pm
Hey, what’s wrong with a little sweet and sour chihuahua and some pulled pug??
jason
June 25th, 2009
3:25 pm
McFann Ô, I think BMac has caught whatever the rest of the Braves seem to have this year. Scary, because I don’t think there is a cure.
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
Winter: no they don’t. McLouth might start in left or right, but not in center. Chipper Jones does not start on that team. You think they need a guy who hits .300 with no power and can’t field or throw? I wish we got to play against a team you ran every night. Might win a couple of games.
cabrave: Not a Twin fan at all, but the Mauer talk had me lookin at their lineup. It really does suck that what i wrote about no Brave starting on that team in their position is true.
getsomewins
June 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
…and of course, Chipper Jones
Ron Roberts
June 25th, 2009
3:28 pm
I don’t care WHAT his stats say…bringing in Jeff Bennett in a close-game situation is my cue to watch something else. I LITERALLY said to a buddy I was watching the game with “well, in comes Bennett; that’s us throwing in the towel.”
Sure enough… this guy must have improper photos of Cox doing something illegal, ’cause there’s no reason to bring him in when a game’s on the line, far as I can see, ESPECIALLY when it comes to keeping inherited runners from reaching the dish.
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:28 pm
Escobar won’t start over Punto. Gardenhire loves him at 2b, he just wishes he’d pick up the pace at the bat. McLouth, as much as I like him, does not start over Carlos Gomez in minnesota. He’s like their Francoeur. No one plays over him.
TennesseePaul
June 25th, 2009
3:28 pm
Tell you what disappoints. Can’t say the Braves game is on ESPN. The Yankee game was on. Can’t go to a pub around here and ask for the Braves game on the panel, gotta ask for the opponent…
“Could we get the Braves game on?”
“No, I think some one is watching the Pitchmen”
“Oh. Well could we get the Yankee game on?”
“Sure, I’ll put it on the panel showing Pitchmen.”
TNScott
June 25th, 2009
3:28 pm
DOB- With what I’ve seen so far these last two weeks, and I didn’t ever think I’d say this, I believe instant replay needs to be an instrument used to get the calls right especially in the postseason. I know the purists say that umpires are part of the human element in the game, but they aren’t players or managers. Give teams one challenge a game and if they win the challenge they get that challenge back but no more than two challenges per game. I know umpires make mistakes, but when an umpire doesn’t pay attention or just gets it wrong why penalize a team whether it’s the Braves or anyone else? One other point, the time spent arguing the call probably would be no different from the time spent checking the replay. For if current trends continue, Bobby may set the record this year for ejections in a season. Just my opinion..
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:29 pm
I’ll ask for a 3rd time: Who does Chipper play over? Not Crede and not Kubel. No where else to go unless he wants to lace up the left field shoes again.
And you can throw out all the ‘great’ stats some of the Braves have, SNAP. Then call up the Atlanta Braves’ starting pitchers and ask them how much ‘great’ stats mean in this game.
Supes
June 25th, 2009
3:30 pm
Purple shirt,
How about you get the FRAK “off of our land”? GO little boy, go! Get out. Get the FRAK out you Twins and Vikings lover!
Must still hurt that the Falcons whipped your “purple shirts” last season.
Come here for some vindication did you?
McFann is a kid, so go pick on someone else. BTW, I see that she did a fine job shutting you the frak up.
Still here? I told you boy..get the FRAK off of our land!
BRAVES BLOG!
Frank from KS
June 25th, 2009
3:31 pm
ncscoots re: your 3:21 p.m.
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!
LOLOLOLOL :>)
getsomewins
June 25th, 2009
3:31 pm
Wes -
Leave that stuff alone.
getsomewins
June 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
is it me? Or does it sound like WES is venting with every single post I’ve ever read from him?
TNVolsBraves
June 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
Wes–
I’ll bite………
1B Morneau
2B Harris
SS Escobar
3B Chipper
LF Anderson
CF Span
RF McLouth
DH McCann
P Slowey
P Lowe
P Vazquez
P Jurjjens
P Hanson
Gonzalez & Soriano are also definitely in the Pen.
You can have an opinion but Crede over Chipper is nuts.
Wes
June 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
lol what stuff is that?