No doubt you’d want to get back a good SS prospect for Vazquez. They may say otherwise, but I think you could get Alcides Escobar from Milwaukee as long as the race stays tight.
And as far as Wilson goes, he has less trade value than Frenchy right now. His UZR is not good and he has put up a sub .700 OPS for the last two seasons now. He also makes 7MM that the Pirates desperately want rid of. That’s why I think they’d trade both for Kotchman and a nobody prospect.
Since the Braves are not using Kris Medlen and Manny Acosta, they should send them both back to Gwinnett, so they don’t get “lit up” when they do pitch them. They are young arms that need to be pitching on a regular basis, not sitting in the bullpen waiting for something to happen.
Last nights game against the Cubs was a beauty and hopefully will be the catalyst to get the Braves turned around, because NOW IS THE TIME!!!
wayne in utahWhich contending teams need a closer or a strong set-up guy, and still have a bat they can deal?
the yankees need a setup guy, and have plenty of outfielders. nady is still on the DL, but could be back just before the all star break.
the yanks also have swisher, damon, and melky. once nady comes back, the yanks are good trade candidates.
no other contending teams that i can think of seem to match up to well with us…but the yanks have three guys i would consider getting, swisher, nady, and melky. (my interest in them would be in that order.
cabravesfan – a ‘neighbor’ just asked me if it’s acceptable on his birthday (and on the day of a Braves-Yankee game) to begin working on a beer before 3:30. Since I consider you an expert on matters of proper behavior, I wanted to solicit your opinion.
I think if Schafer actually succeeded this season, you would be right with Heyward being in RF on opening day. However, I think the brass may be a little gun shy on Heyward based on the Schafer situation from this year.
I don’t think the Braves will even consider Schafer’s struggles when deciding in Heyward. Heyward is a patient hitter who walks almost as much as he strikes out. He K’s a lot less than Schafer did in the minor league level. I much as I like Schafer, Heyward is in a different league as far as prospects go.
I do think Heyward’s a bit young still, but if he finishes the year strong in AA I would certainly give him a shot…couldn’t hurt (especially with the AAA club so close now- even if he started there and proved he was ready, which I think is the best idea- again, provided he has a strong season spent at least partially in AA). He’s only 19- no reason to rush the kid
I think that trade would work, PWH. In that trade scenario, we are dealing from the “F*** you, Orioles. You are completely irrelevant and have no sense. Excuse me while I relieve myself on your relevance. Again, f*** you.” position.
Melky does not interest me at all. Maybe Swisher or Nady. Problem with Nady is the bum elbow, and the fact he is a Boras client.
How about the Angels??? They need a starter and a reliever. Brandon Wood is having a killer year here in SLC at AAA. Who could we use to interest them in sending us Wood and maybe Gary Matthews??? (how many more years does he have on his contract?)
Matthews scares me as a possible ‘roids user though.
Look at Andruw’s production compared to Frenchy and Garret Anderson.
Andruw, in 122 at bats, has 8 home runs, 19 rbi’s, and is slugging .516.
French, in 253 at bats, has 4 home runs, 30 rbi’s, and is slugging .340.
Garret Anderson, in 165 at bats, has 3 home runs, 24 rbi’s and is slugging .394.
I agree that Andruw’s best days are likely behind him. However, his numbers in limited playing time, are far superior to both of our corner outfielders. As much as his defensive skills may have eroded, he has to be better defensively than Garret Anderson.
The red cups sweat too much and drinks warm up too quickly.
Try Styrofoam. The styro cups also hang around for a thousand-years, so whenever you need to puke, anytime, anywhere, there’ll always be a cup. If a toilet or the ground aren’t available, of course…
cabravesfan – apparently the fine folks at the Caribou Coffee where he was doing some kind of work with a young female this afternoon do not have their liquor license. He has cleared the rest of the evening to deal with the situation.
Self Reference: No, neither Collins nor Aldrich is going in draft. Neither even tested waters. KU’s got all its starters back, plus addition of top recruit Xavier Henry and his brother. They’re loaded, bro.
wayne in utah im not sure tampa would gve up anything the braves would really want. they might be able to get gabe gross or gabe kapler, but who we need from them would be ben zobrist…
well McFann, if they can win with 4 I might be alright. But they need to light up someone who has been pitching this bad.
Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wang get pulled very quick if he gets into a jam of any sort, so I anticipate this is really a matchup against their pen.
What somone was last year or 3-4 years ago has no bearing on what they are right now. Infante or Prado may have only been decent utility guys in the past but this year they are performing well. It really makes no difference about a player’s past unless you are looking to pay them based on their past performance. Then you want a track record. You probably don’t replace a star even in an off year (production wise) but neither Prado or Infante have been asked to do that. If a guy is hitting .300 spot starting and my regular is hitting .229 it should be a no-brainer who should start. Thank God for Prado and Infante!
Will Ohman has given up 4 HR and walked 8 in 12 and 1/3 innings this year. He’s got a 5.84 ERA and 1.62 WHIP. Man I wish the Braves weren’t so cheap and they’d signed him.
Maybe, just maybe, we’ll see more of Martin Prado at 2B? I know, I know. Kelly Johnson will go on one his famous 80 for 100 streaks… any day now. That’s right, any day now.
I wager Wren is just wating to closer to the trade deadline to move the impotent Frenchy. I say that with regret: I hoped he’d find his hold offense.
Vasquez is pitching like a stud. Still want to move him for a power bat?
June 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm
wayne in utahWhich contending teams need a closer or a strong set-up guy, and still have a bat they can deal?
the yankees need a setup guy, and have plenty of outfielders. nady is still on the DL, but could be back just before the all star break.
the yanks also have swisher, damon, and melky. once nady comes back, the yanks are good trade candidates.
no other contending teams that i can think of seem to match up to well with us…but the yanks have three guys i would consider getting, swisher, nady, and melky. (my interest in them would be in that order
The way Gonzo and Soriano have been throwing lately, I’m sure they are drawing some interest.
Wayne, to make a run this year I honestly think we’re better off keeping Soriano and Gonzo than Vazquez. What a luxury to not only have an outstanding lefty and righty 8th and 9th inning guy, but to have guys whose egos allow them to share both roles. You have to think that Lowe, Jurrjens, and Hanson can get you to the 7th most nights. Kawakami and Medlen may need an inning or two from Acosta, Bennett, etc.
The great teams can pretty well slam the door in the 8th and 9th. I’d rather not give that up. Hell, with the market like it is we may be able to keep them both for the same money they make now. Great move, IMO, if that happened.
wayne oh yeah, and nady being a boras client doesnt bother me, for two reasons, one, wren seems to have a good working relationship with boras, and 2, i wouldnt mind trading one of our soon to be free agent relievers for a soon to be free agent outfielder, if the guy helps us get where were going. seriously. i have qualms about trading a guy who is about to walk for a rent-a-player.
June 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm
Wayne, to make a run this year I honestly think we’re better off keeping Soriano and Gonzo than Vazquez. What a luxury to not only have an outstanding lefty and righty 8th and 9th inning guy, but to have guys whose egos allow them to share both roles. You have to think that Lowe, Jurrjens, and Hanson can get you to the 7th most nights. Kawakami and Medlen may need an inning or two from Acosta, Bennett, etc.
The great teams can pretty well slam the door in the 8th and 9th. I’d rather not give that up. Hell, with the market like it is we may be able to keep them both for the same money they make now. Great move, IMO, if that happened.
We can only slam the door in the 8th and 9th if we’re in the lead in those innings. Braves apparently aren’t going to hit a bunch of HRs or score a lot of runs, but need to score with small ball, doing the little things to win, and not leaving a bunch of runners in scoring position. Time certainly will tell.
Haven’t we seen this before? The Braves will win and have a decent performance only to disappoint the following night. Tonight is the perfect set up, the trap game. Wang has been struggling but the Braves will cure his ailing. My prediction: Hanson gets smoked, Wang looks like Cy Young material, and we lose 12-0. Come on guys, stop letting the Braves trick you into thinking they’re competing! They may be only 4 out but that’s not because they are playing well, it’s because the Phillies are struggling. By August, the Braves will be about 15-20 games UNDER .500. I guarantee it!
The Braves will lose tonight because they are inconsistent and unable maintain a winning streak longer than 3 games. The homerun power just isn’t there. You have to have guys in your lineup that can knock the ball around. Too bad the clear and the cream is illegal!
Why does everyone want to trade Javy with the year he is having. Trade LOWE, he is older, more expensive and will get you the same return Javy would. Trade Lowe and Kotch to White Sox for Dye and Konerko. Move Gonzo for a strong 2nd baseman and prospects. Move Franc and KJ to whoever will take them off your hands …..
I do have faith, faith that we will lose tonight. You see, I’m not delusional like most people on this blog. I want the Braves to succeed but it just isn’t possible. They lack power, fundamentals, and the mental toughness it takes to win. They always have. The only change should be Bobby Cox being shown the door or steppign down.
DAP, TB will be reluctant to move Zobrist since Iwamura is hurt. But they are 6 games out and doubt they will try to go for it this season(playing in AL east), so doubtful if they will take Gonzo, even though their bullpen is bad?. Would you do a package around Schafer for Zobrist (or am I of my rocker)?
My bet is tonight we lose by at least 8 runs. I predict Hanson won’t make it out the 3rd and Wang will go 8 with no earned runs and two hits. The Braves will be inpatient all night, swinging at first pitch balls instead of working the count. It never fails, just watch!
“TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME”… the difference tonight could be that we USUALLY have “blowout” wins followed by clunkcers. Last night was a nail-biter of a win. Maybe THAT bodes well. Although, I gotta say, the pitching matchup looks SO unfair on paper, that we’ll probably get 1-hit shut out by Wang tonight. Hope we tee off on him.
I do think that the Braves have a decision to make on Gonzo and Soriano. They are auditioning both in the closer’s role right now, showing teams that both can close. Both are free agents after this season.
In my opinion, the Braves will decide who they want to sign, then trade the other. Look for a young, cheap, good MLB ready corner outfielder to come to Atlanta in return.
Trade NONE of the starting pitchers! Last year we were craving someone to give us 6+…this year we have plenty of guys doing it and we want to trade off Vazquez, who is having a stellar year, similar to Bobby’s praise when Wren pulled off the deal. How do we know Huddy comes back in July or August and returns to form so quickly?
After saying that, is Magglio an option for a trade? What type of package do you think it would take to get him? Is he someone worth taking a chance on, given his track record for hitting for power? This year he is off to a Frenchy pace, but he does have a history of hitting 20-30 homers and 100+ RBIS. Don’t know his contract situation and whether the Braves are able to swing a deal for him, but it seems like Detroit may be looking elsewhere in the future. Just a thought, don’t kill me.
“TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME” This offense should be a good test for Hanson. I’m more worried with his command than anything else. He’s got pitches that’ll get you out but he just needs to work on where he locates.
Trap it’s all about all about a little faith i nthe team. Look at the Rockeies what 18 of 19 with that pitching staff come on. Al lwe need is Chip and Mac to really start hitting MCclouth and and old man Anderson are starting to hit in the past few games. And kotch was smoking before he got hurt. All we need is KJ and JF to play a little better. Imagine if Hanson really starts figuring out how to pitch in bigs geez that the best starting five in baseball hands down. We got hope, Plus two nasty guys at the end of the pen.
Anyone who thinks the Braves will go 8-2 on this homestand is absolutely nuts! The best we can do is 3-7 and we already won 1 of those last night. We will NOT win a series, we haven’t in over a month! Do the math, idiots!
And referencing “chin-music” DAVID, I saw SAL MAGLIE pitch a few in the early fifties on the Saturday Game of the Week. They didn’t call him “THE BARBER” for nothing either.
I had us with a 10-0 homestand. I didn’t post it anywhere, but I don’t need to. I’m so positive about the Braves that I’m positive you’re a negative sack of crap. We don’t need fans like you hanging that albatross of an .800 winning percentage on us.
Personally I’m not big on Ordonez at this point. His power dropping off so badly is very suspiscious to me. I’m afraid he won’t get it back. Remember he was a guy that Canseco ‘fingered’ about PEDs. Also, Maggs has had a lot of knee injury issues.
Dye would be much more preferrable. His power has always been consistent.
At best, if a trade is even made to address RF, I suspect a mid level guy is the best we could hope for. Somebody along the lines of Cody Ross, Willingham, Juan Rivera, Marlon Bird, Nady, etc. Of course in my opinion just about any of those guys would be an improvement.
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McLouth of the South
June 23rd, 2009
3:39 pm
No doubt you’d want to get back a good SS prospect for Vazquez. They may say otherwise, but I think you could get Alcides Escobar from Milwaukee as long as the race stays tight.
And as far as Wilson goes, he has less trade value than Frenchy right now. His UZR is not good and he has put up a sub .700 OPS for the last two seasons now. He also makes 7MM that the Pirates desperately want rid of. That’s why I think they’d trade both for Kotchman and a nobody prospect.
Kudzu Wildcat
June 23rd, 2009
3:39 pm
Since the Braves are not using Kris Medlen and Manny Acosta, they should send them both back to Gwinnett, so they don’t get “lit up” when they do pitch them. They are young arms that need to be pitching on a regular basis, not sitting in the bullpen waiting for something to happen.
Last nights game against the Cubs was a beauty and hopefully will be the catalyst to get the Braves turned around, because NOW IS THE TIME!!!
GO BRAVES
bry22
June 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm
Screw the Yankees and their Billion dollar empire. It shows you how far greed can get you. Yankees SUCK!
AustinBrave
June 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm
What about trade Francouer, Kelly, & Medlen for Brian Roberts and Luke Scott. What do ya’ll think?
DAP
June 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm
wayne in utahWhich contending teams need a closer or a strong set-up guy, and still have a bat they can deal?
the yankees need a setup guy, and have plenty of outfielders. nady is still on the DL, but could be back just before the all star break.
the yanks also have swisher, damon, and melky. once nady comes back, the yanks are good trade candidates.
no other contending teams that i can think of seem to match up to well with us…but the yanks have three guys i would consider getting, swisher, nady, and melky. (my interest in them would be in that order.
Vinings Jim
June 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm
cabravesfan – a ‘neighbor’ just asked me if it’s acceptable on his birthday (and on the day of a Braves-Yankee game) to begin working on a beer before 3:30. Since I consider you an expert on matters of proper behavior, I wanted to solicit your opinion.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
June 23rd, 2009
3:42 pm
dmack2027,
You are about 2 days too late on the Bay rumor from last season. Please try and keep up.
jeffrey d
June 23rd, 2009
3:42 pm
My dad’s a Yankees fan and my girl’s a Red Sox fan…I really hope we don’t lose this week
rob from sc
June 23rd, 2009
3:42 pm
cabravesfan
That is the reason why I believe Jason Heyward will be our Right fielder come Opening Day. That is just my opinion.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
June 23rd, 2009
3:43 pm
Vinings Jim,
I know you didn’t ask my opinion on the drinking before 3:30 rules, but my opinion is, if it’s after noon, you’re allowed to drink.
If it’s before noon, you can drink ONLY if you haven’t stopped from the night before yet.
rob from sc
June 23rd, 2009
3:43 pm
AustinBrave
I think Baltimore would laugh and then hang up the phone. Unfortunately nobody wants Francoeur or Kelly Johnson
cabravesfan
June 23rd, 2009
3:44 pm
Vinings Jim-
On his birthday? He should have started hours ago! Especially with the Yanks in town. Tell the “neighbor” Happy Birthday
cricket
June 23rd, 2009
3:44 pm
DOB,
Any idea how MLB decides the interleague match-ups, other than the so-called rivalry games? I would’ve loved to watch the braves in tampa.
PWHjort
June 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm
“What about trade Francouer, Kelly, & Medlen for Brian Roberts and Luke Scott. What do ya’ll think?” (AustinBrave)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
June 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm
rob from sc,
I think if Schafer actually succeeded this season, you would be right with Heyward being in RF on opening day. However, I think the brass may be a little gun shy on Heyward based on the Schafer situation from this year.
bravito199
June 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm
Mclouth of the South that’s exactly what i said about trading Javy you have to get Escobar and Corey Hart
McLouth of the South
June 23rd, 2009
3:46 pm
I’m pretty sure my sarcasm detector went off on AustinBrave’s post…
at least I hope so
Lamar1Banks2
June 23rd, 2009
3:47 pm
Andrew Jones likes it in Texas and the Rangers are not paying him much. I doubt if the would trade him.
CB
June 23rd, 2009
3:47 pm
PWH, did you enjoy that?
David O'Brien
June 23rd, 2009
3:48 pm
Renegator: I just read your 3:08 post and smiled. I mean, seriously, dude.
rob from sc
June 23rd, 2009
3:48 pm
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
I don’t think the Braves will even consider Schafer’s struggles when deciding in Heyward. Heyward is a patient hitter who walks almost as much as he strikes out. He K’s a lot less than Schafer did in the minor league level. I much as I like Schafer, Heyward is in a different league as far as prospects go.
McLouth of the South
June 23rd, 2009
3:48 pm
eh-
Not a big Corey Hart fan. Reeks of another certain RF to me.
cabravesfan
June 23rd, 2009
3:48 pm
rob from sc-
I do think Heyward’s a bit young still, but if he finishes the year strong in AA I would certainly give him a shot…couldn’t hurt (especially with the AAA club so close now- even if he started there and proved he was ready, which I think is the best idea- again, provided he has a strong season spent at least partially in AA). He’s only 19- no reason to rush the kid
Chop Chop
June 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm
I think that trade would work, PWH. In that trade scenario, we are dealing from the “F*** you, Orioles. You are completely irrelevant and have no sense. Excuse me while I relieve myself on your relevance. Again, f*** you.” position.
This position is normal for our Atlanta Braves.
CB
June 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm
McLouth,I have a patent pending on that button.
Wayne in Utah
June 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm
DAP
Melky does not interest me at all. Maybe Swisher or Nady. Problem with Nady is the bum elbow, and the fact he is a Boras client.
How about the Angels??? They need a starter and a reliever. Brandon Wood is having a killer year here in SLC at AAA. Who could we use to interest them in sending us Wood and maybe Gary Matthews??? (how many more years does he have on his contract?)
Matthews scares me as a possible ‘roids user though.
dmack2027
June 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm
Wayne,
Look at Andruw’s production compared to Frenchy and Garret Anderson.
Andruw, in 122 at bats, has 8 home runs, 19 rbi’s, and is slugging .516.
French, in 253 at bats, has 4 home runs, 30 rbi’s, and is slugging .340.
Garret Anderson, in 165 at bats, has 3 home runs, 24 rbi’s and is slugging .394.
I agree that Andruw’s best days are likely behind him. However, his numbers in limited playing time, are far superior to both of our corner outfielders. As much as his defensive skills may have eroded, he has to be better defensively than Garret Anderson.
Shamus Thacker
June 23rd, 2009
3:50 pm
The red cups sweat too much and drinks warm up too quickly.
Try Styrofoam. The styro cups also hang around for a thousand-years, so whenever you need to puke, anytime, anywhere, there’ll always be a cup. If a toilet or the ground aren’t available, of course…
Vinings Jim
June 23rd, 2009
3:50 pm
cabravesfan – apparently the fine folks at the Caribou Coffee where he was doing some kind of work with a young female this afternoon do not have their liquor license. He has cleared the rest of the evening to deal with the situation.
jeffrey d
June 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
Heyward is in a different league as far as prospects go.
yep….Triple A and Single A
David O'Brien
June 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
Self Reference: No, neither Collins nor Aldrich is going in draft. Neither even tested waters. KU’s got all its starters back, plus addition of top recruit Xavier Henry and his brother. They’re loaded, bro.
Roman Gal
June 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
And for all of you prospect huggers out there, the Danville Braves open their season tonight. Hooray!
Steve from OH
Hooray, indeed!! Any idea who is starting?
Braint
June 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
Not on a baseball note but – RIP Ed McMahon – a great talent and decorated WWII Veteran.
DAP
June 23rd, 2009
3:51 pm
wayne in utah im not sure tampa would gve up anything the braves would really want. they might be able to get gabe gross or gabe kapler, but who we need from them would be ben zobrist…
reservoirDAWG
June 23rd, 2009
3:52 pm
What a stretch.
Goldenglove002
June 23rd, 2009
3:52 pm
well McFann, if they can win with 4 I might be alright. But they need to light up someone who has been pitching this bad.
Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wang get pulled very quick if he gets into a jam of any sort, so I anticipate this is really a matchup against their pen.
monty
June 23rd, 2009
3:52 pm
Jeffrey D
What somone was last year or 3-4 years ago has no bearing on what they are right now. Infante or Prado may have only been decent utility guys in the past but this year they are performing well. It really makes no difference about a player’s past unless you are looking to pay them based on their past performance. Then you want a track record. You probably don’t replace a star even in an off year (production wise) but neither Prado or Infante have been asked to do that. If a guy is hitting .300 spot starting and my regular is hitting .229 it should be a no-brainer who should start. Thank God for Prado and Infante!
Couch Tater
June 23rd, 2009
3:52 pm
They are a lot like Matt Diaz, good players who will be exposed if over utilized
Or…like Francoeur and Chien-Ming Wang who will be utilized if over exposed.(sorry, couldn’t resist)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoCvgTU43lg&feature=related
McLouth of the South
June 23rd, 2009
3:55 pm
Frenchy’s Flamin’ Firefighters?
They could all dress like Village people. Every night would be 70’s night!
PWHjort
June 23rd, 2009
3:55 pm
Will Ohman has given up 4 HR and walked 8 in 12 and 1/3 innings this year. He’s got a 5.84 ERA and 1.62 WHIP. Man I wish the Braves weren’t so cheap and they’d signed him.
PWHjort
June 23rd, 2009
3:56 pm
Yes, CB. Much more than I enjoy other silly trade speculation. Which I also enjoy.
cabravesfan
June 23rd, 2009
3:56 pm
Vinings Jim-
It’s called a “flask”- and it makes a great birthday present
bry22
June 23rd, 2009
3:56 pm
2b, rf, lf are our greatest needs. RF being our biggest!
Wayne in Utah
June 23rd, 2009
3:57 pm
Tater
I asked for that one!!!
DAP
I like Zobrist. Would they take a flier on Frenchy along w/ Gonzo??? Probably not.
Andrew in P-tang
June 23rd, 2009
3:58 pm
Is Escobar playing tonight?
Shamus Thacker
June 23rd, 2009
3:58 pm
There’s alotta sadness at Malibu liquor stores today, I’m sure…
sri
June 23rd, 2009
3:58 pm
Wayne,
Gary Matthews numbers this year 225/.278/.326 and he makes $10 mil this year and is due $23mil next two years.
Ron Jeremy
June 23rd, 2009
3:59 pm
I hope the Braves really jump on that Wang tonight!!!
Lamar1Banks2
June 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm
Wow those numbers surprised me about Will Ohman.
Another great move by Frank Wren.
prattvillenolzfan
June 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm
Hey DOB….you said Prado has been playing with a pulled groin that’s been tightly wrapped….
2 questions….
How do you “tightly” wrap a groin…..
and does he do it himself. or does the trainer do it for him…..
Wayne in Utah
June 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm
Andruw Jones
Last 30 games the Rangers have played, he has hit 4 homers…..but batted 189/228/453 w/15 K’s in 53 AB’s.
Like I said, look at his most recent numbers. No better than Frenchy.
Jeff R
June 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm
Maybe, just maybe, we’ll see more of Martin Prado at 2B? I know, I know. Kelly Johnson will go on one his famous 80 for 100 streaks… any day now. That’s right, any day now.
I wager Wren is just wating to closer to the trade deadline to move the impotent Frenchy. I say that with regret: I hoped he’d find his hold offense.
Vasquez is pitching like a stud. Still want to move him for a power bat?
getsomepower
June 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm
DAP
June 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm
wayne in utahWhich contending teams need a closer or a strong set-up guy, and still have a bat they can deal?
the yankees need a setup guy, and have plenty of outfielders. nady is still on the DL, but could be back just before the all star break.
the yanks also have swisher, damon, and melky. once nady comes back, the yanks are good trade candidates.
no other contending teams that i can think of seem to match up to well with us…but the yanks have three guys i would consider getting, swisher, nady, and melky. (my interest in them would be in that order
The way Gonzo and Soriano have been throwing lately, I’m sure they are drawing some interest.
Creepy...
June 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm
Knowing the Braves they will probably let the chance to beat Wang slip through their hands…
Andrew in P-tang
June 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm
Javy Vasquez for Jermaine Dye
McLouth of the South
June 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm
Wayne, to make a run this year I honestly think we’re better off keeping Soriano and Gonzo than Vazquez. What a luxury to not only have an outstanding lefty and righty 8th and 9th inning guy, but to have guys whose egos allow them to share both roles. You have to think that Lowe, Jurrjens, and Hanson can get you to the 7th most nights. Kawakami and Medlen may need an inning or two from Acosta, Bennett, etc.
The great teams can pretty well slam the door in the 8th and 9th. I’d rather not give that up. Hell, with the market like it is we may be able to keep them both for the same money they make now. Great move, IMO, if that happened.
Wayne in Utah
June 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm
sri
Yeah, that’s too much to inherit. I was thinking if we took some salary off their hands, we might could entice them to swap Wood for Gonzo……but….
DAP
June 23rd, 2009
4:04 pm
wayne you seem to know much more about the angels system than me…i honestly dont know much about what they have or need.
DAP
June 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm
wayne oh yeah, and nady being a boras client doesnt bother me, for two reasons, one, wren seems to have a good working relationship with boras, and 2, i wouldnt mind trading one of our soon to be free agent relievers for a soon to be free agent outfielder, if the guy helps us get where were going. seriously. i have qualms about trading a guy who is about to walk for a rent-a-player.
Wayne in Utah
June 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm
Andrew in P-tang
I hope you were kidding!!! I can just see Ozzie taking back Vazquez with open arms.
getsomepower
June 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm
McLouth of the South
June 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm
Wayne, to make a run this year I honestly think we’re better off keeping Soriano and Gonzo than Vazquez. What a luxury to not only have an outstanding lefty and righty 8th and 9th inning guy, but to have guys whose egos allow them to share both roles. You have to think that Lowe, Jurrjens, and Hanson can get you to the 7th most nights. Kawakami and Medlen may need an inning or two from Acosta, Bennett, etc.
The great teams can pretty well slam the door in the 8th and 9th. I’d rather not give that up. Hell, with the market like it is we may be able to keep them both for the same money they make now. Great move, IMO, if that happened.
We can only slam the door in the 8th and 9th if we’re in the lead in those innings. Braves apparently aren’t going to hit a bunch of HRs or score a lot of runs, but need to score with small ball, doing the little things to win, and not leaving a bunch of runners in scoring position. Time certainly will tell.
Bayou Brave
June 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm
prattvillenolzfan
Just like you do with a jammed finger.
"TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME"
June 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm
Haven’t we seen this before? The Braves will win and have a decent performance only to disappoint the following night. Tonight is the perfect set up, the trap game. Wang has been struggling but the Braves will cure his ailing. My prediction: Hanson gets smoked, Wang looks like Cy Young material, and we lose 12-0. Come on guys, stop letting the Braves trick you into thinking they’re competing! They may be only 4 out but that’s not because they are playing well, it’s because the Phillies are struggling. By August, the Braves will be about 15-20 games UNDER .500. I guarantee it!
Space Monkey
June 23rd, 2009
4:07 pm
Man, I hope KJ doesn’t play tonight. Prado is a much better hitter and I don’t see any loss in fielding quality.
Wayne in Utah
June 23rd, 2009
4:08 pm
DAP
Angels AAA is here in SLC. And agreed that Wren is OK w/ Boras. Exchanging a walk guy for another walk guy is an OK deal in my book too.
getsomepower
June 23rd, 2009
4:08 pm
Braves were inquiring about Swisher before the season started. Yanks could use a Soriano in their 8th inning.
cabravesfan
June 23rd, 2009
4:08 pm
Andrew in P-tang-
You’re kidding right?
Original Jon
June 23rd, 2009
4:08 pm
Javy Vasquez for Jermaine Dye, you are joking right?
getsomepower
June 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm
“TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME”
IIIII Know what you’re doing….reverse psychology.
Brandon O
June 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm
Trap boy go screw off
Have some faith brother!!!
Barrington
June 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm
The Braves will lose tonight because they are inconsistent and unable maintain a winning streak longer than 3 games. The homerun power just isn’t there. You have to have guys in your lineup that can knock the ball around. Too bad the clear and the cream is illegal!
Randy
June 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm
I can’t believe no one uses “Big Pimpin’” by Jay Z.
hmmmm
June 23rd, 2009
4:10 pm
Why does everyone want to trade Javy with the year he is having. Trade LOWE, he is older, more expensive and will get you the same return Javy would. Trade Lowe and Kotch to White Sox for Dye and Konerko. Move Gonzo for a strong 2nd baseman and prospects. Move Franc and KJ to whoever will take them off your hands …..
TBrown
June 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm
Please no to Soriano for Swisher
"TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME"
June 23rd, 2009
4:12 pm
Brandon O,
I do have faith, faith that we will lose tonight. You see, I’m not delusional like most people on this blog. I want the Braves to succeed but it just isn’t possible. They lack power, fundamentals, and the mental toughness it takes to win. They always have. The only change should be Bobby Cox being shown the door or steppign down.
Skeeterleg
June 23rd, 2009
4:12 pm
Andrew – The White Sox just ran off Vasquez. Thats why hes here in the first place. They dont want him.
sri
June 23rd, 2009
4:14 pm
DAP, TB will be reluctant to move Zobrist since Iwamura is hurt. But they are 6 games out and doubt they will try to go for it this season(playing in AL east), so doubtful if they will take Gonzo, even though their bullpen is bad?. Would you do a package around Schafer for Zobrist (or am I of my rocker)?
PWHjort
June 23rd, 2009
4:14 pm
From MLBTR chat today:
Are Luke Scott or Josh Willingham available?
Willingham yeah, Scott would take more
McFann :Ô:
June 23rd, 2009
4:14 pm
Goldenglove002 @ 3:52–
I agree.
Andrew in P-tang
June 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm
it was a joke …u guys need to chill out a bit..have a beer …get off here..go outside or something
joe(shoyo wang)
June 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm
Coastal–
Actually, I wrote in the previous blog that the Braves will go 8-2 on the homestand with a sweep of the spankees
"TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME"
June 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm
My bet is tonight we lose by at least 8 runs. I predict Hanson won’t make it out the 3rd and Wang will go 8 with no earned runs and two hits. The Braves will be inpatient all night, swinging at first pitch balls instead of working the count. It never fails, just watch!
Ron Roberts
June 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm
“TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME”… the difference tonight could be that we USUALLY have “blowout” wins followed by clunkcers. Last night was a nail-biter of a win. Maybe THAT bodes well.
Although, I gotta say, the pitching matchup looks SO unfair on paper, that we’ll probably get 1-hit shut out by Wang tonight.
Hope we tee off on him.
dmack2027
June 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm
I do think that the Braves have a decision to make on Gonzo and Soriano. They are auditioning both in the closer’s role right now, showing teams that both can close. Both are free agents after this season.
In my opinion, the Braves will decide who they want to sign, then trade the other. Look for a young, cheap, good MLB ready corner outfielder to come to Atlanta in return.
pryguy
June 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm
Trade NONE of the starting pitchers! Last year we were craving someone to give us 6+…this year we have plenty of guys doing it and we want to trade off Vazquez, who is having a stellar year, similar to Bobby’s praise when Wren pulled off the deal. How do we know Huddy comes back in July or August and returns to form so quickly?
After saying that, is Magglio an option for a trade? What type of package do you think it would take to get him? Is he someone worth taking a chance on, given his track record for hitting for power? This year he is off to a Frenchy pace, but he does have a history of hitting 20-30 homers and 100+ RBIS. Don’t know his contract situation and whether the Braves are able to swing a deal for him, but it seems like Detroit may be looking elsewhere in the future. Just a thought, don’t kill me.
BraveNewWorld
June 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm
“TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME” This offense should be a good test for Hanson. I’m more worried with his command than anything else. He’s got pitches that’ll get you out but he just needs to work on where he locates.
joe(shoyo wang)
June 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm
people………
why do you all want to trade gonzo, soriano, or escobar. we need these people. gonzo and soriano are the reasons why we are even in this thing.
Wayne in Utah
June 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm
Andrew in P-tang
Put a little
at the end of your post, and we will then know you are joking…
Brandon O
June 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm
Trap it’s all about all about a little faith i nthe team. Look at the Rockeies what 18 of 19 with that pitching staff come on. Al lwe need is Chip and Mac to really start hitting MCclouth and and old man Anderson are starting to hit in the past few games. And kotch was smoking before he got hurt. All we need is KJ and JF to play a little better. Imagine if Hanson really starts figuring out how to pitch in bigs geez that the best starting five in baseball hands down. We got hope, Plus two nasty guys at the end of the pen.
"TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME"
June 23rd, 2009
4:20 pm
Anyone who thinks the Braves will go 8-2 on this homestand is absolutely nuts! The best we can do is 3-7 and we already won 1 of those last night. We will NOT win a series, we haven’t in over a month! Do the math, idiots!
richbrave
June 23rd, 2009
4:20 pm
And referencing “chin-music” DAVID, I saw SAL MAGLIE pitch a few in the early fifties on the Saturday Game of the Week. They didn’t call him “THE BARBER” for nothing either.
DAP
June 23rd, 2009
4:20 pm
sri i really dont think the rays would trade zobrist. i dont see a good reason (from thier prospective) to do it.
TBrown soriano for swisher would be a steal. it would never happen because it would be so lopsided for the braves.
DAP
June 23rd, 2009
4:21 pm
sorry, PERspective.
fleming
June 23rd, 2009
4:21 pm
TONIGHT IS A TRAP GAME
The negative blog by Carroll last night worked great. Hope your negativism works as well tonight LOL
P Rose
June 23rd, 2009
4:21 pm
Sympathy for Steinbrenner
Please allow me to introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and waste.
I’ve been around for a long, long year
Stole many team’s star players.
I was ’round in ‘96 when Jim Leyritz was at the plate.
Made damn sure that slider hung for Wohlers and sealed his fate.
Pleased to meet you — hope you guess my name.
But what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game.
Signed a young Rodriguez when I saw he was primed for a change.
Irked the Sox and their followers; Theo Epstein screamed in vain.
I broke the bank, writing checks so blank
When Atlanta reigned and the Yankees stank.
Pleased to meet you — hope you guess my name
Ah, what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game
I watched with glee while the team from Queens
Fought in vain to beat The Atlanta Braves.
I shouted out “Who killed the fiscal responsibility?”
When after all it was them and me.
Let me please introduce myself: I’m a man of wealth and waste.
Teixiera Burnett and Sabathia
Earning more than The Tampa Bay Rays
Pleased to meet you — hope you guess my name
But what’s puzzling you is the nature of my game
As the Ted is filled with Yankee fans (and none of them are saints)
The beer man shouldn’t serve them alcohol
’cause they’re in need of some restraint.
So if you go there, have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste.
Use all your Southern politesse
‘cause tonight Turner Field will be debased.
Chop Chop
June 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm
joe(shoyo wang),
I had us with a 10-0 homestand. I didn’t post it anywhere, but I don’t need to. I’m so positive about the Braves that I’m positive you’re a negative sack of crap. We don’t need fans like you hanging that albatross of an .800 winning percentage on us.
sportsmandh
June 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm
pryguy
Personally I’m not big on Ordonez at this point. His power dropping off so badly is very suspiscious to me. I’m afraid he won’t get it back. Remember he was a guy that Canseco ‘fingered’ about PEDs. Also, Maggs has had a lot of knee injury issues.
Dye would be much more preferrable. His power has always been consistent.
At best, if a trade is even made to address RF, I suspect a mid level guy is the best we could hope for. Somebody along the lines of Cody Ross, Willingham, Juan Rivera, Marlon Bird, Nady, etc. Of course in my opinion just about any of those guys would be an improvement.
David O'Brien
June 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm
Escobar’s in lineup
Here ’tis:
1. McLouth
2. Escobar
3. Chipper
4. McLouth
5. Anderson
6. Kotchman
7. Francoeur
8. Johnson
9. Hanson
Jackie Moon
June 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm
“FOLSON PRISON BLUES” is an awesome song. They play it at Tennessee Titans games in the 4th quarter when it’s down near nut cutting time.
getsomepower
June 23rd, 2009
4:23 pm
Brandon O We got hope, Plus two nasty guys at the end of the pen.
Much like Cincinnati had in 1990 (Myers, Dibble and Charlton). Could Moylan become the 3rd?