1:09 pm June 22, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
June 22nd, 20092:36 pm
They would want more than just Esco/Kotchman for Martinez and I’d try and not trade Escobar. He is the best SS in the whole league, bro. His defense is amazing, cannon for an arm and he can swing a great bat. People forget this is only his 2nd full season and he’s playing like a Derek Jeter already. Also, Vazquez for Andrus isn’t enough, they’d want more from ATL. Andrus is too good. I say we go after DeRosa…
McLouth of the South-
Texas is in the AL West…not happening
June 22nd, 20092:37 pm
Apart from Vazquez we don’t have much to offer. What team in their right mind would want Frenchy, KJ, or Kotchman. I think the Braves are going to have to keep these non-hitting players until they can get the prospects ready. I would like to see the Braves try and go after Brian Roberts. He would be a good leadoff man and an upgrade at 2B. I don’t know what to do to improve LF, RF, and 1B.
Texas is not trading Andrus.
Escobar, Kotchman, and Francoeur for Victor Martinez.
Vazquez and 2 prospects to Milwaukee for J.J. Hardy
June 22nd, 20092:38 pm
With Martinez and Hardy…
2. J.J. Hardy
3. C. Jones
4. V. Martinez
June 22nd, 20092:40 pm
I see the dumb trade proposals are back and more powerful than ever.
June 22nd, 20092:41 pm
Um, Victor Martinez is not coming here. He is valued in cleveland as a franchise player, and would take more than CK,Yunel, and Frenchy to get him. Probably would take a JJ on top of all that, if they are even open to doing it, which I would guess they’re not.
J.J Hardy, he of the .213 AVG., 43 Ks, 6 HR and .296 OBS? Oh, and rather poor fielding thrown in (.979 career)? No thanks
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June 22nd, 20092:42 pm
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June 22nd, 20092:43 pm
The rules are there as a safeguard to protect those players. That’s all I meant, Pete. I don’t know the answer to your question.
Outside of McCan, Chipper, McClouth, and Escobar the lineup is terrible. LF, RF, 1B all need serious upgrades. It doesn’t help that the team can’t hit for power but they don’t know how to play small ball and they almost never run. I say send all the struggling players to AAA and see if they can learn to hit. If the team is going to stink it might as well send a message to the players; “Hit or ride the bus”
June 22nd, 20092:46 pm
Alright! A gloom and doom article means the Braves are sure to go on a win streak. Especially if DOB writes it, but we’ll take it from Carroll too. You heard it here first.
tale of woe
I agree with the dude who said the dumb trade proposals are back. If the Braves are going to trade Frenchy or K.J. we are getting prospects back or just as bad major leaguers. We are not going to solve our issues with these trades. Most of the proposals out there are just plain silly.
June 22nd, 20092:47 pm
The trade ideas are getting more absurd by the day.
Vazquez AND two prospect for J.J. Hardy? Absurd. Milwaukee would be the team sending prospects over in addition to Hardy.
Look guys, there aren’t bats available right now. Wren said it himself. And the few that are are way over-priced. The Braves also can’t take on a lot of salary, which only complicates the process.
Bring up Brandon Jones and platoon him in RF with Francouer. Then, start Prado at 2B. In two weeks, if the Braves are still in it…then we can talk about trading for bats.- when they actually come available. If they’re out of contention by then, trade Soriano since both he and Gonzalez will be back next year. Trade Francoeur for whatever you can get and perhaps dangle Vazquez.
John Deere Green
McLouth, Why do we need another Catcher???? V.Martinez??? Where is the braves weakness a catcher???
I don’t think the Braves will be making another offensive trade…I don’t see where he’d go. The infield is pretty set. There’s no reasonable excuse to bench or release Garret (at least not from the Braves’ standpoint. We’d all love it). No team that’s out of the race is going to trade FOR him.
McClouth is going to be in center for awhile.
And Francoeur…I don’t see the Braves giving up on him just yet. And why would a team trade a good outfielder for Francoeur?
Chop Chop: “The rules are there as a safeguard to protect those players. That’s all I meant, Pete. I don’t know the answer to your question.”
I agree with you there is a 20% max cut rule; I just dont recall when it applies.
June 22nd, 20092:48 pm
If you want to be aggressive and you think Huddy will come back strong I would offer San Diego or Cleveland the following for their 1Bs.
JJ, Kotch, Freeman and JOJO + tbd
SD – Adrian Gonzales or the Indians Victor Martinez
I am not saying they would bite as the trade stands but it would start a dialog.
Then I would make a trade for Holliday (prospects + tbd MLers) with the goal of offering Holliday a 1 year extension with a player option. He will need one year back in the NL to get his numbers up and ride out the remainder of the recession.
If you can dump one of JF or GA in the deal above great if not JF to AA and Holliday to RF.
Donald Fehr stepping down as MLBPA executive director.
I’ll come out of retirement and play RF for the Braves. I bet I can get my steroid buddy Barry to play left. I know we are way over the heal but I sure we can do better than Frenchy. That guy needs to get on the juice.
I see the negative, miserable people are back and more miserable than ever
tell ya what, I will trade you 20.00 for ten thousand right now!!!!
We don’t need Victor Martinez here b/c we have Freeman at 1B in 2 years and B-Mac behind the plate for good.
So you’d be ‘Renting’ Victor Martinez for one and half season…very Texiera like. Not good.
I see we’re going with the double catcher approach. It’s a bold move, let’s see if it pays off
June 22nd, 20092:49 pm
sportsmandh…Let me give you another name of Bobby Cox Replacement list…How About Carlos Tosca..he know the Organization when he was the Richmond Braves manager, he speak both language well, and can comunicate with Esco & another latin Player.
Trade Chipper and Vasquez and bring in two or three young studs. A couple position players and a top prospect pitcher. This team needs to open a window and Chipper can still bring in top young goods.
We could get another JJ and a couple top prospect young position players for those two. 2011 could be the beginnign of the next run. 2010 would be fun watching the new kids grow up.
June 22nd, 20092:50 pm
Stop being negative. The Braves have enough power. I’m tired of your negativity.
He cost the braves 2 runs. He is a singles hitter who doesn’t walk and doesn’t hit for power. Even if I buy your argument that he got a run back. He still gave away 2.
McLouth of the South
June 22nd, 20092:51 pm
John Deere Green it has become apparent that you’re too stupid for me to engage any further…
Donald Fehr is stepping down! Maybe Baseball can finally get a salary cap!!!!!! The dude always seemed like an ass to me.
best you might do for Stenchcouer is Sanchez from San Fran two struggling players swapped for each other, and Hope like hell Sanchez can resurrect his form, else it’s just a wash….
I’d Rather Go after Vlad Guerrero, If and Only if the Angels eat up some of his salary…
Loaf and Loaf 2 slowly roaming the outfield! Yeah. No.
June 22nd, 20092:52 pm
here’s a blog describing a few options the Braves have. feel free to drop comments and frequent the site
Stupid, You’re the one trading half the damn team for another catcher!!!!
June 22nd, 20092:54 pm
Sheesh and I am stupid???? And why resort to name calling??? I am not the ignorant assmunch creaming for another catcher, and a clubfooted power hitter that strikes out more than half the team combined……….
cabravesfan – you act like there’s a problem with those stats. You are so negative.
June 22nd, 20092:55 pm
I can fix the braves problems. All they have to do is buy and watch my videos. It works ask all-star slugger Fred McGriff.
come up with something sensible, and reasonable and i might agree with ya there pal!!!!
June 22nd, 20092:57 pm
Loaf and Loaf 2 slowly roaming the outfield! Yeah. No.
You are awesome
Nice of you to tear yourself away from “tutoring” to stop by
Sorry- maybe I just don’t get it…those are good numbers? my bad
FloridaBrave that’s the point…
if Wren would get off his ass and start the bidding process for Vazquez we could unload his $11.5 MM while dumping Francoeur’s $2.8 MM. Now you have money to go get a bat.
June 22nd, 20092:58 pm
getsomepower is my favorite person on here. How about Frenchy and a couple prospects for Pujols.
June 22nd, 20092:59 pm
Its going to take a lot more to pry Martinez away from the Indians. No way the Indians trade him and where would the braves play him? Forget about Dye..he makes way too much money. DOB has stated several times that the braves cannot add much payroll. If the braves do acquire a power bat, Vazquez would probably have to be moved or maybe the braves will surprise everyone and pull off a McClouth like deal at the deadline.
Tom Emanski’s videos can make a winner out of any body.
Oh and Jim?
Hardy’s only making $4.6 million this year, so he’s pretty cheap too!
June 22nd, 2009
Okay so I need to change because you said so. Tell everyone that has been negative to stop, which you won’t, so don’t point any more dumb statements my way.
June 22nd, 20093:00 pm
Epinephrine – clearly there is no place on this blog for sound reasoning and rational statements. Please visit another blog. After all, it’s so much easier to say “GARRET ANDERSON SUCKS!!! KOTCHMAN SUCKS!!!” than to actually look at the stats and see that Kotchman has been pretty consistent all year, somewhere between .270 – .300, and providing Gold Glove defense. And GA is starting to hit a lot better after getting off to a very bad start. Kotchman will never hit like Teixeira, folks. We’ve got him on the cheap for a few more years, and he’s an above-average offensive 1B, and superb defensive 1B. We paid peanuts for GA, and by the end of the year I bet everyone will be pleased with his performance.
GA & Kotchman are not the problems…I’m looking at you, KJ and Francouer.
Green’s homer might have been a Pesky job, but it was just like Mark Reynolds double for the D’backs that ended up winning that game. Since Boston plays fundamental ball, a runner on second with no outs would have ended up scoring probably anyway.
Trade for Nelson Cruz? Why would a division leading team trade a guy that’s helped them get there? Let’s think of more realistic opportunities for Vazquez(teams in last/2nd to last, not in the NL East):
Aubrey Huff, BAL .276, 9 HR, 47 RBI
Matt Holliday, OAK .269, 8 HR, 39 RBI (Beane probably won’t)
Brad Hawpe, COL .332, 10 HR, 50 RBI
Other than that, not too many OF are available that will allow us to upgrade our power numbers.
We should try to package some guys for Hawpe or Huff, IMO, because both of those guys are pretty decent. Baltimore’s got a lot of hitting, they should definitely deal Roberts or Huff.
“News: Responding to trade rumors, Rockies’ general manager Dan O’Dowd claimed that he had no interest in dealing Hawpe, the Denver Post reports.
Spin: “I don’t know where any of that came from,” said O’Dowd. “I don’t foresee us doing anything with him. That’s something you would only do strategically, for the big picture. That would be something for the offseason, if at all.” Hawpe is on pace to be the Rockies’ only All-Star in 2009. The situation has become more complicated by the fact that the team is now in wild card contention.”
June 22nd, 20093:01 pm
I swear some of y’all need to get off of it. No one person owns this thing. I will say whatever is allowed for me to say on here. Period. Whoever has a problem with it, they know what they can do.
Can you imagine how many posts there’d be on this blog if we weren’t negative?
June 22nd, 20093:02 pm
Maybe offer JoJo and B.Jones to Colorado for Spilborghs???
Maybe pry Jonny Gomes from Cincy….
a little more realistic don’t you think?????
Here. Take a joke. I mean it.
And BTW, let’s get pissed at Jeff Bennett for giving up what would be a foul ball or fly ball out in every remaining MLB park except Fenway (now maybe Yankee Stadium too).
I guess we’re still pissed at Jeff for giving up a double-play ground ball that Escobar sat on his heels and waited for. I don’t get why Soriano wasn’t out there, but Soriano could have given up a 299 ft. fly ball just as easily as Bennett.
June 22nd, 20093:03 pm
Brett …Not to many Option huh…. The Braves never make deal with the Same Division team..never Happen…I see a trade with another American Team but not with the NL East. That why the Hermina,Frenchy , Morton deal was dead.
Fred McGriff -
Post of the day.
June 22nd, 20093:04 pm
BraveDawg, Kotchman has been decent and he’s under team control thru 2011. All this makes him… valuable! I still say Kotchman plus a prospect for LaRoche. Kotchman + 1 bought Tex last year didn’t it?
And DOB was just speculating on the salary take on, however no such statement has ever come from the Braves brass
June 22nd, 20093:05 pm
“We may not have a very good team right now, but we certainly are not out of it, and I can guarantee you that whoever wins the NL East will not do it playing .600 ball the rest of the year.” epinephrine
I don’t mean to get technical over the numbers (OK… maybe I do). But IF the Phillies play 1 game over .500 for the remainder of the season (they have 95 games left, thus the 1 game over .500), the Braves would have to go 52-42 the rest of the way (a .553 winning percentage.
I’m not sure that all three teams ahead of us are going to merely play .500 ball the rest of the way. Which means that if any of them play above .500, the Braves will need to win MORE than 52 games the rest of the way. The Braves have 94 games left. If they win 57 games (which is what they will NEED to win if the Phillies play 6 games over .500 for the rest of the way), that would be a winning percentage of .606 (56 wins puts them at .595).
Basically, what I’m sayin, is that if the Phillies simply do what they’ve been doing (playing slightly above .500), the Braves will be REQUIRED to play .600 ball to win the division.
So, by reading between the lines of your “guarantee” you’re basically saying the Braves have no shot at winning, so long as the Phillies play over .500. Which is why, as every day passes with the Braves playing uninspired baseball, their odds of catching anybody (barring they simply DOMINATE in head to head competition against ALL teams they are chasing), are dwindling more and more.
I would come back if Coxie would ax me
McLouth of the South,
Easier said than done. You don’t think Wren would trade Francouer for the right deal? C’mon.
And for Vazquez, he’s got a lot of trade value, sure. But he can’t be traded to the NL West or AL West, and the Braves aren’t trading him within the division. That leaves three decisions in which to trade him, too.
And then how many teams in those divisions need pitching, can add payroll, and will forfeit the talent necessary to acquire Vazquez?
It’s not as easy as how we make it sound. The theory of trading Vazquez is fine. the application just isn’t practical right now.
Just for the record, Jo Jo Reyes is on the DL- he’s not getting traded any time soon
June 22nd, 20093:07 pm
Not sure I want to be the Cubs tonight. Having to fly in for a day then head to Detroit. Granted they swept the hapless Indians but I strongly suspect the Braves are pissed and will most likely take it out on the Cubs this evening.
And Bravedawg, good points on GA and Casey. Go Braves!
June 22nd, 20093:08 pm
Stop being so negative, N8. Your numbers are wrong because the Braves are righteous.
Jo Jo was placed on the 15 day DL May 22, this is June 22!!! I am quite sure he is off by now….
June 22nd, 20093:09 pm
And as much trade value as some of you apparently think he has, he’s not worth that much.
“Oh how bout Francoeur and Jo Jo for Hanley Ramirez and some prospects?”
Man! All you would-be GM’s need to think before you type. Do you think other GM’s say “What trade can I make to help the Braves today?” Please stop thinking of scenarios involving our crappiest players being traded for superstars. Use the time you spend thinking of this nonesense to learn about baseball.
Send Francoeur down if needed. Who cares if he gets pissed? And as for Vazquez, you could trade him within a week if you wanted. MIL, STL, and TOR are all apparently able to add payroll if needed and need pitching. With STL and MIL duking it out for the Central you could drive the price up pretty nicely.
June 22nd, 20093:10 pm
Correction to my 3:05: That leaves three divisions in which to trade him to.
Hence my suggestion of B.Jones, and Reyes for Spilborghs, Spilborghs seems to have fallen to 5th OF for the Rox!!!
cabravesfan – next thing you know, you’ll be saying we won’t consider trading Ryan Langerhans for some crazy reason you’ll concoct.
June 22nd, 20093:11 pm
Let’s trade Vazquez for Steven Strasburg
and Dude is Lefthanded and has some pop on that fastball!!! worth quite a lot in the big Leagues….
June 22nd, 20093:12 pm
John Deere Green-
ummm, you do know the “15 days” is the minimum time one has to spend on the DL, right? Not the maximum?
I don’t think Jo Jo’s got any trade value right now
“But he can’t be traded to the NL West or AL West” FloridaBrave
Unless they asked him to waive that limited clause to go to a real contender. But other than that, you’re point is correct. About Wren only having a handful of teams to move him to.
That being said, his trade value will still be much higher in the next 5 weeks, than at any point this upcoming winter.
That leaves three divisions in which to trade him to
In which to trade him to? Who are you? Chip Caray??
Since i live in Jersey and i been watching a lot of Phillis Games the last few years…I think the Phillis is not going to Win the Division. First last year was unique year..Perfect season for there closer and and over the head year for a few player (Werts,Victorino,Rollins).
This Division going to be decise in the last months of the Season between The Braves & Mets. Nine Games between the last week of Aug 7 Sept…So you better buys those ticket…
Again with the damn italics!!
June 22nd, 20093:13 pm
Face it folks, the only way Francouer gets traded is if KC comes calling,
June 22nd, 20093:14 pm
go to the Braves website and see for yourself, Jo Jo does not have DL placed by his name….
D-E-N-I-A-L is the word ya’ll are looking for. I’m out.
Trade Langy? Are you kidding?? Why would we do that?!? (oh wait, you mean he’s not… DAMN IT!)
KC the blogger or KC the Royals?
Everyone thought kyle davies had no value as well!!!1
The Dunn trade is only good if you can put him at 1st base to limit his liabilites on defense. McLouth would be exhausted with an outfield of Dunn and Garret Anderson
June 22nd, 20093:15 pm
Too lazy to go back and see if I got any hits on my Thames/DeJesus trade scenarios, so here again… GA and pitching prospect to Det. for Thames…Frenchy to KC for DeJesus. Nothing wrong at all with those trades and they would help out all teams involved since apparantly KC GM likes Frenchy and all.
Yes he does-
* 37 Jo-Jo Reyes L/L 6-2 230 11/20/84 15-day Disabled List
June 22nd, 20093:16 pm
Maybe ,Acosta, and B.Jones but you get the gist of what I am saying…a Spilborghs type move is all that can be accomplished without raping the Farm!!!!
it seems like the smarter way to approach the Coach/N8 question is this — does anyone imagine that this Braves ballclub will be able to reel off a string of victories (7 straight victories, 8 straight victories)? If they aren’t able to do this sometime (like, in say, July), and play 500 ball most of the rest of the time, there are no playoffs for this team.
June 22nd, 20093:17 pm
Stay tuned for the exciting proposed lineups that will include 3 actual Braves and 5 guys from other teams. It’s riveting I tell ya.
June 22nd, 20093:18 pm
Here’s a little note from Buster Olney today:
The Indians are ready to deal Mark DeRosa, but they want a young pitcher in return, and the Cardinals are not willing to give up any of their better young relievers (Jason Motte, Chris Perez or Kyle McClellan), and the Mets won’t part with Bobby Parnell. The Yankees demonstrated some interest in DeRosa before, and if they believe that Alex Rodriguez might continue to struggle this year, DeRosa would be a heck of an insurance policy. But even the Yankees are coping with some financial limitations this season, and they haven’t been engaged on DeRosa for a while.
The Yankees have some financial limitations?
The way things are going, we could win the division by accident. We won’t do anything until this team learns some basic concepts of the game (baserunning, defense), though. Also, there’s a reason Jose Guillen has played for so many teams. Bobby would probably give the Esco treatment to this guy for attitude alone.
You don’t know Vazquez could be traded within the week. So there’s that…
Blue Jays aren’t a candidate to land Vazquez. What do the Cardinals have to offer? They’re not trading Ludwick- they wouldn’t have anything after Pujols if they traded him.
That leaves the Brewers, and they’re on record as being uninterested in trading Hart, Hardy, Gamel, and Escobar.
If there’s one thing Wren has showed is that he’s extremely aggressive. Accusing him of “sitting on his @$$” is unfair. Even if Vazquez was made available, it’d take some time to trade him. That’s just how deals work.
June 22nd, 20093:19 pm
Jo-Jo Reyes (P)May 21 2009, 07:54 pm ETBio | News Archive
Before Thursday night’s game, the Braves announced that Jo-Jo Reyes had been placed on the 15-day disabled list with a strained right hamstring that he suffered while running toward first base during Wednesday night’s eighth inning.
This transaction created a roster space for right-handed pitcher Kris Medlen to make his first career start during Thursday night’s game. Reyes is running out of chances in Atlanta, as he takes a 7.00 ERA with him to the DL.
like I said,May,not 30 days later, no groin, nor hamstring issue takes that long unless torn, he is just idle….
We got 7 innings of Octavio Dotel for Kyle Davies. woooo!
June 22nd, 20093:20 pm
You are so right. Some don’t have a clue
RHR – they’re up early. We might actually see TWO men behind the plate tonight if we can pull off that Victor Martinez deal.
June 22nd, 20093:21 pm
Dude was still tradeable, and you expect more for reyes….
BREAKING NEWS: SRB……Reports that The Atlanta Braves have finally found a taker for Jeff Francouer. Ronnie’s Place of the Atlantic Beer League is offering free beer to all current Braves players on the 25 man roster for one year. Bobby Cox response to the trade was, “Yea now we can lose and not even know it. Wren announced that a drinking game will be used. Strike outs = downing one beer. Oh wait…….that could make players want to lose.
June 22nd, 20093:22 pm
Alonzo, great point. Unfortunately, since we haven’t won as many as 4 in a row (and haven’t won a series in 8 or 9 series), the odds of us winning 7 or 8 in a row at any point, is very minimal, imo.
It’s what I’ve been saying for weeks. Those old Braves teams (and any other team that wins it’s division), usually had a stretch of ball where they go something like 25-5 or 30-10, and then merely play “.500 ball” the rest of the year, and possibly a losing month somewhere along the way.
For 4 seasons running now, this core group of players has shown that it is NOT capable (even when we had Tex and now when we have a VERY strong rotation), of going on a run like that.
Which is why they won’t be winning anything this year. If (BIG IF) this team can have one acceptionally strong month, (as well as either the Mets, Marlins or Phillies), the NL East is surely up for grabs.
But, personally, I don’t think the Braves have it in them to do the deed.
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