1:09 pm June 22, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
Steve from OH
June 22nd, 20092:02 pm
So yeah, it’s just for arb. If he’s non-tendered, he can make the league minimum or a team could try to sign him to a minor league deal. I don’t think we could sign him until sometime in May if we did non-tender him (if we wanted to bring him back on a minor league deal; God I hope we don’t), but don’t quote me on that part.
June 22nd, 20092:03 pm
McLouth of the South – Seeing the big fella full time at 1B would be fun to watch
Are you a Sadist or something
Efrim and Steve from Ohio: Alvarez played here (Lynchburg, VA) through yesterday. He is quite a bit over-rated. As of Saturday he was only hitting .251. Fair defensive player. Makes some great plays and fumbles easy ones. Word here is that he is already on the Pirates 40 man roster, don’t know that for sure, though.
June 22nd, 20092:04 pm
Va–I think he is. I believe it was part of his deal when he signed.
Canadaian braves fan, Just a little advice if I may, but, the black font on the red background is not a good idea. Makes it very hard to read.
The forecast tonight isn’t great but hopefully it will move through before game time. I hope we don’t have another delay tonight. You have had a rough go of it lately with the weather. So DOB goes into Boston with rain forecasted for the whole weekend and he sails right through no problem. That must leave you asking “why me” a little right?
McLouth of the South
Guys keep talking about trading the underperformers. I say again- what do you think you would get for them? Answer: crap. You have to trade value to get value. Now is absolutely the time to trade Vazquez as you would be selling high. Kotchman is a tradeable asset right now because he’s only in ARB 1. Keep him through next year and you couldn’t get a bag of balls for him.
John Deere Green
June 22nd, 20092:05 pm
OMG Dunn???/ Ludwick??? I am damn glad you guys don’t run the front office!!!!
June 22nd, 20092:06 pm
Go and Check some STATS before you post Garbage Players Like Dunn, and Ludwick!!!!
BraveNewWorld – Our issues aren’t with the infield, they are with the OF.
Agreed but the proposed trade wasn’t Kotchman for a power outfield bat but Kotchman for 1/2 year of LaRoache. Still I don’t thing you weaken your team at first for the rest of this year and all of next for the type outfield bat that Kotchman would bring in return
June 22nd, 20092:07 pm
McLouth of the South You don’t have to trade value for value, you could trade for value with potential value. An established pitcher and a prospect can bring a solid bat. What we should have done was go after Ibanez. Right now though, we are stuck because there aren’t too many power hitters out there right now and the ones that are, are looking for a big contract in coming years. The next big pickup we make is probably the final one of the season for us so it has to be someone worthwhile. Season will basically ride on this trade, so yeah – got to make a good move.
June 22nd, 20092:08 pm
So Vazquez, Kotchman, Francoeur and a prospect for Victor Martinez. Cleveland’s in last place and will be sellers.
John Deere Greene,
what stats are you referring to?
do you mean dunn’s .267 avg, 18 HR, and .900+OPS??
Ryan Ludwick #47 RF» Add Widget
BA HR RBI OBP SLG
.240 10 36 .315 .434
Some freakin upgrade!!!!!
It’s unlikely the Nats would want any more prospects. They would want major league ready players who they can plug into their every day lineup or starting rotation right now.
Javy Vazquez gives them an immediate number 3-4 durable rotation starter.
So that trade scenario seems like it would benefit both sides. Nats starting ERA this year…not good.
Meanwhile, Braves are lacking power. Dunn can brings us that.
John Deere Green,
Yeah Ludwick. Don’t tell me you haven’t been paying attention. Guy’s been hurt for a better part of a month and will still end up with around 30HR and 100RBI. Which one of our stellar OF-ers do you think will approach those numbers?
Freeman & Heyward may get here sooner than you think. Both are pure hitters & are progressing nicely. I’m not advocating this season, but but sometime in 2010 for sure, provided they continue their good hitting.
This team in the later part of 2010 should look something like this.
Infante 2B (probably somebody else)
Maybe Schafer or McLouth ends up getting traded, but I seriously doubt it. That’s a very afforable line up & leaves plenty of room to put a lot of money in the rotation. Lowe, JJ, Hanson, KK will be there or should be I should say.
There are a slew on good prospects coming up as relievers as well. Should see a very competetive team that won’t cost a fortune for at least a 3-4 seasons.
In late 2010 this team will have power, speed, & hitters who hit for average. Just about everything we’re lacking now. Hopefully a new manager is in here by then & then we can sit back & watch a core group of guys like Hanson, JJ, Escobar, Freeman, Heyward, Schafer & Mclouth for many years to come.
June 22nd, 20092:09 pm
John Deere Green If you think Dunn is a garbage player than you know nothing about baseball, He’s got more homeruns/rbis in last 4 years than any other player and the guy walks a lot. His OBP is great and we can just put him at first. We aren’t getting him though, his value is too high and Nats know it. Dunn has been nothing but solid all of his years, very reliable.
Yes and 72 strikeouts, and poor defense!!! Got that with garrett Anderson!!!!
Look The front Office is NOT GOING TO TRADE FOR ADAM DUNN!!!!
Not Now not EVER!!!!
June 22nd, 20092:10 pm
No more trading away our prospects!!!! Trade some our players and build for next year. We’re not going anywhere this year so get prepped for 2010 & 2011. This is a team that has to start thinking beyond the next 3 or 4 months. If not, we’re doomed for the next 5 years. JM
Correct, and His defense at first is very sub-par!!!
June 22nd, 20092:11 pm
fastasballs We can’t move Mclouth, he’s too good. In fact, we should resign him ASAP. He is probably the best addition to the team in years. Let Schafer figure out the bat and then throw him in RF/LF. Platoon him with Diaz next year. The guy has so much potential…
For every step forward, the Braves seem to take 2 steps backwards..This current team can’t even put together a good week, let alone a good month…Unfortunately for Vasquez, it’ll most probably be more of the same for him today.
Also CR, when do you think the powerful Braves are going to hit their next homerun? I’m guessing not before the end of this month, but likely sometime in July?
June 22nd, 20092:12 pm
Thank you joe for the stats backup. TN Brian – Vazquez for Dunn is a similar salary, similar contract need for need swap. Plus they have too many outfielders and we have too many starting pitchers. John Deere Green – Dunn has an OPS around .950 and is on pace for yet another 40 home run/100 rbi season. You don’t want that?
I wonder if its just coincidence that the Cubs have started hitting since they fired their hitting coach.
And look at the Rockies. Since they fired their manager, they are something like 18-6.
The Braves need a spark. They need a new voice. Somewhere.
NC Braves Fan
The negativity is warranted … the Braves have a right fielder, 2B and LF who can’t hit consistently enough to do too much … and the defense on the left side of the diamond has been spotty at best.
Kinda limits the chances of reeling off a good seven game streak when you have so many different issues.
John Deere Green, calm the F down dude…chill.
Try a full year of Spilborghs if you want to go get an outfielder!!! But Dunn??? Ludwick???
and Ludwick was hurt, and is still hurt, no one in their right mind trades for an injured player!!!!
June 22nd, 20092:13 pm
John Deere Green I’m not advocating it because his value is too high but he would be a great solution to our problems. You may not like him, but he’s a offensive powerhouse.
This Pittsburgh Post-Gazette link from MLB Trade Rumors is kind of interesting to me.
This is the part I like:
McCutchen’s instant success would appear to vindicate the Pirates’ patient approach with their top prospect, given that general manager Neal Huntington and director of player development Kyle Stark had maintained for months that they would not promote him until he was prepared to excel.
“First of all, I’m not that smart to envision Andrew going up and hitting .333 with nine extra-base hits in 78 at-bats,” Stark said last night. “However, the idea of making sure a player is ready to compete rather than survive is part of our approach to promoting players. We felt Andrew made huge strides in Instructional League last fall and wanted him to display those adjustments in games that mattered while proving to himself — and us — that they were solidified.”
What’s not to like about Ludwick? Dude has a career .843 OPS in 1500 PA. In a down year so far his OPS+ is 97 after putting up 125 and 110 over the last two years. And Dunn is a lifetime .901 OPS with 5000 PA. That is perennial All-star level hitting. Now his defense…
Oooh…it’s in blue.
June 22nd, 20092:14 pm
I hope Cox retires after this year, it’s obvious his style of managing isn’t going to work. Bring in someone new already.
Dunn is on pace for 140RBI, and 45HRs on the worst team in baseball.
No I quite frankly have had enough Statues playing any position for the Braves…..Dunn is very immobile!!!
As far as the 80% goes, is that just for arbitration? Andruw Jones is making about 10% of what he did last year, but since he was released from LA, maybe thats a different situation.
Well, Jones is still being paid by the Dodgers, so that’s not entirely true. Hampton would have been a good example ($15 million -> $2 million). But regardless, yes, you cannot have a player’s salary drop more than 80% in an arbitration year. A free agent can have their contract fall all the way to the league minimum if their play warrants it.
In tendering a contract to a player (or renewing the contract of a player not yet arbitration-eligible), a club’s salary offer may not be less than 80% of the player’s salary and performance bonuses the previous year or less than 70% of his salary and performance bonuses from two years earlier.
Francoeur’s salary will be at least $2.7 million next year if he’s offered arbitration. If he’s non-tendered, he becomes a free agent and can be dropped down to the league minimum.
June 22nd, 20092:15 pm
Obviously you wouldn’t trade for someone who’s injured. If that’s the case then you look elsewhere…
Ryan Ludwick had over 30 HR and 100RBI’s last year and no major injuries.
He’s been dealing with an injury for the last month or so, and is now coming around. Depending on how bad that injury is or how quickly he can get back to normal, he’ll be back to form in no time. Guy is a legit number 4 or 5 RH hitter. Exactly the type of hitter the Braves need.
June 22nd, 20092:16 pm
Joe, don’t let the record confuse you, Nats have a great offensive team. Dunn, Zimmerman, Johnson, Guzman, all great players.
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
Yes, our Braves are losing on the field and at the gate. The remaining 94 games are nothing more than an effort at futility. Stick a fork in them, they’re done. It’s time to sell and soon.
I also like Ludwick.
Chop Chop: “Andruw is still getting his money, Pete. In order to release Andruw, the Dodgers worked out a deal with him to defer up to $12 million of his 2009 salary ($21.1 million big ones) over the next five years.”
I know, and hes getting only about 10% (90% cut) of his 08 salary this year from the Rangers. As Steve said I do know there is some sort of rule that a team cannot cut a player’s salary by more than 20% from previous year, but I think that applies only if hes with the same team; just not sure if it applies prior to arbitration eligible or during arb as well or??
June 22nd, 20092:17 pm
Adam Dunn #44 LF» Add Widget
BA HR RBI OBP SLG
.267 18 49 .402 .529
and Fielding stats career
Total as LF 985 951 7959.2 1844 1740 46 58 7 .969 2.02 .480
Not Good not at all!!!!
An injured Ludwick is way better than a healthy Francoeur.
Obviously you wouldn’t trade for someone who’s injured. If that’s the case then you look elsewhere
Agreed on that point, but if they are getting close to being recovered from that injury, why not?
June 22nd, 20092:18 pm
With V. Martinez on the team:
1. McLouth (CF)
2. Escobar (SS)
3. C. Jones (3B)
4. Martinez (1B)
5. McCann (C)
6. Anderson (LF)
7. Diaz (RF)
8. Prado (2B) or Kelly Johnson (2B)
John Deere Green so throw his ass on first and his offense will compensate enough.
Ludwick has Pujols to protect him, and a very short outfield from whence to amass HRS, not at the Ted dude!!!
June 22nd, 20092:19 pm
Put Ludwick in this line-up and he is Jeff francouer!!!
bravenewworld…very true, nats offense is capable.
John Deere Green you look at those hitting stats and see “not good at all”?
If that’s the case then I don’t know what to say other than your and idiot.
June 22nd, 20092:20 pm
Maybe I am in the distinct minority here, but I don’t really see that the Braves need to make another deal. The rest of the division is in a tailspin.
Meanwhile, our lineup looks completely different with Casey Kotchman back. That is a consistent quality AB, and the Braves will score more runs because of it.
By the way, Garrett Anderson has hit .308 with a .351 OBP in June. Those complaining about him need to start paying attention.
This team has a shot. A lot will hinge on Kelly and Francoeur. Braves cannot afford to have two out machines in their lineup. But both have shown signs lately of breaking through. Time will tell, but I don’t understand the impulse to sell.
getsomepower Why position McLouth as the lead off? He’s tops in RBIs and HRs in ATL, put him in 2nd at least.
Victor Martinez? Id be willing to eat crow if this happens, but I don’t think CLE will let him go.
Puts Nationals offense with our pitching, we’d be running away with the NL East right now. That team can hit.
BraveNewWorld, I’m not advocating trading McLouth in the coming years, just throwing stuff out there. I’m just excited for the next few seasons with the prospects & the young guys on the team already.
Cody Johnson is a wild card in furture years. His raw power is unreal, 20 plus homers playing in a pitchers park at Myrtle Beach is amazing. He still has huge stike out #’s, but is improving in that area slightly. His walks are up & so is the average. He could seriously make some guys expendable in a few years.
Spilborghs, Dye, and other seemingly available outfielders woukld suffice the Braves needs for now.
Dunn is too much of a defensive liability anywhere on the field, and Ludwick is a by product of Pujols…..
June 22nd, 20092:21 pm
Also, Ryan Ludwick has hit .189 with a .282 OBP since coming back from the injury. Not sure how he is “coming out of it”, but I’m not sure he is the solution.
June 22nd, 20092:22 pm
When did Ludwick start hitting ahead of Pujols? On some level isn’t he protecting Albert, not the other way around? Seems to me he’s been coming up with bases empty on many occasions this year, Albert having 23 dingers and all.
VaBravesfan, thanks for the Alvarez info. I feel bad for Pirates fans. Although not really.
fastasballs, haven’t we rushed enough prospects? Heyward AND Freeman by 2010? I guess it’s possible for them to be September callups. But meaningful roles on the team like Schafer? I sure hope not. Braves need to enter 2010 not thinking about those two. Schafer in CF, McLouth in a corner, Kotchman at first and a new bat on a short term deal in the other corner.
I am not discounting Dunn’s ability to draw walks, get on base, and hit Hr, but 18 bombs, and only 48 rbi smells a little like solo shots to me, and not clutch at all…..
June 22nd, 20092:23 pm
People talking about Victor Martinez, just stop. You are out of your mind if you think, A) The Indians are trading him, and B) The Braves have the pieces to get him. He isn’t going anywhere.
Anytime you have Pujols in the line-up before, or behind he is protecting your ass!!!!
June 22nd, 20092:24 pm
I really like McLouth’s game. Plays hard, he’s very fast, hits for some power, and can get em in the outfield. I say put him in left once we construct a proper outfield. With normal production from other parts of the lineup, he is a perfect addition near the top or bottom third of the lineup.
You’re talking a very different class of hitter there McLouth, very different, One will be enshrined in the Hall of Fame, the other won’t even be asked to wash the steps!!!
June 22nd, 20092:25 pm
Epinephrine you cannot be serious?
Our Braves would have to play .600 baseball from now until the end of the season in order to have any shot at the playoffs. They haven’t done that since 2004. Wake up and smell the coffee. It’s over.
What do you all think the Rays would give us for Javier Vazquez? They are statistically the top scoring team in the majors.
June 22nd, 20092:26 pm
John Deere, Id take 45 “solo” or two run shots on my team any day.
We need to go after Nelson Cruz. Texas needs pitching, we have it, we need a bat, they have it. 18 homeruns, 45 rbis this year so far.
If Dunn were acquired I don’t foresee Chipper moving to the clean-up spot, so who is going to protect Chipper???
Seeing as though the other teams in this division are bombing as well, the Braves need to decide quickly if they are buyers or sellers.. If we are going to be sellers, then wait a while until we can get something better for any of the players that we are going to part with..
Now if we are going to be buyers ( which we should definitely be considering we have played horribly lately and are still in the thick of things) then they need to do something quickly so we can take advantage of the other teams struggles in our division..
My guess is that it’s probably during arbitration years, Pete. While arb-eligible players are completely under team control, there has to be some safeguard against them being screwed by their teams.
getsomepower Pat Burrell but I doubt they’d trade him. Wouldn’t mind seeing him in an Atlanta uniform.
Francoeur could go to the Rays also.
June 22nd, 20092:27 pm
5 solo shots, and 45 errors at 1b!!!! way to pick your poison there joe!!!
Canadaian braves fan
thank you I need the help and advice for a good mark, how was the short read?
I stand corrected about McLouth.
Would Texas trade Nelson Cruz though?
John Deere, McCann would, duh
June 22nd, 20092:28 pm
I meant 45 solo shots
June 22nd, 20092:29 pm
McCann has enough protecting to do without picking up someone that strikes out 150+ times a year!!!!
There is a lot of blame that could go around for yesterday’s loss. But the most egregious player was Garrett Anderson. He choose not to come home on the sac fly to Davis Ortiz and we let the back-up catcher score and didn’t hit the relay man. Thats 2 runs despite the errors and blow call by the umps.
Supes, joe and everyone else…Thanks for the backup on the Dunn idea. Probably won’t happen, but that’s an instant injection of offense to a team that wins win they score 4 or more runs. Adam Dunn takes us from pretender to contender right away. Gotta get back to work. Thanks again
getsomepower I think they would but we would have to give them Vazquez and someone else. I doubt they’d take Frenchy since they’re just oozing with outfielders, though. Probably would have to be a pitcher and another pitching prospect for Cruz. I think he has the best upside out of all the other players. Blalock is solid and so is Byrd but I don’t think they’ll amount to what Cruz is capable of doing.
Here is something I wanted to throw out, since we all like to talk about so many different topics. Lots of people say Bobby need to go, I’m of that opinion too (I hope it doesn’t happen in any kind of brutal or ugly fashion like it did with Smoltz or Glavine though). After Bradley wrote that article last week about Cox’s possible replacements, I’ve been thinking about who I’d like to see the Braves get as their next manager, whenever it does happen.
I’ve been stewing it over, and before you respond with any ideas remember you have to keep it realistic. For example, don’t say Mike Sciosia, give me a break why would he want to come here? And don’t speculate on any guys that could possibly get fired if they fail this year to make the post season, like Joe Girardi or Lou Pinella or something like that. Keep it real.
The only guy I liked off Bradley’s list was Freddy Gonzalez. I like him pretty well, but he would not be my first pick. I am not in favor of Terry Pendleton, I think we need to disconnect from the current coaching staff and am not in favor of internal candidates with exceptions being Eddie Perez and possibly Roger McDowell.
I have been stewing it over. My number one candidate is Don Mattingly. Here are my reasons why:
1) New blood.
2) Knows and understands the values of fundamentals, having played and coach for the Yankees and now the Dodgers for several years. Those organizations wrote the book on fundamentals (look what Scoscia has done).
3) Would relate great to younger players, b/c he’s not too old, they know who he is etc. He’d command respect. Also on the other note too though, he has quite a few years of coaching under his belt now too, so he would have more coaching experience than other younger guys (such as Eddie Perez).
4) An offensive minded guy. The team currently and probably for the near future with young offensive help being needed, such as Schaffer, Heyward, Freeman etc. A guy like Mattingly would probably be excellent to bring those guys along. He also could probably hire a great hitting
coach and have a good idea on how that whole mission should be handled.
5) Biggest ? is, would he be interested in ATL? Don’t know if he’d be an Atlanta type guy or not, as in even interested in the job.
My second candidate is Ron Gardenhire, but I’m almost not following my rule on that. Because I don’t know if he’d be interested in Atlanta at all. Only reason I can think of is if he might think it may be time for a change of scenery from Minnesota. Some times you can get stale if you stay in one place too long.
Here’s my one last comment on the game yesterday, and really this goes more to the current roster. WHY WHY WHY is Gregor Blanco on this team????? Better yet, WHY did he get a start when you need all the offense you can get especially and going up against the Sox in a hitter’s park. It makes no sense at ALL. And as far as being on the roster don’t tell me b/c there’s no back up center fielder. Diaz or Francoeur either one could play center if needed in emergency situations. If another corner outfielder is needed in an emergency situation, Prado can be stuck out there for a game or two. Blanco is THE definition of dead weight. He needs to go now. Also, Norton needs to be cut, not brought back off the DL. Canizares should be left as the 25th guy. See what he can do, he’d be a good pinch hitter. Also if he does well he might could be some trade bait to an AL team as a pinch hitter.
June 22nd, 20092:30 pm
Coach. We are 4.5 games out, and the Phillies and Mets are just as flawed teams as the Braves. We may not have a very good team right now, but we certainly are not out of it, and I can guarantee you that whoever wins the NL East will not do it playing .600 ball the rest of the year.
Lamar1Banks2, he also came back the next inning and evened the score, so not sure how your analysis holds up there.
wish i had that job
June 22nd, 20092:31 pm
DOB returns after a day to catch his breath.
A day to catch his breath?? He worked ONE SERIES after taking two off. Last we heard from him he was stuffing his face after the game yesterday. Wish I had his job.
June 22nd, 20092:32 pm
Okey Doky then…….I can see that this new blog has gone right off the deep end.
D-E-N-I-A-L is the word ya’ll are looking for. I’m out.
Original Jon, made a change, let me if it looks better
Epinephrine the fact that PHI has lost 6 straight and we are STILL 4.5 back says it all to me. This is when we should be pouncing but we can’t. I don’t even think we have had a 5 game winning streak all year. We’ve got to get something going, a streak, a wave to ride and go from there. We’ve taken 1 step forward and then 2 back this whole year.
ben zobrist from the rays would be sweet. i dont think they would trade him in a million years, though.
Adam Dunn is on pace for over 40 HR and 110RBI. Yeah but that darn defense, we wouldn’t want that on OUR team.
June 22nd, 20092:33 pm
Pedro Alvarez was promoted to Double-A Altoona today. I guess the Pirates aren’t too worried about him.
June 22nd, 20092:34 pm
Here’s one to chew on:
Escobar + Kotchman to CLE for VMartinez
Vazquez to TEX for Andrus, prospects
After the Indians trade DeRosa they’d still have Esco and Peralta to play the left side, and both players they get back are under control longer and cheaper than Victor.
Epinephrine, I truly think Cleveland would have to listen to that offer.
June 22nd, 20092:35 pm
that last part meant to say Canizares may have good trade potential as a designated hitter
June 22nd, 2009
ben zobrist from the rays would be sweet. i dont think they would trade him in a million years, though
I was thinking of the same player. I would put him 5th.
Chop Chop: “My guess is that it’s probably during arbitration years, Pete. While arb-eligible players are completely under team control, there has to be some safeguard against them being screwed by their teams.”
Arb eligible players (2.5-6 years of eligibility) MUST be given arb if player and team cannot agree to a salary; it is NOT an option for the club. So a team cant really screw a player during these years. Salary will be chosen by an arbitrator after club and player submit the salary amount.
Mattingly would be a very intriguing choice, thanks for the post. Maybe sign on a Don Baylor or Eddie Murray (is he even interested in coaching?) as a hitting coach, and Glav/Maddux/Smoltz as pitching coach? Could be a winning recipe…
June 22nd, 20092:36 pm
everyone, please remember these various ways we are learning to get coach to leave.
Wouldn’t a Vazquez for Alex Rios trade make sense for Both the Braves and Blue Jays
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