1:09 pm June 22, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
June 22nd, 200910:14 pm
Im Baack and your fing out
All round good game tonite, kudos to the team!
rob in SC, as ignorant as your 10:03 sounds at first glance, I’m kinda starting to wonder about that myself. The only thing I can think about Hernandez being up instead of Canizares is his defense is much better. But, hitting is kinda the problem so…
rob from sc
June 22nd, 200910:15 pm
And 90 Strikeouts
I was just joking about Cox not liking Cubans
Too bad Kelly started his period on the field tho!
June 22nd, 200910:16 pm
we should be able to jump all over that Wang jobber tomorrow night. awesome!
McFann, I like the games like tonight.. A close game.. Makes it better than a blow out game..But a W is a W
Kenny Powers knows Bobby loves Cubans. He smokes one every night
I was only joking because I can’t stand Bobby Cox
Aight McLouth, truce I was just funnin ya man.
June 22nd, 200910:17 pm
Double A is a tougher league than AAA (Rob)
no it isn’t, not from top to bottom. that is a total baseball blog myth. May have a few more real high-profile prospects, but the depth of experience at AAA up and down each roster more than makes up for that. And even most of those top prospects spend at least some time in AAA. Man I hate when I read that.
Wayne in Utah
Diory is showing us why we never heard about him much when the Braves were discussing their potential middle infielders.
No range and average arm. No bat. How has Chris Burke been doing?
Wow, Nate-Dawg Is Small, He Looks Like a kid…
June 22nd, 200910:18 pm
Braves are awsome! Things are about to turn around guys. We could be in first in a week!!!!!
LSU tied it in the top of the ninth!
I like them, too. I just said that ’cause McCann went 0 fer.
I hate wrestling. I knew Orton would win. Vince loves him so Orton
I’m feeling calmer now. Thought we were going to find a way to blow it.
The Cubs suck by the way. They’re still going to world series though as far as SportsCenter is concerned. There I go again.
But if ever there was a team or a fan base out of touch it’s the one that gets excited about comeback wins over the horrificly god awful Cleveland Indians.
Thank God for the Indians though, their arrogance outshone their bats in ‘95. If only we could have played the Orioles in ‘96 and then made it to the series in ‘97. We could have beaten the Indians one more time. It was not to be I suppose.
Kenny Powers thinks the best part of the win tonight was all those Cub fans riding home knowing that times may change but the Cubs will always be the Cubs
June 22nd, 200910:19 pm
Many prospects skip AAA
I had to listen to that song on YouTube…
Its a Good Party Song especially when you want to get Crunk with Football players at a college party…
rob from sc
It was a draw ~_~
June 22nd, 200910:20 pm
I think the pitching advantage for the Braves over the Yankees is just a bit more than it was against the Red Sox. Wang and Chamberlain are not exactly tearing it up (Joba probably should be a reliever) and we have Lowe going up against Pettitte. Since we are playing at home, the Yanks won’t have the DH either…there’s hope that we perform well against them.
Tomorrow will truly tell if our offense sucks. If we can’t score on Wang then we really suck.
And in my opinion Orton = Awesome
Great to see the bravos get a win tonight. missed most of the game due to being on prison ministry tonight, but heard last couple innings on radio on way home. have a great night braves fans and haters alike.
Steve from OH
Not true. And keep in mind who you are arguing with at this point. He knows an awful lot more about this stuff than you or I.
June 22nd, 200910:21 pm
I don’t get it…why not bring in Bennett for the save?
LoL. ya just have to look at it this way. McCann is a great catcher..
Nothing like a nice 10-hit shutout.
June 22nd, 200910:23 pm
Nothing like a nice 10-hit shutout
Hey, as long as it says “0″ under the “R” who cares how many hits they give up?
And keep in mind who you are arguing with at this point. He knows an awful lot more about this stuff than you or I
Good thing he’s not arguing with Coach. Coach knows everything.
June 22nd, 200910:25 pm
I HAVE SAID THIS TO MY COUSIN FOR THE LAST MONTH BUT I FEEL VERY VERY SORRY FOR VASQUEZ. THERE IS REALLY NOTHING MORE TO SAY
June 22nd, 200910:26 pm
cabraves – No doubt. I was a little surprised. But Javy bunched them in a couple of bad innings and then did his best Houdini.
Javy is money. Probably our best trade piece for that big bat, but I don’t want to part with him. He’s just too good.
June 22nd, 200910:27 pm
I’m surprised Bennett ain’t the closer, knowing Bobby. When Bobby takes a liking to a guy, he’s the man, going all the way back to Blauser. He allowed Blauser to play through a lengthy slump in the 90s. Nothing Frenchyesque, but a long one, and THAT Jeff came out the other side in one piece. Bobby’s definitely got a thing for Bennett for some damned reason. Wouldn’t have surprised me at all to have seen him in the ninth tonight.. lol
some prospects make the jump
Longoria had less than 150 at bats in AAA
Andrus skipped AAA
Trevor Cahill – skipped AAA
Vin Mazzaro both skipped AAA
June 22nd, 200910:28 pm
First of all, why would you shout that? And second of all, this gets my vote for stupidest/most pointless post of the night.
Maddux used to throw games like that all the time And I agree about Javy- at least the “javy is money” and “I don’t want to part with him, He’s just too good” parts…
June 22nd, 200910:29 pm
well goodnight all…
June 22nd, 200910:33 pm
If Frenchy hit home runs on all the bad pitches that Paul Lentz claims that he should have hit out, he would have 85 home runs by now. By the way Paul, you do know that Joe Simpson actually played major league baseball. Don’t you think that he might know a little more about it thatn you?
June 22nd, 200910:34 pm
log on to http://www.newblogofbraves.blogspot.com good reads and poll question
June 22nd, 200910:36 pm
Robb from SC
Two things you should know.
1) Nolie has no reason to lie to you
2) Nolie has about 35 more years of experience than you do including time “making his living” in baseball.
June 22nd, 200910:38 pm
Nolie is the most interesting man on the blog…….when he drinks beer, he prefers Dos Equis (sp)
June 22nd, 200910:39 pm
Many prospects skip AAA (Rob)
some prospects skip AAA, but most do not. and my point is that even if there are some extra prospects at AA, the quality up and down each roster more than makes up for it. There would almost never be more than a prospect or two per team who skipped AAA but most of the other 20 guys on each team would be some better than the 20 on AA teams.
I agree it has changed a bit since my days working there, back then almost all prospects went step by step.Not too long B4 that they were starting at D ball. Of course D,C and B ball leagues are gone now, replaced by “rookie leagues”. The joke was that no city wanted to be call a “B or C or D’ league. If they couldn’t be at least A level, Rookie league sounded better.
June 22nd, 200910:40 pm
It happens (Rob)
yes it happens some, but not enough to make up for the depth. Forget it, believe what you will.
June 22nd, 200910:41 pm
Wayne–I had a genetics professor back in college that looked just like the Dos Equis guy….
June 22nd, 200910:43 pm
AAA may be a “harder” league, but success in AA is probably a better barometer for MLB success than AAA. AAA is littered with grizzled vets and AAAA hitters that know how to play the game but are not good enough for the bigs. In AA, you get the mix of high ceilings and significant inexperience. But I’d take a good line from AA over AAA any day of the week from an up and coming prospect.
June 22nd, 200910:44 pm
Kenny Powers reels of a gem now and again. lol
June 22nd, 200910:45 pm
Except that he would literally drink a 12-pack of Diet Coke every day instead of Dos Equis. I guess he just wasn’t that interesting…
June 22nd, 200910:46 pm
And just so we are clear-I wasn’t supporting or attacking anyone’s point there. I’d argue the vast majority of prospects would do a lot better to go through AAA than skipping to AA. And in some cases, skipping can be quite detrimental. Just throwing it out there.
June 22nd, 200910:51 pm
Did Bob Horner ever play in the minors, at all? I know he and his sidekick Bucky Woy refused at one point. Can’t remember if he eventually went down for a few weeks or not.
I wonder which side, AA to the majors or AAA then the majors, JF would say was best?
June 22nd, 200910:53 pm
I don’t think he did, Shamus…
June 22nd, 200910:55 pm
I understand what you are saying. I just think that if he spends half this season at Mississippi and hits really well. Then goes to the AFL and crushes the opposition like Tommy Hanson did, then he might not need time in AAA.
June 22nd, 200910:56 pm
I believe Xavier Nady was the last person to skip the minors. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Strasburg spend minimal time (if any) anywhere besides Washington.
I just mean the very special talents can skip AAA. I think Heyward is one of those talents.
I also am a firm believer that 20 year-old kids aren’t emotionally ready enough for the big leagues…
Coach (2010 or Bust)
June 22nd, 200910:58 pm
Bob Horner went straight from Arizona state to the Braves starting line up. He never played in the minors. In fact, Horner actually homered off Bert Blyleven in his first game as a Brave and went on to win the national league rookie of the year in 1978.
But Horn’s will always be remembered for his four HR performance on July 6th, 1986.
It seems like a lot of pitching prospects are skipping AAA. Especially in Oakland. It must be an organizational thing. I believe Tommy Hanson’s time in AAA was a super 2 thing. I could be wrong though.
June 22nd, 200910:59 pm
I was one of the (seemingly) few that thinks that Hanson both needed and benefitted from his time in AAA.
Lars Taint…………..uh, while I may not have every played Major League baseball, I dont have to be an “ex player” to know that 15 homers in 852 at-bats is “not a good thing”.
Am I asking too much to expect more than 4 homers in 253 at-bats all season from a guy who is touted to be “a home town hero who hit more homers than Babe Ruth while in High School”?
Dude, I dont “expect” a player to hit a homer on every mistake pitch that a pitcher makes. But COME ON!!!!!!!!!!! 15 FREAKING HOMERS in his last 852 at-bats?
Steve from OH
LaBron James was ready for the NBA. Every individual needs to be judged on there own.
June 22nd, 200911:00 pm
Steve, when I grow my beard, I look a bit like the Dos Equis guy! But I am not interesting though…..
And we can’t make any decisions based on how Schafer performed. If he would have hat hit this season, I would still say some players need time in AAA.
Huh, I seem to recall a time when Diory was the next big thing to lead off for us. Boy, the times are a’changin, huh?
That sounds like a pretty horrible time.
June 22nd, 200911:01 pm
I wouldn’t look for Jason Heyward in an Atlanta Braves uniform until sometime in 2011.
Bobby’s Cox (June 22nd, 2009 10:02 pm): “Kelly hits against righties, and KJ hits against lefties*
*not a typo”
What is that — some kind of virtual or imaginary platoon?
I think Steve from OH is talking about the Braves trying to send Horner down and the Stuff hit the fan, Woy threatened everybody in the Braves organization and refused to send Horner to Richmond.
June 22nd, 200911:02 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust)……………I remember that 4 homer game that Bob Horner hit against the Expos. His 4 homers that day matches the 4 homers Francoeur has hit in 253 at-bats this year.
OK, I wanna get off that other stuff and say what a great game the Braves played tonight. I was nervous as a virgin in a house of ill-repute all night, but they came through in the end. I can empathize with the guy who says he always has a feeling of dread, but that makes the successes so much sweeter IMO. My man Javy was great again. Glad he got a reward this time. As several of us pointed out when we got him, W-L % often doesn’t show how well a starter does.
This is Random’s favorite subject. He is the real authority on it.
June 22nd, 200911:03 pm
Justin Upton had all of 15 games in AAA, and only 71 in AA. I can see Heyward following that kind of trajectory, IF he continues to succeed. But there is no guarantee that he will. I’ll start talking about AA when he can play in more than 5 games in a row without re-injuring himself.
If Tommy Hanson pitches really well against the Yanks and we win another one tomorrow night, we might be dangerously close to picking up some momentum.
KL–I just responded to Shamus’ first question. I must confess that I didn’t read the rest of his post…sorry Shamus!
June 22nd, 200911:04 pm
Vazquez realized he needed to throw a shutout to win. He figured that if he kept the Cubs from scoring he couldn’t get a loss. I have beed suprised at how well Vazquez pitched.
Most pointless post of the night.
A pandemic of pointless posts, paisan. Perplexing to peg a prizewinner.
Roman Gal, it was horrible. When I have grandkids (God willing), I’ll hold that time over their heads as sort of my “you kids had it easy” speech.
June 22nd, 200911:05 pm
I didn’t know you workrd in baseball. Since you did I have a question. Do you think it would benefit the Braves to use a 6 man rotation in August and September. It would allow them to keep Kawakami on 5 days rest as well as lessen the workload on Hanson and a returning Hudson. Is that at least a solid option. Would like to hear what you think
June 22nd, 200911:06 pm
I don’t think you can make any definitive statements about young players, and what sort of seasoning they need before they are ready to make it to the bigs.
Schafer showed us that maybe he wasn’t quite ready. (unless it was the wrist causing him issues)
But, each player needs to be judged on their own merits.
Mac and Frenchy skipped AAA, and it didn’t seem to hurt Mac, although the jury is still out on Frenchy.
On another subject, we really need some middle infield prospects. I am not impressed with any of the guys in our AAA, AA and MB. I guess I was hoping for a big season from Hicks, but he is a ways off for sure.
Jeff Francoeur has 77 career homers. What are the odds that he will reach 100? And if he does, how many at-bats will it take him to hit 23 more?
Just got home – good win – I’ll read later to see how bad we must have been while winning. Good night!
June 22nd, 200911:07 pm
It’s bizarre to me how everyone wants to deal Javy Vazquez considering he has been spectacular for us so far. Personally, I’d love to see this rotation (though I know it is a pipe dream) next year:
Lowe, Hudson, Vazquez, Hanson, Jurrjens
Having two inning eating ground ball pitchers at 1-2, two strike out pitchers, and a contact guy in JJ-it’d be quite a rotation.
June 22nd, 200911:08 pm
you missed a good one! Good night
June 22nd, 200911:10 pm
Javier Vasquez had an excellent game tonight. Shut outs tend to get the job done, don’t you think? Lou Piniella held both Alfonso Soriano and Milton Bradley out of his line up tonight, in order to rest them. The Cubs took it on the chin accordingly.
Tonight was Javy’s tenth quality start already.
June 22nd, 200911:12 pm
I really like that rotation- I do think it’s still kind of early to give up on KK and it migh tbe hard to find a different role for him or to trade him (although I’m not really sure why that would be…all things being equal he’s a cheap starter)…anyways, it’s a nice problem to have
Las Quotas for the denizens…..or should that be Los Quotos….
“What he did tonight was awesome,” McCann said of Vazquez. “He’s been doing it all year. He seems like he makes every pitch he wants to. He was the difference-maker tonight.”
And one I couldn’t use in the paper for obvious reasons, but I figure you guys can stomach it…
“We hadn’t gotten crap for him,” Francouer said of the lack o run support for Vazquez, though I’m not sure I had to explain that, sorry. “We got two runs. I told him ‘See man, we’ll get you runs.’ Messing with him a little bit. We haven’t exactly torn it up for him, but the way he’s pitched it’s all he needs is two runs every time out.”
And Vazquez: “I battled and made the pitches when I had to. The guys scored enough runs today to make it work. It was a good day.”
And a good night….Nite! DOB is back on the clock tomorrow for the Yanksters….
If Vazquez could just eliminate that occasional bad inning, he would be in the Cy Young discussions.
I was one of the (seemingly) few that thinks that Hanson both needed and benefitted from his time in AAA. Steve
I’m with you. And I also think that the time Schafer spends in AAA will greatly benefit him.
June 22nd, 200911:13 pm
I understand what you are saying. I just think that if he spends half this season at Mississippi and hits really well. Then goes to the AFL and crushes the opposition like Tommy Hanson did, then he might not need time in AAA (Rob)
you might be right, each case is different, but the safest route for long term development is almost always to spend some time at AAA. Granted there are some guys who don’t and still succeed, hell Bob Horner did a bit of alright straight from college. But there have been guys like Betemit and others who did real well in AA and never did much in the show. I do think that as poorly as Schafer did from AA, that might give them added incentive to have most of the guys spend at least a little time at AAA, We’ll see. I just hate to see prospects rushed to the point that they struggle a lot to begin with like Schafer did. A little hard on the confidence no matter who you are, and confidence is very important in any sport.
June 22nd, 200911:14 pm
I’ll hold that time over their heads as sort of my “you kids had it easy” speech.
Hmm…as much as I get that speech now from my grandmother, I could probably send you a good outline.
cabravesfan – I’ll rewind the tape tomorrow – I did check the score a couple of times, and heard the last inning. By the way, Costas’ show on MLB with several umpires looks fairly good from the little I’ve seen so far. I’ll be here late afternoon tomorrow. Night!
What are the pitching matchups for the Yankee series??
I found this about Bob Horner getting demoted. This was the start of a war between him and the Braves.
Perhaps this has already been posted (didn’t read all 19 pages of posts), but the train bump observation seems a little tasteless. In light of the double train wreck near DC.
June 22nd, 200911:15 pm
I am just desperate to have a RF who can hit
June 22nd, 200911:16 pm
What about my idea for a 6 man rotation in August
Roman Gal–well if I’m gonna do it, I might as well do it the right way, huh?
June 22nd, 200911:17 pm
how are the Mets winning with their whole team on the DL
Epinephrine, I am in total agreement with everything you said.
However, Vasquez is the most tradable commodity the Braves have. Why not trade Kenshin Kawakami? the answer is complicated. Politics to start with. He is the first Japanese player to ever play in a Braves uniform. If you ask my opinion, Kawakami can’t be traded without offending an entire country not to mention the large Asian population in Atlanta.
That’s why everybody is mentioning Vasquez and no other pitcher.
I think Hanson definitely benefited from his AAA time…there was no doubt he was going ot be in this rotation at some point, and we didn’t need a 5th starter for most of April so there was no reason to have him just sitting on the bench and not pitching…
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