6:58 pm June 20, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 20th, 200910:35 pm
Jose Guillen is smoke and mirrors… IMO a trade will happen, but Wren is too smart for that one.
I don’t know if it was mentioned or not…
You’ll never guess who was batting 3rd and playing LF for the A+ North All-Stars tonight…why, noneother than Mr. Logan Schafer.
Yes, the Logan Schafer.
JC form UT
Does anyone now when Infante is due t come off the DL?
rob from sc
June 20th, 200910:37 pm
Cody Johnson hit 2 more homeruns tonight. If he can cut down on the strikeouts he has the potential to be a huge power source.
June 20th, 200910:38 pm
Are you really asking what you should record(BASEBALL)? (You need the Tivo that can handle more then one show at a time )
At least you’ll be well fueled for whatever (BASEBALL) you decide to watch (BASEBALL!)
I’m so glad that the Braves got shut out. This way they didn’t need to use Sori or Gonzo another day in a row. see. Bobby really does know what he’s doing.Everybody including him knew that we wouldn’t score enough runs today to need those guys, after scoring 15 in the last 2 games. Now they are nice & fresh like a daisy for Sunday. I just love it when a plan comes together.
June 20th, 200910:46 pm
dripping sacrasm aside, I gotta give you major credit for dropping the A-Team reference there…I watched that show religiously when I was a kid
June 20th, 200910:48 pm
cabravesfan – I have two VCR’s, so my only question is whether I should choose one to simplify my evening, or..who am I kidding, it will be both, and the Braves are the priority. Thanks to the digital conversion I can no longer use my little 2″ TV during class. Also, I will be dropping off so I can keep peace between the dogs – I think the first night will be most complicated. I’ll converse more tomorrow.
June 20th, 200910:50 pm
Good luck with the dogs (Mine doesn’t particularly play well with others, even my brothers’ 2…makes for interesting times when he goes out of town) Talk to you later! Good Night
June 20th, 200910:51 pm
Compared to what we got there now, at least this headcase is producing!
Jose Guillen #11 RF | Bats: R | Throws: R | Born: 05/17/1976
52G 185AB 18R 48H 7HR 30RBI 21BB 32SO .351OBP .405SLG .259AVG (SPolar)
yeah and it only costs 3 to 4 times as much in salary. Real deal huh?
June 20th, 200910:55 pm
Is DeRosa no longer an option?
June 20th, 200910:57 pm
rob from sc,
It would be nice to have “our version” of Adam Dunn in LF by 2011-2012. I’ll take the SO, if he can learn some plate discipline and walk a bunch as well as hit those HR.
I keep going back to the Vazquez possible trade scenario for a corner OF (cleanup hitter bat). Since a few days ago, it was made clear he has a limited “no trade clause”, it limits what the Braves can do. No AL teams, and since the Braves are smart no NL “East” teams. That leaves NL Central and NL West.
Looking out West…Dodgers (have plenty of SP), Giants (Same and have no bat to offer, unless Aaron Rowand is a possibility but I’m sure he makes a lot of money)…Padres…nope….Rockies…yes. Brad Hawpe (who personally I’m not a fan of) could be a real possibility. We just need them to start losing some so he becomes available. They always need starting pitching. Who knows, a guy like Javy maybe what they need, someone who can strike out a bunch of guys on any given night at Coors Field.
From the NL Central…Cubs…nope, Pirates (just made a deal with them), Brewers (Unless you want Corey Hart, which I don’t), Astros (nope…and forget Burkman…he’s making too much money)…although the Cards are still a possibility ( Again…wishful thinking maybe…but they’ll probably make one of their OF available, most like Ankiel. Probably won’t be able to get Ludwick now…Braves missed out in the off-season on that one).
Basically there aren’t many “big impact bats” out there to be had if you are talking about dealing Javy Vazquez.
I just saw the poll…
Are the Braves pretenders or contenders?
That’s just funny.
I read that the asking price for DeRosa is a TOP prospect. I doubt any team would give that up, but asking prices are unreal. I read on MLBTraderumors that the Red Sox want a player like LaPorta, Justin Smoak, or Brett Wallace for Brad Penny. If teams don’t get real then trades will be minimal
June 20th, 200910:59 pm
His OBP is .360. I just wonder how many homers will translate to the major leagues.
OMG DONK, not sure if that was sarcasm directed at me. Surely not, right? I just finished writing my game story write-thru. Had merely taken a minute earlier to let you all know when I got back upstairs, before I sat down to rewrite game story with quotes, what the general mood in the clubhouse was after Beckett stuck it to them.
If it wasn’t sarcasm, then my mad. But I sensed that it was. In which case, I’m shaking my head wondering what you might think it is we do after the game. Because understand that making deadline for the actual paper that has to go to press, that’s quite a bit more of a priority than typing in quotes on the blog immediately after the game.
Again, if it was just a straight comment, no sarcasm intended, then nevermind. My bad.
June 20th, 200911:00 pm
He is but he did hurt his hip at Wrigley yesterday….which he should be smart enough to know where stuff is there, since he’s played there sooo much….he hit that corner in LF and the box the holds the BP phone…..OUCH
So the list goes like this:
An outfielder from the Cards,
Either Cody Ross or Jeremy Hermida
Josh Willingham from the Nats?
Roman Gal: That made me smile, too. Hadn’t noticed that poll until someone e-mailed me. I forwarded e-mail to our online people. I’d imagine it’ll come down. But in the meantime, how does one vote on that?
June 20th, 200911:02 pm
Huh. Braves get 5 hits, yet Beckett faces only 2 batters over the minimum in a complete game shut out. Helps not to walk anybody, huh? Braves got zero walks.
2 DPs and Chipper caught “stealing”. 2 LOB for Braves.
Beckett averaged less than 3.25 pitches per batter, and STILL racked up 7 Ks.
Either he’s 21st century Cy, or the Braves really do stink.
June 20th, 200911:04 pm
Coke replacing giant bottle at Turner Field
I’m really glad the Braves are getting a new giant Coke bottle. The old one was starting to look…old. I think while they’re at it, they should just go ahead and completely redo Sky Field. The whole area just looks sad.
June 20th, 200911:05 pm
I voted no…for no good reason.
June 20th, 200911:07 pm
I would think that the only right answer on that poll would be yes. They are pretenders or contenders, unless there is a 3rd option that I am unaware of? I suppose “just bad” isn’t a viable option is it?
“He was absolutely filthy,” Braves third baseman Chipper Jones said of the Beckett, a Texan who has a ranch near one that Jones owns in that state. “He had a nice strike zone and pinpoint control. He just dotted both sides of the plate with four-seamers, two-seamers, changeups, curveballs — he had it all working….
“You don’t feel bad about a loss like this,” Jones said. “It was a well-played game, a well-pitched game by both sides. You competed, but just ran up against a pitcher who had great stuff. You can go home and sleep well after this one.”
PRADO on Beckett: “His command was very good tonight. He didn’t miss a spot. Hitters, we can hit a pitcher’s mistakes. He didn’t miss a spot.”
Beckett has a 2.22 ERA in 16 starts against the Braves, though only a 7-7 record to show for it. Lately, however, he’s been so overwhelming against them that he’s left little to chance.
In six starts against them since 2005 _ three with Florida, three with Boston _ he’s allowed two runs and 20 hits in 40 innings. Both runs were in one game.
June 20th, 200911:08 pm
OK- Wipeout may be the most awesomely bad show ever- a large man just bounced off a giant red ball and while screaming “Mullett Power!”
June 20th, 200911:09 pm
Cox said Beckett threw a great game.
He also said: “They hit their fly balls off that wall out there and they beat us. Those are typical Fenway hits, doubles that were fly balls. That’s the nature of the beast here. Boston hitters have hit them off that wall for 90 years.
“It cost Derek the ballgame.” Fortunately, he then added this point: “But we didn’t score any runs, so it was going to be pretty hard to win.”
Who is this RH power bat that so many of you think we can get by trading Vazquez? I hear this idea every day on here, but no one puts out a name. maybe that’s because there are no RH power bats out there.
When is that “bad luck” Chick-fil-a cow coming down and being replaced with something that will bring good “home field” mojo for the Braves?
He’s going to have to work on that. I mean if he strikes out 150 times, but hits 35-40HRs, and drives in over 100RBI’s while getting in some walks…the Braves can live with that.
Part of the problem with acquiring a right handed power hitting right fielder is that the ones available are limited. Jermaine Dye would be great, however the Braves will probably have to give up too much to get him. Trading for Matt Holiday doesnt make much sense because he plays left field. I like the Diaz/Garrett combination in left. I feel that the Diaz/Garrett combo batting 7th in the line-up (if the Braves can acquire that big bat to put in the 4 hole, which would allow the LF combo to be slotted to the 7th hole, along with Infante coming back from his injury and replacing Kelly at 2B) can be productive. However, I dont feel that they are productive enough to be batting 5th in the line-up (which Bobby hasnt had much choice but to do, which in turn has led to a lot of the dissatisfaction that Braves fans has with Garrett). Trading for Holliday still doesnt address taking Francoeur’s rally killing bat out of the line-up, unless the Braves wanted to move the Diaz/Garrett combo to right field (which would be a disaster from a defensive standpoint).
Another option could be the Braves acquiring a right handed power hitting first baseman from a team that needed starting pitching. A package centering around Vazquez and Kotchman and a minor leaguer could be put together to get a right handed power hitting first baseman, which would allow the Braves to keep Francoeur in right and move him to the 8 hole (especially when Infante comes back and can replace Kelly at 2nd).
I’m sure that Braves management is exploring possible creative trade scenarios. I like the job that Frank Wren has done to rebuild this pitching staff. It would be a shame to waste it.
If the Braves cant swing a trade, then the only logical option they have to improve the offense is to wait until Infante comes back and insert him in RF, finally allowing the Braves the opportunity to bench Francoeur. In that case, the Braves could have the following line-up:
1. Nate McLouth………….CF
2. Omar Infante……………RF
3. Chipper Jones………….3B
4. Brian McCann……………C
5. Yunel Escobar…………SS
7. Casey Kotchman……..1B
8. Kelly Johnson………….2B
Again, Escobar and Infante can be switched if Bobby insists on leaving Escobar in the 2 hole. Francoeur could be used as a late inning replacement late in games where the Braves have the lead. In that scenario, Infante can move to left and Francoeur inserted in right.
I have a feeling that the above scenario is what will most likely happen, which would allow the Braves to keep Javier Vazquez, which means that the Braves will be relying on our position players all staying healthy for the rest of the season in order to make a run for the play-offs. Having Martin Prado, Kelly and Francoeur on the bench would be serviceable.
June 20th, 200911:10 pm
Unless you don’t think they’re pretenders or contenders. Maybe one can just think they are what they are…a .500-ish team.
June 20th, 200911:11 pm
Brad Hawpe or one of the Cards OF-ers is about it when you are talking about Javy Vazquez.
Unless, barring some unforseen circumstances…the Braves would be 1. willing to trade Javy Vazquez to the Nats for Adam Dunn. Nats can use a solid starting pitcher. It’s about an even swap in salaries. Braves get their power bat.
That was the “just bad” option…but they are only 4.5 back so for the time being…
I keep going back to the Vazquez possible trade scenario for a corner OF (cleanup hitter bat). Since a few days ago, it was made clear he has a limited “no trade clause”, it limits what the Braves can do. No AL teams, and since the Braves are smart no NL “East” teams. That leaves NL Central and NL West.(SUPES)
the limit on Javys contract is no AL West or NL West teams, so you are looking at the wrong teams.
Even if it could be done, which it can’t, you want Colorado to fall off enough to move Hawpe, but why in the world would they want to add the cost of Javys contract in that situation? Doesn’t make any sense to me.
June 20th, 200911:12 pm
Lowe on the Green Monster: “I played here. If you [a pitcher] play one game a year here, it may get you. But if you play 16 it helps you. Because I’ve had many a game where I gave up line drives off the wall that were singles.”
On the standing O he received, Lowe said: “It was a nice gesture. They certainly didn’t have to do it; they didn’t come to watch me. I’ve always said, they’re great fans. Very loyal.”
COX on the ovation Lowe got: “Boston fans, they don’t forget their guys.”
That’s the nature of the beast here.
Shouldn’t he have said, “That’s the nature of the monster here”?
Ok…that was bad.
June 20th, 200911:14 pm
When someone buys some C-4 takes a legal stand against it!
June 20th, 200911:15 pm
“It cost Derek the ballgame.” Fortunately, he then added this point: “But we didn’t score any runs, so it was going to be pretty hard to win.”
Bobby was trying to be humorous, I hope?
June 20th, 200911:16 pm
Hope springs eternal in this well. The game’s not over until the last out. The season’s not over until there’s an E by the Braves’ name.
June 20th, 200911:17 pm
This well too I thnk the blog is getting to me
June 20th, 200911:18 pm
The morale of the pitchers has to be at rock bottom. A lot of pressure on them to not give up runs. The only way to get a win is to pitch a shutout and hit a home run!
How does BC justify putting KJ’s name on the lineup card? Below average hitter and fielder. Except for one brief period of a week to two weeks recently, he has been totally unproductive this year. That righty/lefty crap that Bobby so fervently follows does not work for Kelly, since he is hitting much better against lefties than he is against righties . There are two guys on the bench that can field better than KJ [Prado and Diory], and one that can hit better [Prado]. I would bet that Prado’s average is much better against righties than KJ’s is. So why is KJ playing? You tell me. I certainly can’t figure it out. He is one giant hole in the batting order. Maybe he has pictures of Bobby in uncompromising situations. Probably bought them from Andruw from when Andruw used them to keep hitting clean up even when his BA was below .200.
June 20th, 200911:19 pm
I’m not aware of what the limit to Javy’s “no trade clause is”. Someone here pointed out to the blog that he had one and then stated that it was absolutely NO AL teams. Nothing about the NL West. Now I don’t know, I took this person at their word. So I could be wrong.
At any rate…if the Cards needed starting pitching (and I don’t think they do)…I’d offer up Javy for Ryan Ludwick and maybe throw in Jeff Francouer (just to get him the frak out of here).
Also, like I suggested. Maybe go to the Nats and make a deal for Adam Dunn. Deal Javy (only regret about that is having to face him several times per year).
June 20th, 200911:20 pm
Oh, and Red Sox made it official — Dice-K out of rotation.
Well damn. I was hoping we’d get him back in Atlanta. Let me guess, we’ll get Beckett again. :roll
June 20th, 200911:21 pm
I thnk the blog is getting to me
Don’t worry, I’m here for you.
We want them to get rid of the damn Cow and they get rid of the bottle….it’s nice they are putting a new one up….they should put the old one in the World of Coca-Cola downtown….that would be neat!!!!
June 20th, 200911:22 pm
He wouldn’t have pitched against us anyway…unless they got rained out.
IWON 5000 DOLLARS TODAY TOLD ALL YOU IDIOTS IN ATLANTA BECKETT WOULD throw a no-hitter against the soorry braves,it took only 2hours and 11minutes for 5 singles, BECKETT IS THE MAN,ilove the braves they make me so much money,to bad lowe is on the braves what a waist of talent,lowe hanson,jurriens,read furmans column TRADE CHIPPER its true,this team cannot hit at all,the only reason they are still 4.5 games out is the phillies have lost 5 straight the only reason,this braves team after JULY 2ND WILL be check mate,and i will have so much money extra in the bank,thank you sorry braveskeep up the no -hitting,you are good at what you do NOTHING
June 20th, 200911:23 pm
Thanks- I enjoy you very much although I am hoping someone else will make an appearance tonight
June 20th, 200911:24 pm
People keep talking about Chipper getting picked off first base. If you have been watching the Braves this year, they are the absolute worst base running team in baseball. They get picked off, I have never seen so many runners overslide bases and get tagged out, getting too far off base and can’t get back on a line drive out, it just goes on and on.
THAT’S COACHING FOLKS!! And who does that fall back on?
But again, until we gat Frenchy and KJ out of the lineup, we are doomed.
June 20th, 200911:26 pm
I’m here CabRavESFan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 20th, 200911:27 pm
they should put the old one in the World of Coca-Cola downtown
That would be a neat idea. They have lots of statues and stuff outside of the World of Coke, what’s one more?
Maybe I should take a sign to one of the next games I go to that says something like…
“Take Down the Giant, Pagan Bovine!!!!”
June 20th, 200911:29 pm
Well, he fulfills you in ways that I can(will)not.
sorry buddy- not you
That cracked me up…and I don’t think you have much to worry about
June 20th, 200911:30 pm
Frenchy will be fine soon. He seems to be figuring it out. I’d hate to get rid of him and him turn out to be another Jermaine Dye. He’s playing good defense, and seems to be a little more patient lately. I think he’s about to settle in. KJ on the other hand? DOB’s piece is a little alarming. He can’t figure out how to get out of this slump. How about some Marrrrrrrr-tiiiiiiiiiiiiin?!?!?!?!?!?!?
June 20th, 200911:31 pm
“he fulfills you in ways”"
YES I DO! especially on my vibrating bed
BECKETT PITCHES IN ATLANTA NEXT WEEK,WOW,ICAN SMELL VICTORY,YANKEES WHICH I WILL BE THERE ALL 3 GAMES,TO WATCH MY ACCOUNT GROW IN PERSON,AS YANKEES WILL SWEEP,BOSTON WILL SWEEP, CUBS WILLWIN THE 1GAME,PHILLIES WILL I DONT KNOW ABOUT THEM RIGHT NOW THE BRAVES ARE DONE FRANK WREN WILL FAIL AGAIN LIKE HE DID IN HIS LAST JOB
June 20th, 200911:33 pm
Supes………..Javier Vazquez has a “limited” no trade clause. He cant be traded to any AL West or NL West teams without his permission.
njbraves………It isnt that I feel that a bunch of teams are in a rush to trade their right handed power hitters. It’s the fact that there are teams out there who can score runs but desperately need starting pitching. It isnt that the Braves are “desperate” to get rid of a quality starting pitcher like Javier Vazquez. It’s the fact that the Braves DESPERATELY need right handed power in our line-up.
In order to “get quality” you have to give up “quality”. The Braves can trade a Javier Vazquez and still throw out quality starting pitching. As I said in an earlier posting, trading Vazquez for a potential right handed power bat would enable the Braves to insert Kris Medlen in the 5th spot until the possible return in August of Tim Hudson. A run-scoring play-off contender can afford to give up an offensive player in return for a starting pitcher who can shore up their starting rotation. That is how it works.
However, if the Braves were to fall out of the play-off race by the time that teams are ready to start dealing……….then the Braves would be in a very enviable position as far as making a possible trade that can help next year’s team. The Braves could basically “rape” a team of their top prospects in exchange for Vazquez. If I was Frank Wren, I would ask for a “king’s ransom” from any team that wanted Javier Vazquez. If any team didnt feel compelled to cooperate, then I would hold onto Vazquez and keep him in the rotation for 2010. Frank Wren can then shore up the offense through free agency without giving up anyone (Hudson’s $15.5 mil contract comes off the books after this season. When you factor in his $1 mil buyout, that is a net savings of $14.5 mil. And when you add the $3.375 mil that the Braves could save by not tendering Francoeur, then that makes it almost $18 mil that can be budgeted toward getting that elusive right handed power hitting right fielder).
A lot of play-off teams need a starter of Vazquez’s ability and durability. We either get a power hitter for him while we are still in the play-off chase…or…if we fall out, we get TOP NOTCH prospects for him……or we keep him for 2010. All 3 scenarios have good upside to them. Frank Wren can make a “fair” trade while the Braves are in the play-off hunt. However, if the Braves were to fall out, then he can sit back and wait for a team to “overwhelm” him with an offer for Vazquez.
Either way, if Frank Wren plays his cards right, he can hold out for a really favorable trade that either improves the offense now………or………..drastically improves the Braves future. I can live with either scenario.
June 20th, 200911:34 pm
…especially on my vibrating bed
Is that you?
I am way more then you can handle
June 20th, 200911:36 pm
Hey go vote for the BSPN 20 yr All Star Team…..I only disagree with two of them….
itold you all dodgers would be in ws this year great games out here dodgers and angels,great baseball,BRAVES COULD HAVE GOTTEN TORY HUNTER IN OFF SEASON BUT THE CHEAP AS-S BRAVES WOULD NOT SIGN HIM THIS IS ONE REASON YOU ALL SUX
June 20th, 200911:37 pm
willieg, go to bed child!
June 20th, 200911:38 pm
You should go to the July 2nd game that they are taking the thing down at…retiring it at and have that poster….with a Chik-fil-A cow picture of course.
June 20th, 200911:39 pm
Enough of the drinking of the Kool-Aid this team fate will be the same as the one from years past in that we hang about 4-6 games back and around .500 until about July 9 and then we go on a 6 game losing streak and don’t recover and this seasons failure can be attributed to KJ’s lack of offense and Frenchy’s “self-discovery” aka going 0-4 and grounding into 2 Double plays. Also Cox’s lack of passion to light a fire under his team makes me realize Lou Pinella is a better manager and keeping TP as the hitting coach is right up there with terrible moves this season. I do commmend Wren for the offseason and the McClouth trade but more has to be done and soon. We need another power bat either at 1B or RF (and I do realize Kotchman has not been the problem) and get a 2B that is better defensively and hits for better average than KJ hopefully with Infante coming back 2B will be solved and trade Vazquez and Frenchy/Kotchman depending on which position that power hitter plays. But SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 20th, 200911:41 pm
Javier Vazquez has a “limited” no trade clause.
It isnt that the Braves are “desperate” to get rid of a quality starting pitcher like Javier Vazquez.
In order to “get quality” you have to give up “quality”.
The Braves could basically “rape” a team of their top prospects in exchange for Vazquez.
If I was Frank Wren, I would ask for a “king’s ransom” from any team that wanted Javier Vazquez.
Frank Wren can make a “fair” trade while the Braves are in the play-off hunt.
However, if the Braves were to fall out, then he can sit back and wait for a team to “overwhelm” him with an offer for Vazquez.
You are an “impressive” blogger. I “anxiously” await every one of your “wise” posts.
I like Torii Hunter but there is no way I’m signing him for 5 years/$90 million
June 20th, 200911:42 pm
I read all this crap on here about the braves only 4.5 out are you all kidding me this team is below mediocre the talent in the 1-8hole is not there,the mclouth trade is not working out, trade him to the yankees wren we have good prospects for him
June 20th, 200911:45 pm
I would love to. I’ve probably already been to too many games this year considering my lack of finances and the fact that I have to pay for a ticket. I’m going to a game vs. the Yankees and one vs. the Red Sox, too.
I am OUT of moolah!!
Who wants to pay for me to go to some Braves game this year?
Kelly has pinch hitter written all over him, but Bobby will use every opportunity in his power to prove other wise, apparantly. There’s a fine line with getting too sentamental with your players and bashing them in the media and not giving them a chance to shine. Bobby is and always has been the sentimental type. I think somewhere in between is how to do it, that, I wish we’d see a lot more from the skipper.
June 20th, 200911:46 pm
Well Russell Martin finally hit his first homer this year looks like we won’t see 9 innings of him in the ASSG this year…what a shame…..Ianetta hit his 10th
June 20th, 200911:47 pm
Well considering you can get tickets on the cheap…you must live far away and have to pay a ton for gas…lol
Tn brain JUST got started on how sorry this team is , AND IM 50 THANK YOU SO TAkE YOUR SMART REMARKS and shove them where the braves shine
June 20th, 200911:48 pm
willieg, boy, you need to learn to use punc. marks. Get outa here…GO ON, GET!
June 20th, 200911:49 pm
the mclouth trade is not working out, trade him to the yankees wren we have good prospects for him
Ok, be honest…you’re really a Yankees fan who just wants Nate all to himself, right?
DODGERS AND YANKEES RULE
June 20th, 200911:50 pm
You’re 50 and act like this? Oh, you’re a Yankee fan…that explains the obnoxious BS. Get a life you freakin loser! You’re probably an old drunk that sits around all day and farts on himself.
June 20th, 200911:51 pm
Actually, I live about 20 minutes away. I get the college discount, too. But, there are NO discounts in the Yankees/Red Sox series and I still have to pay for parking sometimes. However, considering I’ve been to about 15 games so far, I’m still out a lot of money.
June 20th, 200911:53 pm
the yankees need any pither the braves have,iknow hanson wont be traded so vasquez,or jurriens,or lowe will work for us ,we have not done good against BOSTON THIS YEAR, we need so extra pickup
Wow..I never knew Torre was soo much like Bobby…lol
June 20th, 200911:55 pm
What exactly is the college discount?
And you only pay for parking sometimes (I’m aware that’s not part of the discount…just asking…lol) ?
I WILL BE AT TURNER FIELD THIS WEEK TN TO SEE A REAL TEAM CALLED THE YANKEES YOU MORON
jukeandjive…………Jeff Francoeur isnt figuring out SQUAT. He is KILLING the Braves offensively. In 54 at-bats in June, he has 1 double and 1 homer, while batting .241. How in the hell is that “seems to be figuring it out”? Dude has 6 doubles and 4 homers in 246 at-bats ALL SEASON.
His 8th inning at-bat in tonight’s game is a common example of Francoeur’s ineptitude. He pulls a mistake by Beckett WAY foul. Runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Instead of hitting a 3 run homer on that hanger from Beckett (which he could have done if he had the skill to wait a split second to hit that pitch for a homer), he hits into a double play on the next pitch. GAME OVER.
I’m not saying that that specific at-bat is what makes him a bad player. I realize that even the best hitters miss hangers. However, with Francoeur, he virtually either fouls off or whiffs right through every hanger or mistake pitch that he sees. Last Saturday’s at-bat against Baltimore where he hit that bases loaded double was another example of Francoeur’s ineptitude. The Baltimore pitcher was throwing nothing but junk that basically had “hit me for a homer” TATTOOED all over it. As Francoeur was fouling off 5 straight hangers, I kept hearing Joe Simpson and John Schiambi both rave about the cuts that Francoeur was taking in that at-bat. I was thinking “damn, what morons”, lol. Francoeur fouled off 5 straight pitches that should have been deposited in the cheap seats. Finally on the 6th hanger of the at-bat did Francoeur hit that double. He should have hit that one out as well.
Yet morons like you are “afraid” of Francoeur turning out like Jermaine Dye. Comparing Dye’s situation with Francoeur’s shows how little you know about baseball. Jermaine Dye had not played that much for the Braves when they traded him to KC. Also, during his time in Kansas City, Dye was injured for 2 years. Neither the Braves nor the Royals could foresee that Dye was going to develop into a great player.
However, Francoeur has played almost every game since he came up in 2005. His past season and a half has been HORRIFIC. Injuries cant be attributed to Francoeur’s bad play. The only thing that you can blame Francoeur’s bad play on is FRANCOEUR himself.
Unlike you, I have watched every inning of every Braves game this year except one (a Saturday afternoon game during the Fox telecast. I live in San Francisco and subscribe to the MLB Extra Innings package on Direct TV. Fox doesnt show Braves games on Saturday in San Francisco). I pay attention and feel I have a good feel as to the capabilities of the Braves. I dont let Francoeur’s “hometown hero” status get in the way of objectively evaluating his abilities to help the Braves win.
June 20th, 200911:56 pm
Both Braves wins and Phillies losses have the identical impact in reducing our “magic number”.
Would you have felt infinitely better if the Braves and Phillies had both won tonight?
Mathematically, you shouldn’t.
perhaps you missed the very large print at the top of the page that says ATLANTA BRAVES but nobody really cares about the yankees or their struggles against the Red Sox (actually I think we rather enjoy the fact that the Sox are 8-0 against them…) so please take you incoherent ramblings to a blg that cares)
June 20th, 200911:57 pm
The real team that just lost a series to the effin NATIONALS? and Benched A-ROID? Ok then.
with a college ID, you can get buy 1/get 1 free tickets – upper level, behind home plate.
June 20th, 200911:58 pm
I like posts like willieg</strong’s. He’s funny.
That’s kinda cool.
THE YANKEES WILL SWEEP ATLANTA BECAUSE THEY CAN HIT AND PITCH ,CHAMBERLIN,SABATHIA,AND AJ GET THE PICTURE TN
June 20th, 200911:59 pm
Roman Gal, on a roll tonight (11:14 was hilarious)
June 21st, 200912:01 am
I only see one person typing in all caps tonight, so willieg must know what he’s talking about.
LSU, regarding your 11:15 question: Unfortunately, I don’t think so.
June 21st, 200912:03 am
willieg……….hey MORON, it isnt McLouth’s fault that the Braves arent scoring runs. Dude has helped solidify the lead-off spot. The Braves are a right handed power hitting right fielder away from being a really good team. If you had the ability to comprehend and understand what happens to a line-up when a power hitter is added to the 4 hole….then you would be able to realize that not only does the clean-up spot improve, but it also takes out a rally killer like Francoeur. It also improves the batting order below the 4th slot because everyone can move down a spot For instance, McCann can bat 5th.
Also, getting Infante back after the All-Star will improve the line-up as well.
Try thinking for a change.
Yeah well – you can’t spell or really write a coherent sentence. Did you finish the 9th grade? How’s your janitor gig working out? Must be fun being drunk all the time.
Man, gotta love no Yankees world series rings for the past 9 years… I bet it burns that Boston has two WS titles while the Yanks and A-roid were busy missing the playoffs last year.
My best friend is as big of a Braves nut as I am and we go to a ton of games together. We split the cost of the one ticket we buy and take turns paying for parking and driving.
Thanks…I guessing you have to buy those at the park…cause they don’t advertise the special online
June 21st, 200912:04 am
June 21st, 200912:05 am
I was listening to Chip and Lemke on the radio a few nights ago during a rain delay and I had to change my mind on the guy. He really does root for the Braves but gives other teams players credit too. Just his style. He was even going on and on how one more hitter with some power would make a huge difference for the team.
Fun with Dick and Jane is on. Probably the most unfunny Jim Carrey movie. I still kinda like it though.
bravos . . .
they want to see the college ID . . . ANY college ID . . .
ilove the braves they make me alot of money in vegas,i got the game today boston minus 167 it was easy pickings BRAVES FANS, AND YES THIS IS THE BRAVES BLOG ILOVE TO TELL ALL YOU IDIOTS OFF.
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