6:58 pm June 20, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 20th, 20099:27 pm
I just don’t think he can identify the pitches anymore. He’s guessing. Combine that with all the moving parts equals a lame three-legged dog.
June 20th, 20099:29 pm
Just my unique way of being mad at both of them….I was pissed when Chipper swung on 3-1 too. But same goes for Jeff. Chipper plain stunk this game….gets thrown out in the first….and swings on a 3-1 pitch…when’s the last time Chipper hasn’t taken a 3-1 pitch?
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
Tonight was the eighth goose egg for our Braves this year. Lowe was good, Beckett was better. End of story.
June 20th, 20099:30 pm
It’s not enough 9pm here and this game is already over……dang
damn, shut out 8 times this year. Beckett only threw 94 pitches… way to make him work fellas. I know Josh was on his game tonight, but I don’t feel like making excuses for the old ‘feast or famine’ lineup that can’t get it done on a consistent basis.
You’re right- the Sox are a great offensive team and we have held them to 5 runs over 2 games. Lowe pitched well, Beckett was outstanding.
Tom A. Hawk
FIRE CHIP CAREY! WE DIDN’T START LOSING UNTIL HE STARTED CALLING OUR GAMES!
June 20th, 20099:31 pm
Okay, now I’m pissed. Terrible. Can’t lose it like that.
That was a pathetic performance in the 9th.
It’s one thing to get set down by one of the best pitchers in baseball… I mean finally, someone I can legitimately tip my cap, someone you can accept getting beat by… but you can’t just give it to him like that at the end. He needed to earn those last three outs and he didn’t.
Whatever, I need to get back to the stuff I put off while watching the game. At least it was quick. Had a feeling D-Lowe wasn’t going to the challenge. Gotta pitch better than that sometimes.
John Deere Green
Until someone IE:Booby Kooks comes to his damn senses, and Understands that there is absolutely no reason that monstrosity of a failure, and the WORTHLESS, and UTTERLY pathetic pieceof SH!T Failurecouer , never needs to come to the plate again with runners in scoring position!!!
Not only is Failurecouer a damn JOKE, Booby is a mentally challenged midget!!!!
Phillies leading 3-5
June 20th, 20099:32 pm
I just don’t think he can identify the pitches anymore. He’s guessing. Combine that with all the moving parts equals a lame three-legged dog. (Couch Tater)
A three-legged dog with his balls cut off
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
I’m not trying to say we made Beckett look good. Just frustrated that Chipper made another bad base running play. I mean if everyone gets on Escobar Why can’t we get on Chipper. Cause Mac did get a hit in his ab…in the next inning. And frustrated that they swing at bad pitches and take ones down the middle…I mean it’s fool me once….shame on you…shame me twice…shame on me. GA was the only one that actually looked for the high fastball…but it was too late.
Let’s get some runs for JJ tomorrow and get the win.
June 20th, 20099:33 pm
Tonight really wouldn’t matter if they had taken 2 more from the Reds & O’s. You’re going to get blanked by pitchers like Beckett from time to time. Those don’t hurt as bad when you beat up on the teams you should beat.
I’d like to have seen Diaz in there tonight & tomorrow for Frenchy. At least that shows the rest of the team you’re trying to win by putting the best line up on the field. With Anderson getting it going a little there is no excuse to keep running Jeff out there every night when the results never change.
Yes he hit a few balls hard, but when it mattered most he did what he does best, hit into a DP on a pitch he didn’t even need to swing at. Maybe Diaz does the same thing, but at least he is willing to go to right field with that pitch instead of pull it, something Francoeur refuses to do anymore.
I loved the Ode to the Frenchman! That was a classic. I hope we brought ole Nikro to throw BP tomorrow. JJ deserves a win.
I know Diaz didn’t really do anything yesterday…but we won 2 games with almost the same lineup…we change it and we loose.
June 20th, 20099:34 pm
And for Godsakes, Please do not defend that PickleNosed SOB Failurecouer!!!!
“This is the second game that a Chipper 1st innings blunder caused a downfall of a game.”
That’s about the dumbest thing I have read on the blog for a while & that’s saying something.
Well, that was a certainly a dominating pitching performance, no?
I believe Mr. Beckett has regained his 2007 form. Why does someone like that always find their groove before facing the Braves?
June 20th, 20099:35 pm
Bravos2249 but we won 2 games with almost the same lineup…we change it and we lose.
Oh yes. I bet it’ll be changed tomorrow, too…what with the DGANG, and all…
Um no it’s not…he got picked off in another game that lead to a loss. Escobar got picked off too, BUT when Chipper got picked off he just stood there and let them tag him instead of getting in a run down to allow Escobar to score.
June 20th, 20099:36 pm
Why does someone like that always find their groove before facing the Braves?
Because we like to help dudes out by swinging early and often.
June 20th, 20099:37 pm
Back to 5.5 games out and 4th place. This team is going nowhere.
Jeff Francoeur’s last at-bat in the 8th inning is a classic example of why he will never be a good Major Leaguer. On that 2-0 pitch that he pulled so far that he hit it out of the park, if he had it in him to just wait a split second, that pitch could have been crushed for a homer. Francoeur fouls off and whiffs through SO MANY hangers that should be deposited in the cheap seats. Against a pitcher like Beckett, a hitter doesnt get many chances to punish mistakes. The game should be tied 3-3. Instead, he hits into a double play, inning over, basically game over. Francoeur lack of clutch hitting simply cost the Braves a chance to win. No surprise there.
In the Baltimore game where Francoeur hits that bases loaded double, he fouled off 5 hangers before he finally hit that double. It was really pathetic. The Baltimore relief pitcher simply didnt have anything that night. Even a Jeff Francoeur will get a hit when given 6 hangers to swing at, lol. Still, one of those pitches should have been deposited in the cheap seats for a grand slam.
J.D. Drew was with the Braves for one season. I know the Braves gave up a lot, however he did have a really good year and helped the Braves make the play-offs.
Compare Drew’s 2004 stats with the Braves……with Francoeur’s best season totals in each category:
…………………………..J.D. Drew 2004………Jeff Francoeur best season totals
slugging pct…………….(.569)……………………(.449) (2006)
on base pct…………….(.436)…………………….(.338) (2007)
stolen bases……………….12…………………………5 (2007)
outfield assists…………….12………………………..19 (2007)
The Braves got one SUPER year out of J.D. Drew in pretty much every category. Drew walked 118 times that year. Francoeur has walked 127 times in his WHOLE CAREER, lol. Drew in 2004 simply DOMINATES Francoeurs best years in the offensive categories that matter, like walks, runs scored, slugging, on base, and OPS. Francoeur best years has somewhat better numbers in hits, RBIs, outfield assists, and doubles than did Drew in 2004.
Francoeur is now down to .246 with 6 doubles and 4 homers in 248 at-bats. Yet Matt Diaz is relegated to the bench.
As the Wine Turns
June 20th, 20099:39 pm
Vinings Jim is going out for more wine! Will there be a storm? Will the runaway train come off the tracks and hit poor Jim’s car causing him to slip into a coma. Will Cabravesfan visit him in the hospital or will Cabravesfan’s evil twin sister Gabravesfan visit Jim instead. Stay tuned!
Jeff Neuteour? Howwwwl!
“BoSox to skip Dice-K’s turn in rotation” -
The Red Sox know when the Braves score many runs against a pitcher that it is time to skip his spot in the rotation.
June 20th, 20099:40 pm
Has Hoss thrown in the proverbial towel?
If we’d have lost night, I’d probably be breaking sh*t right now. I still feel good about maybe winning this series though.
McCann DH-ing tomorrow?
Last 2 games for Francoeur & Kelly Johnson,
Combined… 1 for 11… 5 LOB’s… 0 RBI’s
At what point do we say enough is enough, and stop putting these 2 pathetic excuses for baseball players in the lineup most every game? They’ve both been absolutely useless, and should not be on this team.
June 20th, 20099:41 pm
Day game tomorrow – we will probably be missing McCann.
Chipper saw an opportunity & made an agressive play which resulted in an out. He misjudged how far the ball got away from the catcher. McCann was in a 0-2 hole at the time, not exactly in the drivers seat against a guy like Beckett. I doubt he even attempts that if McCann has a hitters count to work with. Chipper’s a smart player, he knows the game & took a risk at the right time & count. He was caught, no big deal. McCann still led off the next inning.
In no way shape or form did Chipper cost them the game. They simply were beaten by a better pitcher & team.
Compared to what we got there now, at least this headcase is producing!
Jose Guillen #11 RF | Bats: R | Throws: R | Born: 05/17/1976
52G 185AB 18R 48H 7HR 30RBI 21BB 32SO .351OBP .405SLG .259AVG
June 20th, 20099:42 pm
McFann :Ô:, 9:35 pm…”Oh yes. I bet it’ll be changed tomorrow, too…what with the DGANG, and all…
I don’t know that tonight’s game lasted long enough to count as a full game. Call it a DGA1/2NG.
Have we tipped our collective cap to Josh Beckett, yet?
MLBTR has Bowman saying KC is checking out Frenchy this weekend and that Gullien would possibly be in a trade. $12M for a guy who would no doubt be better than Jeff and is a RH guy with some power, but not for that kinda money. I don’t know how the Braves could even fit that in their budget.
No More Bobby
June 20th, 20099:44 pm
Welcome back Braves. Now that’s the team we love to hate.
June 20th, 20099:45 pm
Mixxo McCann DH-ing tomorrow?
I hope not…I’d rather see them put him at first base for one game.
I just do NOT LIKE the DH…
Yeah…I mean, he just had a day off, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Bobby sits him “because they have an important stretch of games coming up, and he needs to be rested.”
I didn’t imply he cost them the game….Just that he made another bad play….he had a late start…since he started late he should have been able to see how far it went. I’m not saying the Braves would have won. But if we are going to criticize the Cuban shortstop whose loud and annoying to some folks, we need to criticize the American third baseman whose quiet and goes about his business.
And just to be clear, I like both of them. They, with Mac, are my top 3 hitters on the team…whose else am I gonna pick….but bad plays deserve to be called out….whether there were 2 outs, 1 out, an 0-2 count at the plate or a 3-0 count at the plate.
Haha! Good point.
We shall see…
What’s the name of your future star playing for San Antonio? Since you are so high on him, I’m gonna try to catch him over the 4th of July week-end.
June 20th, 20099:46 pm
As much as I (and at least one other person) would like to see Mac DH tomorrow, it is highly unlikely because you don’t really want to use both your catchers in the lineup at the same time…
June 20th, 20099:47 pm
Arent we used to this from our offense……..lots of runs………..lots of runs……….shutout———shutout…………lots of runs———shutout————lots of runs———-shutout————shutout.
No More Bobby Now that’s the team we love to hate.
No, no. That’s the team we hate to love.
Chalk this one up to Beckett, what the heck. Big thing is to come out for teh next game and play ball.
Boobie if is going to rain tomorrow, don’t warm JJ up so he pitches an inning and is lost due to rain. Juat make a believe you wanted to start Medlen and let him do his thing, and if it rains in teh second, than come back with JJ. Boobie youi got to think with this bunch of yahoos it is not 1995
If KC would trade for JF, I’d be willing to chip in a buck against Guillen’s $12M.
I don’t see any reason to sit McCann…the game lasted like 2 1/2 hours…and guess what team’s hot….the Cubs.so Monday isn’t going to be easy…but they are mostly hitting homers @ home…..a band box that would be fly outs at most stadiums.
June 20th, 20099:48 pm
O’s just get three runs in the top of the ninth to take the lead over the Philthies, 6-5.
6-5 Orioles. 2 homers in top of the 9th for Baltimore.
June 20th, 20099:49 pm
Blown save for Phillies…gave up 2 HR in the 9th…a 2 run HR to Brian Roberts on a1-2 count with 2 outs…now trail it 6-5…BWAAAHAAAHAAA
BRIAN ROBERTS! Two strike Homerun to take the lead in the ninth.
Chop It Up All-Star
Phillies are losing…go Baltimore!!
June 20th, 20099:50 pm
I don’t see any reason to sit him, either. But, I also didn’t see a reason for taking GA outta the DH spot.
Honestly…I doubt Bobby sits him. I mean, he just gave him a day off. But, ya never cann tell with Bobby. Ya never cann tell…
June 20th, 20099:51 pm
It’s great to read that Kelly has a “solid liner rate.”
There is always something in the world of statistics to make you feel better about a lousy player (and worse about a good hitter).
Negatory on Frenchy for Guillen. Guillen is like 33 and his numbers are just a tad bit better than Frenchy. Get more value Guillen would just ba right handed hitting Loaf
JF/Guillen swap might work if the Royals really want Guillen gone bad enough. They might pay some of his $12M salary and Wren could fit it in the budget. I’m not sure if he’s worth $7M much less $12M though.
The gist of the comments: On a night like this, you tip the cap to the opposing pitcher. He didn’t miss his spots, didn’t give them many pitches to hit, etc.
That’s two runs they’ve scored against Beckett in 40 innings in his past six starts against the Braves, and both of those were in one game.
Does anyone know the Orioles-Phillies score?
June 20th, 20099:53 pm
Screw trying to trade Francoeur…Just let that talent gone bad rally killer walk, and get the cancer off this team ASAP, as in now.
Still 6-5 O’s bottom 9
Royals Still Scouting Jeff Francoeur
By Eddie Schmid [June 20 at 7:14pm CST]
According to Mark Bowman at MLBlogs, the Royals retain interest in Braves OF Jeff Francoeur and are keeping an eye on him this weekend. However, Bowman notes that if a deal were to happen, the Braves might have to be willing to take on the $12MM owed to Jose Guillen.
Guillen is owed another $12MM in 2010 before his contract expires. The Royals’ interest in Francoeur is well-known, though supposedly not everyone in the KC front office is keen on him. It isn’t clear if the Braves would be willing to add any payroll, let alone any payroll that would involve a potential headcase like Guillen.
June 20th, 20099:54 pm
The Braves would only have to pay the prorated amount on the 12mil right?
solid post game reporting DOB.
June 20th, 20099:55 pm
I was thinking the same thing in regard to the Royals paying part of Guillen’s salary.
And remember, it’s only $12 million over the course of the season, if a trade is made at the mid-way point, it’s only $6 million. If the Royals pick up 25% of that (I’m completely making up numbers here), it’s only $4.5 million.
Reduce the approximately $1.75 million Francoeur is owed over the 2nd half of the season, and its $2.75 million to “upgrade” right field over the last 81 games.
Baltimore has 16 hits in the game.
Oh, and Red Sox made it official — Dice-K out of rotation.
June 20th, 20099:56 pm
By the way, here’s a little something for those of you who feel that Francoeur is “hitting the ball better” lately:
In the first 8 games on this road trip, Francoeur is 6 for 29 for a .207 average with 1 double and 4 RBIs. For the month of June, Francoeur has 1 double and 1 homer in 54 at-bats while batting .241. Nice clutch hitting, Francoeur.
Now if Baltimore can hold on this lead, the Braves will still only be 4 1/2 out.
June 20th, 20099:57 pm
Phillies lose…still only 4.5 out…can thank the O’s for doing to the Phils what they did to us
June 20th, 20099:58 pm
Baltimore wins- Braves stay 4.5 out
My bad! I thought it was for ‘09 only. It didnt sink in about the 12mil for ‘10.
With Dice-K now out of the rotation (and probably headed to the DL after he has an “injury” soon), does that mean his spot will be taken by …
The Bearded Icon? (cue dramatic music)
Philthies lose! And their losing streak has reached 5.
June 20th, 20099:59 pm
AWESOME…PHILLS LOSE! Maybe Bobby will DH Garret tomorrow and have Diaz start in LF. I have a good feeling that Matt will hit Wakefield well.
But the Marlins won…so we’re back in 4th
June 20th, 200910:02 pm
Ain’t nothin’ like scoreboard watchin’ in June to make one realize that it ain’t worth scoreboard watchin’ in June.
I’d say it’s worth it but Guillen is more likey to have injuries.
Jose Guillen? $6 mill this year and $12 mill next? No, no, no, no, no
June 20th, 200910:03 pm
Doesn’t really matter as long as the Phillies lost.
June 20th, 200910:04 pm
Jeff for Guillen is a terrible trade. Too much money this year and next. Better to let Jeff walk at the end of the year.
June 20th, 200910:05 pm
Guillen is owed $12 million next year?
How much could we have had Dunn/Abreu/Ibanez for?
If we don’t win games, it doesn’t matter what anyone else does.
June 20th, 200910:07 pm
I would not trade for Jose Guillen. Not much upgrade there. I would rather bench Francoeur and use him as a late inning defensive replacement than trade for Guillen. Guillen is not someone who the Braves could plug into the #4 spot of the batting order.
One person can really make a difference. For instance, on nights where either Chipper or McCann has to rest, the Braves struggle to score runs even more than they normally do. Imagine what having a big right handed bopper would do for the Braves line-up? I’ve said this repeatedly over the past month or so: The Braves are only 1 right handed clean-up hitter away from really being able to make a serious run at the division title. That would enable McCann to hit 5th, which would make the 5th spot more powerful…drop Garrett/Diaz to the 6th spot, Kotchman to the 7th, and of course keep Kelly in the 8 hole. But most importantly, getting that big right handed power hitting right fielder would FINALLY take Francoeur’s rally killing bat out of the line-up.
However, this is all probably wishful thinking on my part. Bobby Cox is in love with Francoeur’s “potential”. I would not blame Matt Diaz for not being happy with not starting. He is a much better hitter than Jeff Francoeur.
June 20th, 200910:08 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic, I don’t know, if KC wants to get rid of Guillen that bad and Atl. wants Jeff gone just as bad, I’d think it could definitely happen. You have to look at the team he plays for and how draining it is to play every day knowing you’ll probably lose. Maybe he could turn it up with Atl. Even if he’d hit .250/18-20HR/80-90RBI’s here, that’s much better than rally killer Jeff would provide. But, you’re right, money is the issue.
Are you guys as excited to see Frenchy try & hit Wakefield tomorrow as I am? Regardless of the outcome it’s going to be entertaining.
If Cox had a heart he would sit Jeff tomorrow & let Diaz play right. It’s just not going to be a pretty sight seeing Jeff try & hit that fluttering, tumbling duck of a ball that Wakefield throws. For Jeff’s safety & our sanity I hope Cox sits him tomorrow.
June 20th, 200910:11 pm
Yeah, the chance that Guillen could turn it around in ATL makes sense as a risk worth taking… until his awful contract comes into play. Way too much money to risk that he comes here and continues to under-perform. I’d rather platoon Jeff with Diaz in RF.
June 20th, 200910:13 pm
I dont understand where is the happiness about phillies loss………….we are the once that need to do the catch up………..they can lose all of their games……….we need to win 5 to catch them.
June 20th, 200910:18 pm
Francoeur & Kelly Johnson…..If only Bobby Cox would stop playing them, the chances for a Braves victory would rise dramatically.
Also, acquiring that elusive right handed power hitting right fielder, along with Omar Infante coming back and being inserted to replace Kelly at second, would do absolute WONDERS to improving the Braves offensive woes.
Here is what a projected line-up the Braves could enjoy putting out there once Infante comes back after the All-Star break and if Frank Wren can swing that big trade:
1. Nate McLouth …………..CF
2. Omar Infante……………..2B
3. Chipper Jones……………3B
4. (Power hitter)……………..RF
5. Brian McCann…………….C
6. Yunel Escobar…………..SS
7. Garrett/Matt Diaz………..LF
8. Casey Kotchman………..1B
I feel that Infante and Escobar can be flip flopped in the 2nd and 6th spot. Infante to me is better suited for the 2 hole in the batting order. He is a better bunter, can hit and run better, and can move runners over better than Escobar. Escobar has better power that could help protect Brian McCann. However, the Braves line-up would still be potent if Bobby kept Escobar in the 2 hole and batted Infante 6th. The point is the replace Kelly with Infante and Frank Wren making that trade for a power hitting right handed hitting right fielder.
Again, probably wishful thinking on my part, however I do not feel that it is too far fetch to “dream” about that possible line-up.
I wouldnt trade JF for Guillen…………he is not better than jeff.
June 20th, 200910:19 pm
Got to love your lineup……….only 1 little problem………….your power hitter………he aint home yet.
June 20th, 200910:23 pm
Doc Holliday, it’s called hope…maybe false hope, but hope that maybe the Braves haven’t yet turned that corner of playing consistantly and we need the Phills and Mutts to lose so we can have that chance.
The Phillies losing means we didn’t lose any ground in the division race. That’s why people are happy. Today basically didn’t matter. It’s good for the Braves. They just need to rally tomorrow and win one to go home on a positive note.
As for trading for Guillen: No freaking way. Too much money, not a high enough average, not the power bat we need.
I really want Nick Green back to play 2B now though. Too bad that won’t happen this year…
I really really really hope JJ’s start tomorrow doesn’t get rained out. To me it seems like every other start of his gets rained out. Really sad that our best pitchers get rained out so much.
June 20th, 200910:24 pm
Told you the old goat’s were out for blood. They haven’t forgotten the rivalry between northside and southy. Better have the riot gear on tomorrow and be ready for war. The SOX NATION will be out to prove Friday was just a fluke, and that they are the superior franchise.
Diaz is 6th on the team in SLG percentage .431, Francoeur is 12th .333 . Not only is he 12th he’s 40 points below the 11th spot currently helf by Kelly Johnson. Prado is 8th by the way. .333 would be great if that was Jeff’s average, hell even if that was his on base percentage it would be fantastic considering that is hoovering around .280 at the moment. Oh Diaz’s OBP you ask? That’s at .348
Does it ever get to a point where Cox benches the guy? In Cox’s eyes potential must be more important than the guy sitting on the becnh slugging 100 points higher. Sometimes being a player’s manager means benching a guy so the other players feel like you’re giving the TEAM the best chance to win.
These are the times that leave you scratching your head. I know Cox is a players manager, but two years of this is enough. He’s not going to get better no matter how many tries he gets. The team may very well improve if Diaz gets more tries than Francoeur, at least until a move can be made.
June 20th, 200910:26 pm
Hey, DOB –
How long’d it take you to come up with the new poll question on the AJC Atlanta Braves news page? It’s priceless:
“Are the Braves pretenders or contenders? Yes or No”
JK — I know you’re not in charge of that. (Right?)
Just thought it was funny enough to mention here.
June 20th, 200910:27 pm
There has to be a better option than Guillen.
June 20th, 200910:32 pm
cabravesfan – turned out to be a non-decision – the neighbors-who-got-married-today (and whose dog will be visiting until Thursday – we’ll see how that works) needed a ride to pick up their cars from the church, which was just past where I intended to go anyway. All is good for tomorrow post-afternoon class (now I have to decide on recording priorities with Braves/Golf – both would be an option, but there’s the dichotomy where the Braves are a hit/miss proposition, but golf unlikely to conclude until Monday).
June 20th, 200910:33 pm
Doc Holiday……….that is why Frank Wren needs to swing that trade, if he can. Infante coming back from his broken hand after the All-Star will be a BIG boost to begin with. Frank Wren has not only prospects to dangle, but also a Javier Vazquez to offer as well for a big bat to replace Francoeur in right. If Vazquez was packaged to trade for that big bat that we need, then the Braves could insert Kris Medlen into the 5th spot of the rotation until Tim Hudson was ready to pitch in August. I would hate to get rid of Vazquez, however the Braves REALLY need right handed power to play right field and bat clean-up. Javier Vazquez would really solidify a lot of teams starting pitching (dont you think that the Phillies and Mets would LOVE to have Vazquez pitching for them right now?). Vazquez is healthy, durable, consistently goes 7 innings, keeps the team in games, and has a reasonable contract ($11.5 mil in 2010). Those are all qualities that any team would LOVE to acquire in a starting pitcher. Vazquez saves the bullpen. Knowing that, Frank Wren has to know that he has a very VALUABLE trading chip in Vazquez.
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