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DWONDER
June 20th, 2009
2:22 pm
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY COX USED SORIANO & GONZALEZ IN BACK TO BACK BLOW-OUT WINS???? DOB, SOMEBODY HAS TO BRING HIM TO TASK ON THIS, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE YOU.
David O'Brien
June 20th, 2009
2:24 pm
503 consecutive sellouts at Fenway
Random
June 20th, 2009
2:24 pm
DOB (June 20th, 2009 1:40 pm): “if it makes you feel better, yes, please switch that Matsuzaka isn’t being overpaid so much as the Red Sox grossly overpaid FOR him.”
Well, of course “it makes me feel better” – much better, in fact — to be able to believe that this blog is being written by someone with analytical capabilities a step or two above those of Jeff321 or MFin04 or the hundreds of other bleaters. Thanks.
“Not that it matters to most people (other than Dice-K and his family) [or anyone with half a brain] whether he’s getting the huge posting fee (he’s not) or it’s going to his old club (it is). What matters, and should matter, to people other than Dice-K is what the Red Sox paid for him. Way too much.”
Why? Why does that matter to YOU? Or to anyone other than the Red Sox (and their fans)?
“And Kawakami’s contract should be judged a year from now, not two months into his first season in the U.S.”
I believe I made that same point about Matsuzaka — you’ll be able to judge whether he earned his $8M salary this year only after his season is finished. Not now. (And I wasn’t trying to make any judgments about Kawakami, btw — just using his contract as a convenient reference point.)
“By the way, it’s $23 mill for three seasons for Kawakami, less than $8 mill per for accounting purposes.”
Split hairs if you wish — the fact remains that he will receive $9.667M THIS YEAR: a 2M signing bonus (paid between 2/09 and 5/09), and an ‘09 salary of $7.667M.
He gets $6.667M in each of ‘10 and ‘11.
But, of course, no one cares about that other than Kawakami and his family, right? (As well as any team that might want to trade for him, huh???)
Bryan
June 20th, 2009
2:26 pm
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY COX USED SORIANO & GONZALEZ IN BACK TO BACK BLOW-OUT WINS?
Because if we didn’t they may very well have not been WINS! Plus, I’m guessing that Bobby was betting on today’s game being a rain-out..
Zookey
June 20th, 2009
2:27 pm
DWONDER
Maybe Boddy should be a weather man….
Mixxo
June 20th, 2009
2:27 pm
DWONDER
Bobby Cox is a baseball jeenyus! To question him is asinine.
Just enjoy the win.
.
Braveheart
June 20th, 2009
2:35 pm
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY COX USED SORIANO & GONZALEZ IN BACK TO BACK BLOW-OUT WINS???? DOB, SOMEBODY HAS TO BRING HIM TO TASK ON THIS, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE YOU. (DWONDER)
Uh, have you watched the games where 10-3 leads and 6-2 leads have been routinely squandered by the middle relievers? Cox likely doesn’t want to find himself in another 15 innings affair in a game his team should have wrapped up when they were up 6-2 after six innings. It’s not the best practice to burn out these guys when you’ve got the game won, but they ain’t been winning alot, and Cox likely just wants to make sure that they actually win the darn games they’re winning, rather than take his chances with the middle relievers like he’s done at times this season. Worry about winning tomorrow’s win game tomorrow, but make sure you win today’s win today (especially when you’re having a hard enough time winning like they have been thus far)
jed
June 20th, 2009
2:36 pm
DOB–”the soul of baseball” is a helluva book. you’ll have a time with that one! there’s also a new bio out on Satchell Paige
cvbraves
June 20th, 2009
2:36 pm
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY COX USED SORIANO & GONZALEZ IN BACK TO BACK BLOW-OUT WINS?
…It’s called “managing.” Some managers like to get a psychological edge by showing the opponent’s that if the next game’s a tight one, you (the opponents) still don’t have a chance. Sometimes it depends on who needs work and who doesn’t. Most pitchers are going to pitch a little side session, anyway, so it really doesn’t matter if they do it in a game — especially against “live” pitching.
Some pitchers thrive on more work rather than less work. Many other reasons, too, but Bobby Cox knows what he’s doing. So, don’t worry about the reasons why, just sit back and emjoy last night’s win…and let’s hope for another tonight.
Mixxo
June 20th, 2009
2:37 pm
D. Lee puttin’ the Cubbies on his shoulders. Another 2 run, game-tying jack for him today…..so far.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
June 20th, 2009
2:38 pm
Braveheart, I understand the short-term rationale, but this kind of overuse is exactly what led to the implosion of Boyer in 2008 and (I would argue) the blowout of Moylan’s elbow after 2007. It’s called managing the bullpen, and it’s one of Bobby’s real shortcomings.
GT81
June 20th, 2009
2:38 pm
Maybe this has already been addressed, but can someone explain what I’m missing about the Glavine situation? What I heard was that he isn’t going to pitch this year, then maybe try again next season. So, how is it that a team will want a year older Glavine when they don’t want the supposedly ready to go Glavine today? I assume Glavine is not delusional, so I figure I must be missing something.
Chop Chop
June 20th, 2009
2:39 pm
Interesting note on Dice-K:
His BABIP this season is .443.
If you put the ball in play against Dice-K right now, you are leaving 1924 Rogers Hornsby in the dust. That’s right, Mr. Baseball Player, you are the best average hitter in the history of your sport.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
June 20th, 2009
2:39 pm
If some combination of Acosta and Bennett and Medlen and O’Flaherty can’t be counted on to give up fewer than six runs in three innings then this team’s in worse shape than we thought.
cvbraves
June 20th, 2009
2:41 pm
beekay
June 20th, 2009
12:03 pm
Wrens offseason moves
D-Lowe-our ace having decent season, not great but solid
KK-gives you 6 strong every night,gutsy decent #4 pitcher
JV- outstanding…for Lilli and Flowers, highway robbery
Loaf- coming on after miserable start
Mcclouth- solid CF signed to a sweet contract for a 4A pitcher and a couple of low minor league players
Great job Frank!!!!!!
….Hey, guy, don’t forget the acquisition of David Ross. Huge move!
Bryan
June 20th, 2009
2:41 pm
So, pitching in back-to-back games is overuse?
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
2:47 pm
Random-
do you by chance know where Dice-K fininshed last year in the Cy Young voting (before anyone laughs, remember he was 18-3)? I ask because top 3 ups his 09 salary…
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
2:47 pm
Before pitching these two games in a row, Soriano last pitched June 12. Gonzo has pitched the 12th, 16th, 18th, and 19th. He’s seen more action recently than Raffy, but it’s not like he’s been pitching every day this past week. Sometimes I wonder about putting these guys in during blowouts, but if they haven’t pitched much recently, it’s not a terrible move. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush…
Bryan
June 20th, 2009
2:50 pm
Exactly, Steve from OH.
And a 5 run lead in the 7th in Boston is no guarantee.
KC
June 20th, 2009
2:51 pm
DWONDER , using Soriano and Gonzo in the finale of the Cinci series actually made sense. Gonzo had only worked once in the previous 3 days, and Soriano hadn’t been used at all in the 3 days before that game. So it was sensible to get them work and get them sharp for the Boston series.
That said, I will disagree with others here who have defended their use last night. I understand not wanting to take any chances, particularly at Fenway. But given the fact that both Soriano and Gonzo had worked the night before… with a 5/6-run lead, you have to at least TRY to avoid using them. Have them on the ready, and at the earliest sign of trouble, you call on them. But you have to try to avoid using them for a second consecutive night with a 5/6-run lead.
What if we’re up by 1 run in the 8th inning tonight? Will they be available again? And what if they do work tonight, and we’re up by 2 runs in the 8th tomorrow? If they weren’t used last night, they would both be available for BOTH of the next 2 games. But that certainly won’t be the case now.
And Joe Simpson brought up another good point last night… with a 6-run lead in the 9th last night, why let the Red Sox get a look at your closer? The hitters Gonzo faced last night either hadn’t seen him, or hadn’t seen him in a long time. So you have familiarized those hitters with you closer WITH A SIX RUN LEAD.
Soriano’s use was not wise, IMO. But Gonzo’s use with a 6-run lead was inexcusable.
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
June 20th, 2009
2:51 pm
During the 2006-2007 and 2008 seasons the Atlanta bullpen’s have posted the three highest inning totals in Braves history ( 512.1 – 539.1 – 554.1 ). Considering the fact that Leo Mazzone left after the 2005 season…….well, put two and two together. I’ll leave it up to each individual to figure out the rest.
Mixxo
June 20th, 2009
2:56 pm
Hoffpower puts the Cubs back in the lead with a 2 run bomb of his own.
4-3 Cubs …….top 7th
KC
June 20th, 2009
2:56 pm
DWONDER: “CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY COX USED SORIANO & GONZALEZ IN BACK TO BACK BLOW-OUT WINS?
cvbraves: …It’s called “managing.”
With respect, cvbraves, I think it’s called “mismanagement”.
Again, getting them work on Thursday made perfect sense. But Soriano and Gonzo may not be available tonight as a result of their use last night with a 5/6 run lead. Especially where Gonzo is concerned, it was the wrong move.
Chop Chop
June 20th, 2009
2:58 pm
I’ve changed my tune on Soriano and Gonzo being used in these blowout games. Both men are free agents this offseason. Bobby ought to just drive them like he stole them. After all, Bobby may not be around after this season. What does he have to lose?
Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead.
Random
June 20th, 2009
2:58 pm
cabravesfan (June 20th, 2009 2:47 pm) –
Good point! I don’t know.
Jeff321
June 20th, 2009
2:58 pm
Well, of course “it makes me feel better” – much better, in fact — to be able to believe that this blog is being written by someone with analytical capabilities a step or two above those of Jeff321 or MFin04 or the hundreds of other bleaters. Thanks.
Lets see what we have here… Ahh!!! Random – Do you not recall me presenting “stats” about DOB getting punked in the clubhouse by Tim Hudson? I asked ya want you thought about that. But, you didn’t bother answering. Now, you want to bring my name up when I said nothing about this conversation?
Chop Chop
June 20th, 2009
2:59 pm
Dice-K finished fourth in the AL Cy Young voting.
KC
June 20th, 2009
3:02 pm
Bryan: “And a 5 run lead in the 7th in Boston is no guarantee.”
No, it’s no guarantee. That’s why you have them on the ready and call on them at the first sign of trouble. But you’ve got to TRY to save them for the next 2 games of this series. And the lead in the 9th, when Gonzo was used, was SIX runs, not 5. Gonzo’s use was completely inexcusable. Again, you affect his availability for the next couple games, AND Bobby gave them a free look at our closer.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
3:02 pm
Coach, why don’t you grow a pair and tell us what you really think, instead of giving your usual “oh, I’m so smart, you figure it out” BS all the time?
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
3:03 pm
Chop Chop
Thanks
KC
June 20th, 2009
3:03 pm
Chop Chop, yeah… but don’t we have close to 100 games left to play? They’re not free agents at the all-star break.
WillBrave
June 20th, 2009
3:06 pm
Regarding bullpen use…it could be that BC would use the bullpen differently if he didn’t think these games were so crucial. The .500 record waterline can be pretty significant from a mental aspect. Seeing some momentum, he may be treating these games like playoff games until the team gets to .500, at which point, the goal of making a run to get back into contention seems more attainable. That said, I would like to have seen him save Gonzo or Soriano one in order to have a fresh closer tonight.
AJC SUCKS
June 20th, 2009
3:06 pm
why cant we all just get along and get high
Random
June 20th, 2009
3:07 pm
PWHjort (June 20th, 2009 2:04 pm): “What DOB said. What matters is what the Red Sox are paying for him, not what he’s making.”
Depends. What the Sox had to pay for the rights to sign him would matter NOT AT ALL to a team contemplating trading for him. No more than what his signing bonus was, or what he was paid in ‘07 or ‘08.
“The question should be: What resources of the club are consumed due to his presence?, not: how much of the club’s resources does he personally recieve?”
Again, it depends on the purpose and context of the discussion.
PS: Yes, Matsuzaka has a full no-trade clause — his consent would be required. And no, I don’t think the Sox will ever trade him. The discussion has taken on greater proportions than just this oone player’s contract — the point is still generally valid.
propp
June 20th, 2009
3:08 pm
maybe Bobby knew the game was getting rained out tonight and wanted his closers to have some work in for sunday or monday
Chop Chop
June 20th, 2009
3:08 pm
Coach,
2006 – Smoltz, Hudson…not a bad start to your rotation…Chuck James, John Thomson, Horacio Ramirez, Kyle Davies, Jorge Sosa, Lance Cormier. Uh oh.
2007 – Smoltz, Hudson…not a bad start to your ro…Chuck James, Buddy Carlyle, Kyle Davies, Jo-Jo Reyes…sweet mother of…Lance Cormier…? Mark Redman…I want to die.
2008 – Jurrjens! Hudson (ouch), Smoltz (ouch), Glavine (ouch), Campillo!, Jo-Jo (oh no), Hampton (permanent ouchie), Morton
I’ve wanted Bobby out as manager for a while, but he had to use the bullpen too much the last three years. It was out of necessity. Would Leo have fixed all those problems?
Hell f***ing no.
I don’t know how good of a pitching coach Roger McDowell is, but the hem of his garment would have needed to have been divinely blessed to fix most of those problems.
KC,
Bobby’s just trying to win, right?
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
3:08 pm
WillBrave–I think so. We haven’t been winning much lately, so I think Bobby wants to nail these games down. And like I said, Soriano hadn’t pitched since the 12th before this two game stretch, so not a bad move. Gonzo has pitched more, so that’s a little less defensible, but whatever. We got a win. I’m happy.
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:09 pm
SoWeGa Fanatic Doc, you are making McFann’s day.
Haha! That he is…there’s just one thing…
Doc H. next to last in Pass balls.
Funny, Doc, the other day you were saying we should move McCann to first because we’ve “seen passed ball after passed ball”. What gives?
bravos2249
June 20th, 2009
3:10 pm
DOB
Okay…Now..IF the Braves for heavens sake had a DH tomorrow….would you put it past them to start Medlen in one of those games?
CB
June 20th, 2009
3:10 pm
Chop Chop, we have been extremely witty and analytical in the last 24 hours. Or do we have an imposter?
Mixxo
June 20th, 2009
3:10 pm
why cant we all just get along and get high –AJC SUCKS
Uhh Ohh….you trying to get on DOB’s sh!tlist too?
Heath (Cleveland)
June 20th, 2009
3:10 pm
Looks like the worse parts of the rain heading towards Boston will be North and South of the city with just a small band passing over the city. May not be too bad…have to keep an eye on it.
bravos2249
June 20th, 2009
3:11 pm
DOB
Well not necessarily for one of the DH….but for an upcoming game…?
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
June 20th, 2009
3:13 pm
Chop Chop, you are the one defending the sheer idiocy of Bobby Cox…..go head on my friend, I’ll keep laughing
AJC SUCKS
June 20th, 2009
3:15 pm
Mixxo- I don’t spend to much time in here to worry about what DOB has to say or think about me… I think this blog sucks… I don’t even know why I come in here…
WillBrave
June 20th, 2009
3:16 pm
Steve from Ohio- I agree, happy with any win…probably a sign of an unhealthy degree of fanaticism, but I usually find myself in a better mood the days after wins, even knowing with this team’s track record, it might not mean much. Hope springs eternal, I suppose.
Braves Fan
June 20th, 2009
3:16 pm
[b]Mixxo[b]
DOB maybe be laugh his butt off at what you said
Random
June 20th, 2009
3:16 pm
Jeff321 (June 20th, 2009 2:58 pm) –
Thanks for driving home my point (2:24 pm). Your timing is impeccable.
Q.E.D.
‘Nuff said.
KC
June 20th, 2009
3:16 pm
Chop Chop, unquestionably, he’s trying to win. I don’t doubt BC’s character or desire to win the slightest. But his handling of the pitching staff not good. Not at all. We never really noticed it when we had Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery/Neagle/Milwood, and capable offenses… but now, it’s pretty friggin’ glaring.
As I’ve said before, there are 2 facets to being a big league manager: leadership and strategy. Bobby is as great a leader as we’ve ever had in this game. Players would run though a brick wall for that guy, there’s always continuity in the clubhouse, and we’ve even been able to attract or retain players in part because of their desire to play for BC. He’s one of the most loved figures in baseball for a reason.
But as a strategist, in my very humble opinion, he’s substandard.
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:16 pm
AJC [stinks]–
That’s OK…we don’t know why you come here, either.
AJC SUCKS
June 20th, 2009
3:17 pm
Most of the people in here think they are coaches… but they are just FANS… some people in here just b1tch in here, i don’t think most people are happy with themselves…. but what do I know??lol
AJC SUCKS
June 20th, 2009
3:17 pm
McFann- SHut up, u dork!
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:18 pm
AJC [stinks]–
AJC SUCKS
June 20th, 2009
3:18 pm
or should I say….MCDumb..??
Salamander
June 20th, 2009
3:18 pm
Mixxo- I don’t spend to much time in here to worry about what DOB has to say or think about me… I think this blog sucks… I don’t even know why I come in here…
To be a pain in the ass?
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
June 20th, 2009
3:19 pm
Chop Chop wrote:
I’ve wanted Bobby out as manager for a while, but he had to use the bullpen too much the last three years. It was out of necessity. Would Leo have fixed all those problems?
UM……Leo fixed the bullpen and starting pitching for fifteen years
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:21 pm
AJC [stinks]–
“MCDumb”…That “c” needs to be lower-case. Sheesh…if you’re gonna insult me, at least spell the word correctly.
Oops…I’m talking, aren’t I? You told me to shut up, didn’t you?
Braves Fan
June 20th, 2009
3:21 pm
[b] Salamander [b]
calm down man
groundfog
June 20th, 2009
3:21 pm
How are we looking on the weather today?
Heath (Cleveland)
June 20th, 2009
3:22 pm
groundfog…
track my posts above
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
3:22 pm
Chop Chop, Coach was supposed to say that (you forgot Kevin Barry, Oscar V., Travis Smith and Anthony Lerew btw). Though I suspect that he won’t address the question and will instead choose to ridicule you.
I also suspect that he thinks either A) Cox needed Mazzone to tell him how to use the bullpen, or B) Mazzone would’ve taught those guys how to not be terrible. Although A) is both not true in this instance and wouldn’t likely affect the overall number of bullpen innings thrown by a significant amount, but rather which pitchers were used and B) has nothing to do with Cox.
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
June 20th, 2009
3:23 pm
KC is correct, Cox abused his bullpen last night and the proof is right in front of us.
Kawakami was on cruise control. Cox pulled him after just 83 pitches. Why? Only God knows.
But here is the real kicker. Our starting pitching has been outstanding and yet the bullpen is once again on pace for another 500 innings of work. Figure it out people because Leo Mazzone would never do such a thing.
AJC SUCKS
June 20th, 2009
3:23 pm
groundfog — the weather here is HOT!!
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
3:24 pm
Oops, I see that he already got to it at 3:13. And didn’t really make any point whatsoever at 3:19. And he wonders why we don’t hang on his every word?
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:24 pm
groundfog–
Here’s the hour-by-hour thingy from weather.com. Doesn’t look too bad, actually.
Here’s the “interactive weather map”, too. Frankly, I can’t work that dang thing…I know how to work, but the thing just doesn’t want to function for me.
Whoops…there I go talking again…
propp
June 20th, 2009
3:24 pm
McFann, I think you either have someone jealous of you or a secret crush. Isn’t that how elementary school boys act when they like a girl?
David O'Brien
June 20th, 2009
3:25 pm
Rain’s supposed to get here between 6 p.m. and gametime. But they’re still playing at U.S. Open, for what that’s worth (I say that because they thought it would rain harder earlier there).
So maybe if it’s only light rain, or later arriving, Lowe and Beckett can get a quick one in. So far, still nice here. Getting cloudy, but still nice out.
Coach ( 2010 or Bust)
June 20th, 2009
3:26 pm
Lets see if I have this in order. Chop Chop is vainly trying to defend the idiocy of Bobby Cox, while Steve is attempting to do the same for Chop Chop.
The circle jerk is complete. I’ll let you gentlemen finish exciting each other.
David O'Brien
June 20th, 2009
3:26 pm
By the way, it’s Wakefield tomorrow, not Dempster as originally listed. So in Beckett and Wakefield, Braves will be facing two guys who are unbeaten this season at Fenway, after facing a guy last night who’s lost every start here with an ERA in the mid-8’s at Fenway.
PWHjort
June 20th, 2009
3:27 pm
Random,
What was the point you were trying to make origionally? If it is that Matsuzaka is more of a bargain for a club than Kawakami, you’re not correct.
TnBrian
June 20th, 2009
3:27 pm
I guess this means double header in Atl. when Boston comes to town. Oh man, in the humidity of the south playing back-to-back…they’d definitely be earning their millions there.
AndyC
June 20th, 2009
3:28 pm
AJC SUCKS
Why don’t you go fire up your bong and go back down to your mom’s basement and leave us alone. A$$!
David O'Brien
June 20th, 2009
3:28 pm
Chipper DHing, G. Anderson in LF, Prado at 3B tonight. Not sure of exact order, but those are the changes.
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:28 pm
propp–
Ha…if that’s how they act, that’s just another reason to love that I’ve been home-schooled my whole life!
And jealousy will get him nowhere!
DOB So far, still nice here. Getting cloudy, but still nice out.
Dangit…you tryin’ to rub it in?
Heath (Cleveland)
June 20th, 2009
3:28 pm
The rain that has been at Bethpage Black for the US Open (which has been ALL DAY), is likely what we’ll see at Fenway. The heavy rain is north and south of that trajectory.
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:29 pm
Man! GA made for such a good DH! No offense to Chipper, but…
AJC SUCKS
June 20th, 2009
3:29 pm
yawn
Jeff321
June 20th, 2009
3:29 pm
Random – Just like I thought, dude. You can’t comment on DOB getting punked in the clubhouse. I guess either admitting Tim Hudson needs anger management classes or Cox and his fairytale “respectable” clubhouse are a load of crap is too much for you to tackle.
Stay on the fence, coward.
keylargo
June 20th, 2009
3:31 pm
I keep seeing bloggers rip Bobby for using Soriano and Gonzalez on back to back days. I have never thought of using a one inning pitcher two days in a row as over using him but I looked up one of the foremost closers in to seeMLB how he did.
I used KRod (Francisco Rodriquez) of the Mets, who was with the Angels last year, and had 76 appearances.
He had 29 appearances with no days rest.
He had 20 appearances with one day of rest.
He had 8 appearances with two days rest.
He had 9 appearances with 4,5, 6 days rest.
Overwhelmingly, his stats were the best when pitching on ZERO days rest.
His WHIP was lowest at 1.125 with ZERO days rest.
His OBP was lowest at .287 with ZERO days rest.
His OPS was lowest at .542 with ZERO days rest.
His BA against was lowest at .181 with ZERO days rest.
Shoots the He!! out of Bobby Cox not knowing what he was doing, AGAIN!
AndyC
June 20th, 2009
3:32 pm
McFann
That interactive weather map thing isn’t worth two cents. It has been raining at my house and I have looked at the weather map and it doesn’t even show that it’s raining. Worthless.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
3:34 pm
In 2007, Leo Mazzone’s Oriole bullpen threw 524 innings. In 2006, they threw 512 innings. Never allow that to happen, huh?
Chop Chop
June 20th, 2009
3:35 pm
Coach,
Take a look at the last four years of my postings. How often do I defend Bobby Cox? It takes a mentally deficient mouthbreathing charlatan like you to get me to do it. Your BS is so rancid that I can’t avoid regurgitating some sort of a defense for the man. You are, without question, one of the most insipid posters this blog has ever seen. Will Luis Durango submit to your will? I don’t know. Unrequited love is a b!tch, but you’ll chase after affirmation like a rabid three-legged dog with an impotent pink thing.
Mixxo
June 20th, 2009
3:36 pm
My N.E. pals on a musician’s forum I frequent are busting my nads today. I dunno ….all I did was start a thread with the title…Dice K was awesome last night!
Talk about some panties in a wad!
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:37 pm
<strong<AndyC–
Oh I know. I can’t stand that thing. They spend so much time changing the format of it that they don’t spend any time actually improving the thing. A couple years ago it worked OK, but now…yeah, not worth 2 cents.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
3:37 pm
Coach shows his maturity, as always. And you say you’re a senior citizen? You sound like a drunk, PO’ed sh!theel frat guy.
McFann ;Ô;
June 20th, 2009
3:38 pm
Shoot…I messed up the bolding of your name, AndyC…sorry about that.
AJC SUCKS really
June 20th, 2009
3:39 pm
Mcdumb have a goodnight!! I’m off to play my x-box!! bye B1tches!!
Heath (Cleveland)
June 20th, 2009
3:40 pm
The band of rain that has flown over Bethpage, heading towards Boston seems to be dissapating.
Random
June 20th, 2009
3:41 pm
cabravesfan –
“Matsuzaka ended the season with an 18-3 record, 2.90 ERA and held opponents to a .211 AVG, the lowest in the majors. He also led the AL by leaving 80.6 percent of the baserunners he allowed stranded.[27] These numbers were enough to place him 4th in the American League Cy Young Award race.” (Wikipedia)
It seems that he just missed that $2M bump.
KC
June 20th, 2009
3:42 pm
Coach ( 2010 or Bust), in fairness, the total number of bullpen innings this year is probably skewed because of all the rain delays and the poor work from the bottom of the rotation through the first month or two of the season.
But, there’s no question that BC uses key relievers in situations where he shouldn’t, and often leaves both starters and relievers in longer than he should (which is the opposite of what he did last night when he pulled KK aft 83 pitches, which as you correctly pointed out, made no sense at all unless something was wrong with him.
Braveheart
June 20th, 2009
3:43 pm
DOB influenced me to listen to some Steve Earle today. While listening to Guitar Town, I noticed a good line that could apply to the Braves in 2009. Since the Braves are paying the rotation about $37 million this year (Lowe $16, Vazquez $11, Kawakami $8, and the league minimums roughly $3 mil combined):
Everybody told me you cant get far, On thirty-seven dollars and a jap guitar
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
3:43 pm
Random–Dice K’s FIP last year was .403. Doesn’t mean anything about his end result last year, but showed that he was probably pitching over his head and this year (and 2007) shows it. I don’t think he’s as awful as he’s been this year, but I don’t think he’s a sub-3.00 ERA pitcher, either.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
3:44 pm
Er, 4.03…
PWHjort
June 20th, 2009
3:45 pm
Lord.. Loaf in left at Fenway? Help us all.
PStone
June 20th, 2009
3:45 pm
ATLANTA AREA FANS,
Is there a group that meets to watch Braves away games? or a particular bar people go to?
Heath (Cleveland)
June 20th, 2009
3:46 pm
As a career American Leaguer…GA should have plenty of experience in left at Fenway.
Mixxo
June 20th, 2009
3:47 pm
Dang!! This Cubs game has turned into a good’n.
4-4 bottom 8th
Mutts & Rays on soon too. Go Rays!!!
AndyC
June 20th, 2009
3:47 pm
keylargo
I don’t know if it’s effective to use one of the best closers in the game as your example. But, those are impressive stats. Let me give you an example of a pitcher that Bobby worked to death last year. Blaine Boyer. Pre All Star game 51 games 3.93 ERA 1.23 WHIP .237 BAA. Post All Star game 25 games 11.17 ERA 1.71 WHIP .321 BAA.
We can throw examples at each other all day. My point would be that there are really only 3 guys in the Braves bullpen that Bobby trust. Moylan, Soriano, and Gonzo. All three have had a major surgery within the last 2 years and Soriano and Moylan within the last year. All three are near the top of the league in appearances. I hope I am completely wrong, but I see at least 2 of these guys being completely burned out by the last month of the season. Again, I hope I am wrong.
Braveheart
June 20th, 2009
3:48 pm
Unrequited love is a b!tch, but you’ll chase after affirmation like a rabid three-legged dog with an impotent pink thing. (CHOP CHOP)
You certainly got a way with them there words, Chop Chop, lol
Random
June 20th, 2009
3:49 pm
PWHjort (June 20th, 2009 3:27 pm): “What was the point you were trying to make origionally? If it is that Matsuzaka is more of a bargain for a club than Kawakami, you’re not correct.”
No “point”, actually — just a minor (and I thought, noncontroversial) clarification.
DOB stated that Matsuzaka was overpaid, which he is not (yet). It spiralled out of control from there.
I was making no point at all about Kawakami.