I didn’t have a problem with Moylan in the 7th so much…and I guess I sort of understand putting Soriano in last night to keep him fresh…but I have to agree that there was no reason to trot Soriano and Gonzo out there again tonight. I would have rather see Acosta out there for 2 tonight. Dude is not getting appearances in semi-blowouts. Dude is not exactly scraps out there…
is this where I brag that my fantasy team went 16/42 (.381) with 7 runs scored, 3 HR and 9 RBI in 9 games with 2 players still going and 2 delayed? or that I am 9-1 so far this week (only catagory I am losing…stolen bases, but with Heap & Prince Fielder leading my team what can you expect?)
People can say what they want about Acosta, but he’s been good for us the past few years. He’s not a closer, but he’s certainly someone we can use much more often than we do.
My God… every time Furman Bisher writes anything about the Braves, the more off is rocker he appears to be.
First we have his assertion that all the talent int he Braves farm system has dried up, despite Baseball America ranking the Braves system as the best in the National League. Now this…
“He deserves one more chance at a World Series, or postseason play, and he’s not going to get it here.”
Even if you don’t believe the Braves have a shot this year… I disagree, but even if that’s what you believe about this years team, the fact remains that Chipper signed a 3-year deal. And with next year’s rotation slated to be Hudson, Jurrjens, Lowe, Hanson, and Vazquez or Kawakami… and with 3 all-stars, and 2 other quality hitters (Escobar and Kotchman)… AND with Heyward and Freeman just a year or two away…
The Braves really have no chance at a World Series in the next few years? He really has no idea what he’s talking about, as evidenced by another statement of his (below).
“I don’t know what his contract arrangement may be, whether it includes a non-trade agreement or not. I doubt that he would stand in the way, with the right deal, with the right team.”
As most of the people reading this blog know, any player with 10 years in the league, and 5 with his current team has veto power over any trade.
If Mr. Bisher doesn’t know that, then he REALLY doesn’t know enough about the game – or this team – to be writing about the Braves. And again, that statement isn’t the only one he’s made that suggests a clear lack of knowledge about the game or the Braves.
I’m not trying to be cruel, but someone at the AJC really needs to urge him to stop writing about baseball. He makes himself look bad every time he does it.
cabravesfan – btw, I was going to do the I-Pod thing a while ago, but it needed recharging (much like me), so maybe tomorrow. And, there was just a great bit on Conan from Bonnaroo with Triumph, for whatever that’s worth.
Also, we beat up on a pitcher who is close to losing his spot to John Smoltz.
I hear ya…call me a pessimist, but Dice-K’s ERA was in the 7’s. I want to see the Braves succeed, but I don’t believe that this team as currently assembled can be anything over .500. Whether it’s players or managers or both, something’s got to change if we want to win consistently. Otherwise, it’s back to Scoring 2 or fewer runs for a week until our occasional steroid game.
RG–Acosta is an enigma to me. He posts good ERAs, and has good peripherals except for his K%/BB%, despite having good stuff. Despite terrible control and low K rates, he doesn’t give up many hits, and has a good WHIP. Good strand rate too. Very low BABIP may be part of it. Still, he’s a good 6th/7th man in a bullpen for sure.
Tom – I certainly know the song, although it was not until a number of years after its release I became aware of it (do you realize my last name does start Mc…)?
cabravesfan – I am leaving because I’ll be up too early tomorrow regardless of when I go to bed, so if I hope to have a reasonable amount of sleep I should get started soon.
DOB- The Current (Minnesota public radio) is one of, if not the best radio station i’ve come across. Awesome mix of music and no commercials, obviously. My friend from St. Paul turned me on to it. Makes all of my cold trips to the twin cities a little warmer.
I’m not trying to be cruel, but someone at the AJC really needs to urge him to stop writing about baseball. He makes himself look bad every time he does it.
KC</strong – Good post. I agree, but I think he just writes this stuff to stir up controversy…at least, I hope that’s why he does it.
DOB – interesting radio station… I haven’t heard of most of the the bands/artists that are on their playlist, but what I do recognize doesn’t seem to fit conveniently into one or two genres.
It reminded me that I will probably never hear as much as 5% of all the music made within the past 30 years over the course of my life… I discover new bands everyday and I still feel like I’m only scratching the surface of whats out there. Its hard enough keeping up with new releases – let alone trying to catch up with who current bands’ are influenced by.
Like today – I started looking into 80’s metal (the real stuff, not the popular glam crap), and I was completely blown away by the sheer number of bands that I have never heard of (especially from Europe).
Bergesen is going for the O’s tomorrow…been great in his last two starts, including shutting down the Braves. 2-0, 17 IP, 2 ER in his last two starts….hope he can put up similar numbers tomorrow against the Phils. If so, and another good performance by the Braves could put the Braves within 3.5 tomorrow…”Hey, it could happen.”
I like Acosta a lot. He has his stinkers, but overall he’s good. He was misused as the closer last year, and he struggled there. But I seem to remember him doing a great job in the 7th. Bobby really should start using him more often.
Who in the FO ticked off FB? He sounds like a man with an axe to grind.
Hey, I have thought the same thing about offering Chipper an easy way out of Atlanta IF (big if) that’s what HE wants. But the way FB has represented the Braves, he seems like a woman scorned (no offense meant).
I agree with your 12:01. Especially the short leash part. Does Bobby still have nightmares about that Phillie loss?
The next two days should be interesting. It will test the timing of the Braves’ hitters (yes, I use that term loosely). Hard throwing Beckett and then the knuckleballer, Wakefield. Of the two, I like our chances better with Beckett. Our free-swinging Braves may help Wakefield out too much, I’m afraid.
Ok, I shoved as many stats as I could into that last post, so that should take care of my baseball contribution for the night. Now I can talk music guilt-free.
Do you think Chris Burke will be promoted quickly if he has a few good games in Gwinnett? He may not be much of a threat at the plate wih his .239 career BA, but he’s probably an upgrade over Hernandez and certainly gives Bobby more flexibility since he can play 2B, SS and even LF.
All signs point to this roster move coming. Hernandez has only played in 2or 3 games since Escobar came back from the hip flexor injury, right?
Let me tell you what I really like about Kawakami so far..
Late in the spring, Kawakami matched up against Matsuzaka for the first time (ever). It was just spring game, but it was much more than that back home, and there was an unbelievable Japanese media presence there. It was a big game atmosphere for him, even though it was a spring game. And he aced that start.
The next big start came a few weeks ago when he was matched up against a CY Young winner (Halladay), and he aced that start as well.
And tonight’s game, going into Boston, matching up against Matsuzaka again, was most certainly a big game situation… and once again, he aced it.
So far, every time he’s been put in a big game situation, we’ve seen him at his best. The “big game” sample size isn’t large enough yet to label him a “big game pitcher”… but I certainly like the trend we’ve seen so far.
uga-brave: That’s Wren’s call, not mine. Lot to be seen between now and when that decision needs to come down. I know Wren will do the right thing. Of course, he knows a lot more about the Braves’ situation than I do, too. I’m playing a rigged game…
have to say that in this case I’m OK with Bobby using his top relievers. Reality is that you PROBABLY won’t be ahead late in all three, the weather doesn’t look good, but most of all you can’t take a chance on a disheartening loss. That team in that park can throw five runs up in no time.
(MCLOUTH SOUTH)
I agree with all that. Grab a series opening win when you can, worry about tomorrow tomorrow.The funny thing is that if he had brought somebody else in and the game would have gotten close or lost, the same hind-sighters would be flaying Bobby alive for allowing that to happen. The truth is that this board is full of Cox haters who will turn anything that happens into a micro-managing excuse to spew their hatred at BC. The guy just can’t win no matter what happens.
You know, last night was the first time I’ve ever talked about music on here, and I felt very guilty this morning when I woke up and saw all the complaints about it.
Also did a web radio interview for Fantasysports411.com the other day… http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Kevin-Orris (half-way through the 6/12 program – Kent Covington)
Anyway, haven’t faded away, just a little more scattered. =)
You’re a real trusting kinda guy, ain’t ya? As far as I’m concerned, Wren has to win before I’ll give him that kind of loyalty. Schuerholz earned that sort of comment by winning all the damn time. So far, Wren is 104-124 during his tenure as GM.
I’m not trying to be cruel, but someone at the AJC really needs to urge him to stop writing about baseball. He makes himself look bad every time he does it.
Yeah, I quit reading his ramblings a while ago. I find that he usually just pis-es me off.
Steve from OH – crap! don’t give me more bands! Just kidding – I always want to hear more. I’ve been checking out Venom today. Somehow I totally missed them even though they’re considered the ‘godfathers’ of Black Metal.
Also, Satanism is so hokey. I love how these bands in the early 80’s used Satanism to draw in fans (i.e. alienated teenagers) – even though the bands themselves rarely took it seriously. Of course, some of their fans DID take it seriously, leading to the church burnings in Norway during the early 90’s.
Nolie I agree with your 12:24 post. How many times do we see Bennett and Buddy brought into a blowout give up a couple of baserunners and we see bloggers going nuts and shouting why did Bobby bring in Bennett. No matter what Bobby does certain bloggers will gripe. Bobby could win 8 out of 10 and they would complain about the two losses.
You’re probably right. Then someone else would say how prejudiced we are because we’re talking about color and all the color-blind people in the world would be ashamed of us.
Chop Chop–he didn’t start his tenure with a team full of his players, either. So far he has made a lot of good individual moves, wouldn’t you agree? He still needs to address the outfield, but the McLouth deal, coupled with every recent interview/comment I’ve heard from him gives me confidence that he’s working on it.
The starting staff are his 5 guys, and that’s worked well, hasn’t it? He needs more time. Adding 4 SPs and 3 OFs doesn’t (and can’t) happen overnight…
You know, last night was the first time I’ve ever talked about music on here, and I felt very guilty this morning when I woke up and saw all the complaints about it (RG)
screw ‘em if they can’t take a joke. rotten little Nazis, trying to control what posters want to talk about. Where’s my Uzi?
You know, last night was the first time I’ve ever talked about music on here, and I felt very guilty this morning when I woke up and saw all the complaints about it.
Everyone has different tastes – personally I’d just ignore jerks who call you out for your musical preferences. I’m a total music snob at time (totally admit it), but I listen to some pure and utter sh-t as well.
So, screw anyone who thinks your music tastes are inferior. Chances are they’re just some bitter scene kid wrapped up in whatever tiny niche of music they think is righteous while viewing all other genres of music as garbage.
exactly! You can’t make everyone happy so don’t bother with those that have nothing better to do then complain about everything- it’s not worth your time
Salamaner–I agree. I take those bands less seriously. I really don’t get into Venom much anyway, though they are pretty talented. Ever try Saxon? They’re in that vein…though I prefer more mainstream stuff if I’m going to listen to something really heavy.
“You know, last night was the first time I’ve ever talked about music on here, and I felt very guilty this morning when I woke up and saw all the complaints about it.”
Roman Gal, all the complaints? All? What all? It was one guy! “Dirty Dawg” He was the only one. And he even said later, that he was pissed about something else. Read Dave’s rules of the blog. Music is a “go”.
I’m a total music snob at time (totally admit it), but I listen to some pure and utter sh-t as well.
I think because I have such a long musical background I’ve learned to appreciate any type of music. I don’t like saying that I don’t like a particular genre of music, because I’ve never heard a genre that I didn’t at least like something in…even country. Music is like Visual Art, every piece has it’s place whether or not everyone likes it or not.
I can’t even imagine why someone would care what was posted here after, what, 2:00 in the morning? We can only talk about baseball for so long (ok, I can talk forever but it would get rather boring after a while…)
Why is Kelley Johnson still starting he is batting .238 has so-so power, no defense, no baserunning ability to ba a leadoff hitter and doesn’t get the job done, I’m sure he a cool dude but, he has none of the intangables you want and doesn’t perform. I’m hoping Omar Infante will be back soon and something can be done. At least Frenchy has gold-glove defense and mabye the best outfield arm in the majors but he gets crucified 1000 times more thjan KJ. All I’m saying is be fair and don’t just kill somebody without realizing its a team effort and Frenchy has deserved some of his critisim but KJ has deserved a heck of a lot more and another thing Escobar did make a boneheaded play Sunday but he is the 3rd best player on offense and play a great D but you people just wanna make him a scapegoat probably because he don’t speak english and wanna throw him off the team but he is clutch and I want him on my team!!!
uga-brave, yup! I think this team still has a good chance.
First of all, they play in a surprisingly weak division, which is a huge blessing! But beyond that, the pitching is strong and deep, and it’s only going to get better as Hanson gains experience this year, and when Hudson returns. Whether Hudson returns to the rotation or (temporarily) the bullpen, either way, he could be a big boost.
As for the offense, it’s not as good as it’s looked the past couple days… BUT nor is it as bad as it looked over that previous 8-game stretch. We had Escobar, Jones, and McLouth all slumping at the same time, to go along with KJ and Frenchy’s season-long struggles. But this is a lineup with 3 all-stars, and 2 or 3 other quality hitters. And when Infante returns, he’ll provide insurance against KJ’s hyper-slumps, if Prado doesn’t already do that.
This lineup isn’t that far off from being pretty good. Get Infante healthy and add one more right-handed run producer… and this could actually be an excellent offense. Either way, I think the Phillies and Mets are actually both at least slightly more flawed than the Braves are. Atlanta is very much still in this thing.
Music is like Visual Art, every piece has it’s place whether or not everyone likes it or not.
Exactly. Its an art form, and as such, taste is going to come into play. So many people (teenagers) back themselves into a corner and decide to only like one type of music. I did it too back in high school, so I’m certainly not trying to suggest I was somehow immune to it.
I hate KJ as much as the next person but he did walk twice tonight and score once…but I’d rather have Martin hit a couple of dubles off the Green Montsa…lol
I don’t think people want to make Escobar the scapegoat. We just expect much more out of him than we do some others. But, you can’t say that peoples comments have been totally unwarranted, because he’s cost the Braves a lot of outs offensively and defensively this year. It’s different with Kelly, he hasn’t been making costly errors on defense and on the bases. He’s struggled getting on base, and of course folks realize that.
Jeff Francoeur’s OPS: .621
Kelly Johnson’s OPS: .674
And don’t act like Francoeur has been outperforming Kelly, because he really hasn’t.
KC, yeah, I’m with you on the state of this team, unlike how I felt a few days ago when I didn’t think there was a pulse to be found with them. But, the last few games does leave you with some hope that maybe they can get on a long roll…not just a few games either. More like going spinning off 5 or 8 in a row like the old days.
Like you say, the pitching is there and I’m excited about McLouth because he definitely looks to be heating up as a Brave. This is by far the strangest Braves team I’ve ever watched. They tease you with these games where they dominate other teams, mostly very good teams, and then they do a complete 1/80 before you can even let any excitement sink in. I think they’ll be ok though.
Yeah…one about the girl who steal wireless internet while jamming out to awesome musice on her laptop in her old style headphones…….bravos2249
Right now…yes. And to top it off, right now my hair is in one of those sideways ponytails. Actually, I’m not using headphones at the moment, but other than that, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
The Braves are pretty close to being able to make a big push towards the play-offs. I will take the Braves starting 5 over any other teams. We have 5 starters who are all able to go 6-7 innings AND who pitch every single time out (in other words, no visits to the disabled list). The Braves have a lethal lefty-right closer combination. The only spots for concern on the pitching staff is middle relief.
At first glance, the Braves line-up looks like it has a number of holes. However my assessment of the problem is that certain guys arent hitting in their appropriate slops in the batting order.
Trading Chipper would kill the Braves chances of making the play-offs this year. With all the injuries to the Phillies and Mets, if the Braves can trade for that elusive right handed power hitting right fielder, then the division is ripe for the Braves to take. It is going to be hard for both the Phillies and Mets to sustain any kind of prolonged winning streak because they have 4th and 5th starters who should be middle relief guys. But because of injuries, they have no choice but to start guys who arent quality back of the rotation kind of guys.
What I predict will happen is that the bullpen of both the Mets and Phillies will wear down and eventually break down just like the Braves did last year. Reason being, both the Mets and Phillies starters will end up being pulled earlier than is needed to rest a bullpen. Already both Ridge from the Phillies and Putz from the Mets are hurt. Oliver Perez has been a bust for the Mets. Delgado for the Mets and Brett Myers for the Phillies are going to be out for a big chunk of the season.
Other than Omar Infante and Tim Hudson, the Braves are pretty healthy. We have the makings of a pretty good line-up. We just need that big bopper to help push it over the edge, which would enable the Braves to finally bench Jeff Francoeur.
Just imagine what adding a big bopper to replace Francoeur would do to not only bat clean-up, but also to strengthen the lower parts of the batting order:
Or if the Braves cant swing a trade for a power hitter, then perhaps the Braves will adjust the line-up when Omar Infante comes back from the disabled list. However, I would not bench Kelly. I would bench Francoeur and play Infante in right. Imagine this line-up with Infante playing:
I would keep Kelly in the 8 hole because he “seems” better suited for the 8 hole than Francoeur. If Bobby were to bench Kelly and play Infante at 2nd and keep Francoeur in right, then Bobby could ONLY bat Francoeur 8th, which he has shown a reluctance to do. So the logical move is to play Infante in right. However, late in games where the Braves have a lead, if Garrett is playing in left, I would take him out, move Infante to left and put Francoeur in right as a defensive replacement.
Also, Infante is suited to bat 2nd. He makes contact, can bunt, hit and run, and is a pretty clutch hitter. Moving Escobar down to the 5 hole would provide right handed protection to McCann. Escobar can knock in runs.
However, I seriously doubt that the Braves will be able to trade for that big bat (in part because Braves management still believes in Francoeur). Also, I doubt that the Braves would bench Francoeur before benching Kelly.
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Doc Holiday
June 19th, 2009
11:56 pm
jeffrey d (JD),
You have to take JF and KJ out of your Fantasy………thats killings.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 19th, 2009
11:57 pm
stynes…
I didn’t have a problem with Moylan in the 7th so much…and I guess I sort of understand putting Soriano in last night to keep him fresh…but I have to agree that there was no reason to trot Soriano and Gonzo out there again tonight. I would have rather see Acosta out there for 2 tonight. Dude is not getting appearances in semi-blowouts. Dude is not exactly scraps out there…
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2009
11:59 pm
my fantasy team went 5/33 today with a .428 OPS
is this where I brag that my fantasy team went 16/42 (.381) with 7 runs scored, 3 HR and 9 RBI in 9 games with 2 players still going and 2 delayed? or that I am 9-1 so far this week (only catagory I am losing…stolen bases, but with Heap & Prince Fielder leading my team what can you expect?)
Doc Holiday
June 19th, 2009
11:59 pm
Name (required),
Man, muts are have the season we had last season……….injuries all over the place……..even that Castillo play……..
Tom O'Hawke
June 19th, 2009
11:59 pm
Vinings Jim—
“Hey Jimmy, Jimmy, oh Jimmy Mack, when are you coming back
Jimmy, Jimmy, oh Jimmy Mack, when are you coming back”
Do you remember that one? I’ve been saving it for you.
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:00 am
Dude is not exactly scraps out there…
People can say what they want about Acosta, but he’s been good for us the past few years. He’s not a closer, but he’s certainly someone we can use much more often than we do.
KC
June 20th, 2009
12:00 am
My God… every time Furman Bisher writes anything about the Braves, the more off is rocker he appears to be.
First we have his assertion that all the talent int he Braves farm system has dried up, despite Baseball America ranking the Braves system as the best in the National League. Now this…
“He deserves one more chance at a World Series, or postseason play, and he’s not going to get it here.”
Even if you don’t believe the Braves have a shot this year… I disagree, but even if that’s what you believe about this years team, the fact remains that Chipper signed a 3-year deal. And with next year’s rotation slated to be Hudson, Jurrjens, Lowe, Hanson, and Vazquez or Kawakami… and with 3 all-stars, and 2 other quality hitters (Escobar and Kotchman)… AND with Heyward and Freeman just a year or two away…
The Braves really have no chance at a World Series in the next few years? He really has no idea what he’s talking about, as evidenced by another statement of his (below).
“I don’t know what his contract arrangement may be, whether it includes a non-trade agreement or not. I doubt that he would stand in the way, with the right deal, with the right team.”
As most of the people reading this blog know, any player with 10 years in the league, and 5 with his current team has veto power over any trade.
If Mr. Bisher doesn’t know that, then he REALLY doesn’t know enough about the game – or this team – to be writing about the Braves. And again, that statement isn’t the only one he’s made that suggests a clear lack of knowledge about the game or the Braves.
I’m not trying to be cruel, but someone at the AJC really needs to urge him to stop writing about baseball. He makes himself look bad every time he does it.
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
12:00 am
Vinings Jim-
are you really leaving us so you can watch golf in the morning?? You should come up with a better excuse- like painting your gutters or something
Vinings Jim
June 20th, 2009
12:01 am
cabravesfan – btw, I was going to do the I-Pod thing a while ago, but it needed recharging (much like me), so maybe tomorrow. And, there was just a great bit on Conan from Bonnaroo with Triumph, for whatever that’s worth.
Wayne in Utah
June 20th, 2009
12:01 am
Gotta admit, I would have ran some other relievers out for the 7th and 8th, albeit on a short leash.
Also, we beat up on a pitcher who is close to losing his spot to John Smoltz.
jeffrey d
June 20th, 2009
12:01 am
Risky advice, Doc, but I’ll try it. But there’s no way I’m dumping Blaine Boyer.
ObiWanKobe
June 20th, 2009
12:03 am
DOB;
Should have gone w/ Tom Waits “Big in Japan”.
jeffrey d
June 20th, 2009
12:04 am
Also, we beat up on a pitcher who is close to losing his spot to John Smoltz.
I hear ya…call me a pessimist, but Dice-K’s ERA was in the 7’s. I want to see the Braves succeed, but I don’t believe that this team as currently assembled can be anything over .500. Whether it’s players or managers or both, something’s got to change if we want to win consistently. Otherwise, it’s back to Scoring 2 or fewer runs for a week until our occasional steroid game.
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
12:04 am
Vinings Jim-
Still a couple of hours away from Conan here…
nolie
June 20th, 2009
12:05 am
Actually, Neil Diamond is more hip TODAY. (WAYNE)
it was just a pun, hip…hippie. I wasn’t seriously answering a question that I didn’t take seriously to begin with.
Wayne in Utah
June 20th, 2009
12:05 am
KC
Gotta be respectful of old folks, but old folks need to know when to hang em up too.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
12:05 am
RG–Acosta is an enigma to me. He posts good ERAs, and has good peripherals except for his K%/BB%, despite having good stuff. Despite terrible control and low K rates, he doesn’t give up many hits, and has a good WHIP. Good strand rate too. Very low BABIP may be part of it. Still, he’s a good 6th/7th man in a bullpen for sure.
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=8725&position=P&page=0&type=mini
Vinings Jim
June 20th, 2009
12:07 am
Tom – I certainly know the song, although it was not until a number of years after its release I became aware of it (do you realize my last name does start Mc…)?
cabravesfan – I am leaving because I’ll be up too early tomorrow regardless of when I go to bed, so if I hope to have a reasonable amount of sleep I should get started soon.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
12:07 am
And for those of you who think he gives up too many homers, his HR/9 rate is pretty low.
Cooper S
June 20th, 2009
12:07 am
DOB- The Current (Minnesota public radio) is one of, if not the best radio station i’ve come across. Awesome mix of music and no commercials, obviously. My friend from St. Paul turned me on to it. Makes all of my cold trips to the twin cities a little warmer.
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:07 am
I’m not trying to be cruel, but someone at the AJC really needs to urge him to stop writing about baseball. He makes himself look bad every time he does it.
KC</strong – Good post. I agree, but I think he just writes this stuff to stir up controversy…at least, I hope that’s why he does it.
Wayne in Utah
June 20th, 2009
12:08 am
Nolie
John Denver might be more hip if he were alive, huh?
Name (required)
June 20th, 2009
12:08 am
Steve from OH, I was shaking my head at Acosta’s WHIP myself just yesterday. I’d have never thunk it.
Vinings Jim
June 20th, 2009
12:09 am
cabravesfan – I knew you had a couple of hours on Conan, thus the heads-up is more useful than it would be for someone doing the EDT thing.
Salamander
June 20th, 2009
12:09 am
DOB – interesting radio station… I haven’t heard of most of the the bands/artists that are on their playlist, but what I do recognize doesn’t seem to fit conveniently into one or two genres.
It reminded me that I will probably never hear as much as 5% of all the music made within the past 30 years over the course of my life… I discover new bands everyday and I still feel like I’m only scratching the surface of whats out there. Its hard enough keeping up with new releases – let alone trying to catch up with who current bands’ are influenced by.
Like today – I started looking into 80’s metal (the real stuff, not the popular glam crap), and I was completely blown away by the sheer number of bands that I have never heard of (especially from Europe).
Name (required)
June 20th, 2009
12:09 am
Diamond: H.I.P.
Denver: R.I.P.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 20th, 2009
12:10 am
Bergesen is going for the O’s tomorrow…been great in his last two starts, including shutting down the Braves. 2-0, 17 IP, 2 ER in his last two starts….hope he can put up similar numbers tomorrow against the Phils. If so, and another good performance by the Braves could put the Braves within 3.5 tomorrow…”Hey, it could happen.”
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:10 am
Steve-
I like Acosta a lot. He has his stinkers, but overall he’s good. He was misused as the closer last year, and he struggled there. But I seem to remember him doing a great job in the 7th. Bobby really should start using him more often.
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
12:10 am
Vinings Jim-
Going to bed to get decent sleep is perfectly acceptable. Leaving so you can be up to watch golf…not so much!
Good Night!
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
12:11 am
Salamander–you can almost find a new one every day! Sometimes this is not good though.
Try out Lillian Axe, they’re pretty good. And Testament. Love those guys.
jeffrey d
June 20th, 2009
12:12 am
Roman Gal – I don’t think he’s trying to stir up controversy. Have you seen some of his other articles?
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Not exactly edgy subjects.
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:13 am
To add to my last post…
He needs to walk less batters, but he’s always walked a bunch of people and gotten away with it for the most part.
Wayne in Utah
June 20th, 2009
12:13 am
Who in the FO ticked off FB? He sounds like a man with an axe to grind.
Hey, I have thought the same thing about offering Chipper an easy way out of Atlanta IF (big if) that’s what HE wants. But the way FB has represented the Braves, he seems like a woman scorned (no offense meant).
uga-brave
June 20th, 2009
12:14 am
all it took was back to back wins, to suck in KC.
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
12:14 am
Wayne—
I agree with your 12:01. Especially the short leash part. Does Bobby still have nightmares about that Phillie loss?
The next two days should be interesting. It will test the timing of the Braves’ hitters (yes, I use that term loosely). Hard throwing Beckett and then the knuckleballer, Wakefield. Of the two, I like our chances better with Beckett. Our free-swinging Braves may help Wakefield out too much, I’m afraid.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
12:14 am
Ok, I shoved as many stats as I could into that last post, so that should take care of my baseball contribution for the night. Now I can talk music guilt-free.
Chris from the Rock
June 20th, 2009
12:16 am
DOB,
Do you think Chris Burke will be promoted quickly if he has a few good games in Gwinnett? He may not be much of a threat at the plate wih his .239 career BA, but he’s probably an upgrade over Hernandez and certainly gives Bobby more flexibility since he can play 2B, SS and even LF.
All signs point to this roster move coming. Hernandez has only played in 2or 3 games since Escobar came back from the hip flexor injury, right?
bravos2249
June 20th, 2009
12:17 am
I didn’t mind seeing Moylan used…he can use all the confidence in the world..but GOnzo and Soriano…yes
uga-brave
June 20th, 2009
12:17 am
steve,
they are gonna be barking at the door.
you gotta do it right.
soriano and gonzo could bring a bounty.
though it sucks. soriano is plain out voodoo nasty right now.
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
12:17 am
Jim, once you alluded to your last name, on this blog (Elvis), I thought of that song.
bravos2249
June 20th, 2009
12:17 am
BUT it would have been worse if we brought in Bennett then had to bring in Soriano and Gonzo
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:17 am
I was flipping through the channels just now, and I happened across an interesting channel…
It’s called, “DPTC”
What’s playing on this channel you ask?
An all-access look at Double Pits to Chesty.
Marietta Derek would be proud…
KC
June 20th, 2009
12:18 am
Let me tell you what I really like about Kawakami so far..
Late in the spring, Kawakami matched up against Matsuzaka for the first time (ever). It was just spring game, but it was much more than that back home, and there was an unbelievable Japanese media presence there. It was a big game atmosphere for him, even though it was a spring game. And he aced that start.
The next big start came a few weeks ago when he was matched up against a CY Young winner (Halladay), and he aced that start as well.
And tonight’s game, going into Boston, matching up against Matsuzaka again, was most certainly a big game situation… and once again, he aced it.
So far, every time he’s been put in a big game situation, we’ve seen him at his best. The “big game” sample size isn’t large enough yet to label him a “big game pitcher”… but I certainly like the trend we’ve seen so far.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
12:19 am
uga-brave: That’s Wren’s call, not mine. Lot to be seen between now and when that decision needs to come down. I know Wren will do the right thing. Of course, he knows a lot more about the Braves’ situation than I do, too. I’m playing a rigged game…
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:20 am
jeffrey d-
I honestly have never read a single one of his columns. I only see when people here complain about them. Who knows, maybe he is just senile.
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
12:20 am
Good night, Jim. Go Tiger!
(Man, finally. Now that he’s gone to bed, maybe this blog will pick up again.)
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:22 am
I see the Blue Jays lost to the Natinals…
Ouch! But, we feel their pain.
nolie
June 20th, 2009
12:24 am
have to say that in this case I’m OK with Bobby using his top relievers. Reality is that you PROBABLY won’t be ahead late in all three, the weather doesn’t look good, but most of all you can’t take a chance on a disheartening loss. That team in that park can throw five runs up in no time.
(MCLOUTH SOUTH)
I agree with all that. Grab a series opening win when you can, worry about tomorrow tomorrow.The funny thing is that if he had brought somebody else in and the game would have gotten close or lost, the same hind-sighters would be flaying Bobby alive for allowing that to happen. The truth is that this board is full of Cox haters who will turn anything that happens into a micro-managing excuse to spew their hatred at BC. The guy just can’t win no matter what happens.
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:25 am
Now I can talk music guilt-free.
You know, last night was the first time I’ve ever talked about music on here, and I felt very guilty this morning when I woke up and saw all the complaints about it.
KC
June 20th, 2009
12:25 am
uga-brave, I’m still pluggin’ away on Braves stuff. Just not as much in the AJC blog.
If you’re on twitter, my handle is @FriedBasballATL, and I write the occasional blog for Bravesblast.com. I recently wrote one suggesting that maybe this should be Bobby’s last season. (http://www.bravesblast.com/2009/06/15/maybe-its-time-for-bobby-to-call-it-a-hof-career/)
Also did a web radio interview for Fantasysports411.com the other day… http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Kevin-Orris (half-way through the 6/12 program – Kent Covington)
Anyway, haven’t faded away, just a little more scattered. =)
Chop Chop
June 20th, 2009
12:26 am
Hmm…
Steve? What is this mess?
I know Wren will do the right thing.
You’re a real trusting kinda guy, ain’t ya? As far as I’m concerned, Wren has to win before I’ll give him that kind of loyalty. Schuerholz earned that sort of comment by winning all the damn time. So far, Wren is 104-124 during his tenure as GM.
Salamander
June 20th, 2009
12:26 am
I’m not trying to be cruel, but someone at the AJC really needs to urge him to stop writing about baseball. He makes himself look bad every time he does it.
Yeah, I quit reading his ramblings a while ago. I find that he usually just pis-es me off.
Steve from OH – crap! don’t give me more bands! Just kidding – I always want to hear more. I’ve been checking out Venom today. Somehow I totally missed them even though they’re considered the ‘godfathers’ of Black Metal.
Also, Satanism is so hokey. I love how these bands in the early 80’s used Satanism to draw in fans (i.e. alienated teenagers) – even though the bands themselves rarely took it seriously. Of course, some of their fans DID take it seriously, leading to the church burnings in Norway during the early 90’s.
Chris from the Rock
June 20th, 2009
12:26 am
What’s the over-under on K’s for Francoeur on Sunday against Wakefield and his knuckleball? 3? 4?
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
12:26 am
Roman Gal-
don’t feel guilty- if you wrote the sky was blue, someone would complain…
I enjoyed the music discussion very much
Wayne in Utah
June 20th, 2009
12:27 am
BC was once the GM. He could be showcasing his closers.
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
12:27 am
Roman Gal—
I think you just unraveled the mystery behind the “Marietta Dorks” disappearance.
Eric from MO
June 20th, 2009
12:30 am
Nolie I agree with your 12:24 post. How many times do we see Bennett and Buddy brought into a blowout give up a couple of baserunners and we see bloggers going nuts and shouting why did Bobby bring in Bennett. No matter what Bobby does certain bloggers will gripe. Bobby could win 8 out of 10 and they would complain about the two losses.
Wayne in Utah
June 20th, 2009
12:31 am
RG
If we are ticking off some bloggers w/ talk of music late at night, who really cares!
Yunel's Frosted Tips
June 20th, 2009
12:32 am
Brace yourselves, but AJC should put Furman Bisher out to Pasture.
Also, not to take the sheen off the win, but the esteemed D
Brace yourselves, but the AJC should put Furman Bisher out to pasture.
Congratulations to our esteemed DOB for his fair second-guessing of the Old Fart’s chronic misuse of the bullpen arms.
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
12:32 am
KC—
I agree with you about KK aceing the “big” games. Now, if we can only get him to ace the “small” games.
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:33 am
cab-
You’re probably right. Then someone else would say how prejudiced we are because we’re talking about color and all the color-blind people in the world would be ashamed of us.
Wayne in Utah
June 20th, 2009
12:33 am
Just listened to Neil Sedaka on XM, and feel like I need a shower…..
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
12:34 am
Chop Chop–he didn’t start his tenure with a team full of his players, either. So far he has made a lot of good individual moves, wouldn’t you agree? He still needs to address the outfield, but the McLouth deal, coupled with every recent interview/comment I’ve heard from him gives me confidence that he’s working on it.
The starting staff are his 5 guys, and that’s worked well, hasn’t it? He needs more time. Adding 4 SPs and 3 OFs doesn’t (and can’t) happen overnight…
uga-brave
June 20th, 2009
12:34 am
steve,
whether wren is smart or not. we have twao HUGE relievers that misses bats.
that is amjor commodity around july 31.
nolie
June 20th, 2009
12:34 am
You know, last night was the first time I’ve ever talked about music on here, and I felt very guilty this morning when I woke up and saw all the complaints about it (RG)
screw ‘em if they can’t take a joke. rotten little Nazis, trying to control what posters want to talk about. Where’s my Uzi?
Salamander
June 20th, 2009
12:35 am
You know, last night was the first time I’ve ever talked about music on here, and I felt very guilty this morning when I woke up and saw all the complaints about it.
Everyone has different tastes – personally I’d just ignore jerks who call you out for your musical preferences. I’m a total music snob at time (totally admit it), but I listen to some pure and utter sh-t as well.
So, screw anyone who thinks your music tastes are inferior. Chances are they’re just some bitter scene kid wrapped up in whatever tiny niche of music they think is righteous while viewing all other genres of music as garbage.
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
12:35 am
Roman Gal-
exactly! You can’t make everyone happy so don’t bother with those that have nothing better to do then complain about everything- it’s not worth your time
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
12:36 am
Salamaner–I agree. I take those bands less seriously. I really don’t get into Venom much anyway, though they are pretty talented. Ever try Saxon? They’re in that vein…though I prefer more mainstream stuff if I’m going to listen to something really heavy.
P.S.–try Savatage too!
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:36 am
Tom-
You’re right. I’m good at this…last night I coaxed Bubdylan out of the woodworks, and now I’ve found out what Marietta Derek has been up to…
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
12:37 am
“You know, last night was the first time I’ve ever talked about music on here, and I felt very guilty this morning when I woke up and saw all the complaints about it.”
Roman Gal, all the complaints? All? What all? It was one guy! “Dirty Dawg” He was the only one. And he even said later, that he was pissed about something else. Read Dave’s rules of the blog. Music is a “go”.
Steve from OH
June 20th, 2009
12:37 am
uga-brave–this is true. Very true. What happens next remains to be seen.
uga-brave
June 20th, 2009
12:38 am
kc,
tonight rumbled up memories about yesteryear . great pitching, a dinger, and a quick game.
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:39 am
Where’s my Uzi?
nolie-
Umm…I didn’t know you still wanted to use that old thing, so I took it to the pawn shop last week. Sorry, I needed the money!
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
12:40 am
Roman Gal—
You are showing some surreal talents. You could be starring in a TV show, in the near future.
c jonze
June 20th, 2009
12:40 am
I usually work ’till now-ish, and it is nice to come home to the blog after a win…
Looks like no one needs to be fired/traded/released.
Guilt-free music talk:
Just stumbled on a Canadian band – Metric. Girl front, indie sound, catchy stuff. Worth the investigation.
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:41 am
I probably overstated things a bit when I said I felt very guilty.
bravos2249
June 20th, 2009
12:41 am
Chris Burke has 1 ab in Gwinnett
uga-brave
June 20th, 2009
12:43 am
steve,
if we are more then 5 back in both the division and the wild card on july 31, we need to consider what their value would be.
soriano is nasty right now. gonzo will be on cashman’s short list.
Salamander
June 20th, 2009
12:45 am
Steve -
Yeah I’ve heard a lot of Saxon. Not exactly my type of metal, but I like some of their stuff.
My favorite metal bands oscillate, but bands like Enslaved, High on Fire, and Intronaut are usually at the top of the list.
High on Fire (at the Earl a few years ago) was far and away the loudest show I have ever been to. My ears were totally destroyed after that one.
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:45 am
I’m a total music snob at time (totally admit it), but I listen to some pure and utter sh-t as well.
I think because I have such a long musical background I’ve learned to appreciate any type of music. I don’t like saying that I don’t like a particular genre of music, because I’ve never heard a genre that I didn’t at least like something in…even country. Music is like Visual Art, every piece has it’s place whether or not everyone likes it or not.
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
12:45 am
I can’t even imagine why someone would care what was posted here after, what, 2:00 in the morning? We can only talk about baseball for so long (ok, I can talk forever but it would get rather boring after a while…)
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:47 am
Tom-
You’re absolutely right. Screw college, I’m gonna be a TV star!!
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
12:47 am
“I probably overstated things a bit when I said I felt very guilty.”
YOU THINK?
J-MAN
June 20th, 2009
12:49 am
Why is Kelley Johnson still starting he is batting .238 has so-so power, no defense, no baserunning ability to ba a leadoff hitter and doesn’t get the job done, I’m sure he a cool dude but, he has none of the intangables you want and doesn’t perform. I’m hoping Omar Infante will be back soon and something can be done. At least Frenchy has gold-glove defense and mabye the best outfield arm in the majors but he gets crucified 1000 times more thjan KJ. All I’m saying is be fair and don’t just kill somebody without realizing its a team effort and Frenchy has deserved some of his critisim but KJ has deserved a heck of a lot more and another thing Escobar did make a boneheaded play Sunday but he is the 3rd best player on offense and play a great D but you people just wanna make him a scapegoat probably because he don’t speak english and wanna throw him off the team but he is clutch and I want him on my team!!!
KC
June 20th, 2009
12:50 am
uga-brave, yup! I think this team still has a good chance.
First of all, they play in a surprisingly weak division, which is a huge blessing! But beyond that, the pitching is strong and deep, and it’s only going to get better as Hanson gains experience this year, and when Hudson returns. Whether Hudson returns to the rotation or (temporarily) the bullpen, either way, he could be a big boost.
As for the offense, it’s not as good as it’s looked the past couple days… BUT nor is it as bad as it looked over that previous 8-game stretch. We had Escobar, Jones, and McLouth all slumping at the same time, to go along with KJ and Frenchy’s season-long struggles. But this is a lineup with 3 all-stars, and 2 or 3 other quality hitters. And when Infante returns, he’ll provide insurance against KJ’s hyper-slumps, if Prado doesn’t already do that.
This lineup isn’t that far off from being pretty good. Get Infante healthy and add one more right-handed run producer… and this could actually be an excellent offense. Either way, I think the Phillies and Mets are actually both at least slightly more flawed than the Braves are. Atlanta is very much still in this thing.
Wayne in Utah
June 20th, 2009
12:51 am
My son comes in tonight in 10 minutes. Gotta go spend some q time w/ him. Its been fun…..
Later..
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
12:52 am
Good Night Wayne!
uga-brave
June 20th, 2009
12:54 am
talking about the bridge over river kwai?
here are my favoite ww 2 movies?
in no certain order.
the longest day,
saving private ryan,
kelly’s heros. moriartity why the negative waves.
the dirty dozen,
and the great escape. steve mqueen was the man.
pretty good top five.
there are others, chime in.
Salamander
June 20th, 2009
12:54 am
Music is like Visual Art, every piece has it’s place whether or not everyone likes it or not.
Exactly. Its an art form, and as such, taste is going to come into play. So many people (teenagers) back themselves into a corner and decide to only like one type of music. I did it too back in high school, so I’m certainly not trying to suggest I was somehow immune to it.
bravos2249
June 20th, 2009
12:55 am
J-MAN
I hate KJ as much as the next person but he did walk twice tonight and score once…but I’d rather have Martin hit a couple of dubles off the Green Montsa…lol
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
12:57 am
J-MAN-
I don’t think people want to make Escobar the scapegoat. We just expect much more out of him than we do some others. But, you can’t say that peoples comments have been totally unwarranted, because he’s cost the Braves a lot of outs offensively and defensively this year. It’s different with Kelly, he hasn’t been making costly errors on defense and on the bases. He’s struggled getting on base, and of course folks realize that.
Jeff Francoeur’s OPS: .621
Kelly Johnson’s OPS: .674
And don’t act like Francoeur has been outperforming Kelly, because he really hasn’t.
bravos2249
June 20th, 2009
12:58 am
Tom O’Hawke
Yeah…one about the girl who steal wireless internet while jamming out to awesome musice on her laptop in her old style headphones…….
http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/gallery/gadgetell/iFrogz_-_Union_DJ_medium.jpg
TnBrian
June 20th, 2009
1:00 am
KC, yeah, I’m with you on the state of this team, unlike how I felt a few days ago when I didn’t think there was a pulse to be found with them. But, the last few games does leave you with some hope that maybe they can get on a long roll…not just a few games either. More like going spinning off 5 or 8 in a row like the old days.
Like you say, the pitching is there and I’m excited about McLouth because he definitely looks to be heating up as a Brave. This is by far the strangest Braves team I’ve ever watched. They tease you with these games where they dominate other teams, mostly very good teams, and then they do a complete 1/80 before you can even let any excitement sink in. I think they’ll be ok though.
bravos2249
June 20th, 2009
1:00 am
Roman-Gal
Is that you?…lol
http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/gallery/gadgetell/iFrogz_-_Union_DJ_medium.jpg
Tom O'Hawke
June 20th, 2009
1:01 am
“I can’t even imagine why someone would care what was posted here after, what, 2:00 in the morning?—-cabravesfan
That statement makes perfect sense. It’s totally logical. It (music) is even OK by the “DOB rules”.
Now, how long have you been on this blog?
BTW, I forgot to tell you, your “talons” comeback was both funny and hot. Actually, more hot than anything else. Whew!
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
1:02 am
So many people (teenagers) back themselves into a corner and decide to only like one type of music.
Salamander-
True. Close minded people never see past their own opinions and it’s a shame. There is a ton of great music out there.
cabravesfan
June 20th, 2009
1:03 am
Tom-
You’re right- I should know that logic has no place on the blog (I’ve even brought that up on occasion)
If you only knew what I was thinking…
Van the Man
June 20th, 2009
1:06 am
WW2 movies:
have to add A Bridge Too Far, The Big Red One, Cross of Iron, Enemy at the Gates, Patton, Das Boot
Roman Gal
June 20th, 2009
1:06 am
Yeah…one about the girl who steal wireless internet while jamming out to awesome musice on her laptop in her old style headphones……. bravos2249
Right now…yes. And to top it off, right now my hair is in one of those sideways ponytails. Actually, I’m not using headphones at the moment, but other than that, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
Paul Lentz
June 20th, 2009
1:08 am
The Braves are pretty close to being able to make a big push towards the play-offs. I will take the Braves starting 5 over any other teams. We have 5 starters who are all able to go 6-7 innings AND who pitch every single time out (in other words, no visits to the disabled list). The Braves have a lethal lefty-right closer combination. The only spots for concern on the pitching staff is middle relief.
At first glance, the Braves line-up looks like it has a number of holes. However my assessment of the problem is that certain guys arent hitting in their appropriate slops in the batting order.
Trading Chipper would kill the Braves chances of making the play-offs this year. With all the injuries to the Phillies and Mets, if the Braves can trade for that elusive right handed power hitting right fielder, then the division is ripe for the Braves to take. It is going to be hard for both the Phillies and Mets to sustain any kind of prolonged winning streak because they have 4th and 5th starters who should be middle relief guys. But because of injuries, they have no choice but to start guys who arent quality back of the rotation kind of guys.
What I predict will happen is that the bullpen of both the Mets and Phillies will wear down and eventually break down just like the Braves did last year. Reason being, both the Mets and Phillies starters will end up being pulled earlier than is needed to rest a bullpen. Already both Ridge from the Phillies and Putz from the Mets are hurt. Oliver Perez has been a bust for the Mets. Delgado for the Mets and Brett Myers for the Phillies are going to be out for a big chunk of the season.
Other than Omar Infante and Tim Hudson, the Braves are pretty healthy. We have the makings of a pretty good line-up. We just need that big bopper to help push it over the edge, which would enable the Braves to finally bench Jeff Francoeur.
Just imagine what adding a big bopper to replace Francoeur would do to not only bat clean-up, but also to strengthen the lower parts of the batting order:
1. Nate McLouth…………..CF
2. Yunel Escobar………….SS
3. Chipper Jones…………..3B
4. (RH Power Hitter)………RF
5. Brain McCann……………C
6. Garrett/Diaz……………..LF
7, Casey Kotchman………1B
8. Kelly Johnson…………..2B
9. (Pitcher)
Or if the Braves cant swing a trade for a power hitter, then perhaps the Braves will adjust the line-up when Omar Infante comes back from the disabled list. However, I would not bench Kelly. I would bench Francoeur and play Infante in right. Imagine this line-up with Infante playing:
1. Nate McLouth……………CF
2. Omar Infante……………..RF
3. Chipper Jones……………3B
4. Brian McCann……………..C
5. Yunel Escobar…………..SS
6. Garrett/Diaz………………LF
7. Casey Kotchman……….1B
8. Kelly Johnson……………2B
9. (Pitcher).
I would keep Kelly in the 8 hole because he “seems” better suited for the 8 hole than Francoeur. If Bobby were to bench Kelly and play Infante at 2nd and keep Francoeur in right, then Bobby could ONLY bat Francoeur 8th, which he has shown a reluctance to do. So the logical move is to play Infante in right. However, late in games where the Braves have a lead, if Garrett is playing in left, I would take him out, move Infante to left and put Francoeur in right as a defensive replacement.
Also, Infante is suited to bat 2nd. He makes contact, can bunt, hit and run, and is a pretty clutch hitter. Moving Escobar down to the 5 hole would provide right handed protection to McCann. Escobar can knock in runs.
However, I seriously doubt that the Braves will be able to trade for that big bat (in part because Braves management still believes in Francoeur). Also, I doubt that the Braves would bench Francoeur before benching Kelly.