12:35 pm June 18, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
June 18th, 200910:28 pm
Also note that this interview was done this morning before the game, probably at one of the lowest points of this season. Not that winning one game changes his opinion but..
June 18th, 200910:31 pm
Bank Walker: I’ve seen Yunel Escobar on Web Gems. In fact, he had one last week.
And no, I don’t recall Nick Green having a particularly strong arm. Certainly nothing remotely close to Furcal or Escobar.
I just remember him being a decent utility player and a great guy.
Wayne in Utah
Would LaRoche sign an extension if we offered Kotchman for him? Just curious?
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
June 18th, 200910:32 pm
DOB, you’re right about the Tar Heels. ASU has their number. The bullpen stinks. Looks like Carolina’s trying to emulate the Braves of the early ’90s. Make the postseason every year but never close the deal.
“not going to be mobile enough” to play 2nd…lord I am loving this
June 18th, 200910:33 pm
Thanks for the report, ver-r-r-y-y interesting.
I’m looking at the comment about “…picking up a paycheck…” and then the last answer about preparation. So does he think the guys just want to get by to the next check, and not put any real effort into playing? If an attitude of indifference exists on the team….ouch!!!! I hope not. And does the preparation and trying hard mean the players just aren’t of the caliber to put the team over the top. And is he speaking of the hitters only? Certainly the pitchers seem to be doing their part, well most of them, other than a couple in middle relief. Wow, questions pop up all over the place with that interview.
BTW, I saw Moran pitch in the ACC tournament against Virginia. Got lit up there too (after Alex White couldn’t get anybody out in the third inning of a 11-1 loss).
June 18th, 200910:34 pm
Here is some good news for fellow Braves fans. The Marlins-Red Sox game is in a rain delay. Top of the 6th, Marlins up 2-1. If they can get this game started again, that means that the Red Sox will have a long night, hopefully affecting their energy level tomorrow night against the Braves.
What is the story on a couple of our guys in Gwinnett, Kody Kirkland and Brooks Conrad. I have seen the stats, and they both aren’t spring chickens.
Range, arms, upside?? Curious as to your thoughts on these two guys.
If our guy Escobar were dealt (not that I want him to be), could Conrad cover shortstop for a while?
June 18th, 200910:35 pm
cabraves I will hug LT for you when I see her lol. I’m so glad you got to see that.
June 18th, 200910:36 pm
Maybe ol’ Bill Shanks might’ve been onto something?
Of course, it could just be that old coot Chipper trying to hold back the young bucks from eclipsing him and winning a whole bunch of world championships.
June 18th, 200910:38 pm
Many, many years ago, when I managed a crew of technicians, I fired one of my best people for not adhering to our escalation guidelines, which put my company at a monetary risk. Did this after repeated attempts to get this gentleman to change his ways.
After the firing, the entire team tightened up and we became a much better crew.
Does BC and FW need to release somebody, to send a message? Not saying who that person should be, although my first guess would be Garret Anderson.
June 18th, 200910:39 pm
Though I am not a Shanks apostle, but usually where there is smoke, there is fire…..
kotchman for laroche heating up! He could save season with his 2nd half push
June 18th, 200910:40 pm
You have no idea…there are no words
(and believe me LT knows how much I love her right now!!)
DOB…I know….I just figured when they mentioned it would be Vazquez’s turn would they rather let him and the rest of the rotation have that extra day of rest.
I know richbrave, I was sitting here thinking to myself who might be suspect of just picking up a paycheck. I know he’s said before about last years team that he felt they were getting complacent with just being in the big leagues and didnt really care about winning – not an exact quote but that was the gist of it.
gotta run get a burrito, check back in later…..
Steve from OH
June 18th, 200910:41 pm
RHR, good link to the interview. Just goes to show that big league clubhouses aren’t like the ones in high school. Can’t scream at guys and scare them into performing like you can to high school kids. These are grown men, not frightened kids.
Right, Robert? Gotta keep ‘em uncomfortable, right? Gotta get the fear in ‘em, right? Can’t manage personalities, right? Your way or the highway, right?
June 18th, 200910:43 pm
The funny thing is that I never read Bill Shanks’s stuff unless someone posts a link here. I’m not as tuned in to all the different outlets for Braves scuttlebutt/info as some.
June 18th, 200910:47 pm
RHR–I wondered about that, but then he seemed to back off saying the “effort was there.” Who knows?
I think easy suspects are guys like Frenchy and Kelly, but DOB and Carroll have both said (if I recall) that they both work as hard as anyone on the club. Maybe he was talking about GA?
June 18th, 200910:52 pm
I’ve got to plead ignorance here, and defer to someone who’s actually seen them on the field this year. I remember that CONRAD turned some heads in ST as I believe DOB reported. As you know, stats alone really don’t give a complete picture of what’s going on with a player at the moment. Maybe McFANN’s been to a few games or CARROLL ROGERS. Both seemed to indicate during the offseason that they would be able to attend in GWINNETT. Like you I’ve followed the numbers this year. I know KIRKLAND’s been picking it up since a tough start after his promotion, and CONRAD’s average has been slowly rising of late, but neither was at RICHMOND last year so I can’t speculate on arm strength etc. Sorry. Believe me when I say I would love to help. BTW, still no definite plans going forward here re: professional baseball. Next dead-line August 1. KIRK, a front man for CAL RIPKIN is currently making proposals to the city.
June 18th, 200910:53 pm
Yeah. He must be talking about a guy you don’t like, Steve.
June 18th, 200910:56 pm
Chop Chop–don’t know. Never met the guy.
Well Loaf is certainly a usual suspect, no? But again, I remember Chipper saying something very similar late last season or early in the off season – before Loaf was a Brave. Who knows? Maybe Chipper is just getting crotchety in his old age.
June 18th, 200911:00 pm
Maybe, RHR. He certainly seemed to contradict himself in the article. Maybe he just didn’t want to be too blunt. Who knows? I’m sure DOB has a good idea. I don’t, that’s for sure.
June 18th, 200911:03 pm
He couldn’t be talking about Yunel, could he?
I mean, wouldn’t Yunel’s eye-rolling be a little delayed while Chipper’s speech is being translated to him?
My Pizza is on the way, Iron Chef is on the food network, and there are not idiots on the blog. What a perfect night!
June 18th, 200911:06 pm
I thought you knew everything, my friend!
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June 18th, 200911:08 pm
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June 18th, 200911:09 pm
I can die happy now
June 18th, 200911:11 pm
Canadian braves fan, can you change the black text on dark red background color scheme? If not, that’s OK. I just can’t read it so well.
CT in AL
June 18th, 200911:13 pm
Breaking news out of Atlanta: Tom Glavine told Buck Lanford of Fox 5 Atlanta that he won’t pitch in 2009.
“I’m not going to pitch or do anything in baseball until at least next year.” Glavine stopped short, according to Fox 5, of announcing his retirement, saying he plans to be “a full-time dad.”
Maybe FW will give him another chance next year
June 18th, 200911:14 pm
thanks for suggestion DanR
June 18th, 200911:18 pm
Wayne, I think the moral of your story, is that since you let one of your better guys go, it showed the crew that NOBODY’S job was secure. Thus got them to work harder and come together a bit.
Releasing Loaf does nothing but tell the guys that THEY are not the problem…. Loaf was. I think to have the same affect, one of the better guys, or favorites needs to be let go.
My vote is for Jeff. If they REALLY want to show the team, the city of Atlanta and their fans that they are serious about “not taking it anymore”, let the golden child, the chosen one, the “natural”, the local boy go.
Wren has already shown no “heart” or favortism towards fan favorites or legends. Dumping on the local hero would show that he’s about winning and not about marketing.
At least that’s how I’d take it.
June 18th, 200911:21 pm
Releasing Loaf does nothing but tell the guys that THEY are not the problem…. Loaf was.
So? That’s kind of the truth. I don’t know if you saw Roman Gal’s fine posts this afternoon, but we’re 4th in the majors in production from both our infield and starting pitching. 30th (and by a good margin) from the outfield. That’s kinda the point of fixing our team, right?
In every recent interview I’ve heard from FW, he’s said the same thing. There really aren’t any guys on our roster right now that are dragging the team down besides Jeff and GA (well, Kelly too, but he can actually improve…).
Dead on N8. I really think Frenchy has to go. Or maybe dealing Escobar, if he is a big problem.
Just for good measure though, Garret Anderson needs to go too!
June 18th, 200911:24 pm
“Tom Glavine told Buck Lanford of Fox 5 Atlanta that he won’t pitch in 2009.”
On a similar “Breaking News” type of release, I’m telling the DOB/Carroll Rogers blog, that I won’t be releasing a new movie this year. I just plan on being a “full time blogger”.
Too funny. It’s easy to announce that you “won’t” be doing anything when NOBODY is interested in hiring you to do so.
THIS ALSO JUST IN:
DOB is about to announce that he’s not going to be fronting any of the Bon Jovi tribute bands located around the country.
See how that works?
June 18th, 200911:25 pm
DOB, speaking of Loaf…I mean, Garret, have any of you even approached the man or thought about asking him a question after a game? I seriously forget he’s even part of the team and have never read a quote from him as a Brave…ANYWHERE. He had a short, and I mean short, interview with Jerome J. after a game in Atl. but other than that…
June 18th, 200911:27 pm
Listen guys. I know alot of yall want me to be traded but while im here stop being so harsh to me!! please!! Ill sing yall some Akon if yall just praise me for once and make me feel better
June 18th, 200911:29 pm
Oh, don’t get me wrong guys (Steve, Wayne), Loas HAS TO GO!! LOL!
I should have clarified that.
But our “infield” is ranked higher, partially because Escobar and McCann are hitting at a high level. I’m actually OK with Kotchman (said it many times) because of his defense. He’s about the ONLY one that I think is immune to Chipper’s comment about the defense being “just north of horrbile” (that was a GREAT article/interview, btw).
KJ’s a weak link. Backup/utility/bench guy (with Infante out) is a weak link, and BOTH corner OF spots are a weak link.
3 of the 8 guys HAVE TO go.
My point, was that to send the same type of “message” that Wayne’s firing did (of one of the better guys), simply releasing Loaf wouldn’t send that message.
They might get “tighter” and perform better, by default. Meaning that eliminating one of the weak links, certainly isn’t gonna make the team worse.
But make no mistake. Loaf has to go. (I hesitated for a LONG time in calling him “Loaf”. But I’m left with no choice. It’s just too damn funny).
June 18th, 200911:30 pm
I’d prefer that Jeff sang to me. It can’t possibly be as painful as his AB’s, could it?
June 18th, 200911:31 pm
We had about 7 pages for a 7-0 win today, if we had lost there would have been at least a dozen.
I just plan on being a “full time blogger”. N8
As opposed to when?
June 18th, 200911:32 pm
Wayne, I really don’t see how dealing Escobar is going to help the team. I really don’t. Seeing as that he’s besting Jose Reyes and Jimmy Rollins in equivalent average, equivalent runs and OPS, I don’t see how it’s going to make the club better now. Adding the right piece in the outfield can make us a contender for 2010. Subtracting Escobar from that really takes away from it, unless we get that OF bat in return, and a league-average SS to replace him.
Still doesn’t make sense to get rid of a + bat and a ++ glove at a premium position IMO.
Great to have you back!
June 18th, 200911:34 pm
nolie, didn’t they mention in the Howard Stern movie Private Parts, that the average listener that liked Howard, listened for about 20 minutes. But the average person that couldn’t stand him, listened for about an hour?
Same thing with the Braves. Everybody loves a train-wreck. Don’t worry, when they lose all three this weekend, I’m sure the blog will be plum-full of chaos.
Roman Gal, be nice.
June 18th, 200911:35 pm
There are only so many ways to say “Yippee!”, nolie.
Maybe he was talking about GA?
Fans here do affectionately refer to him as a Lazy [Butt]
June 18th, 200911:36 pm
N8, so what if our infield production is coming from Mac and Yuney? It’s still there, and likely won’t go away. I’m disappointed in Kelly, but I think if we had a big-time slugger and a productive Jordan Schafer in the OF, we could live with him because he has shown that he can be an above-average 2B for the last two seasons (and a great one in 2007). I don’t know if he’ll ever return to those levels, but with just two more good hitters in the lineup, we could live with him IMO and get more value out of Infante and Prado as super-subs.
Kelly playing at 2B (at his previous levels) and using the supersubs as, well, supersubs maximizes the value of all three IMO, especially with Chipper certain to miss games. At this point we’ve got to get Prado playing time though. Still high on Kelly’s potential though.
June 18th, 200911:37 pm
I just made my own Blogspot page. I’ve written lots of interesting posts in the last couple of minutes.
Sorry, N8. But, you were asking for it.
June 18th, 200911:39 pm
By “live with him” I mean give him more than 1/3 (or so) of a season of sucking before we dump him for spare change…
rob from sc
I wonder if we could pry Ben Zobrist away from Tampa Bay for Mike Gonzalez. TB is in dire need of a closer.
I mentioned Brooks Conrad earlier today. Not a true SS. He can play 2B, 3B, and corner OF. He provides pop. Should call him up in place of Diory Hernandez
Almost all rookie pitchers have major ups and downs, mostly downs. Throw out that first game, and I don’t think we’ll see a major version of that with Hanson.
He’s the bona-fide real deal.
June 18th, 200911:40 pm
I agree. You certainly don’t trade a guy who isn’t even arb eligible yet, who is a key part of your offense and defense for just anybody. They would have to get a very significant return for Escobar to make it justifiable. I was even opposed to trading him for Peavy…that’s how much I think he means to the team.
June 18th, 200911:42 pm
Who cares about asking Loaf questions, I’d just like for DOB to get a Loaf reference in to him somehow, someway, before the season is over.
lol Roman Gal
cabraves, discuss? tears? adorable? LOVE?
June 18th, 200911:44 pm
all of the above
HE IS SO FREAKING ADORABLE!!!! I am tempted to watch again right now
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!!!!!!!
Baby Mac? is there anything cuter???
June 18th, 200911:45 pm
I can die happy now (CBF)
you haven’t met me yet.THEN you could die happy.
Maybe he just didn’t want too be blunt.
Steve from OH,
Chipper probably misses Smoltz playing that “bad cop” role (to the young guys). Speculation on my part, of course.
the real Andy
June 18th, 200911:46 pm
i have watched quite a few games this year, and i can’t figure out why y’all call GA Loaf. I’ve never seen him fail to hustle. Maybe he exudes a relaxed attitude between plays, but i’ve never seen him fail to run out a ground ball, or allow extra bases because of a lackadaisical play in the field.
i know there are a lot of uninformed naysayers around here (see the “trade Escobar” contigent), but the Loaf thing, I just don’t get at all…
Baby Mac? is there anything cuter???
Oh, and did you happen to hear a certain song by The Outfield playing during the game yesterday?
I’m not buying in to all this Tommy Hanson hype.
June 18th, 200911:48 pm
there is no way you can be more adorable then Brian McCann as a kid…sorry, just not possible
No, i did not have the pleasure? of hearing that song yeasterday…thank whatever higher power you believe in for that!!
Yeah, that Hanson kid will never make it.
June 18th, 200911:49 pm
Again, I would not be for trading Escobar, unless he is the problem, or we could make ourselves a LOT better after the deal is done.
I was looking up a few players I used to track, and while drilling into the Milwaukee Brewers AA team, I found they have a CF’er named Logan Schafer…..no lie!
I wonder if the Dodgers would give up Jason Repko for a mid level prospect? Dude was supposed to be a very good OF’er, then got hurt a few years ago. Doing OK in AAA this year.
Just trying to find any potential OF’ers we could use this year.
RG–I heard it too. I bet Kelly felt right at home!
Andy–Yeah, I do typically see Loaf hustling down the line. I think that he’s so limited now that it looks like he’s loafing because gramps can’t run as fast as he used to. Still think that he’s not bringing any value offensively, defensively, or on the basepaths though. Just not the player he used to be.
The Nationals’ Austin Kearns hit a drive off left-hander Phil Coke that Gardner ran down in the gap, snaring the ball before ramming his back into the fence and crumpling to the warning track.
The reason I remember Phil Coke is because he was projected to go to the Braves in one of the first rounds a few years ago in the draft.
June 18th, 200911:50 pm
Heh cabraves, I knew you had to be dying to get that out.
Tigers Bench Magglio Ordonez Indefinitely
By Howard Megdal [June 18 at 7:13pm CST]
News comes from Tom Gage of the Detroit News that the Tigers are benching Magglio Ordonez indefinitely.
Ordonez hasn’t been terrible with the average or plate discipline, but his power has disappeared. His season line is .273/.347/.343 entering Thursday’s game, and with two home runs all year, he simply hasn’t been a middle-of-the-order hitter.
Between Ordonez’s benching and the news that Carlos Guillen may not return this season, the Tigers are facing a power deficit. While they are in first place now, it is hard to imagine they will stay there all season without adding some offense.
Keep in mind, Ordonez receives $18MM in 2010 if he gets 135 starts or 540 plate appearances in 2009, or 270 starts or 1,080 plate appearances in 2008-2009 combined. Considering he had 144 starts and 623 plate appearances in 2008, that means his benchmarks are actually 126 starts or 457 plate appearances in 2009.
Consider that Ordonez is already at 57 starts, 242 plate appearances in 2009, and figure “indefinitely” will mean “most of the time” for the remainder of the season.
June 18th, 200911:52 pm
Wayne–I don’t know if those young AAAA type fillers are really on our radar. The way I see it, we’ve got one OF locked up long term in McLouth. We’ve got another that, even if he fails, we’ll stick with for the next two years or so in Schafer locked up. Heyward is on track for 2011, so we’ll need an OF for the rest of this year and one more, ideally. So I’ll bet Wren is hunting for that type of bat. Granted, he can always acquire a guy and then re-trade him, but I don’t see him trying to acquire a young, unproven guy. Gotta get a proven stick.
June 18th, 200911:54 pm
Every time a player drops in production like Ordonez, the ‘roids question always comes to mind.
Haha…I can’t believe you don’t like that song. 80’s music is the BEST!
If it doesn’t help him feel at home at home, it certainly wouldn’t on the road…I miss good Kelly. Of course, his “hot streak” or “upswing” or whatever you want to call it, wasn’t as hot because he hit everything right at the defense. I think his numbers are slightly deceptive because I feel like he’s hit into bad luck.
Good win today. I knew Hanson could pitch, but didn’t know he could hit too. I think we could get on a roll here and get back in the race for the division, despite our tough schedule. Hopefully we’ll keep it going at Fenway, I’ll be there Saturday, anyone else going? Go Braves!
June 18th, 200911:55 pm
RG–what kind of 80’s music is the best? I like the 80’s rock, myself. Not the 80’s Air Supply…
June 18th, 200911:57 pm
Kelly has a .253 babip this year.
I have no problem with (most) 80’s music…that one happens to be one that makes my ears bleed! (Plus, I really like Bulls on Parade)- besides, aren’t you way too young to like 80’s music??
Phil Coke’s nickname would have to be “Snort,” right?
Just looking for a warm body with some legs and a possible upside. I would drop Frenchy (or deal him if possible) and drop GA. Bring up Brandon Jones and ????? . Was wondering if a guy like Repko was worth a shot. I hope Schafer gets another month or so to regain his confidence.
June 18th, 200911:58 pm
80’s rock got nothin’ on 70’s rock!
June 18th, 200911:59 pm
Hmm, Steve…I like rock. I love techno. I think the thing I love most about 80’s music is how happy it is and how it makes me get up and dance!
June 19th, 200912:00 am
Do you know how old I am?
Wayne, sure. Any league-average bat will help, but we’ll need the “big bat” to be legit contenders IMO. I think we need to look at 2010 along with 2009. Agreed on Schafer, get him healthy and give him a month to get his bearings back. That would take him to right around the trade deadline, I think.
June 19th, 200912:01 am
The thing is, Francoeur hasn’t been playing well in the last couple weeks. When he does get a hit, it’s a single. He can’t hit for extra bases and has only 1 double and homerun this month. He has turned into our new Andruw Jones and it’s time to move him out so we can land a bit bat soon.
June 19th, 200912:02 am
On a good note, apparently, we’ve found our “stopper” in the rotation, huh?
Just think what this kid will do when he figures out how to use the breaking stuff to his advantage, against big league hitters. Kid was a strike out machine in the minors, and he had 2 today, and STILL gave up nothing.
Yup. He’s a keeper. I think for the next decade or so, we should continue to thank Wren for NOT including him in any trades, ESPECIALLY the Peavy trade.
Still doesn’t make the way the Glavine thing was handled right. But until it was posted that Glavine “wasn’t going to pitch”, I had actually, pretty much forgot about him.
I like Bon Jovi, Van Halen, Guns n Roses, AC/DC, Bruce Springstein, plus many, many more!!
Wayne–love all rock from the 60’s to th 90’s. Mostly don’t like much new rock. Like a little grunge. Mostly a classic Van Halen/Zeppelin/Boston/Stones/Doors/Metallica kinda guy. Like a lot of “deep cut” stuff from different bands, too.
June 19th, 200912:03 am
Definitely. While 2010 is the focus, it would sure be nice to make a run in 2009 like you state. I just don’t know if we can pull it off without paying too steep of a price.
One thing is certain, FW is certainly capable of surprising us! Let’s hope he has another trick up his sleeve.
Gotta run and get “Hannitized” tonight!
Wayne in Utah-
I actually prefer 60’s to either 70’s or 80’s…huge Dylan fan in particular
June 19th, 200912:04 am
“Sorry, N8. But, you were asking for it.” Roman Gal
I know. I was going to say “full time dad” like Glavine said, but I’m not really gonna make fun of somebody spending time with their kids, and since I’m already qualified in that category (fulltime dad), I thought I’d choose something else.
But apparently, according to you, I’m qualified for that too, huh?
June 19th, 200912:05 am
I was under the impression you are in college- which makes you at least 8 years younger then me…and I like Bon Jovi, & G&R too but The Outfield? Really?
Steve from OH: I say get rid of Frenchy and platoon in RF. Call up Schafer when he starts hitting and let him play a killer LF. His defensive abilities are beyond any Atlanta OF right now.
Hmm…I implied earlier that Kelly wasn’t doing well at home. That isn’t exactly right. He’s doing fine at home. Horribly on the road, but alright at home nonetheless.
June 19th, 200912:06 am
Also love The Doors, The Stones, James Taylor, Matellica…I have really random taste in music
June 19th, 200912:07 am
and I still can’t spell…
June 19th, 200912:08 am
We all have our quirks. I love 80’s music. I love dance music. And hey, I was born in the 80’s…so it’s not completely unrealistic to think I could like music from the decade I was born, right?
June 19th, 200912:09 am
cabravesfan–love the James Taylor stuff too. I’m glad DOB posts music lyrics here b/c he’s keyed me on to some good stuff, too. Still love my 80’s R&R though.
NewBraveWorld–I’d put Schafer in CF. Move McLouth to left/right. I dunno if Frenchy will be let go during the season, but I’ll be shocked if he’s non-tendered, barring a complete 180.
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