Dangit…I always miss the good conversation of the late-night blogging! Great stuff, cabravesfan, RHR, and Roman Gal! Hafta agree with y’all on that! I gotta make a DVD of our recording so I cann put that on my ‘Pod!
Quite interesting discussion about music last night. Learn somethig new about the ‘blog regulars’ every day around here:)
In most recent news…Jeff FRANCINE still needs to be traded, DFA, or given his release. Kelly needs to be sent to AAA, to “figure out how to stay HOT more so than he is COLD”, Martin Prado needs to be given the 2B job until Infante comes back and or Kelly gets it figured out.
Garret Anderson is still LOAF, the slowest, most lazy approach, slow moving big league player I’ve ever seen. He makes Johnny Estrada look like a 100meter relay runner!
Need B-Mac and Chipper to pick it up this weekend and help out McLouth and Yunel carry this team. Kotchman may lead the Braves in hits….granted lots of singles, mixed in with some doubles but still better than making outs.
Jeff – OUT MACHINE, 6-4-3, Failcouer!
Where is Paul Lentz when you need a statistical anti-Jeff post?
CB Thanks for the sentiment. You know, it’s hard to see someone you love go through all the difficulties that life sometimes throws at you. It’s especially hard on them, and almost equally hard on those taking care of that person. But what we have found now that she is gone is that we miss the opportunity we had to be of service to her in her most difficult of times.
Life is a paradox. It can be equally difficult and sweet all at the same time. We grieve because of our loss, but we are thrilled for those who pass away, because the next wonderful step in their life is just beginning.
I enjoyed our discussions on music last night. I will make a country girl out of Romal Gal yet!
Enough about life and music, let’s get onto BBQ and baseball. Gonna look for some burritos for lunch today!!!
The Georgia Theater burned down this morning. It was completely engulfed- flames visible for a couple of miles away. DOB, if you’re monitoring, that was the venue where you saw James McMurtry in Athens.
Y’all-You can’t DFA Francoeur-he has options left-you can send him down to the minors, but you can’t DFA him until he’s out of options. You can refuse to offer him arbitration next winter and let him leave that way. However, why would you do it if you could get some player (no matter how low level) for him?
Wayne, I’m a country music girl myself. Like 80s and earlier rock stuff, but mostly into country. Love the XM/Sirius Roadhouse Channel (10 on XM). Ever listen to that?
It’s a shame to hear of the Georgia Theater’s demise. I was at UGA when they re-opened it in the early 80’s-saw some good flicks there and a great Dixie Dregs show, too.
Has anyone heard Back Door Slam since they’ve re-formed? They’re playing up here in a few weeks and I think I might just have to go see them. Liked them before but wondered if anyone knew how (or if) their sound had changed. We’ve also got the Dyman, Mellancamp,Willie Nelson show coming -NOT at a ballpark, though.
N8, Mixxo – I have a band, an Ty Tabor mastered our last album. I thought it was so cool – he was the nicest guy. I never met him, but we had email exchanges. I think it’s cool that he does that. You can also have your guitar tracks run through his rig, or he’ll play on your stuff. Gotta love the internet!
Nathan-Didn’t even realize they were still together. I caught them in Tanpa with LA Guns and Billy Squier back in the early 90’s-good show, but I wasn’t all that familiar with them then. Just listened to Dogman and King is Coming the other day.
That Chipper Jones interview is echoing what Bill Shanks has been saying all along. Very bad chemistry in the clubhouse, and certain guys just there to pick up a check, namely Kotchman and Anderson. I wonder who “rolled their eyes” during his interview, and if this is the case-why is it being tolerated? Send GA packing and send Kotchman to the Pirates for LaRoche. Get rid of these players who either don’t want to be here, and don’t care about winning or losing, who “roll their eyes” during team meetings!
Trade him then. Hey, someone out there surely is convinced they can “turn him around”.
Dayton Moore in KC? The Rangers were able to salvage Andruw Jones’ career more or less…maybe TX? Althought they need pitching. Maybe package Jo-Jo Reyes (once he’s healthy) with Jeff for a minor leaguer or two.
Daslied, I was wondering if he still did that. I have some buddies that had him master their disc about 10 years ago. He seems like such a down to earth dude. I met all of them after the I saw them the first time out in the parking lot of the club. Pretty mellow guys.
mixxo, they are pretty kick ass live. Their vocals are just sick. Actually everything about their live performances is pretty sick. I just love them because they don’t give a rats ass about “performing”. No big intro. Just walk up on stage and let if fly. Jeans and T-shrit kinda guys. Nothing fancy. Just 3 great players makin music that you can sing along to.
…Get rid of these players who either don’t want to be here, and don’t care about winning or losing, who “roll their eyes” during team meetings! – chipperchop
Hear! Hear!
Man that burns me up hearing that about the “eye rollers.” Kinda surprised Hoss didn’t call ‘em out on it as soon as he saw it. I know I would have. Might have caused some fisticuffs, but….so be it.
Loaf really isn’t that slow, he actually moves pretty well for his size and weight 6′3″ or 6″4″ once he gets a head of steam, he just doesn’t accelerate or cut well in the OF. Looks like he’s scared he may hurt something. Like a guy walking on thin ice.
Supes-I no longer doubt that a change of scenery might be beneficial for Frenchy. I have no idea why, but it doesn’t seem he’ll ever be what he once was with the Braves. The thing about DFAing a player-you still have to pay them and he’s not worth dumping and still having to send him a check while he goes elsewhere. Might as well get a box of balls or a few bats for him. Maybe a few weeks at Gwinnett might do him some good-at this point, who knows?
id love 7-6 especially if it includes a sweep of the phillies. i think that would put the braves in a pretty good position after their toughest stretch of games.
I’m not sure what all this is about “team chemistry” as if that somehow translates into wins. It’s about talent and nothing else.
It was well known during the Brave’s glory years that the players rarely communicated with each other in the clubhouse. It was all business. After the games most players went their separate ways. Oh sure, we read these articles about Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz golfing but that was about the extent of the interaction.
It’s a business, top to bottom. What else is new? And if there is any griping in the clubhouse now, I wouldn’t be surprised because of 5 years out of the playoffs. The guys have to be getting frustrated and pointing fingers.
It’s really all up to management. Either dismantle the team and build it back up right, or spend a little money and get the players who are going to put this team on top. Otherwise, start suffering in attendance figures. It’s pretty simple really.
I really can’t stand this Bill Shanks guy. I’ve had personal dealings with him and he is a royal jerk. I wouldn’t be surprised that he is griping about team chemistry. Who cares? He is just creating news where there isn’t any. “Pay attention to me because I’m a bigshot with the Braves.” Okay, well, you are about as significant as me and I’m a nobody. My post has about as much relevance as anything you have ever written.
By the way, I agree that this team needs some turnover don’t get me wrong. Anyone who has a bad attitude should either be benched or traded. But this notion that team chemistry is a requirement for winning is wrong.
I would much rather take my chances with Diaz and his hustle,than to watch GA and his lack of effort on the field. I can’t stand to watch his drag butt another day.
Bravesfanforever-I’m not so sure that the Big Three’s golf game was the only team interaction. Chipper went golfing too (so did Wainwright-I know for a fact), Francoeur and others and still others fished a lot together. Chipper also started a business with LaRoche. I know that at least on the road, DeRosa and Matt Franco hung out as did Julio Franco and Vinny.
As for not making the playoffs-first of all it’s been three years and not five and most (except for Chipper) weren’t even here for the 14 year run and a couple others (Baby Braves) only played in the last year of the streak, so I’m not sure how frustrated they are that they no longer have dates in October.
You ight just have a point on the talent thing, though. When you draft last or close to it for a decade and a half, you aren’t going to draft top players and Tommy Hanson in the 22nd round doesn’t happen very often. Couple that with salary concerns and lack of funding for a good Free Agent recruiting program and you have what we have-mediocrity. And mediocre is exactly what the Braves are. They don’t suck like so many suggest, they’re average..
That is a very, very good idea at 3:20. Now, I have to figure out how to use the wand portion of the vaccuum cleaner. In fact, I think I’m going to do that today!
bravesfanforever — I suppose I’m just sick & tired of this same ol’….same ol’… boring “business as usual” approach. Yeah, ‘95 was nice alright. Never in a million years will it make up for all the FAIL before and since then though.
Mixxo-Just be glad you’re not a Cubs or Pirates fan. THAT is truly frustrating. What the Braves’ fans have had to deal with doesn’t even register of the futility meter.
if chipper’s problem is guys not doing the little things to win, to me that brings out escobar as a culprit, if we look at recent events. he just got benched the other day and i bet that chipper and bobby are more or less on the same page about this team.
McFann – I love dark hair. Dark hair and light eyes are the prettiest combo ever, brown eyes are pretty too, just the dark/light contrast is my personal fave. Never go blonde, embrace your brunette-ness!
RomanGal – LOL the wand portion of the vacuum cleaner is actually pretty awesome, as far as cleaning devices go.
And I’m late to the party but here are my random ipod songs. I have to have fast hard beat songs for running..or something like that. (Don’t look DirtyDawg)
Hey Ya – Outkast
Fans – Kings of Leon
King of the Rodeo – Kings of Leon
My Name is Prince – Prince
Last Resort – Papa Roach
You Got Another Thing Coming – Judas Priest
Bittersweet Symphony Remix – Moby
Bleed it Out – Linkin Park
Santeria – Sublime
No One – Alicia Keys
Maybe a few weeks at Gwinnett might do him some good-at this point, who knows?
I know its not up to him but can you imagine? His thick head would explode if anyone dared send him to the minor leagues again, nevermind that most days he looks like a minor league player out there.
I just read the other article about John Smoltz’s beginning his journey to recover from his victimization at the hands of the Braves. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think John Smoltz makes a very good victim. From my memory, he was offered sme $$$ buy the Braves to pitch a half season and he was offered much more by the Red Sox…and he took the Red Sox offer. John was the beneficiary and not the victim. I felt a little victimized by the passage of time…20 years is a long time…but time does pass on. One thing’s for sure, he would not have made much of a difference in the Braves first half of 2009. I’m hopeful he can help the Red Sox beat the Yankees. I’m back to viewing our home team as just another mediocre half team.
Thanks for the Brent Mason link, CTater. The man can play and play quite a few different styles very well. WITH a thumb pick too! Looks like he does the “fake” nails thing on his right hand. Really efficient player. P90’s in the neck of a Tele works well too.
You know what another pretty good trade for Frank Wren was? Blaine Boyer for Brian Barton. The Cardinals ended up giving Boyer away for nothing on waivers to some irrelevant team. I don’t even remember who claimed him.
9:45 prediction person… thanks for the pep talk, we needed that. Gotta have a little positive read every now and then. Good to see there are some up-lifting folks out there. Once again, thanks!
What follows is a brief summary of said havoc, lifted from my article on the encounter: Henriquez had been swinging left-handed in the on-deck circle, so Venditte switched his glove to his right hand in order to face the 21-year-old backstop. Seeing this, Henriquez instead came to the plate batting from the right side. So Venditte switched his glove back to his left hand. Henriquez then decided to bat lefty, and Venditte switched his glove yet again.
After a lengthy delay, Henriquez was made to bat right-handed against Venditte throwing right-handed (a three-pitch strikeout was the result). In order to ensure that such a farce would not occur again, the Professional Baseball Umpires Corporation quickly instituted the so-called “Venditte rule.” In a nutshell, it stated that an ambidextrous pitcher must visually indicate which hand he is going to throw with. The batter, if he is a switch-hitter, then chooses which side of the plate he is going to hit from.
We better straighten up, RG. Time to throw out some obscure minor leaguers stats and talk about how Frank Wren needs to get him and get him now..or something.
We can even use Micah to mop up…but clearly this guy needs to have someone teach him he’s going to make way more money long-term as a hitter in the MLB.
You are right about Bill Shanks being a jerk. I’ve read some of his replies to posters on his site-and he comes across as extremely condescending , almost like this is MY site, and it is YOUR privelege to pay to post here. However, I do think that he is right that there is some either negativity of the team or players that don’t give a rats ass about winning they just want to collect their paychecks. He specifically calls out Anderson and Kotchman as players who do not mingle with anyone else, and don’t want to play for the Atlanta Braves because they still wish they were in Anaheim. I wonder if true, if Anderson has rubbed off on Kotchman, because I wouldn’t have thought that about Casey until Anderson arrived. Personally, if Anderson is going to sabotage the team because he doesn’t care, he should be let go. He should be THANKFUL at his age and his declining skills that he has a job that pays him million of dollars. Get rid of the hack!!!!
Just got to my hotel in Boston and surprise — it’s pouring. Supposed to rain all weekend. If we get in three games, it’ll be a shocker.
Remember when we used to go several weeks without rain delays? We can’t go one series this season without a rain delay or multiple delays.
Good for Carroll not to be here — no one should be subjected to that much rain in one trip.
On a positive note, at least it’s not 90-something degrees here. only in the 60s. But just completely socked in, grey and raining. Couldn’t see land until plane was about 100 feet off the ground.
I know it looks like a bad fantasy baseball trade (where you send 10 sh*tty dues for one good guy), but I can see this happening because every single player involved in the trade has an uncertain MLB future (except for Owings).
DOB- Welcome to the north east this spring. The land of mushrooms. It’s been absolutely miserable. Rain’s in the forecast until next Wednesday to be exact.
Yesterdays rain almost helped the Braves inadvertently. If the Yanks game was rained out they were going to make it up next Monday. The Yanks would have flown from Miami Sunday night back to NY to play the Nats Monday and then on to Atlanta to play the Brave Tuesday. No fun there. Instead the Yanks will have an off day on Monday to sharpen their weapons. Now your Braves might be stuck in Beantown until Monday trying to get another game in.
slugger the reds use him alot as a pinch hitter as well, which helps increase his value. hes got 3 hits (1 homer) in 9 PH Abs.
i think it would be interesting to see if a team could use him as a bullpen guy, and maybe a first baseman…i dont know how he would be defensively anywhere, but hes 26 and can really hit. i bet we might see him get a chance as a position player sooner or later.
If and when Smoltzie enters teh hall of fame, do you think he’ll enter with a RED SOX hat? He’s being an ass. He has plenty on money and could have stayed right here – He saw the hand writing on the wall and wanted to play for a championship for a little more money.
After this latest article, I am so glad he won’t be pitching against the Braves, I’d lose my voice Booing
Trade Vasquez for the best package of prospects offered
Trade Francoeur for whatever you can get or send him down
Trade Escobar to the Marlins for Cody Ross + a prospect
Trade a Kotchman + a prospect to PGH for LaRoche and Wilson- they want Wilson’s money gone in a bad way and LaRoche can walk this year.
Lineup:
McLouth
Prado/KJ
Jones
Ross
McCann
LaRoche
GA/Diaz
Wilson
May as well get Bobby his three-run homer lineup since that’s how he plays it. Frees up some cash for a slugger next year and should restock the farm some as well. Escobar would be loved in Miami, and the Braves could live with Diory in the no. 8 slot next season. Most importantly, Braves wouldn’t be taking on any 2009 payroll as the salaries cancel out.
I don’t care who else we get with Owings, but let’s get him. How much can the Reds really value the guy? They picked him up as a PTBNL. If we throw 5 or six guys at him, can they really pass it up? They need a lot of help…
Nick Markakis came to YHC as a pitcher, folks. The pitchers threw a shutout in one of the fall-ball games, so Robinson let pitchers hit BP. When Nick hit 15 out of 20 balls out of the atmosphere, Coach said Nick would hit in every single game for the rest of his career at YHC.
He only went on to win JUCO player of the year twice with two 100 RBI 20+HR seasons (50-60 games).
Micah’s done the same thing as a hitter in college and now in the MLB.
It really makes you wonder if G Anderson had it in his mind that this was going to be his last season and he was going to sign on with anyone who would pay him anything. A lot of people including me was shocked that he took such a low salary. He really took a huge pay cut. If the guy was supposedly such a professional hitter then shouldn’t he be hitting better than he is now?
But I don’t know. He is an interesting case. He’s had some pretty good second halfs the past 3 years and frankly it wouldn’t take much to rise above his .657 OPS and meet the .758 he posted last year. If that’s all we are expecting from him.
The point is whether or not we wait for him to post the numbers or get someone to replace him. I guess if 2009 is a lost year then forget it. Let him finish the season.
It’s just too bad that we can’t get more consistent production since we have so many others who are streaky. I did not expect him to be hitting like this at all. Looking at his stats, he comes across as someone who gets the hits consistently but apparently I was wrong. At 36 years old, you just never know what you are going to get.
I’d rather have Diaz in LF every day for the rest of the season. Bring up Brandon Jones for RF even though he hasn’t shown ANY power at all this season. Zero home runs??? What is that? That in itself is just as bizarre as half the players production on this team. But he could potentially hit .300 which is a lot more than what I can say for RF, LF, or 2B.
I read this morning that Glavine will not do anything baseball the rest of this year, but will look at 2010. I bet he is a coach in the Braves system next year.
I am tired of all the complaints involving Braves personnel decisions. The Braves have been and must continue to be run as a sports (business) franchise to be successful. A company (like General Motors) that does not look to the future and instead keeps sticking with the old product line ultimately will fail and either be shut down or be bought out at a huge discount.
Continuing along this line of thought I do feel sorry for the Flint, Michigan auto worker that loses his job, but if this decision is necessry for the future growth and vitality of the company it must be done. I really feel that General Motors past success was one of its biggest reasons for failure, they didn’t want to let go of the past.
As for the Braves do we dare compare Tom Glavine to the layed-off auto worker? The Braves glory days are over and if we want the team to play successfully in the City of Atlanta in the future then as fans we should support the tough decisions that must be made.
You might rather have a starting rotation the features Smoltz,Glavine,& Hampton(oops he’s on the dl again)… but for me I am glad we have, Lowe,Vasquez, & Kawakami. Are you wanting to go out and buy a 2009 Chevy Lumina or are you willing to wait for GM’s 2010 & 2011 line-up.
Wasn’t Tim Hudson also a good hitter in college? I can’t believe people are actually thinking we should trade our starting RFer and 2Ber, plus others, for a pitcher who only pitches well against us. And have him play the outfield? Even if the guy could do it, he’s not going to step in tomorrow and hit 20 homers and drive in 80 runs. He might set an error record, though…Frenchy would end up looking like Hank Aaron next to him.
I don’t want Garrett in the lineup if his negativity rubs off on others. Like you said send him and Frenchy packing, play Diaz and Jones. Neither Anderson or Frenchy is hitting with any power either, but at least with Diaz and Jones you have players who want to play everyday….I really can’t wait until our outfield is McClouth, Heyward, and Schafer, and our first baseman is Freddy Freeman.
varodrunner … The HOF a few years ago decided that they would determine the team hat that the hall of famer wears. The player no longer has anything to do with it. This was done in part to prevent players from having incentive clauses in a contract… for example: “I’ll wear your hat in the HOF for a certain amount of money.”
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McFann :Ô:
June 19th, 2009
10:24 am
Dangit…I always miss the good conversation of the late-night blogging! Great stuff, cabravesfan, RHR, and Roman Gal! Hafta agree with y’all on that!
I gotta make a DVD of our recording so I cann put that on my ‘Pod!
PS–I have dark hair.
Shamus Thacker
June 19th, 2009
10:26 am
“”"According to the WSJ, the Braves have the least educated management in all of MLB.”"”
Only fitting really, considering the local populace is the least educated in the history of civilization.
Doc Holiday
June 19th, 2009
10:29 am
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS WITH CHIPPER ON FOXSPORTS.COM:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9700054/Q-and-A-with-Braves-slugger-Chipper-Jones
CB
June 19th, 2009
10:30 am
Wayne,sorry to read about your loss, always enjoy reading your posts. Life can be tough, but hang in there.
Shamus Thacker
June 19th, 2009
10:31 am
PS–I have some hair.
Supes
June 19th, 2009
10:32 am
Quite interesting discussion about music last night. Learn somethig new about the ‘blog regulars’ every day around here:)
In most recent news…Jeff FRANCINE still needs to be traded, DFA, or given his release. Kelly needs to be sent to AAA, to “figure out how to stay HOT more so than he is COLD”, Martin Prado needs to be given the 2B job until Infante comes back and or Kelly gets it figured out.
Garret Anderson is still LOAF, the slowest, most lazy approach, slow moving big league player I’ve ever seen. He makes Johnny Estrada look like a 100meter relay runner!
Need B-Mac and Chipper to pick it up this weekend and help out McLouth and Yunel carry this team. Kotchman may lead the Braves in hits….granted lots of singles, mixed in with some doubles but still better than making outs.
Jeff – OUT MACHINE, 6-4-3, Failcouer!
Where is Paul Lentz when you need a statistical anti-Jeff post?
Supes
June 19th, 2009
10:33 am
Will people quit posting the Chipper Jones foxsports.com interview bits.
That’s yesterday’s news…it’s been posted and reposted. Goodness, read a few pages back (sometimes, you never know what you may miss!)
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
June 19th, 2009
10:37 am
Bubdylan,
Ditto Wayne’s comments. Good wishes to you.
Shamus Thacker
June 19th, 2009
10:37 am
They’re trying to drive you crazy Supes.
Couch Tater
June 19th, 2009
10:40 am
N8, Steve, Wayne & any other passionate guitar player:
My favorite- Brent Mason. Every time I watch this series, I want to share. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2UF0teCjTI
Wayne in Utah
June 19th, 2009
10:41 am
CB Thanks for the sentiment. You know, it’s hard to see someone you love go through all the difficulties that life sometimes throws at you. It’s especially hard on them, and almost equally hard on those taking care of that person. But what we have found now that she is gone is that we miss the opportunity we had to be of service to her in her most difficult of times.
Life is a paradox. It can be equally difficult and sweet all at the same time. We grieve because of our loss, but we are thrilled for those who pass away, because the next wonderful step in their life is just beginning.
I enjoyed our discussions on music last night. I will make a country girl out of Romal Gal yet!
Enough about life and music, let’s get onto BBQ and baseball. Gonna look for some burritos for lunch today!!!
Mr J
June 19th, 2009
10:42 am
To any blog denizens with a UGA connection:
The Georgia Theater burned down this morning. It was completely engulfed- flames visible for a couple of miles away. DOB, if you’re monitoring, that was the venue where you saw James McMurtry in Athens.
DAP
June 19th, 2009
10:42 am
So can we now pencil Kawakami in the 5 slot?
thats where hes been for a while now…
getsomepower
June 19th, 2009
10:44 am
Braves have uphill battle these next 13. With some breaks going our way, we’ll come out of it 7-6.
Lew
June 19th, 2009
10:46 am
Y’all-You can’t DFA Francoeur-he has options left-you can send him down to the minors, but you can’t DFA him until he’s out of options. You can refuse to offer him arbitration next winter and let him leave that way. However, why would you do it if you could get some player (no matter how low level) for him?
Lew
June 19th, 2009
10:47 am
Maybe if we offered Bub Dylan a Wurlitzer if he returns?
getsomepower
June 19th, 2009
10:48 am
The hopeful 7-6 in the next 13 aside, lots of subplots the next 4-5 days.
Kawakami vs. Dice-K. I think KK will be GAME tonight.
Lowe pitching against his former club tomorrow.
Personally, I’m looking forward to the possible Hanson vs. Joba pitching matchup on Tuesday.
Wayne in Utah
June 19th, 2009
10:48 am
Tater
Thanks for the link. I was playing like that last night…..then I woke up!
Bravos
June 19th, 2009
10:50 am
Does the list in this article mean the Braves are the dumbest team in MLB?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124511558996917441.html
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2009
10:51 am
Wayne, I’m a country music girl myself. Like 80s and earlier rock stuff, but mostly into country. Love the XM/Sirius Roadhouse Channel (10 on XM). Ever listen to that?
Mixxo
June 19th, 2009
10:51 am
Couch Tater
Thanks for that. Yeah, Brent’s a baaad man alright. That mini-humbucker on the first tune was sweet!
Got some bad Tele (w/ a neck mini-hum) gas now! :p
McFann :Ô:
June 19th, 2009
10:52 am
Bubdylan–
Best wishes to you from me, too! My brother and I were just wondering the other day what had happened to you.
Lew
June 19th, 2009
11:02 am
It’s a shame to hear of the Georgia Theater’s demise. I was at UGA when they re-opened it in the early 80’s-saw some good flicks there and a great Dixie Dregs show, too.
PWHjort
June 19th, 2009
11:05 am
Terrible news about the Georgia Theatre. Efrim, OK, 3 years from now. Lighten up.
N8
June 19th, 2009
11:09 am
Thanks Tater. Love that stuff. Could watch it all day.
Lew
June 19th, 2009
11:10 am
Has anyone heard Back Door Slam since they’ve re-formed? They’re playing up here in a few weeks and I think I might just have to go see them. Liked them before but wondered if anyone knew how (or if) their sound had changed. We’ve also got the Dyman, Mellancamp,Willie Nelson show coming -NOT at a ballpark, though.
Lew
June 19th, 2009
11:10 am
That should have been Dylan.
Couch Tater
June 19th, 2009
11:13 am
Mixxo,
I hope you watch all 5 parts. (but, it will only increase the gas)
N8
June 19th, 2009
11:18 am
Tater, I’m moving on to Part-2!
Mixxo, I can’t get enough Kings X. Going to see them tomorrow. Uber-pumped about that.
Daslied
June 19th, 2009
11:21 am
N8, Mixxo – I have a band, an Ty Tabor mastered our last album. I thought it was so cool – he was the nicest guy. I never met him, but we had email exchanges. I think it’s cool that he does that. You can also have your guitar tracks run through his rig, or he’ll play on your stuff. Gotta love the internet!
Lew
June 19th, 2009
11:21 am
Nathan-Didn’t even realize they were still together. I caught them in Tanpa with LA Guns and Billy Squier back in the early 90’s-good show, but I wasn’t all that familiar with them then. Just listened to Dogman and King is Coming the other day.
Mixxo
June 19th, 2009
11:23 am
Tater – I will a bit later.
N8 – I’m jealous!
Have fun. I hear they sound great “live” too.
Mixxo
June 19th, 2009
11:25 am
Daslied – That’s WAY cool! Love his playing. He’s got a great ear.
Mixxo
June 19th, 2009
11:27 am
If we go 7-6 in the next 13…..I’ll be a happy man.
I want 9-4 though!
flange1
June 19th, 2009
11:28 am
Bubdylan,
Hope all is well, you are missed here!
McFann,
Does your brother post on the blog too?
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2009
11:28 am
any of you music fans in Atlanta going to the Bad Co/Doobie Bros tonight?
Efrim
June 19th, 2009
11:30 am
PWHjort, easy buddy. Just kinda flew past me. No worries.
chipperchop
June 19th, 2009
11:38 am
That Chipper Jones interview is echoing what Bill Shanks has been saying all along. Very bad chemistry in the clubhouse, and certain guys just there to pick up a check, namely Kotchman and Anderson. I wonder who “rolled their eyes” during his interview, and if this is the case-why is it being tolerated? Send GA packing and send Kotchman to the Pirates for LaRoche. Get rid of these players who either don’t want to be here, and don’t care about winning or losing, who “roll their eyes” during team meetings!
Supes
June 19th, 2009
11:39 am
Lew,
Trade him then. Hey, someone out there surely is convinced they can “turn him around”.
Dayton Moore in KC? The Rangers were able to salvage Andruw Jones’ career more or less…maybe TX? Althought they need pitching. Maybe package Jo-Jo Reyes (once he’s healthy) with Jeff for a minor leaguer or two.
Supes
June 19th, 2009
11:40 am
Shamus,
Very well maybe. All they have to do is tell me how great Jeff really is and how he’s just about to turn the corner. No need to repost that info:)
Salamander
June 19th, 2009
11:43 am
If we go 7-6 in the next 13…..I’ll be a happy man.
I want 9-4 though!
Either of those outcomes sounds great… I predicted that they will go 4-9 yesterday, so hopefully I’m wrong.
N8
June 19th, 2009
11:45 am
Daslied, I was wondering if he still did that. I have some buddies that had him master their disc about 10 years ago. He seems like such a down to earth dude. I met all of them after the I saw them the first time out in the parking lot of the club. Pretty mellow guys.
mixxo, they are pretty kick ass live. Their vocals are just sick. Actually everything about their live performances is pretty sick. I just love them because they don’t give a rats ass about “performing”. No big intro. Just walk up on stage and let if fly. Jeans and T-shrit kinda guys. Nothing fancy. Just 3 great players makin music that you can sing along to.
Mixxo
June 19th, 2009
11:46 am
…Get rid of these players who either don’t want to be here, and don’t care about winning or losing, who “roll their eyes” during team meetings! – chipperchop
Hear! Hear!
Man that burns me up hearing that about the “eye rollers.” Kinda surprised Hoss didn’t call ‘em out on it as soon as he saw it. I know I would have. Might have caused some fisticuffs, but….so be it.
If you don’t wanna win ….GTFO!
monty
June 19th, 2009
11:50 am
Loaf really isn’t that slow, he actually moves pretty well for his size and weight 6′3″ or 6″4″ once he gets a head of steam, he just doesn’t accelerate or cut well in the OF. Looks like he’s scared he may hurt something. Like a guy walking on thin ice.
Lew
June 19th, 2009
11:50 am
Supes-I no longer doubt that a change of scenery might be beneficial for Frenchy. I have no idea why, but it doesn’t seem he’ll ever be what he once was with the Braves. The thing about DFAing a player-you still have to pay them and he’s not worth dumping and still having to send him a check while he goes elsewhere. Might as well get a box of balls or a few bats for him. Maybe a few weeks at Gwinnett might do him some good-at this point, who knows?
DAP
June 19th, 2009
11:51 am
id love 7-6 especially if it includes a sweep of the phillies. i think that would put the braves in a pretty good position after their toughest stretch of games.
richbrave
June 19th, 2009
11:51 am
DIAZ was raking yesterday afternoon. The REDS must have started a left-hander.
bravesfanforever
June 19th, 2009
11:51 am
I’m not sure what all this is about “team chemistry” as if that somehow translates into wins. It’s about talent and nothing else.
It was well known during the Brave’s glory years that the players rarely communicated with each other in the clubhouse. It was all business. After the games most players went their separate ways. Oh sure, we read these articles about Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz golfing but that was about the extent of the interaction.
It’s a business, top to bottom. What else is new? And if there is any griping in the clubhouse now, I wouldn’t be surprised because of 5 years out of the playoffs. The guys have to be getting frustrated and pointing fingers.
It’s really all up to management. Either dismantle the team and build it back up right, or spend a little money and get the players who are going to put this team on top. Otherwise, start suffering in attendance figures. It’s pretty simple really.
I really can’t stand this Bill Shanks guy. I’ve had personal dealings with him and he is a royal jerk. I wouldn’t be surprised that he is griping about team chemistry. Who cares? He is just creating news where there isn’t any. “Pay attention to me because I’m a bigshot with the Braves.” Okay, well, you are about as significant as me and I’m a nobody. My post has about as much relevance as anything you have ever written.
bravesfanforever
June 19th, 2009
11:53 am
By the way, I agree that this team needs some turnover don’t get me wrong. Anyone who has a bad attitude should either be benched or traded. But this notion that team chemistry is a requirement for winning is wrong.
CB
June 19th, 2009
11:55 am
I would much rather take my chances with Diaz and his hustle,than to watch GA and his lack of effort on the field. I can’t stand to watch his drag butt another day.
Lew
June 19th, 2009
11:59 am
Bravesfanforever-I’m not so sure that the Big Three’s golf game was the only team interaction. Chipper went golfing too (so did Wainwright-I know for a fact), Francoeur and others and still others fished a lot together. Chipper also started a business with LaRoche. I know that at least on the road, DeRosa and Matt Franco hung out as did Julio Franco and Vinny.
As for not making the playoffs-first of all it’s been three years and not five and most (except for Chipper) weren’t even here for the 14 year run and a couple others (Baby Braves) only played in the last year of the streak, so I’m not sure how frustrated they are that they no longer have dates in October.
You ight just have a point on the talent thing, though. When you draft last or close to it for a decade and a half, you aren’t going to draft top players and Tommy Hanson in the 22nd round doesn’t happen very often. Couple that with salary concerns and lack of funding for a good Free Agent recruiting program and you have what we have-mediocrity. And mediocre is exactly what the Braves are. They don’t suck like so many suggest, they’re average..
Roman Gal
June 19th, 2009
12:00 pm
Gil in Mechanicsville
That is a very, very good idea at 3:20. Now, I have to figure out how to use the wand portion of the vaccuum cleaner. In fact, I think I’m going to do that today!
Lew
June 19th, 2009
12:00 pm
Meant to say Vinny Castilla.
Mixxo
June 19th, 2009
12:07 pm
bravesfanforever — I suppose I’m just sick & tired of this same ol’….same ol’… boring “business as usual” approach. Yeah, ‘95 was nice alright. Never in a million years will it make up for all the FAIL before and since then though.
Roman Gal
June 19th, 2009
12:09 pm
…because some weirdo was sending me creepy messages. RHR
Yikes!! That makes sense. I hope you blocked creepy weirdo man…
Lew
June 19th, 2009
12:09 pm
Mixxo-Just be glad you’re not a Cubs or Pirates fan. THAT is truly frustrating. What the Braves’ fans have had to deal with doesn’t even register of the futility meter.
Roman Gal
June 19th, 2009
12:11 pm
Wow…my Bubdylan chanting worked.
Ok, now even the people who are completely mad about all the music/non-baseball talk last night have to appreciate that, right?!
DAP
June 19th, 2009
12:12 pm
if chipper’s problem is guys not doing the little things to win, to me that brings out escobar as a culprit, if we look at recent events. he just got benched the other day and i bet that chipper and bobby are more or less on the same page about this team.
Roman Gal
June 19th, 2009
12:14 pm
I will make a country girl out of Romal Gal yet! Wayne in Utah
Hah! Good luck with that…
RHR
June 19th, 2009
12:14 pm
McFann – I love dark hair. Dark hair and light eyes are the prettiest combo ever, brown eyes are pretty too, just the dark/light contrast is my personal fave. Never go blonde, embrace your brunette-ness!
RomanGal – LOL the wand portion of the vacuum cleaner is actually pretty awesome, as far as cleaning devices go.
And I’m late to the party but here are my random ipod songs. I have to have fast hard beat songs for running..or something like that. (Don’t look DirtyDawg)
Hey Ya – Outkast
Fans – Kings of Leon
King of the Rodeo – Kings of Leon
My Name is Prince – Prince
Last Resort – Papa Roach
You Got Another Thing Coming – Judas Priest
Bittersweet Symphony Remix – Moby
Bleed it Out – Linkin Park
Santeria – Sublime
No One – Alicia Keys
Maybe a few weeks at Gwinnett might do him some good-at this point, who knows?
I know its not up to him but can you imagine? His thick head would explode if anyone dared send him to the minor leagues again, nevermind that most days he looks like a minor league player out there.
Braves Fan
June 19th, 2009
12:16 pm
I just read the other article about John Smoltz’s beginning his journey to recover from his victimization at the hands of the Braves. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think John Smoltz makes a very good victim. From my memory, he was offered sme $$$ buy the Braves to pitch a half season and he was offered much more by the Red Sox…and he took the Red Sox offer. John was the beneficiary and not the victim. I felt a little victimized by the passage of time…20 years is a long time…but time does pass on. One thing’s for sure, he would not have made much of a difference in the Braves first half of 2009. I’m hopeful he can help the Red Sox beat the Yankees. I’m back to viewing our home team as just another mediocre half team.
3trees
June 19th, 2009
12:18 pm
Thanks for the Brent Mason link, CTater. The man can play and play quite a few different styles very well. WITH a thumb pick too! Looks like he does the “fake” nails thing on his right hand. Really efficient player. P90’s in the neck of a Tele works well too.
Go Braves!
PWHjort
June 19th, 2009
12:22 pm
You know what another pretty good trade for Frank Wren was? Blaine Boyer for Brian Barton. The Cardinals ended up giving Boyer away for nothing on waivers to some irrelevant team. I don’t even remember who claimed him.
TnBrian
June 19th, 2009
12:22 pm
9:45 prediction person… thanks for the pep talk, we needed that. Gotta have a little positive read every now and then. Good to see there are some up-lifting folks out there. Once again, thanks!
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
12:22 pm
All – Posted this to DOB before, but Pat Venditte is an ambidextrous MiLB pitcher for the Yanks (played against him in college summer league).
Anyways, here’s an article today from MiLB.com:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090618&content_id=5403780&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp
What follows is a brief summary of said havoc, lifted from my article on the encounter: Henriquez had been swinging left-handed in the on-deck circle, so Venditte switched his glove to his right hand in order to face the 21-year-old backstop. Seeing this, Henriquez instead came to the plate batting from the right side. So Venditte switched his glove back to his left hand. Henriquez then decided to bat lefty, and Venditte switched his glove yet again.
After a lengthy delay, Henriquez was made to bat right-handed against Venditte throwing right-handed (a three-pitch strikeout was the result). In order to ensure that such a farce would not occur again, the Professional Baseball Umpires Corporation quickly instituted the so-called “Venditte rule.” In a nutshell, it stated that an ambidextrous pitcher must visually indicate which hand he is going to throw with. The batter, if he is a switch-hitter, then chooses which side of the plate he is going to hit from.
Roman Gal
June 19th, 2009
12:22 pm
Dark hair and light eyes are the prettiest combo ever RHR
Aww, shucks! You’re making me blush…
RHR
June 19th, 2009
12:25 pm
We better straighten up, RG. Time to throw out some obscure minor leaguers stats and talk about how Frank Wren needs to get him and get him now..or something.
Or, I’m always good for a Jeff bash.
CB
June 19th, 2009
12:26 pm
RHR, I am past feeling sorry for Francoeur for his feelings. He does not deserve a major league roster spot.Trade him or send him to the minors.
Roman Gal
June 19th, 2009
12:30 pm
RHR-
Well, I gotta go anyways. Be a good grandkid and all that…
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2009
12:31 pm
Dark hair and light eyes are the prettiest combo ever
RHR-
While I totally agree, there is something to be said about sparkly blue eyes and fuzzy haired blondes
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
12:33 pm
Does anybody think the Reds are dumb for letting a career .901 OPS (batting) guy remain a SP with a 5.00 ERA every season?
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
12:37 pm
Let’s ship Jeff, Blanco, GA and Kelly Johnson straight up to Cincy for Micah Owings (our new starting RF).
That would take serious b*lls from Wren.
varodrunner
June 19th, 2009
12:37 pm
We rad about team chemistry – Maybe Rosetta could help the chemistry. Hell when half the team needs translators, how does chemistry develop?
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
12:38 pm
We can even use Micah to mop up…but clearly this guy needs to have someone teach him he’s going to make way more money long-term as a hitter in the MLB.
chipperchop
June 19th, 2009
12:38 pm
Bravesfanforever,
You are right about Bill Shanks being a jerk. I’ve read some of his replies to posters on his site-and he comes across as extremely condescending , almost like this is MY site, and it is YOUR privelege to pay to post here. However, I do think that he is right that there is some either negativity of the team or players that don’t give a rats ass about winning they just want to collect their paychecks. He specifically calls out Anderson and Kotchman as players who do not mingle with anyone else, and don’t want to play for the Atlanta Braves because they still wish they were in Anaheim. I wonder if true, if Anderson has rubbed off on Kotchman, because I wouldn’t have thought that about Casey until Anderson arrived. Personally, if Anderson is going to sabotage the team because he doesn’t care, he should be let go. He should be THANKFUL at his age and his declining skills that he has a job that pays him million of dollars. Get rid of the hack!!!!
CB
June 19th, 2009
12:38 pm
All women are beautiful who radiate beauty, in their smiles and demeanor. Now for us guys, not so much.
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2009
12:39 pm
Just got to my hotel in Boston and surprise — it’s pouring. Supposed to rain all weekend. If we get in three games, it’ll be a shocker.
Remember when we used to go several weeks without rain delays? We can’t go one series this season without a rain delay or multiple delays.
Good for Carroll not to be here — no one should be subjected to that much rain in one trip.
On a positive note, at least it’s not 90-something degrees here. only in the 60s. But just completely socked in, grey and raining. Couldn’t see land until plane was about 100 feet off the ground.
TBrown
June 19th, 2009
12:44 pm
I’m ready for the all-Japan blog. I think Kawakami will bring his A game tonight
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
12:45 pm
Let’s throw in Parr and JoJo Reyes, too.
Reds get: Francoeur, Kelly Johnson, Garret Anderson, Gregor Blanco, James Parr, JoJo Reyes (frees up 7-8 Mil)
Braves get: Micah Owings, peace of mind, a breath of fresh air, someone that swings hard and makes contact, mop up guy
(maybe we can squeeze Drew Subbs but highly unlikely)
Then we have no more Francoeur stories, no more Kelly popping up to shallow left, no more JoJo, NO MORE GA
B-rockGT
June 19th, 2009
12:45 pm
http://sites.google.com/site/atlchop/
cool new blog. just starting up but I wrote an a piece kind of echoing what mark bradley said about Bobby Cox
Enjoy
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
12:47 pm
I know it looks like a bad fantasy baseball trade (where you send 10 sh*tty dues for one good guy), but I can see this happening because every single player involved in the trade has an uncertain MLB future (except for Owings).
Owings has proven he can hit at every level.
Anders
June 19th, 2009
12:47 pm
DOB- Welcome to the north east this spring. The land of mushrooms. It’s been absolutely miserable. Rain’s in the forecast until next Wednesday to be exact.
Yesterdays rain almost helped the Braves inadvertently. If the Yanks game was rained out they were going to make it up next Monday. The Yanks would have flown from Miami Sunday night back to NY to play the Nats Monday and then on to Atlanta to play the Brave Tuesday. No fun there. Instead the Yanks will have an off day on Monday to sharpen their weapons. Now your Braves might be stuck in Beantown until Monday trying to get another game in.
DAP
June 19th, 2009
12:47 pm
slugger the reds use him alot as a pinch hitter as well, which helps increase his value. hes got 3 hits (1 homer) in 9 PH Abs.
i think it would be interesting to see if a team could use him as a bullpen guy, and maybe a first baseman…i dont know how he would be defensively anywhere, but hes 26 and can really hit. i bet we might see him get a chance as a position player sooner or later.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2009
12:50 pm
Anders-
not possible- the Braves have a make up games with the Cubs on Monday
DAP
June 19th, 2009
12:50 pm
slugger if we are going to make a trade with cincinnati, lets get brandon phillips while were at it.
getsomepower
June 19th, 2009
12:53 pm
Anders -
Mets face the hot Rays (although the suddenly .500 Rockies cooled them off the last couple of game)
varodrunner
June 19th, 2009
12:58 pm
If and when Smoltzie enters teh hall of fame, do you think he’ll enter with a RED SOX hat? He’s being an ass. He has plenty on money and could have stayed right here – He saw the hand writing on the wall and wanted to play for a championship for a little more money.
After this latest article, I am so glad he won’t be pitching against the Braves, I’d lose my voice Booing
McLouth of the South
June 19th, 2009
1:01 pm
One more “shakeup” idea:
Trade Vasquez for the best package of prospects offered
Trade Francoeur for whatever you can get or send him down
Trade Escobar to the Marlins for Cody Ross + a prospect
Trade a Kotchman + a prospect to PGH for LaRoche and Wilson- they want Wilson’s money gone in a bad way and LaRoche can walk this year.
Lineup:
McLouth
Prado/KJ
Jones
Ross
McCann
LaRoche
GA/Diaz
Wilson
May as well get Bobby his three-run homer lineup since that’s how he plays it. Frees up some cash for a slugger next year and should restock the farm some as well. Escobar would be loved in Miami, and the Braves could live with Diory in the no. 8 slot next season. Most importantly, Braves wouldn’t be taking on any 2009 payroll as the salaries cancel out.
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
1:02 pm
I don’t care who else we get with Owings, but let’s get him. How much can the Reds really value the guy? They picked him up as a PTBNL. If we throw 5 or six guys at him, can they really pass it up? They need a lot of help…
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
1:04 pm
People think pitchers can’t hit.
Nick Markakis came to YHC as a pitcher, folks. The pitchers threw a shutout in one of the fall-ball games, so Robinson let pitchers hit BP. When Nick hit 15 out of 20 balls out of the atmosphere, Coach said Nick would hit in every single game for the rest of his career at YHC.
He only went on to win JUCO player of the year twice with two 100 RBI 20+HR seasons (50-60 games).
Micah’s done the same thing as a hitter in college and now in the MLB.
Lets trade for the friggin’ guy.
bravesfanforever
June 19th, 2009
1:04 pm
Chipperchop…
It really makes you wonder if G Anderson had it in his mind that this was going to be his last season and he was going to sign on with anyone who would pay him anything. A lot of people including me was shocked that he took such a low salary. He really took a huge pay cut. If the guy was supposedly such a professional hitter then shouldn’t he be hitting better than he is now?
But I don’t know. He is an interesting case. He’s had some pretty good second halfs the past 3 years and frankly it wouldn’t take much to rise above his .657 OPS and meet the .758 he posted last year. If that’s all we are expecting from him.
The point is whether or not we wait for him to post the numbers or get someone to replace him. I guess if 2009 is a lost year then forget it. Let him finish the season.
It’s just too bad that we can’t get more consistent production since we have so many others who are streaky. I did not expect him to be hitting like this at all. Looking at his stats, he comes across as someone who gets the hits consistently but apparently I was wrong. At 36 years old, you just never know what you are going to get.
I’d rather have Diaz in LF every day for the rest of the season. Bring up Brandon Jones for RF even though he hasn’t shown ANY power at all this season. Zero home runs??? What is that? That in itself is just as bizarre as half the players production on this team. But he could potentially hit .300 which is a lot more than what I can say for RF, LF, or 2B.
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 19th, 2009
1:10 pm
I read this morning that Glavine will not do anything baseball the rest of this year, but will look at 2010. I bet he is a coach in the Braves system next year.
TKO
June 19th, 2009
1:10 pm
I am tired of all the complaints involving Braves personnel decisions. The Braves have been and must continue to be run as a sports (business) franchise to be successful. A company (like General Motors) that does not look to the future and instead keeps sticking with the old product line ultimately will fail and either be shut down or be bought out at a huge discount.
Continuing along this line of thought I do feel sorry for the Flint, Michigan auto worker that loses his job, but if this decision is necessry for the future growth and vitality of the company it must be done. I really feel that General Motors past success was one of its biggest reasons for failure, they didn’t want to let go of the past.
As for the Braves do we dare compare Tom Glavine to the layed-off auto worker? The Braves glory days are over and if we want the team to play successfully in the City of Atlanta in the future then as fans we should support the tough decisions that must be made.
You might rather have a starting rotation the features Smoltz,Glavine,& Hampton(oops he’s on the dl again)… but for me I am glad we have, Lowe,Vasquez, & Kawakami. Are you wanting to go out and buy a 2009 Chevy Lumina or are you willing to wait for GM’s 2010 & 2011 line-up.
AndyC
June 19th, 2009
1:11 pm
DOB
I think I would gladly take 60’s and raining rather than 97 with a heat index over 100. It’s brutal out there today.
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 19th, 2009
1:11 pm
The Hall of Fame chooses the hat, not the player. They won’t put a Sox hat on Smoltzie’s bust.
Slugger www.theweeklyscene.com
June 19th, 2009
1:11 pm
Owings swing mechanics:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/31130/124442_reds_astros_baseball.jpg
Daslied
June 19th, 2009
1:12 pm
Wasn’t Tim Hudson also a good hitter in college? I can’t believe people are actually thinking we should trade our starting RFer and 2Ber, plus others, for a pitcher who only pitches well against us. And have him play the outfield? Even if the guy could do it, he’s not going to step in tomorrow and hit 20 homers and drive in 80 runs. He might set an error record, though…Frenchy would end up looking like Hank Aaron next to him.
Please step back into reality.
chipperchop
June 19th, 2009
1:12 pm
bravesfanforever,
I don’t want Garrett in the lineup if his negativity rubs off on others. Like you said send him and Frenchy packing, play Diaz and Jones. Neither Anderson or Frenchy is hitting with any power either, but at least with Diaz and Jones you have players who want to play everyday….I really can’t wait until our outfield is McClouth, Heyward, and Schafer, and our first baseman is Freddy Freeman.
scott
June 19th, 2009
1:12 pm
varodrunner … The HOF a few years ago decided that they would determine the team hat that the hall of famer wears. The player no longer has anything to do with it. This was done in part to prevent players from having incentive clauses in a contract… for example: “I’ll wear your hat in the HOF for a certain amount of money.”
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 19th, 2009
1:13 pm
“It’s brutal out there today.”
It’s brutaler (yes,I know) down here.