1:37 pm June 14, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
June 14th, 20095:14 pm
“…maybe you’d like to give ol’ Brian a couple shoves and see what happens”
All I need to do is wear a Victorino jersey and Brian will start crying.
Not again= you are right, it was Cox who wanted to trade Esco . Because of his temper last year. Now Cox is after him again. Cox needs to go , not Esco. Maybe Esco would play better with mgr with some fire in his ass.
June 14th, 20095:15 pm
instead of slamming frenchy the popular thing to do here it seems maybe the other corner outfielders performance or lack there of needs a look or two that is the laziest nevefr hudstling piece of crap ive ever seen wear a ml uni he is truly pathetic at least frenchy trys for all his shortcomings one can live with that loafs additude you cann not tolerate if you want the young players to try they see this crap and say why should i bust it i dident see unel make all thos boners and lack of hustle plays ladst year i think loaf additude are spreading like wild fire
June 14th, 20095:16 pm
“Good to see Alex White doin work. Sigh….”
I am fascinated that so many teams scouted him as a reliever and the team that drafted him has already said that’s what he will be.
I have this sinking feeling as well, that Yunel is not long for this organization, judging by the exasperated way Bobby was leaving him out to dry. I don’t hear teammates coming to his defense either. I guess we’ll see…I hope they do. Yunel, in spite of…is one of my favorite Braves. Dude has fire. I thought he was coachable as well. I hope we don’t trade him.
Shirtless Joe Buck
June 14th, 20095:17 pm
“…screw chip carey. Use boog full-time”
Before I agree to “screw chip carey and use boog full-time” I need to know one thing -
what does Boog look like without a shirt on?
June 14th, 20095:18 pm
“I thought we should have turned a double play in the first inning,” Cox said. “They get no runs. And wasn’t heads up on the rundown either. I don’t know. We pride ourselves on doing things right. And being in the game and don’t do things lackadaisically. I just felt we should have turned a double play easy. I’m not saying it cost us the game, but it cost us three runs in the first and you don’t know what’s going to happen in the second.”
For Bobby Cox, this is what qualifies as a code red.
“OK going to file a story online here before too long. be a friend and click there too?!!”
June 14th, 20095:19 pm
shirtless joe buck…what exactly is the point of all this closet homo talk? just come out of the closet already you guys, its ok…its the 21st century
7 – escobar deserves to catch crap for his play and his attitude. Yes he swings a good stick but that only carries him so far
June 14th, 20095:20 pm
the real Andy, let me put it this way. Since I’m not in the mood to argue with you, and you raise GREAT points, so I’m not going to argue.
I haven’t “given up” on the season. You are correct. It’s June. The 91 team came from 10 games back. The 93 team came from 10 or so games back. On and on, on and on.
The 91 team was a team on the rise. You could see it. You could feel it. While our pitching staff is MUCH improved from last year. Do you REALLY get the feeling that this lineup is “on the rise”? If you do, cool. But I don’t.
The 93 team had the previous two Cy Young award winners, and was coming off of two seasons of losing in the WS (when it took winning your division to get to the playoffs), they had a “track record” to go on that showed they could play. This team and core group does NOT.
Again. I haven’t given up on the season. Plenty of game left to turn it around. But based on what I’ve watched and listened to, add to what I’ve seen out of this core, along with the coaches, there isn’t much reason to get excited or be optimistic.
I thought McLouth would spark this team. He did. For three days. Now he seems to have had the life sucked right out of him from his new teammates.
So make no mistake. I’ll be right here, watching, listening and more importantly ROOTING for the Braves to succeed. Not only for this year, but also keeping a watchful eye/ear on who will and should be a part of this team for years to come.
But if this play continues, you can bet your ass I’ll STILL be here complaining about it. After all, last time I checked this “forum” was for people to talk about the Braves and how they’ve been playing. Not blindly root for them and ignore all things wrong with them.
But I apreciate your opinion and optimism. I just don’t share it at this point. Not for one second, do I have the “faith” that this group will get it figured out, like most of us did all those years that the Braves would start slow and then turn it on around this time of year.
This team can’t take 2 of 3 from the Orioles. This team can’t win 4 games in a row. How in the world do you expect them to just flick a switch and “get it”??
“42 IS THE NUMBER THAT BRAVES FANS SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.”
Actually, 3.5 is the number that Braves fans should be concerned about. That’s how far we are out of the playoffs at the moment. With the pitching we have this season, this team is in better shape than a lot of folks think.
June 14th, 20095:22 pm
Good call Edward–Sox have absolute garbage at short.
Amen, and Amen. Division is something we can forget about. WC is totally winnable.
June 14th, 20095:23 pm
I’ll give Lowe a pass because he’s been great, but my goodness….how much more are we gonna have to watch this offense embarrass themselves and ourselves? It’s awful…Cy Bergesen today, Cy whoever the next game.
June 14th, 20095:24 pm
I’ll say this much about the Cox/Escobar situation…this has been building up for a while and today the cork popped off the bottle (so to speak). It’s not like Yunel just went blank today, he’s had a pretty bad week counting the late inning blunder against Pittsburgh and the numerous base-running miscues.
I’ll say this about Bobby Cox, he has always been loyal and professional about the way he handles stuff like this. He felt like it was time to take a stand and he did it. All you bloggers bashing Bobby about this, just think about how this could be handled if someone like Ozzie Guillen was the manager?
He’ll catch it from me if no one else…
we don’t do things lackadaisically, BS Bobby , what ball game you watching? Your team is lazy as he!!.
June 14th, 20095:25 pm
Ahahaha I love the New Era cap commercial that just played on FSS.
June 14th, 20095:27 pm
Once again,this team can’t hit on a regular basis, can’t bunt, can’t field, loses concentration on a regular basis. Cox is bound and determined to keep letting Moylan kill us in critical situations and won’t take him out until he gives up the lead and at least 3 runs. Chipper and Mac have finally worn down trying to carry this pathetic bunch.
The good news is that McLouth caught on to playing like a Beave real quick. We are done.
Found it on youtube..it reminds me of the blog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKIETSxZmOs
Rob (from SC)
Bobby Cox pulls Escobar, but Johnson didn’t catch any heat for his drop in Philly. Plain and Simple Bobby Cox has favorites.
June 14th, 20095:28 pm
God Bobby Cox is as dumb as I thought he was – I just don’t understand benching a guy on the merits he just pointed out and I can’t accept him throwing one guy under the bus. They’ve been trying to “shape” Escobar into a ball player that he want be – if its not his emotion its the way he throws his bat after getting a hit. I am so sick and tired of the BS. It’s time for Bobby’s @$$ to go! Get him out of here. There’s a time and a season for everything and its bout time for Bobby Cox to go! If he wont retire, fire his @$$ like we did Tom Glavine!
Dan, Ozzie is no Bobby, youre right. I completely disregard Ozzie because he is a clown. But Bobby was out of line, IMHO, to single Escy out to take one for the team. He should have at least said that its not just escy, its the whole team that needs to step it up. Then we can understand that yeah, Escy made some mistakes, he was benched, but its also symbolic of the whole team. I don’t like him being singled out there, and I get just as mad as anyone else, probably more mad than Bobby will ever get at Escobar
JC form UT
June 14th, 20095:29 pm
Would Boston give up Jed Lowerie and Justin Masterson for Yunel? Is this a reasonable deal? Could JF be included as well and we get one of their young outfielders back in return?
Rob (from SC): “Bobby Cox pulls Escobar, but Johnson didn’t catch any heat for his drop in Philly. Plain and Simple Bobby Cox has favorites”
Again, you wont see someone benched for making a physical error (KJ), but when the mental errors pile up, thats enough reason for a benching.
June 14th, 20095:30 pm
Went out of town today and missed the Braves game- good timing,huh?
Dan I don’t think most are bashing Bobby becuase of what he said about Escobar. I think most agree with what he did, they just have a problem with him being the only one punished for this type of play when others have made just as many “mental mistakes”. That’s the way I see it. Got no problem with the message he’s sending but I do have a problem with him not sending that same message to everyone on the team.
Bobby said he’s talked a lot to Esco since he’s been here. With the kind of numbers Esco is putting up, would the Braves consider trading him this season (he is one of our better hitters), depending on what they can get for him.
I would like to hear some opinions, thats all.
I love to watch shirtless men dancing.
Greeks. Italians. Africans. It’s all good.
June 14th, 20095:31 pm
With Philly’s pitching (they’re currently 25th in the majors in ERA), I don’t even see the division as out of reach. We would need much better hitting to make that run, though. My larger point is that for all of our offensive woes — and it’s been a nightmare — the moves we have made in recent years to secure the back of the bullpen and now our starting rotation have paid dividends.
What we need is for Kelly Johnson to return to form, Francoeur to be at least average (which he has been in June), and either McCann or Chipper to get hot. Whether that happens over the next six weeks is what determines whether we’re buyers or sellers.
June 14th, 20095:33 pm
Bobby is just jealous of Escobar.
Have you ever seen how good Yunel looks without a shirt? You’d be jealous too.
Not me though.
I’m sure they are definitely considering trading him at this point.
just think about how this could be handled if someone like Ozzie Guillen was the manager?
I sometimes wish we had Ozzie Guillen as a manager. Somebody needs to be chewing out Francoeur and KJ for continually making boneheaded plays at the plate.
As for Escobar…I don’t like benching a guy who makes mistakes with split-second decisions. Yea he’s made a bunch of mental errors, but benching isn’t going to help at all. Benching sends a message when it’s done for lack of hustle, continually swinging at the first pitch, etc.
June 14th, 20095:35 pm
The Braves are currently trailing the Giants, Mets, Cardinals, Cubs, Reds and Marlins in the wild-card standings. With a win today, the Rockies will also be ahead of the Braves.
I understand that some of you have the need to be positive, but if I told you that the Pirates were only a half-game behind the Braves after today, you’d say that the Pirates aren’t any good and don’t have a chance. Well, the standings are what they are. This is just my opinion, of course, but I believe that there’s no need for one to unnecessarily beat one’s chest over the chances for a ballclub that has not earned the right for one to be excited about it.
June 14th, 20095:36 pm
I’m a seller of shirts.
I’m a buyer of body lotion.
All right! Aaron Harang on Tuesday! That perks me up a little…
Gone Viral –
I’ll remember your name, come back after the Philadelphia series around July 2nd, and see if we are still 3.5 games back of a playoff spot. I’ll bet we are out twice that. Deal?
June 14th, 20095:37 pm
Shirtless Joe Buck, you can hide behind your screen name all you want, but you’re still the one typing the words.. there’s always some truth to every joke, all I’m sayin
This is the guys second full season. If he’s doing this during the 4th then by all means consider a trade, but at this point no way. You have a good, cheap shortstop who may very well change his attitude as he matures (i’ve seen it before) or he won’t. Unless he’s out there flying off the rocker like Milton Bradley you can afford to wait to see if he changes, especially when you consider the current state of our offense.
Chip Carey's Eyebrows
for those that forget and wanna make this about cox, escobar cost the braves a game with the pirates by falling asleep and letting the guy score from second, they lost 3-2
June 14th, 20095:38 pm
The Nats are breathing down our NICKS mates!
June 14th, 20095:39 pm
IMO it’s a mental mistake not to use 2 hands on a pop up…when you either don’t play the infield well…or are still learning. It’s a play that if he played in the OF he should have made. Now I don’t remember the days or the teams progress on these days. But there are other instances when players haven’t been benched.
Last year @ Wrigley, Glavine was pitching and had a rough 1st. A ball was hit in front of Jeff, that was catchable. Even Glavine seemed disappointed in his body language that it wasn’t caught. (Not after the game, but after the play).
KJ always seems to get benched/sat down, cause of hitting. Like he’s a GG 2nd baseman or something.
And We kept numerous pitchers going out there, day after day.. With lacks of focus but they were just throwing well and the other team was hitting well..yeah right.
The last time someone was benched was LaRoche…..he deserved that one. But Bobby didn’t throw him under the bus.
If Yunel can be thrown under for mental errors. Then why can’t guys who are hitting under .250 be put there too?
June 14th, 20095:40 pm
Baseball should be like pick-up basketball: shirts versus skins.
I would always secretly root for the skins.
Chip Carey’s Eyebrows
Diaz also cost us a run by over sliding 2nd base.
June 14th, 20095:41 pm
Not that this is an acceptable excuse and not to say that the Braves are a good team, but the Orioles are not a bad team. Remember, they play in by far the best division in baseball. They’d be leading the NL East right now if they played in it.
And why in the blue hell are the Braves acquiring John Halama???Oh yeah, Ohman aint here no more!!!
Nate The GR8
June 14th, 20095:43 pm
I saw MFIN was running his grimy, slimy, negative tone mouth earlier. What I would do to strangle that little weasel.
I will to an extinct say maybe Kelly missing a pop up isn’t the same. Well it isn’t..but you can still be put on the bench the next day, get called out and what not. It doesn’t matter what play it is, you don’t make it and cost a game, you should get called out. It’s not okay. If Yunel had dropped that pop up in that game, I’d expect him to be benched.
June 14th, 20095:44 pm
Oh is that so Chip? Bobby’s usually yelling for guys to get back to first and to get a hit or take it easy going to first but why didn’t he yell — HOME HOME — if a man was stealing home while his short stop had his back turned to the play. Could it have been because Bobby fell asleep on the play picking his nose in the dugout???? Kinda strange that nobody on the team even shouted that the runner was braking home – not one indication from a teammate. Again, just more of a guy thats not a “golden boy” being singled out for something that’s not fully his fault.
June 14th, 20095:45 pm
“Shirtless Joe Buck, you can hide behind your screen name all you want, but you’re still the one typing the words.. there’s always some truth to every joke, all I’m sayin..”
Hey! I’m Joe Buck and I’m not joking.
Admit it, you like the image of me, shirtless.
“And why in the blue hell are the Braves acquiring John Halama???Oh yeah, Ohman aint here no more!!!” (Joebrave)
To take the place of one of the 3 starters that recently vacated the Gwinnett rotation. Nothing of significance and nothing to do with the big club.
June 14th, 20095:47 pm
“I’ll bet we are out twice that. Deal?” — The Truth
Sure. How about loser names winner’s sig on this board for a week?
“for those that forget and wanna make this about cox, escobar cost the braves a game with the pirates by falling asleep and letting the guy score from second, they lost 3-2″
And Chipper cost us a game against the Rockies when we were trailing 2-1 in the 9th when he threw away a DP ball. And KJ cost a game in ARZ when he dropped a DP ball and din’t get one out when we were tied 1-1 and it led to 4 runs for the D-backs that inning. The Braves as a team has singlehandedly thrown away quite a few games this year. Whats your point?
June 14th, 20095:51 pm
Interested stat mentioned in the game today – 11 major league players have hit more home runs individually than the entire Braves outfield combined.
Well Escobar spoke this time….everyone HAPPY?
June 14th, 20095:52 pm
I just don’t trust those Latino ballplayers.
June 14th, 20095:54 pm
sell the team, move it Vegas, there end of discussion we packed it in..you all dont like them that much it seems. no faith what so ever
June 14th, 20095:55 pm
I was just being sarcastic about KJs fielding excellence.
McFann – it’ll be Cy Harang on Tuesday.
Yunel should walk into Cox’s Office and slap Ol Donk on his damn Ears!!!
June 14th, 20095:56 pm
What is Yunel’s favorite phrase for describing Bobby Cox?
June 14th, 20095:57 pm
I have to agree with everything Shirtless Joe Buck said.
JoeBrave is right, too: Cox shouldn’t be going through the media with Escobar. If he does, then that rule should apply to the whole team.
Btw, did anyone see TWIB this week? How did Francoeur get interviewed and acknowledged by Cox as a leader of the team?
June 14th, 20095:58 pm
He sighed and said: “I’ve talked to him an awful lot since he’s been here.” – COX
Dont be surprised by a trade involving Yunel………
June 14th, 20095:59 pm
You guys trashing Cox are clueless. Escobar has had at least 8 mental mistakes in the last week. Did he get benched after the first? The 2nd? The 3rd? Comparing Escobar’s brain dead plays of the last couple of weeks to one dropped pop-up for KJ is redick…
I think many fans feel that this is a losing team in ability and attitude as well. No hustle and a give up attitude. It seems to be all about me rather than team.
The best thing about all those Brave’s division championships:
Getting to see Ron Gant in the lockerroom, shirtless, and dripping with champagne.
June 14th, 20096:00 pm
As bad as it seems now, I wouldn’t be surprised to see an 8-4 stretch against BOS/NY/PHI. They all have pitching issues, and for some reason we play well against good teams.
Of course, we’d probably get swept by the Nats in the next series…
I fear Bobby Cox has shown us that he does not understand or appreciate Latin players. First Andruw, now Yunel. How about equal treatment of benchings for Johnson or Francoeur. Yet another example of the fact that Bobby Cox is too old for the modern game and its diversity of players and nationalities. I am hot to sure Cox really wants KK on this team being that he is Japanese. I think Cox needs to go and we need a modern manager.
June 14th, 20096:03 pm
Yo no entiendo lo que Cox me dice.
June 14th, 20096:04 pm
And how exactly are we gonna win those 4 games? Is our slugger already on his way?
June 14th, 20096:05 pm
Poor Bobby can’t win.
He pulls a guy who has been making some stupid mistakes. He gets ripped for it. I thought he made the right move. I’ll make no bones about the fact that I’ve wanted Bobby out for a while, but when he actually does something I want him to do, how can I complain? I guess I’m just halfway reasonable.
June 14th, 20096:06 pm
Chipper on the Escobar benching….and he was referring to Andruw….“Bobby obviously thought it was the right thing to do. I’ve seen him to do it to other players before to send a message. Hopefully the guy gets it.”
June 14th, 20096:07 pm
I don’t trust Japanese ballplayers. Eating raw fish is one step away from performing abortions.
More like wed be lucky if we went 4-8 against those teams
June 14th, 20096:08 pm
I Vote Vegas or Virgina Beach new hot spots for sports!!!! here we come!!
I agree with everything Esco had to say and I’m happy he spoke up this time and Jason maybe you are the clueless one. The dropped pop up is the only mistake KJ has made. He bothced a DP today and in another game in this series let a ball go to the outfield that the me and the announcers and i’m sure many others felt he should have gotten to easily. I defended KJ on that popup as I feel he makes that play 99.9 percent of the time. Be honest and don’t be biased. Most of Escobar’s fielding mistakes have come lately so its easy to forget that KJ has booted quite a many balls himself.
One thing I forgot from the post game interview with Cox:
When discussing the lack of offense, Bobby said when you fall behind 10-0, its hard to score because “you can’t bunt, can’t hit-and-run, can’t steal.”
I had to laugh cause we NEVER do any of those things! (excluding our pitchers)
June 14th, 20096:09 pm
We suck balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Losing 2 of 3 from a last place team??? We are a 500 hundred team at best.
Watching everything from another angle…………..its shouldnt be so hard for us to get into the playoffs………… 30- 32 record………….100 games to go………. a 55 and 45 record might get us in……………a 60-40 record might get us the division title.
The team is a cluster-f*u*c*k
June 14th, 20096:10 pm
What’s a 500 hundred team?
June 14th, 20096:12 pm
You can stick a FORK in your braves, because they are done. GO YANKEES!
Carroll Rogers, I thought Andruw was benched for a play on defense, not on the basepaths.
Eh, ya never know…
June 14th, 20096:15 pm
Last Saturday night, Esco gets thrown out at second on a single by McLouth. The same game, he flips the bat, almost hits the ump, ticks the ump off. This week, he argues a third strike call claiming he tipped the ball, replay shows he wasn’t within six inches of the ball. Last night, he argues call at first because the first baseman was pulled off the bag. He wasn’t.
He goes to sleep against the Pirates and lets a run score from third. He goes to sleep today and lets a run score from third. He’s made no fewer than a half dozen baserunning mistakes this year that cost the Braves.
Use all the examples of KJ doing this or Diaz doing that or Chipper doing something. These guys pull boners, but not multiple times every week.
Esco is a hitting machine with a 10 cent head. It’s either reign him in, get his attention, get rid of some of the hotdog, or ship his Azz somewhere else! Guys like him get some slack when they are winning, when they aren’t winning, they aren’t as cute! I don’t want to watch a dumb hotdog no matter how well he hits if I’m having to watch him on a losing team!
McFann was probably in fourth or fifth grade when Andruw got pulled from that game.
Carroll, It was LaRoche that was benched for his basepath blunder, not Andruw
rob from sc
June 14th, 20096:16 pm
Chipper has messed up a lot on defense this year, Kelly Johnson and Jeff Francoeur are hitting .240. Yet nothing happens to them. I really hope Bobby Cox’s job is on the line. I think Escobar should call Cox out for his continuing use of Moylqan and Bennett in close games.
jokes, turn on the team cause of 2 bad games…i still say Vegas would be better for them.
June 14th, 20096:18 pm
Escodog : ” hotdogs…boners…six inches…”
Andruw was benched for not hustling on defense on a ball hit to center. (think it had been building up, just like the Escobar thing)
June 14th, 20096:19 pm
Pathetic is the nicest thing I can say about the Braves.
Matt Cain is awesome
June 14th, 20096:20 pm
Today: complete game, 4 hitter, 9 strikeouts, 1 earned run.
Season: 9 – 1 and a 2.39 ERA.
All Star. Cy Young!
OMG, things are getting so bad that even our executives are having seizures………..not good.
Why dont we move Ross to 1B, call Clint up to backup Mc and trade CK, JF and JoJo for a good RF?
June 14th, 20096:21 pm
I hoped so
Hey smart one he argued with the ump that he DIDN’T hit the ball…not that he did. He just didn’t realize the 3rd base ump called him out.
And for Kelly and Jeff..it shouldn’t matter if it’s in one week or 3 months…you should get benched for not either being heads up, continuously not getting better, and what not.
Now Bobby shouldn’t come out and say they stink, but you can’t tell me it would hurt this team if they put someone out there at 2nd and in left for awhile. The team certainly can’t be worse without them.
June 14th, 20096:22 pm
rob from sc
There’s a difference in Escobar’s defense and Chipper’s. But if we are going to put players in our lineup that would be back ups on other teams, we ain’t gonna win.
June 14th, 20096:23 pm
“McFann was probably in fourth or fifth grade when Andruw got pulled from that game”
McFann is still in the fourth grade.
June 14th, 20096:24 pm
Esco does play better D than Chipper
Does anyone think this is Bobby Cox’s last season.
I hope so.
June 14th, 20096:26 pm
Guess I’m old school.
I still believe in retaliation if their pitcher throws at your guy. I believe in trotting around the bases directly after a homer. I don’t believe in standing at the plate and admiring a homer as it sails into the seats. I don’t like the pitcher pointing and shouting after he strikes someone out.
I’m probably in the minority, but if I want to see hotdogs, I’ll watch the NFL and NBA. I’ll watch T.O. and LaBron.
I loved it when Carlton Fisk got in Deon Sanders face and told him he wasn’t in the NFL, he was playing Major League Baseball now.
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