1:37 pm June 14, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
June 14th, 20094:15 pm
Let’s go Magic
wow- I hope that didn’t come out sounding sarcastic…I certainly didn’t mean it like that!
June 14th, 20094:16 pm
I found this quote from Jeff to be rather “telling” in just how out of touch with the reality of a baseball team he is:
“They have to mix and match what they want to do financially. I’m not sure if I’m in those plans or not. I’m just going to keep playing and keep doing what I do.”
Really? He thinks the possibility of himself being traded is FINACIALLY motivated? Wow. Unreal.
As for the last line of his quote? You just keep on doin’ that Jeff. Fast track yourself out of town by “doing what you do”.
Thats because KJ has been taking groundballs…….thats the price for excellence with the glove at 2B. Dont ya think?
I saw it. The fact that I didn’t make fun of you means that it was ok. – Roman Gal
A Dizzy Nick Esasky
June 14th, 20094:17 pm
What would Skip have said at this point of the game……”all we need is a few grand slams and we’re right back in it….
If the score holds up and the Reds lose, they’ll have lost 4 in a row right before we’re to face them. Greatttt….
June 14th, 20094:18 pm
Dang…and I really thought we were going to come back and win.
Arguably only one game have we missed his bat in this streak. If Chipper went 5-5 in this game it wouldn’t do anything, considering the top of the lineup has only 0-7.
Pathetic, Another Pitcher we made look like Jim Palmer!!!
Welcome To 4th Place Boys, Bobby Needs to have a team Meeting NOW!!!
We need changes NOW!
having an ace(overpayed) with 4-something era will do that.
June 14th, 20094:19 pm
Comeon people, let’s pick up the pace! All this attention to Escobar is not part of the rules.
Let’s get back to the basics:
1. Fire Bobby Cox
2.Fire Terry Pendelton
3.Complain about Frenchie and then demand..a)a trade, b) send him down to the minors, or c)an outright release
4. Proclaim Tommy Hanson and Kris Medlen as extraordinary and pitching saviors.
5. Claim some prospect down in the system is the answer to some question.
6. Complain that the Braves didn’t sign Adam Dunn and if they had, they would be in first place.
7.Complain about Garret Anderson..a)lazy, b)waste of money, c)both a &b.
8. Proclaim the season is over.
Pick up the pace people we’re drifting off course. Now who’s for firing Cox and Pendelton?
Thanks! Nah, you’re fine. I knew you didn’t mean it that way.
Two homers for Ross? Dangit…
ah no but sorry…can’t field great…can;t hit great…
June 14th, 20094:20 pm
Speaking of announcers …Boog is to snarkey for me. He may be good or so Im told, but hes just cruising here (atl)till something better comes along.
Joe is Joe = nuff said.
The braves need to put an ad in the Paper:
“Can’t hit? Can’t field?….no problem.”
Tryouts @ Turner Field June 31st.
June 14th, 20094:21 pm
THWG: Just curious, but what simple fundamentals are you referring to in a rundown? I’ve always been taught, and have taught others, that you employ a rotation play. That is where you pursue the runner until he commits to the next base and then unload to the next guy so that he can apply the tag. The rotation play should never involve more than 3 defensive players and 2 tosses of the ball. There are times however when it is more complicated, but that usually means that one of the defensive players didn’t do something right. I will say that if at all possible, you should make sure that the runner doesn’t have the chance to advance a base.
You people stay on this kid no wonder he’s hittlg under 250. There are others hitting less and the Chosen one Chippie, don’t even play when his ear lobe hurts. Stupid undereducated fans.
June 14th, 20094:22 pm
I would love to see Chip Caray and Joe Buck partner up. Chip and Buck, oh man would that be good. Their talented tongues would playfully tease each other into a kind of verbal ecstasy.
just fire WREN
What Tomahawkin said.
Time to start slingin’ sh*t!
…and we have a whole day off to do it too. I wish that would only happen.
The Braves have no more money to make any trades, whatsoever. We are stuck with what we have. This team was supposed to be so much more fun to watch than last year, but are just as bad this year. Not only is it not fun to watch other teams take BP off of us, but we are well on our way to another losing season. Just wait until we have to play the Yankees, BoSox and Philly. If the Orioles are able to hand it to us like this, these teams will massacre us!!
June 14th, 20094:24 pm
5 Hits And 2 of those by D-Ross who came in the game as a defensive replacement, Unreal!
the real Andy
well, on the bright side, at least we get a few days rest for Soriano and Gonzalez – both on pace for career highs in appearances and innings, with a history of arm trouble.
Stupid undereducated fans.
John Radney, you’re on the fast track to making tons of friends here on the blog…
June 14th, 20094:25 pm
Well one thing could be said….Andruw got benched for not catching a ball in the outfield…Yunel got benched for numerous things…..but good ole KJ got nothing for that dropped pop up.
Just saw BMac’s single…dangit! That was not a pretty slide…
can’t believe i’m actually on this blog, but it’s pretty cool i guess. braves flat out stink and as a phillies fan i’m excited that we’re in this division. mets are decent, much better than you’re team but we are the best, obviously. hey i got my predictions for the east this year—1—phillies 2—mets 3—marlins 4—braves. braves were a great team but time has really bitten them badly. i’d be embarrassed if i were you fans of this joke team.
June 14th, 20094:26 pm
I’m just about with you at this point.
I noticed that quote as well. I hope he doesn’t keep “doing what he does.”
The replay of the rundown showed Lowe WAS covering first, so no excuse there. Still may not have made the tage before the run scored though.
Chip Caray and Joe Buck, you say? I wonder who would look better withou a shirt?
What would be really cool is if the air conditioning went out and they both had to share a steamy booth with their shirts off.
I can’t imagine the quotes we’ll get from today.
Actually, I don’t know that that one could really be called a “slide”…
Wish they weren’t off tomorrow. Ah well.
Id love to be a blind fly on the wall in the locker room today.
brian jordon on tv sucking up to bc for taking esco out of game….but never does anything to jf’s lazy ass.
I’m Just Glad that ESCO Isn’t taking a huge chunk of our payroll…
June 14th, 20094:27 pm
Chip Caray and Joe Buck, you say?
Doing what…the All-Star Game? If so, oh my…
Offseason Shopping List:
LF or CF( Move McLouth to LF)
Some Bullpen help (Acosta,Jeff Bennett,Carlyle,etc aint gettin ‘er done folks)
Get this team a couple of Power Guys( Holliday, Bay,Hawpe,Dye, Ordonez) and/or good complement players like Cust,spilborghs, Derosa and we may talk playoffs…things are ugly now…imagine when we face the Sox and Yanks+ the phils….the nail in the coffin for our powerless Braves.
i’d be embarrassed if i were you fans of this joke team.
Good grammar. Maybe you should worry about not embarrassing yourself before you worry about us being embarrassed about our team. Mmk, pumpkin?
June 14th, 20094:28 pm
lets fold the season right, sounds like all of you have given up anyways and want to pack it in..im just as disappointed as the next person and probably went off the handle a little bit in previous posts but the display today was bad, but its JUNE, not September we haven’t even hit the all-star break jeez, lay back if were sucking at the All-star break then start panicking a little, one game 11-2…we could be the Mets and losing 15-0..come on learn a little bit from past years from other teams IE the Phills, the Rockies..
Yeah, you’re phillies have NEVER sucked ……right?
Wow. Fickle Braves fans.
I hope that everyone who keeps saying “Braves are done. See you next year!” really stays away until next season. Y’all’s negativity is exhausting.
June 14th, 20094:29 pm
“well, on the bright side, at least we get a few days rest for Soriano and Gonzalez – both on pace for career highs in appearances and innings, with a history of arm trouble.”
Thinking the same thing. We don’t have a lot of blowout wins so they can’t rest then. Nice of D. Lowe and Moylan and EOF to think about that and give them the chance to rest and with an off day to boot. Gotta find something positive to take out of this.
it’s a shame we can’t get McCann and Ross in there at the same time every once in a while
June 14th, 20094:30 pm
Trade McCann, use Ross, better D and solid bat
Get another Allstar for Outfield, better off in long run
Again, when will Mr. Bradley surrender his political quest to be the most liked sports writer for the AJC and to get access to players and coaches parties and have the courage to question publically the poor managerial perfromance of Bobb Cox?
Mr. Bradley, okay, you have succeeded in getting many to like you but do you also value the respect of your readers and customers?
Dammit The Phillies Came Back from a 4-1 deficit and are in line to win…
Losses to AAA teams like the Orioles and The Pirates Hurt when we could’ve made up a lot of ground and now We Have Hit ROCKBOTTOM…
He did cover first but in terms of covering on time…NO….but nonetheless a lesson was learned today…to bad we can’t do that with TP
Marko—what, you so happy you won game against boston?
One day Tim McCarver will have to retire. Maybe then, Brian McCann can replace him as Joe Buck’s redneck, ex-catcher sidekick.
June 14th, 20094:33 pm
So we’ll likely be 6.5 games out after today. We can give up, or we can root to turn it around this coming week. I’ll be doing the latter.
Dropping in the standings like a rock just don’t sit to well with Braves fans!!!
Did ya’ll know that David Ortiz is having a rough year?
I’m Curious To see Carroll Rogers Interview Report of Booby C…
We Need Another Hitting coach and Another OF Bat NOW…
Its Safe To Say that we are last in the Majors as far as Outfield Production is concerned, Excluding Nate-Dawg…
Our Production from our Corner Outfielders has to rank last In Baseball…
o please!! “good grammer” isn’t giving your crappy team any luck now is it?? oh and i’m talking present not the past you freakin losers! GOD the braves suck so bad and you guys type all day on this pitiful team!! that is not only halarious but very sad!! get a life and root for a good team. heck, even a decent team but not a team managed by a booger picker, old man crippled chipper and the worst outfielder in the majors frencoeur. 4th place is what you losers will be tasting from that terrible AAA team put out there every day. good luck, you definitely need it!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH
June 14th, 20094:34 pm
Noticed the JF quotes as well and my first thought was just how out of touch he sounds. The fact that he actually believes he should be on ANY teams major league roster, and get paid a multi-million dollar contract for his level of suckiness just baffles me. He is beyond scuffling in his career and I think his ego is just mind-blocking him from that fact or something.
“Big Sloppy” Is off the Stuff Now Hence the Drop in Production…
Keep spreading the message. Maybe they will hear us.
Like I says before. The team will be better for it next year. Bullpen and a new outfielder can be the priority this offseason. We have the pitching. Might need a new second sacker and short stop too though, because no one likes Escobar and kj isn’t very good.
The players you keep:
Everybdy else should be available in trade talks, even Yunel and the 8 year old looking kid in the pen.
I say trade Yuni to the Red Sox for that Lowrie and Buchholtz kids.
June 14th, 20094:35 pm
Relax Chief. We “true” fans know that we’re bad right now. I don’t think the mainstay of us is ready to throw the towel in just yet.
Couple of changes here and there…..ya never know.
Joe Simpson’s out his d### mind. I’ve had enough of him too. Seriously, I can’t figure how anyone whose played the game can say Yunel was in the wrong – he’d have to be superman to tag that guy out. When does Infante get back so we can move that bum KJ back to the bench where he belongs
there is a reason I am not a GM but if I were Frank Wren I would
1. Fire Terry Pendleton
2. Trade Yunel Escobar for Clay Buchholz (main parts of a package and this is a huge IF Epstein is willing to listen – chances are he will not).
3. If we could obtai Clay Buchholz then deal Vazquez for a significant bat and prospects
Future rotation under contract for years is Lowe, Jurrjens, Hanson, Buchholz, Medlen. We will also have Hudson for one more year and Kawakami for 2 more years in all probability
June 14th, 20094:36 pm
Aren’t you ready to admit yet, that the Braves are in an irreversible state of decline and decay?
Don’t be afraid, it happens to all living things, eventually.
This team has to be rebuilt. If Chipper’s going to the playoffs again its’ going to be as a 39 or 40 year-old. It’s not happening this year, and it’s doubtful for ‘10.
At what point do you stop selling out to win? Wren didn’t address the OF situation in the offseason and it’s biting him in the ass now. Every player that had to turn the right way for this team to be successful this year has turned the other way.
Johnson isn’t really making a case to be the every day 2B for the future, Frenchy is on his way out of town, and Escobar though his bat is alive, is in Cox’s doghouse for repeated mental errors.
And to make matters worse Schafer couldn’t even hold his own in Center so you still don’t know if you have anything there.
It’s a good pen and high quality starting rotation, but this dream that we’re one bat away from contending is laughable. We’re a few away. It won’t happen, but Wren needs to pack it in soon. By the end of this brutal stretch of games if we’re status quo or worse, they have to deal Vas for the best prospect they can get.
And you’d be surprised what a team in contention would do. Vas to Texas for a big prospect could happen. How likely is it, probably not very, but in this economy, the money a playoff run would bring could help such a trade.
And for Atlanta…if we’re buried by the deadline they need to deal a few players for prospects.
the Truth…why dont you learn the TRUTH about the names of our players, you donk. Heyward, Freeman
June 14th, 20094:37 pm
Larry, Mark and DOB question the boss the same way. Noboby wants to get Bobby hot, never question his moves. He may kick them out!
Uhh..yeah..it’s like one of the biggest wonders of baseball this year.
Don’t hurt yourself, sweetie. If you’re so worried about us rooting for bad teams, how is it that you’ve managed to cheer for the first team to 10,000 losses?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH BRINGING BRANDON JONES UP FOR FRANCOUER. OLD BOBBY JUST LOVES JEFF SO MUCH!!!!!
June 14th, 20094:38 pm
Carroll, it’s “faze”, not phase. Phase is something you go through. Faze is something that Frenchy says it does not do to him, but you know it does.
I want to hear more about a shirtless Joe Buck. Is he sweaty?
Obviously. But, I’m just gonna go ahead and tell ya’ll that he walked today. So, don’t get your hopes up or anything.
June 14th, 20094:39 pm
Bobby’s “message” to Escobar is the FIRST sign that Bobby feels the heat; and frankly, he NEEDS to feel ‘heat.’ NO disrespect to Carroll or DOB, but the Atlanta sports media aren’t “blood-hungry,” but it’s time for the sharks to start circling the waters.
It’d be nice to see Cox questioned thoroughly; I realize the beat writers have to tread delicately, but SOMEBODY has to question why any MLB manager would waste the two-headed closer on Friday when they weren’t really needed in a 7-2 game, only to have them not available in a 4-2 turned 8-4 smack-down. Atlanta’s not NYC, but you know ther’s not a manager who’d survive a weekend of scrutiny had that been a Mets or Yanks manager; hell IMAGINE the struggles of Francoeur last season and what the NY media would’ve done to a manager continually trotting him out there.
I’m not upset they lost today; hell, Lowe sucked and we ran into (again, another) rookie pitcher who stifled us (a long-standing Braves tradition vs. rookie starters). I’m MORE upset we lost 2 of 3 to a team that had been averaging 1.8 runs per game this month (before our 17-1 graciousness the past 12 innings). I’m MORE upset we SHOULD have won 2 of 3 were the bullpen not mishandled
So as the Phillies hold on and beat the Red Sox today, we’ll find ourselvs 6.5 GB when it SHOULD have been 5.5. But this pattern has been showing itself all season, and truth be told, a better managed bullpen probably has a handful less blown leads. That Philly meltdown comes to mind, eh?
I just don’t see MY Braves being managed by a guy with his skills as sharp as they need to be.
I question him, I question a pitching coach who doesn’t say “uh, Bobby, we’re up by 5 – why don’t we save ‘em tonight in case we might REALLY need ‘em tomorrow?” I question a hitting coach who can’t fix Francoeur when the Rangers’ hitting coach apparently did over the offseason, too.
Regime change is needed, but this organization doesn’t “do” that – especially mid-season. The Cubs fired THEIR hitting coach – see, they believe they should be contending, and righ now, they’re not. The Braves, too, for some reason, believe they should be contending, and nobody’s being called to task. Why not?
I really dont understand why you all are freakin over our hitting woes this year. Did any of you watch this team last year? Uh…batting avgs are the same. Does anyone not remember that we lost the most 1 run games in Major League history?
And Nate mcSouth? — more of the same.
This great pitching staff is great but they are gonna want outta here fast. And no real hitter(one that cares about winning championships and not just a paycheck)would want to come here.
June 14th, 20094:40 pm
The Bird and Indian (June 14th, 2009 1:20 pm) –
Earlier I thanked you for the props — I thoughtlessly failed to mention that Mr. Enigma (June 13th, 2009 10:01 pm), Brooklyn Braves Brawler (June 13th, 2009 10:01 pm), AndyC (June 13th, 2009 10:03 pm) and Jake W (June 13th, 2009 10:11 pm) also made similar comments prior to my own.
Props to them, as well.
WHAT?? THEY CALLED THAT A STEAL OF HOME??
Well, fine. That’s just FINE! Thanks a lot, Escobar! Now that shows up in BMac’s defensive stats and goes against him, not you. Thanks a heck of a lot.
Nitwit. He coulda tagged that guy…he botches more CS opportunities than anybody on the planet it seems like.
“I hope that everyone who keeps saying “Braves are done. See you next year!” really stays away until next season. Y’all’s negativity is exhausting.” SCJ
Would you prefer that the blog and the world be viewed through the rose-colored glasses that you apparently wear? How boring would that be?
This is a Braves blog, written by two writers that COVER the Braves. The team is under .500 (an arean they’ve been hovering around for YEARS), and we’re all just supposed to say “Aaaww SHUCKS. What a crap shoot! We’ll get em’ next time”??
No thanks. Like always, I’ll praise them when they play well (about half the time), and rip the hell out of them when they perform like they did today (which the unfortunately do about half the time as well).
Don’t call me negative, because I wasn’t sold on this team competing in February. That sounds like more of a “you” problem, than you care to admit to.
I will admit, the people that rant off who should get fired, who sucks, this that and the other, get a little tiring.
Earlier today, I suggested that it might be TP’s time to “go”. Not because he “sucks” or he’s worthless, or that he’s never gonna help anybody. But because time is ticking on this season and SOMETHING has to be done.
The Cubs hit .278 last year, there highest mark in years. Did Perry all of the sudden just forget how to be a hitting coach? Nope. But the Cubs’ ownership/management isn’t going to twiddle their thumbs while the days fall off the calendar. They felt something had to be done and their hitters needed a “new voice”. So they made a move. It might work. It might not. But in their eyes doing NOTHING seemed silly and pointless.
We could only be so lucky.
I don’t wish harm upon Jeff Francoeur or any of the other under-achieving Braves hitters this year. I just wish they’d “do what they do” on another team. If Wren can find anybody silly enough to take them (but if the Marlins don’t want Jeff – who’s gonna?).
But don’t knock on some of us for saying the season is over. Because it’s not a harsh reaction to recent play. Some of us thought that this season was “over” before it started, and the focus should have been, (and still should be) on the 2010 season.
If the season suddenly turns around, and the Braves make the playoffs, I’ll apologize to having wasted your “blog minutes” by reading something you call negative. But I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen. You might get “Wrenned”.
Are they doing the post-game show today?
June 14th, 20094:41 pm
Philly fan, get a life. I mean if we suck, why are you wasting your time here. I know, you know your teams not going to repeat so you’re getting in all your licks why you still can.
Nobody likes Escobar, then why did Chipper get pissed in the offseason when he thought they were going to trade the guy. Since its a popularity contest, Jeff Franceour for ALL-STAR!!!
D. Lowe didn’t have it today and bullpen did not have it last night. Rare series that the pitching was actually to blame for the losses.
Does anybody know how Tyler Flowers has been doing for the White Sox minor league team?
why dont we all just sit back take a breather and quit the firing mobile..we need stability not radical changes..plus our problems are a result of the Tex trade period..Andrus is a stud and so is the pitcher too, his name escapes me right now..plus Salty would be huge at 1st. there our problem is figured out, we sold our future for a short term loan..
I have really been asking myself what is different with the Braves in the last several years. The conclusion that I have arrived at is nothing. They STILL count on great pitching, solid defense and timely hitting. The problem is that they don’t have GREAT pitching, they have GOOD pitching. They don’t have SOLID defense, they have subpar defense. They don’t have TIMELY hitting, they have very little hitting. Chipper Jones chirped about this team being no good if he and Brian McCann go 0-for-4 and promptly went 0-for-THE SERIES. This team needs changes that will shake it to its core. That have such a lukewarm attitude. They don’t need a pat on the back, they need a kick in the pants.
June 14th, 20094:42 pm
You heard it here first…trade Escobar and Frenchy for Jason Bay and a prospect. Then trade Kelly Johnson and Kris Medlen for DeRosa. I think we can live with Diory Hernandez at SS the rest of this season…here would be the lineup.
How about this: A shirtless Joe Buck, but doing a spanish language broadcast. Arriba!
Well then I wasn’t referring to you. It shouldn’t have bothered you if you aren’t one of the ones saying that. Right?
June 14th, 20094:43 pm
Roman Gal—-talkin present, not the past, “sweetie”! the braves have a cluster of priblems and it starts with cox—–he’s lost his fire and passion i believe. i used to watch his team through the 90’s and that fire he had has almost completely burned out. your hitting coach isn’t doing something because inconsistancy usually means bad coaching from the guy that is supposed to keep them in check. the young talent that is there is going to waste because of bad fundamentals and even worse coaching.
Enter your comments here
We should trade Yunel, because he’s obviously not appreciated… You can only make mistakes if you are from Georgia evidentially…ahem..
I am so tired of fans saying one more bat or one more arm and this team will get to the playoffs. For what? So they can get knocked out in the first round – again?
Until they bite the bullet, admit this team is not a contender and start the rebuilding process that other teams have done so well, the Braves will continue to decline.
Hanging onto past glories in the vain hope of somehow getting it back is pathetic – kind of like losing to a last place team 11 – 2.
It is long past time to shut it down, clean house and rebuild.
But my blood is boiling…
June 14th, 20094:44 pm
I wish Bennett would do something with DLowe’s hair.
These are the Frank Wren Braves … lifeless, punchless, unwatchable. I am not one to join the Bobby must go chorus but TP is an abject failure. They will win no more than 75 games.
Oh, and my theory on Chipper’s slump… he’s trying, I believe, to transition to being more of a “power bat” than he has been the last couple of seasons. I think Chipper feels the team needs another power bat, and I think he’s trying to “make” himself fit that mold. To me, the strikeouts are telling.
Flowers is having a really good year. He’s hitting .274, .427, .497, with a .924 OPS.
Folks, The Boston Red Sox are NOT going to trade Jason Bay for anyone!!! they are fighting for first place, hell even the Rockies are better off than the braves are…..
MarkO, you’re being vague… Tell us how you REALLY feel….
June 14th, 20094:45 pm
Jeez…Lowe’s not getting much defensive help, either, is he? Francoeur couldn’t catch that?
Not to mention guys that can’t even tag the guy in a run-down when he’s right in front of his freakin’ nose…
June 14th, 20094:46 pm
RHR- Agreed. It’s baaad!
Further to JF’s comments, he had the gall to compare a trade of himself with McLouth. Just the fact that he thinks being traded away from Atlanta would be anywhere even remotely comparable to what the Pirates felt when McLouth came here is just one more item in the long list of cluelessness that is JF.
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