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Braves73
June 14th, 2009
3:45 pm
Ok, I am not going to overreact to today’s poor outing by saying the Braves are done but I have growing concerns. My concern is over the lack of any type of team identity. I can’t quite pinpoint what we have in this team. The pitching that is supposed to be their stregth is ranking 7th or lower (in most NL catergories) and the hitting is 8th or worse (in the NL categories). I see good pieces on this team and also mismatched pieces that will probably be traded.
Another challenge with this team is that it does not fit Cox’s coaching style. Bobby has traditionally played for the three-run-homer and he does not have those type of players on this team. No team speed, no hit-run mentality, NO RUNS! He is not well suited for this team and Wren will either need to bring some thump in the lineup or consider a managerial overhall.
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
3:45 pm
How was that nap Manny?
uhhhh….Loaf #2
SOS
June 14th, 2009
3:45 pm
Eat a carrott Bobby. You fat SOB.
cabravesfan
June 14th, 2009
3:46 pm
Roman Gal-
won’t Tom be suprised
Duke
June 14th, 2009
3:46 pm
Some people may differ jake, but those people are stupid
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:46 pm
bravos2249-
I’m pretty sure Parr is on the DL. If he’s not, he’s at least been shut down because he’s hurt.
Necromancer
June 14th, 2009
3:46 pm
I surely hope Booger Cox retires…but, I sure hope to God that Pendleton is not named as manager.
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
3:47 pm
Wow……….JOHAN SANTANA just went from 3rd to 12th in ERA..just needed 3 innings to accomplish yet another meltdown by the muts.
joe
June 14th, 2009
3:47 pm
Somebody woke Acosta up?
THWG
June 14th, 2009
3:47 pm
That play in the second wasn’t Escobar’s fault. While I’m sick of Yunel’s boneheaded fielding, Bobby shouldn’t have benched him.
MFin04
June 14th, 2009
3:48 pm
Have to make some kind of coaching change. TP is the obvious one to go. He hasn’t faired well with any of the teams struggling hitters. They’ve only gotten worse. Frenchy and KJ are the prime examples of his wonderful coaching.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:48 pm
cab-
Yeah, probably…especially considering the email I used the other day. I sure fooled him, eh?
joe
June 14th, 2009
3:48 pm
Bobby might as well start sending runners left and right, can’t do much worse
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:49 pm
Who ever said blogging during the game wasn’t fun?
cabravesfan
June 14th, 2009
3:49 pm
Roman Gal-
Hey, for all we know, he’s a 90 year old woman from florida…
SOS
June 14th, 2009
3:50 pm
What has to happen for you to get fired? TP is awful, but continues here. What don’t we just put up an old mop in his spot and we would be better off.
Yunel
June 14th, 2009
3:50 pm
All I had to do was tag the runner. There were two outs in the inning. Andino wouldn’t have scored if I had tagged the runner. It’s my fault.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:50 pm
Kotchman is 0-2 with a run scored and an RBI.
joe
June 14th, 2009
3:50 pm
If Braves fire TP, I think Bobby will retire at the end of the season
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:51 pm
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-angels-rays12-2009jun12,0,694450.story
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
3:51 pm
Who ever said blogging during the game wasn’t fun? – Roman Gal
Roger that Ma’am.
A lot more fun if we are winning though.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:52 pm
cab-
Very true.
Barbaro
June 14th, 2009
3:52 pm
As a first baseman, I should NEVER chase a runner TOWARD second base. Simple baseball IQ.
Roja
June 14th, 2009
3:52 pm
Better percentage than Lowe’s – I’ll give you that but we aren’t paying Medlen $15 million this year either!
Random
June 14th, 2009
3:52 pm
The Bird and Indian (June 14th, 2009 1:20 pm) –
Thanks for the props.
Later, dude.
Carroll Rogers
June 14th, 2009
3:53 pm
this is one of those days i’m glad i don’t ride the charter….
who’s fault was it, there THWG?
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:53 pm
Roman Gal
Oh I thought he just got sent down.
Is Buddy still going bad…I know he has diabetes…but his 15 days have been up for awhile.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:54 pm
So much for Heyward playing this weekend.
Justafan
June 14th, 2009
3:54 pm
Man its great to have two bloggers with above average baseball IQ’s on DOB’s stage. ajbraves and Duke believe everyone has below average baseball IQ’s but them. Thank you Lord for giving us two great examples to lead us poor souls to better understand the game. Mental errows cannot be tolerated. Please forgive Esco as nobody else ever makes any mental mistakes. Even Bobby’s perfect.
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
3:55 pm
Ok Duke, nice to hear your professional analysis of the situation.
Moving on, I think KJ and/or Francoeur will not be back with this team next year. It will be interesting to see who we replace one or both with. Their seasons really have been a great disapointment to Mr. Wren. He counted on these guys to be more and they haven’t come through. I feel Wren will make the moves to make this a better team because he has shown already he isn’t afraid to do that. Very bad game today but once again when you play in our division which is heavily flawed you have a got a chance. 3 back in the wildcard and that is starting to look more likely than the dision but many games still to go. This rollercoaster tide continues.
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
3:55 pm
Joe…
AnyOne But Blow-Buck and McSlobber to call the All-Star Game!
IT Will be a Yankees Lovefest with those 2 calling the game…
cabravesfan
June 14th, 2009
3:55 pm
bravos2249-
Buddy’s still on the DL
Jerry Holcombe
June 14th, 2009
3:56 pm
This is really a pathetic team. There have been two steals of home this year, so far. I wonder when was the last time home was stolen on Atlanta? It’s been awhile. This is not a good team. This isn’t even a so-so team. It simply reeks. I’ve heard a number of you say that these little stretches of ineptitude will come back to haunt us come September. I disagree with your assumptions. I’ve said on a number of occasions that this is nothing better than a .500 team. Well, today I’m going to change that belief. We have some really good starters, but they are going to lose their edge soon. They are going to mentally begin to give up because they know that for all their hard work, they have a crew of lamers relieving them. They also know that their defense lapses at the most crucial of times. They know that their offense is not exactly the stuff that legends are made from. Quite the opposite. And lastly, they see hitting coaches and pitching coaches that don’t have a clue most of the time, and they are managed by a man that doesn’t insist that the players work harder to be better. You keep hearing how Bobby is the kind of manager that players like to play for. Why is that? Part of it has to do with the fact that Bobby doesn’t run a tight ship. It’s like a vacation for these guys. Some of you might ask, “Then how did the Braves win for 14 years?” I believe there are players that need very little prompting from their manager to play hard and try to better themselves. Those are the types of players that we had for a long time. Then there are players like Escobar, Johnson, etc. who have talent but don’t have their heads in the game all the time. This team is a team of underachievers from the top to the bottom. It’s not gonna get any better until the Braves tear it down and start over from scratch. I hate the idea of rebuilding, but I’m starting to get the idea that to hold onto some of these players and their large contracts is simply a waste of money. The Braves aren’t paying these guys to break even. They are being paid to win championships, and if the team can’t do that either now or in the future, then rebuilding is something that’ll have to be considered. I would start selling off assets right now while some of our guys have value to other teams. We should follow the example the Marlins and restock the minor league system with promising future stars. Okay, that’s it. You may begin your bashing of me and my thoughts.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:56 pm
bravos2249-
He did, but he’s on the DL for Gwinnett because of his elbow. That’s all I know.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:57 pm
Go Kelly.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:57 pm
I don’t like the Mets…but I have listened to Ron Darling….he’s pretty entertaining when calling a game….in fact the SNY crew is pretty good.
Joebrave
June 14th, 2009
3:57 pm
Time for a manager that will kick these guys in the ass!!!!!!!
Oh as for benching Escobar, he may lose his attention every now and then, be a little aloof, but he is the only player on this PATHETIC team that gives a damn, and shows a little fire, and passion!!!!
Oh!let me see , hmmmm, Bobby don’t like passionate players..Old B@stard!!!!
Bill M.
June 14th, 2009
3:57 pm
It’s time, no it’s past time to break this team up. The only ones I would keep is JJ, Hanson,Medlen,Lowe,McCann and Chipper. They have alot of good trading chips, so get busy Wren. I don’t like to throw in the towel early but that bunch is going nowhere.
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
3:58 pm
Geez my spelling is horrible. Thats a sign i’ve been on here to long.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:58 pm
cabravesfan
he got put on it May 26th….15 days was like Wednesday or Thursday…just wondering if he;s still not good. I know he’s got diabetes but was just wondering why he wasn’t activated….and he could be Tuesday i guess
SOS
June 14th, 2009
3:59 pm
Good post Jerry Holcombe. Right on it.
Necromancer
June 14th, 2009
3:59 pm
Tomahawkin
I was watching a Dodgers game the other day and they play pretty good music. I think some of the other stadiums, including Turner, or Tooner Field, use some kind of canned playlist.
I said something about this the other day….but, the Braves might hit better if they had a better music to get motivated by. I know it sounds kind of silly talking about music amping up an offense…but, in this case, I’m willing to consider all options.
Not again
June 14th, 2009
3:59 pm
“D. Ross just paddin’ his stats. hee hee…”
So is Frenchy, .250 and dropping. The guy that created “Frenchy” name, don’t want any part of this
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:59 pm
well at least it ain’t 15-0
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:59 pm
The only ones I would keep is JJ, Hanson,Medlen,Lowe,McCann and Chipper.
Surely we could package those 6 players for Jason Bay. Don’t you think?
joe
June 14th, 2009
3:59 pm
I’d rather hear the Mets announcers the Joe Phuck. Hes only slightly less of a blowhard then Chip Caray
Roja
June 14th, 2009
4:00 pm
Earlier this year a player stole home on the throw back to the pitcher. Don’t remember who it was or which teams other than neither team was the Braves.
THWG
June 14th, 2009
4:00 pm
Carroll- Barbaro’s fault. Simple baseball fundamentals of a rundown teach a first baseman to never ever ever chase a runner to the next base. While Yunel could have gotten the sure out, it wouldn’t have even been an issue had Barbaro immediately thrown the ball to second base.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 14th, 2009
4:00 pm
Kelly Johnson (OBP, SLG, OPS)
2007: .375 .457 .832
2008: .349 .446 .795
2009: .300 .399 .699
He is a career .268 hitter and that is WITH .236 average (coming in to today)
Jeff Francoeur (OBP, SLG, OPS)
2007: .338 .444 .782
2008: .294 .359 .653
2009: .286 .349 .635
Both of these players had some very obvious talent when they first came up…Kelly was even used in the 3-hole pretty regularly when Chipper was out because of his nice swing.
I can not imagine how so universal it is for these two players to get worse EVERY year in ALL of these categories over the SAME period of time. I think this further proves my point on how poor of a hitting coach TP really is.
Joebrave
June 14th, 2009
4:01 pm
There has to be a day of reckoning for this ineptitude!!! a 100mil payroll, and we get a below 500 team, poorly coached, no defense, busted arms everywhere, and an Old Fool that can’t manage!!!
cabravesfan
June 14th, 2009
4:01 pm
bravos2249-
I am assuming he needs some time to get his health right- he said he lost some weight and some energy before they figured out what was wrong with him…plus I think his neck (which was what originally put him on the DL) is still not 100%.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
4:01 pm
Jason Heyward and Cody Johnson have been named to the Carolina League all-star team.
joe
June 14th, 2009
4:02 pm
Home Depot becoming more involved with the Braves! maybe Blank will write L.Media a check
joe
June 14th, 2009
4:04 pm
blank could be the South’s version of the Boss
Roja
June 14th, 2009
4:04 pm
good start by Uh-Cost-Us
Joebrave
June 14th, 2009
4:04 pm
Liberty Media is recruiting the Home Depot cashiers for Spring Training!!!
chipperchop
June 14th, 2009
4:04 pm
Saw this on an Orioles message board? Any truth to this? was listening to sports talk radio from Atlanta today (790 The Zone), and Carroll Rogers from the Atlanta Journal Constitution was a guest on some Braves show. She was talking about Jordan Schafer being sent down to AAA. She said the Braves were looking for outfield help right now. She said not only one, but they would like to get a couple of outfielders. A caller asked her if the Braves were interested in trading for Matt Holliday. She said she wasn’t sure if the Braves have called about him, but she knows that the Braves have contacted the Orioles about Luke Scott and Felix Pie. She didn’t say if they have made an offer. She did say that the O’s aren’t asking much for Pie, and he can play CF for Atlanta right now. I didn’t hear what players or prospects were “trade chips”, but I wanted to share that with Orioles Hangout ASAP.
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Roja
June 14th, 2009
4:05 pm
Put Acosta at 2B or SS. He’s got a good glove.
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
4:05 pm
Braves Outscored 16-1 since the 7th Inning Diaster last night…Pathetic…!
Welcome to 4th place boys
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
4:06 pm
It’d be interesting to have Pete and Vin Scully
Paulding Paul
June 14th, 2009
4:06 pm
I can not imagine how so universal it is for these two players to get worse EVERY year in ALL of these categories over the SAME period of time. I think this further proves my point on how poor of a hitting coach TP really is.
Or the league has made adjustments and they aren’t as talented as the impression they made when first called up.
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
4:06 pm
Please delete my reply to Roman Gal…Carroll.
I was just trying to be nice, but she hates me ….for some reason.
Macho Mel
June 14th, 2009
4:06 pm
I’m hungry.
CAN ONE OF YOU GIRLS ON THIS BLOG COOK ME SOME EGGS?
I’ll be waiting here in front of the TV, reading my paper.
Thanks, hon.
Train Wreck Bystander
June 14th, 2009
4:07 pm
This team is in a first-class funk.
Not again
June 14th, 2009
4:07 pm
4.08ace
N8
June 14th, 2009
4:07 pm
Why is this season starting to feel like the late 80’s seasons did?
I can remember “suffering” through a whole game, just to see Dale Murphy’s AB’s (think Chipper), and was excited ONLY on the days that young Glavine and Smoltz pitched (think JJJ and Hanson).
Other than that, it’s just a crappy team not really worth watching. No, I’m not really forgetting about McCann, but since there is zero chance of him playing in 150+ games anytime soon, I just can’t bring myself to say that a person that only suits up for 80 percent of the games is that important of a cog.
Probably the best hitter on the team, (for sure the 2nd best – depending on your stance on Chipper). Yet we don’t find a way to get him in the lineup more than 4 out of 5 games. And management can’t put a “finger” on why this team hovers around .500?
When’s the fire sale start? Because for the 4th season in a row, this team formerly known as the Atlanta Braves (IE: America’s team), might as well rename themselves the Titanic. Because this ship is sinking and EVERYBODY can see it.
God help us if D-Low and Vazquez can’t “get it done”. We’re in trouble.
This lineup up is harder to watch/listen to than those late 80’s teams. Painful, to be honest.
Good for the Cubs firing Perry. A good baseball guy, and a pretty darn good hitter in his day. But as a fan, you’ve got to envy a team that isn’t willing to sit on it’s hands. SOMEBODY must be held accountable, unfortunately for Perry, it was him.
I like Hendry’s quote: “I think sometimes you need a new voice.”
How true. No offense TP. But it’s time to go. It’s too bad a team can’t fire the entire lineup. TP doesn’t deserve to take the rap for this sorry sac o’ sh!t that Wren calls an everyday lineup. But somebody NEEDS to. Sure is hell isn’t gonna be Bobby. TP just happens to be the next in line.
Necromancer
June 14th, 2009
4:07 pm
I wish Blank would buy the Braves. He would turn this team around!
Carroll, how much longer are the Braves saddled with the ownership of Liberty Media? I know there’s some law involved (unfortunately).
A Dizzy Nick Esasky
June 14th, 2009
4:07 pm
Wow! This season has been hard to watch. The back-up catcher has the same number of homeruns as the “Professional Hitter” and one less than the “Natural” and he only plays once every five days.
Jeff Francoeur 229 AB…..4 Hrs
Garret Anderson 138 AB…..3 Hrs
David Ross 69 AB…..3 Hrs
How does that reflect on the team’s offense? The starting pitching has been pretty good but someone needs to start leading this team and hit the ball.
Carol, what do you think about moving KK to the fifth spot and TH to the fourth slot? If KK pitched on a six man rotation in Japan, he may need more time off between starts.
It appears that Escobar may have been taken some lessons from T.Owens during the off season. If the Braves Front Office believes fans will come out to see this team’s poor performance in this economy, they are mistaken. If they want fans in the seats, they must doing something now before the All Star break before the Braves fall too far out.
Does anyone think TP is getting nervous?
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
4:07 pm
Mixxo-
What are you talking about?
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
4:08 pm
Paulding Paul
part of making adjustments…especially when they are young rides on how the pitching coach helps you as well
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
4:08 pm
Necromancer
The Music They Play At Chivez Ravine is always good assuming it was a dodgers home game…
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
4:08 pm
Boog doin’ “Hawk” Harrelson …..Funny!
“He gone!”
curtis jones
June 14th, 2009
4:09 pm
Random thoughts: we got beat by a bunch of Orioles’ scrubs and backups. Announcer said early today, “Adam Jones was scratched, that’s a break for the Braves. Yeah, it could have gotten ugly.
Acosta walking the leadoff batter in the 8th, down by ten runs. Unbelievable.
Does Loaf’s uniform ever get dirty?
Words of wisdom from HOF manager Cox, when he is being interviewed a few minutes after the game. “Well, you gotta tip your hat to the Orioles…” Tip this, Bobby.
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
4:10 pm
Come on Paulding Paul. You mean to tell me everyone who starts off good in the league doesn’t stay good. Now that just makes to much sense. Especially when you look at those iron clad stats.
Carroll Rogers
June 14th, 2009
4:10 pm
0-for-21 for chipper. i see not even this blog was enough to break that up
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
4:11 pm
Heath (Cleveland) ,
Do they really had talent? I know JF had a great start of his career, but you have to wonder how come we keep reading and hearing about this so called high talented guys from the farm and they all end up messed up.
JF——-KJ———–Langerhans——-Schafer——Davis———–James——Ramirez———Devine———that guy that was supposed to play 3b and ended up with the yankees———-salty——–thorman——and the list goes on…………boyer?
Talk about wasted talent……….something is not right………..are they talking higher about these prospects than what they really are? Do they go rotten while under Cox? Im not sure what its wrong, but it has to change pretty soon, cause if not……….get prepared to watch yunel (he already started), Medlen, Schafer (already started) and Hanson go down the drain just like all the others I mentioned.
Dungeness
June 14th, 2009
4:11 pm
Trade all of them (Braves) and bring Roller Derby to Turner Field. I could much better enjoy watching any sport where the players aren’t grossly overpaid spoiled brats with drug habits to support.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
4:11 pm
If it brings to my memory..Chipper didn’t have much power last year cause he swung his “left” handed bat right handed as well?
But that don’t help now.
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
4:11 pm
Roman Gal
The “fun on the blog” acknowledgment. Maybe you missed it.
I’ll admit though, I wasn’t exactly blessed with any ground-breaking literary skillz.
Not again
June 14th, 2009
4:11 pm
good job chip=after that o-fer comment you made, you are O-FER
while Ross rakes ‘em
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
4:11 pm
Wow D. Ross the only one that can hit this guy.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
4:12 pm
Wow…
Too bad these don’t really mean anything.
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
4:12 pm
D-Rosss!!!!
Man He was The Only one Who showed Up today…The Rest of the Team Played as if they were Hungover!!!
David Ross
June 14th, 2009
4:12 pm
Hit me some o’ them Tex HRs today.
A Dizzy Nick Esasky
June 14th, 2009
4:12 pm
Maybe Ross should coach Frenchy
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
4:12 pm
A crooked number!!!!
Have a day Ross.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 14th, 2009
4:12 pm
Paulding Paul -
Maybe…but when you combine that with the fact that our two best hitters don’t work with TP for hitting help…and JF knew he had to look elsewhere for help this past offseason…you still think that it wouldn’t be worth looking in to having someone else brought in? I like to be optimistic too…but…does TP have nude pics of you or something?
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
4:12 pm
Another HR for Ross………….How about paying him at 1B. Bobby you have to be like LaRussa, you have to try it all old man.
McFann =Ô=
June 14th, 2009
4:13 pm
Sheesh…this apparently wasn’t pretty…
What happened with BMac??
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
4:13 pm
Mixxo-
I saw it. The fact that I didn’t make fun of you means that it was ok. But, if the Braves were winning I wouldn’t be on the blog.
Necromancer
June 14th, 2009
4:13 pm
Tomahawkin
Indeed, it was at Dodger Stadium..no wonder that team is on the top!
Joebrave
June 14th, 2009
4:13 pm
A definite shake-up is in order, and Chipper probably needs to go first, enough of the Employees thinking that they own the damn team!!!
TBrown
June 14th, 2009
4:13 pm
David Ross could command a pretty decent return on the trade market. I’d prefer hanging onto him though.
BravesfaninWis
June 14th, 2009
4:14 pm
The Braves need more offense and fast.. Trade for Adam Dunn and stick him 4th behind Chipper.. That way Chip will get plenty of pitches to hit.. This crap is getting old already.. We are getting man handled by a Orioles team that had a problem scoring 2 runs a game all year.. What a joke..
cabravesfan
June 14th, 2009
4:14 pm
McFann-
relax sweetie- they pulled him when the score got out of hand. He’s fine
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
4:14 pm
Ross now has more homers than: Anderson, Diaz, Frenchy, Kotchman, Prado ( that’s kinda expected cause he ain’t a power guy),
Ross has the same amount of homers as: Kelly Johnson.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
4:14 pm
Hey, we only need 9 more runs…
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
4:14 pm
Come on Braves, do what you do best………..9 runs to go.
Chipper is so good, not even an 0 for 21 make this blog punish him, LOL, that is a HOF right there.
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
4:14 pm
We never quit!!
Carroll Rogers
June 14th, 2009
4:15 pm
A Dizzy, I’m not sure there are enough off days to really warrant that right now, but not a bad consideration..with hanson they’re just pushing everybody back a day, so it doesn’t really feel like there’s a fourth spot or a fifth spot to me right now, just the next guy in the rotation, you know?
Rossy’s ninth multi-home run game of his career. that’s five on the season now.