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Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:54 pm
Joe Simpson: “Nothing going right today.”
Tell me about it.
a643dp
June 14th, 2009
2:54 pm
Mets/Braves/Philly = 1
Yanks/O’s/Bos = 24
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
2:54 pm
As I type that Kelly boots another one.
billy_buru
June 14th, 2009
2:55 pm
Kelly sucks even worse. He brings nothing to the team. He will get hot again and save his job in September when it’s meaningless.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:55 pm
Steve from OH
Would you choose Lowe to pitch game 7 of the World Series, I wouldn’t! Vazquez and Jurrjens have out pitched him.
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
2:55 pm
I would have to add that right now are top 5 spots in the lineup look pretty solid to me………….capable guys………….this just tells you how bad next 3 are……….. LF, RF, 2B.
steve_97060
June 14th, 2009
2:55 pm
some of you morons understand Medlen is a long reliever right, and Moylan and O’Flaherty are short, right? that is why Medlen comes in for longer innings now, he wouldn’t come in yesterday for short work… do you understand how a bullpen works? apparently not, tools…
seriously, why do some of you idiots masquerading as fans come on here and spout your negative clueless BS..
a bunch of wannabe managers/GM’s/experts… yeah right…
Yeah, Yunel is the problem!
June 14th, 2009
2:55 pm
Kelly Johnson demonstrating why it was stupid to remove Escobar for defensive lapses.
bigmacattack
June 14th, 2009
2:56 pm
Look’s like a bad day for the NL East
Those “flying under the radar” Marlins are winning. Working towards a sweep of the Jays.
joe
June 14th, 2009
2:56 pm
haha…love simpson going off on those glasses
o-me
June 14th, 2009
2:56 pm
Why would Bobby be sending a message to Esco ,when he never sends a message to anyone else?
Frank Wren needs to send Bobby Cox a message…Hit the road Bobby and don’t you come back no more, no more, no more…..
Wren need to sweeten the pot with fish and send Frenchy fishing.
KK looked great last night compared to Lowe today. Lowe ’s not look good the last 2 games he started.
Agree with Paul Lentz yesterday…Roberts would look good in Braves uniform.
Bobby’s just not getting the job done …players not performing for him. Team has no life, heart, etc.
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
2:56 pm
Hopefully Bobby Will have a team meeting and get some straightening going on with some of his players…
We had a good chance to make ground in the east over the last 10 days and blew it…This stretch will hurt us come September, “Bank On It!”
Steve from OH
June 14th, 2009
2:56 pm
That’s not the question, Rob. Don’t deflect. You said Lowe sucks and gives up too many baserunners. He clearly does not. Defend your position, don’t make new ones.
billy_buru
June 14th, 2009
2:56 pm
Francoer has had a pretty good series. Todaty is not the day to bust on him.
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:56 pm
Ugh these walks are brutal. Come on Medlen, no control meltdowns please.
Glen Tubbard
June 14th, 2009
2:57 pm
Kelly Johnson sucks
joe
June 14th, 2009
2:57 pm
a643—–ouch!
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:58 pm
Now we see why McLouth prefers to to throw
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:58 pm
Frenchy has looked a lot more like the spring training version of himself (low Ks, drawing walks, scattering balls), than the April version.
So much for Medlen being the savior. Oh well.
Good Grief
June 14th, 2009
2:58 pm
Escobar getting benched is a joke and straight up BS – if not for him being injured. If this is about sending a message then why not send one to the “golden boy” and Kelly? Oh, I guess our team is to banged up to do that huh? I agree with the folks that say this team don’t do the fundamental things well…something as simple as communication seems to be foreign to this team. Get No. 6 out of here – his time has come. Do to him what you did to Smoltzy and Glavine!
Cletus
June 14th, 2009
2:58 pm
The McLouth worm-burner looked like a putt.
joe
June 14th, 2009
2:58 pm
So far I’ve seen nothing but a weakish arm from McLouth
bigmacattack
June 14th, 2009
2:59 pm
medlen’s a bum, get him out
John
June 14th, 2009
2:59 pm
Frank Wren– do you like what you see? This is your work. Its time to clean house and get new management from the owner to the coaches. The Braves really stink and are unwatchable. The AJC reporters and columnists need to step up the pressure, starting today..
kirkinga
June 14th, 2009
2:59 pm
Kelly Johnson should be on the block too.
Roja
June 14th, 2009
2:59 pm
Is McClouth getting paid to cover left and center?
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:59 pm
Steve
Lowe is a sinker pitcher as we all know. Sinker pitchers tend to give up a lot of hits because ground balls find holes. There have been starts where he has poor cintrol. Lots of 3 ball counts. He is not an Ace in my opinion. I meant he sucks today. He is a number 2/3, not a 1
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
3:00 pm
Good grief, it’s because Escobar is making mental mistakes, not mistakes based on lack of ability. There is no excuse for the former. It isn’t a terribly complicated game.
joe
June 14th, 2009
3:00 pm
Good Grief: I agree with you. Francouer should’ve been benched instead of a “day off to rest his legs” for all the mental lapses and poor decision making at the plate, not to mention his prima donna attitude about going to the minors. If Bobby thinks you need time in the minors, that is exactly what you need.
Necromancer
June 14th, 2009
3:00 pm
DocHoliday
Heh, if that were the case, the whole team would be benched…
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
3:00 pm
This is kind of funny.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
3:01 pm
….
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
3:01 pm
Esco definatley taking one for the team. Hate to think where we would be without him. Hey Mets down 13-0 Braves are trying to get there.
RHR
June 14th, 2009
3:01 pm
It is the FOURTH inning!
Unreal.
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
3:01 pm
billy_buru,
2 things:
1st……………we are better than last year………..pitching…………….but we are incredibly worst hitting than last year.
2nd…………..KJ does bring a lot to this team………..lots of ineptitude.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
3:01 pm
Baltimore has good players, why do they struggle to score runs. They have good speed as well.
billy_buru
June 14th, 2009
3:01 pm
Can we declare the National league AAAA ball? lol what a pathetic league not even worthy of paying to see.
bigmacattack
June 14th, 2009
3:01 pm
The O’s a perfect 10
and they avg 2 runs per game eh?
Bless you
June 14th, 2009
3:01 pm
steve 97060, Moron there is no reason Medlen can’t pitch short relief. Thanks smart A@@!
Gone Viral
June 14th, 2009
3:02 pm
“My point is he is being paid ACE money, and has not pitched like one. I am not negative. I am being honest. Jurrjens is the ace of this team.”
I agree with you about Jurrjens, but you’re wrong about Lowe’s performance to date this season. There are 9 pitchers in baseball with at least 10 quality starts. Lowe is one of them. Vazzie has 9 and Jurrjens has 8, meaning that the team has three guys who are performing at a very high level.
The curse of Glavine
June 14th, 2009
3:02 pm
Medlen is a soft tosser proving once again that the concern about Glavine’s velocity was just a cover story for the Braves not wanting to spend more money.
Roja
June 14th, 2009
3:02 pm
At least it’s not 13-0 like it is in NY
Mike
June 14th, 2009
3:02 pm
I am going to say this with pride and I am a HUGE braves fan!!! The WASHINGTON NATIONALS are a better team than the Braves and will be for many years to come! The braves should be playing in the Double-A league!
Roja
June 14th, 2009
3:02 pm
OOPS! Maybe I spoke too soon.
Steve from OH
June 14th, 2009
3:03 pm
Then just say that. Don’t say that he “sucks” or that he “gives up too many runners,” and then make up some BS when you can’t defend your position. Just say you overstated something and no-one will care.
Oklahomabrave
June 14th, 2009
3:03 pm
Enter your comments here
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:03 pm
Yikes….okay Lowe you’d expect to have a bad game every now and then.
But you’d never expect this out of Santana.
3 innings….9 hits…9 earned runs….2 walks…and 3 K’s
billy_buru
June 14th, 2009
3:03 pm
Doc I don’t know what our record was this time last year-probably the same. I don’t know how that translates. Francoer has a good series and Chipper goes into a slump,etc. This team never plays well together at the same time.
O'brien
June 14th, 2009
3:03 pm
Cubs just fired their hitting coach. Imagine that…
McLouth of the South
June 14th, 2009
3:04 pm
Hey where’s Paul Lentz to talk about Frank Wren, Exec of the Year?
Tomas
June 14th, 2009
3:05 pm
I can’t remember the last time the Braves were beaten this badly.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
3:05 pm
Poor McLouth. Running around the whole inning.
TnBrian
June 14th, 2009
3:05 pm
Thomas, I like your point about Lowe. You’re right, can anybody really argue that Lowe has had a dominate outing since opening night? Tell me and I’ll be sure to pay attention. Not a quality start or a win, but a flat out dominate performance. Like him, but he definitely not what you would call an “ace”. More of a #3 guy that you want going opening day, or first game of postseason play.
Steve from OH
June 14th, 2009
3:06 pm
Gee, it’s not unreasonable to ask Wren to overhaul the starting rotation, and find three OFers without destroying the farm system, is it? Nah, Wren sucks. Y’all need some perspective, or maybe just some “brains.”
Bobby's Cox
June 14th, 2009
3:06 pm
When was the last time a team scored in every inning? Has it ever happened?
Oklahomabrave
June 14th, 2009
3:07 pm
You people suck. Nothin but crybabies on this blog. Go find another team to cheer for.
N8
June 14th, 2009
3:07 pm
Wow. Just woke up after a long night. Think I’ll go back to bed.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:07 pm
um…The Yankees grounded into an unassisted DP…and got a run on the same play…that’s just weird
KC
June 14th, 2009
3:07 pm
If it’s any consolation, Lowe had stretches last season as well in which he was very unimpressive. But then, down the stretch, he was unbelievable. Hopefully, he’s just repeating that pattern, and the best is yet to come.
Let’s not forget that he has given us a lot of solid starts, including his dominating of Phili on opening day and his out-dueling of Sanatana NY.
Let’s cut him a little slack. He’ll be fine.
Roja
June 14th, 2009
3:08 pm
From the number of innings they go in games, this year the Braves have short starters as well as short relievers.
joe
June 14th, 2009
3:08 pm
Cmon lets be real…if Jurrjjens is the closest thing to our ace, then we have a staff full of #2,3 and 4 pitchers. Once Hanson grows into Acehood, he and JJ will make a powerful 1-2. Then Javy if we stil have him, and Lowe to round it out. I’ll take Lowe as a #4 making that much money, if our 1-2 dominate like aces.
Bobby's Cox
June 14th, 2009
3:08 pm
Steve good post at 3:06. Wren’s done a good job… He’ll continue this next offseason. This is just one of those days that every team goes through and people are thinking the wheels are falling off…H
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
3:08 pm
Epinephrine
Yeah and KJ doesn’t make mental mistakes. Someone said it earlier, Yunel gets the blame for this play because he had the ball in his hand. Messed up in that Pittsburgh game but really don’t believe he’s as bad as you would lead one to believe. Chipper, Escobar, and McCann. Those are our best players and they have to constantly try to cover up and make up for the shortcomings of the rest. Our pitchers are probably showing some fatigue from always having to be perfect all the time. Its not always the pitch count but the stress of the pitches. If thats the case its been a very stressful season for our pitchers. Same thing for our only consistent position players.
Paulding Paul
June 14th, 2009
3:08 pm
So much for Medlen being the savior. Oh well.
Yes.True.Correct.
Yet another prospect failing to live up to his billing.Send him down, rebuild his trade value and then ship him out for some help in the pen.
Good Grief
June 14th, 2009
3:08 pm
Epinephrine, let’s not go down the mental mistakes road. There’s a boat load of em’ to make about players on this team. I know its not a terribly complicated game, I’ve played the game – maybe not professionally but I’ve played it.
If you’re going to wave and beat a stick at one guy on the team you need to wave it all the guys. I’m sure we’ll hear about the “Escobar not throwing home play” when I didn’t see or hear one player on the team say “throw home” – would have been nice if the team actually worked as a team now and then. Pretty funny how Joe Simpson really gets down on Yunel too – let Kelly drop a double play ball and its almost like it doesn’t happen. Yet, this guy along with Chipper and McCann has been carrying our anemic offense all year…BS #6 – straight up BS!
bigmacattack
June 14th, 2009
3:08 pm
2 pitches 2 outs for Jeff
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:09 pm
ok…I’m not saying this is all TP’s fault, but if you want to make a dent….get fire under their butts, you need to make a change somewhere.
Necromancer
June 14th, 2009
3:09 pm
Same crap every inning for the Braves awfense: 1,2,3, your out…
very frustrating!
joe
June 14th, 2009
3:09 pm
Roja…that is complete BS. Stop vomiting in the blog.
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:09 pm
I think if the Braves can score a couple of runs and Chipper can get a couple of hits, this game won’t be the worst game ever.
Steve from OH
June 14th, 2009
3:10 pm
Derek Lowe:
April 6: 8 IP, 0 ER
April 25: 7IP, 2 ER
May 1 and 11: 6.2 IP, 2 ER
May 18: 8 IP, 2 ER
May 23: 7 1/3 IP, 2 ER
June 3: 7 IP, 2 ER
June 9: 7 IP, 3 ER
I don’t know what your definition of “dominant” is, but that’s pretty damn good.
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
3:10 pm
Necromancer,
So be it…….or Cox can give them their medicine like 1 each day, until they learn.
I have been saying (lots of other denizens) that KJ should go. What is all this about ATLANTA BRAVES? It is clear to anybody with the slightest knowledge of baseball that KJ is not a capable guy.
1. Tons of fielding errors
2. His range is not even average………..horrible at best.
3. He lets lots, and I mean lots of ball go past through him
4. No power, no RBI.
5. No BA
6. No SB
7. No leadership
The only thing he does is work the count, but only to get himself out on deep counts.
We need a 2B, a RF, a LF and a 1B…………….at least 2 of those 4 positions have to be retooled. Specially RF and 2B if you ask me.
O'brien
June 14th, 2009
3:10 pm
bravos2249,
Thats what I’m talking about. The Cubs just fired their hitting coach…
Gone Viral
June 14th, 2009
3:11 pm
“You’re right, can anybody really argue that Lowe has had a dominate outing since opening night?”
He gave up three hits in eight innings against Colorado just a couple of weeks ago. And then there is opening night when he only gave up two hits with no walks in eight innings.
It’s okay to be frustrated about today without totally disregarding a fine body of work on the season.
RHR
June 14th, 2009
3:11 pm
Sorry but I see NO WAY that home steal was Yunel’s fault. I mean, WTF? Really?
TnBrian
June 14th, 2009
3:12 pm
Anybody seen Rescue Dawn? I’m sure ya’ll have but trying to avert some attention away from this depressing team right now. Anyways, love this movie. Bale is a damn good actor…what about the new Terminator movie, any good?
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:12 pm
O’brien
And they won with him last year too. It’s not what have you done for me, it’s what have you done lately.
Tomas
June 14th, 2009
3:12 pm
The Orioles just have too much hitting, and have a hot pitcher on the mound, so just forget it.
SOS
June 14th, 2009
3:12 pm
Hey Bobby:
Send a message to :
1. Francouer
2. Bennett
3. Diaz
4. O’Flarety or whatever his name is
5. Moylan
6. Norton
7. TERRY PENDLETON
Now, Wren send a message to Bobby Cox:
Get out of here!!!!!
Roman Gal
June 14th, 2009
3:13 pm
Happy Birthday, Lew!
Chop It Up All-star
June 14th, 2009
3:13 pm
As a longtime baseball/Braves fan I know that there are going to be days like this, but all I want to see from these Braves is a little heart/effort/execution. Yeah, we’re down by 10, but dammit we’re NOT going to get shut out by a team with the worst pitching staff in baseball.
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
3:14 pm
Wow. Just woke up after a long night. Think I’ll go back to bed. – N8
Might as well N. You’re not gonna miss anything here today. Lowe’s in the middle of one of his slumps, the O’s are beating our brains out, etc., etc.
I hope we lose 20-0. Maybe that’ll shake the bushes. …or something. This crap isn’t funny anymore.
Duke
June 14th, 2009
3:14 pm
Jake, I have seen Yunel botch as many double play balls as Kelly, if not more.
Necromancer
June 14th, 2009
3:14 pm
Well, the Cubs fire their pitching coach because they don’t have the “Nose Miner” in the dugout like we do.
Steve from OH
June 14th, 2009
3:14 pm
RG–It’s Lew’s birthday? Happy Birthday, Lew!
Chuck James was Solid Until the 6th!!!
June 14th, 2009
3:14 pm
This offense sucks!!!!! A bunch of punchless bums rubbing off on McLouth now….
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
3:14 pm
is there a nine run rule
Heath (Cleveland)
June 14th, 2009
3:15 pm
OK…there’s been a lot of chatter about how we perform well against teams with winning record and we perform poorly against teams with losing records… Coming in to today’s game, based on the teams’ records RIGHT NOW…the Braves are as follows:
Record against winning records: 13-13
Record against losing records: 17-18
So, with those numbers, there does seem to be at least something to the argument that the Braves’ mental approach is just not there against teams that they “should” beat. I haven’t looked at the records of all the teams at the time they met, but for some reason I think SF had a losing record at the time…I could be wrong. If I am right about that…it makes those numbers look even worse since we got swept by them.
So, what do we make of this? Doesn’t lack of focus fall squarely on the manager? I “like” Bobby…but are the Braves just “too” comfortable with him in the dugout? I mean…looking at Escobar today…it took nearly a season and half’s worth of bone-head plays (which is kinda what I think…not just today’s play) before he benched him.
Thoughts?
Masochist
June 14th, 2009
3:15 pm
I love this game! Keep bringing the pain
a643dp
June 14th, 2009
3:15 pm
This team is not near as good as we might think. The Braves have only won 1 series out of the last 9 series we have played. The one win was a sweep against a team that was in the midst of a 9 game losing streak.
RHR
June 14th, 2009
3:15 pm
That would also explain JF benching a few days ago.
Except that was called a “routine day off, nothing more” because it was JF. Yunel was pulled immediately after that play and benched. Its okay to embarrass Yunel but not JF.
But ok yeah, there were 2 outs and if they simply tag the guy they had in the run down then it doesn’t matter, the home steal doesn’t count. I get it. But I don’t think THAT was the thing to bench him for.
TnBrian
June 14th, 2009
3:15 pm
Steve from Ohio, I said I’d pay attention and I am…forgot about that 8IP, 0R performance from Lowe. TWO dominate outing so far from our $15M man.
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
3:15 pm
No Need To Hate on D-Lo Here…Every Ace is inclined to have 1 bad start out of 10 when things just don’t go right…
It it wasn’t for our Garbage Offense D-Lo would have 10 wins right now and probably be the All-Star game Starting pitcher for the NL…
billy_buru
June 14th, 2009
3:16 pm
Wren needs to step in and fire TP. A change must be made- a new approach is needed.
Chuck James was Solid Until the 6th!!!
June 14th, 2009
3:16 pm
N8
Does your wife have any sisters? That’s awesome your wife lets you sleep till 3 after a “long night”. That’s unheard of!
Happy B-Day Lew!
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
3:16 pm
Duke
Yunel may mess up DP’s and stuff…but he doesn’t drop many transfers as KJ does.
Chuck James was Solid Until the 6th!!!
June 14th, 2009
3:16 pm
Fire Pendelton!!!!!!
Gone Viral
June 14th, 2009
3:17 pm
“Sorry but I see NO WAY that home steal was Yunel’s fault. I mean, WTF? Really?”
There were two outs. He wasn’t aware of the situation and made the wrong play. That’s why Bobby benched him. Yunel will occasionally show tremendous baseball IQ like when he stole a base while a pitcher watched a couple of seasons ago. Then, he’ll throw home rather than a tag a guy for the third out like happened today or he’ll hold the ball while the runner scores from second on an infield grounder like what happened the other day. He’s immature. It’s that simple.
braveshater
June 14th, 2009
3:17 pm
Bobby Coxcks blows.
Roja
June 14th, 2009
3:17 pm
Wiggington 3 HRs all year before today – 2 HRs today.