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bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
2:33 pm
Rico
I know. Because Joe has been getting on to Escobar about his mistakes…and he didn’t seem to blame him….so IDK.
braveshater
June 14th, 2009
2:33 pm
How the hell can you have a 2.85 era and be 5-4? Pitch for the sorry ass Braves and be a minority.
TnBrian
June 14th, 2009
2:33 pm
Carrol, good point, but I’m not even sure w/ Roberts and Andino’s speed that Yunel could’ve gotten the tag in time. You might be exactly right though.
RHR
June 14th, 2009
2:34 pm
the Atlanta Braves…..the only team in baseball to drop 2 of 3 to the Baltimore orioles.
Actually, so have the Yankees, Rays, Rangers, White Sox, Twins, Royals, Nationals, Blue Jays, and Tigers. But good try.
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
2:34 pm
I have to agree with you Rico Carty. Really don’t think Escobar would have gotten to Roberts on time especially with no one covering 1st.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:34 pm
They’re talking about Esco on FSN right now.
RHR
June 14th, 2009
2:35 pm
If Yunel got benched for that I’ma be pissed because I know he’s a hot head but after all the fail some of these other guys have done without getting benched?
a643dp
June 14th, 2009
2:35 pm
Lowe has been on the mound pitching 45 of the last 60 minutes. Bobby WTF
Chop It Up All-star
June 14th, 2009
2:35 pm
Wasn’t there a 22 to 1 loss against Baltimore a few years back? We may be headed there again.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:35 pm
D LOWE SUCKS
Duke
June 14th, 2009
2:35 pm
Escobar needs to learn to play with his head. Tag the runner and the inning is over. Even if the runner does score, get the out and end the inning. Too many careless plays by our shortstop.
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:35 pm
what more do you need to see? GET MEDLEN IN THERE. Absurd.
AndyC
June 14th, 2009
2:35 pm
Ok. I’m done.
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
2:36 pm
Roberts is much faster than Escobar and Andino or whatever his name is was fast too.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:36 pm
Ay-yi-yi, D-Lowe. He looks worn out today.
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
2:36 pm
The Braves Should Be taking Notes
The Orioles hitters really seem to know how to work the pitcher and make the game go their pace. Rarely do you see first pitch grounders/pop flys, they are much more patient and know how to hit. We are playing a bottomfeeder team but we are getting beaten up by a more disciplined team. The Braves should watch the film of the Orioles and take it into the rest of the season. I continue to hate watching the braves make AAA teams like the Pirates and Orioles look like Playoff teams…
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
2:36 pm
Well Santana has given up 6 runs today too…Is it Ace pitcher suck day or somethin
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:36 pm
This game goes to show you that what Hanson was able to do Friday shows that the kid is a great pitcher.
bigmacattack
June 14th, 2009
2:37 pm
the good news: at least boston is winning again
joe
June 14th, 2009
2:37 pm
chop it up all star….i think smoltz pitched that game
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:38 pm
Wow, 6 runs and there’s runners on base with no one out too. Maybe it is ace pitcher suck day.
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:38 pm
Carroll is definitely right. At that point we didn’t need to stop the runner from scoring, because if he tagged him out it was inning over. It was obvious. And not only that, but Escobar made the throw when it was too late to do anything about it. Bad either way you look at it. Escobar is an air head, and he needed to be sent a message. I was worried about having enough steam to make a comeback, but I didn’t realize Bobby intended to let Lowe make the game a foregone conclusion.
At least the Phils and Mets are getting shelled.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:38 pm
Can we please get a new manager
Roja
June 14th, 2009
2:38 pm
Apparently the Bullpen has rubbed off on Derek Lowe.
Good Grief
June 14th, 2009
2:38 pm
So let me get this right…Bobby replacing Escobar because nobody covered first? No wonder this team’s a joke! He should replace the whole line up except for Chipper and McCann! I don’t understand this team or the coach. He tears through a bullpen Friday night, using guys left and right in a game that was clearly won, and today it looks like the bullpen is going to get another good workout. If anybody needs to be replaced its No.6 – BOBBY COX!!!!
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
2:38 pm
RHR
Exactly…there have been others that deserve benching.
Duke
You have a point about just trying to end the inning. No other runs scored though. I rather him be benched, than hurt though.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:39 pm
Little Medlen. Shoulda pitched yesterday, but noooooooooo.
Steve from OH
June 14th, 2009
2:39 pm
D LOWE SUCKS
Sure does. A sh!tty 3.44 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 3.22 FIP, and an obscenely low HR/9 rate. Cut his sucky butt.
Maybe if you negative posters would post things that actually have a basis in fact, you’d get more cred and less people would complain about you. But this continual posting of just obscenely stupid sh!t is too much. Take a break.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:39 pm
I thought Jason Heyward was supposed to play this weekend
Tomas
June 14th, 2009
2:39 pm
Derek hasn’t had a dominant start since opening day in philly.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 14th, 2009
2:40 pm
The team…as constructed is not anywhere near play-off caliber. Either make some trades (plural) to improve the team, or make some trades to make us competitive next year. Either way, I think the fans will appreciate it more than continuing to watch what we’ve been watching for 61 games… and counting. Can everyone atleast agree on that?
: )
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:40 pm
Hey whaddya know an out!
Necromancer
June 14th, 2009
2:40 pm
I miss the days when the Braves actually got a lot of respect.
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
2:40 pm
Outside of 1st base our whole infield has made some idiotic plays, but you can’t really bench Chipper the vet so you bench the next best infielder to send a message I guess. Well on an earlier post I said I felt D. Lowe would have a good day, obviously I was wrong. However I did correctly say The Mets would find a way to lose with Santana on the mound and down 6-0 now 7-0 and nobody out in the 4th i may be right. God bless the NL East. Without you my Bravos would have no chance.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
2:40 pm
Well if we want to blame someone covering first…why in the hell did Kelly run towards 2nd when Roberts was running towards first w/ Escobar chasing him.
Kelly probably wouldn’t have gotten there in time….but that one didn’t make sense to me.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:40 pm
Good try Diory.
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:40 pm
Tough break.
kirkinga
June 14th, 2009
2:40 pm
Escobar’s best bet was to tag the runner, but there was no guarantee he could’ve done so. I think it a cumulative thing, not just this one play. But I think it would be better sent not having him in the lineup for consecutive days than pulling him in a blowout.
Heath (Cleveland)
June 14th, 2009
2:41 pm
Epinephrine -
True…but the Mets and Phils have an offense capable of scoring runs.
Carroll Rogers
June 14th, 2009
2:41 pm
2 1/3 innings for Lowe was his shortest outing since Oct. 3, 2004 against – guess who- the Orioles when he lasted only two innings as a member of the Red Sox
billy_buru
June 14th, 2009
2:41 pm
It figures Frenchy is actually playing better and having a good series,and everyone else is sucking.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:41 pm
Steve from OH
Derrek Lowe has not pitched that great this season. He always has runners on base. My point is he is being paid ACE money, and has not pitched like one. I am not negative. I am being honest. Jurrjens is the ace of this team.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
2:41 pm
Jake W.
Jimmy Rollins ain’t no Howard or Utely..but he got benched twice last year.
ozzie
June 14th, 2009
2:41 pm
Way to put Medlen in to the fire Bobby.
Top of the 6th last night should have been Medlen’s.. Today you are wasting him.
Pathetic.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:42 pm
Wow, make that 7 runs for Johan Santana and he got pulled.
Chop It Up All-star
June 14th, 2009
2:42 pm
I agree with most of you, if Bobby benched Escobar, one of our better offensive players, because of that play, I have to question that move.
cabravesfan
June 14th, 2009
2:42 pm
bravos2249-
I believe it was actually KJ’s job to back up at 1st…
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:42 pm
Heath-it’s more amusing just because it’s Johan that is on the hook for 7, and possibly 9 runs. For those keeping score, that is one of several red flags Johan has thrown up this season.
And as for the Phils-they can, but probably not against Beckett.
joe
June 14th, 2009
2:42 pm
If Escobar can be benched for that during the game, then Francouer should also be benched for his thousands of first pitch outs.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:42 pm
Yeah Med! Great job.
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
2:43 pm
If You guys want a good laugh check out the philly board, they are going off on there…
http://forums.philly.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-phillies&msg=78688.1&ctx=1
a643dp
June 14th, 2009
2:43 pm
Baltimore is 29th in pitching a 5.20 ERA. LOL If Bobby wants to make a point bench Frenchy when he swings at the 1st pitch after a basesloaded walk.
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:43 pm
Hey Bobby-take notice. Had you put Kris in last night we would probably have won the series. Now at least he gets to prove for the fourth time this year he is a better pitcher than Jeff Bennett, Peter Moylan, Eric O’Flaherty, and the other questionable arms routinely trotted out there to protect winnable games.
John
June 14th, 2009
2:43 pm
In baseball…a lot of things can be “corrected”…”dumb”…unfortunately…ain’t one of em’.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
2:43 pm
cabravesfan
so you agreeing with me? Cause the knucklehead ran towards 2nd….there was no way Roberts could’ve gone back towards 2nd.
TNJeff
June 14th, 2009
2:43 pm
this team does NOT do any of the fundamentals
I expect more from my little league team in executing a run down than what I saw from these idiots.
Speaking of execution – Can we have one arranged for this team & manager
Colin
June 14th, 2009
2:43 pm
i shut it off and by off i mean i shut off gameday..im from way up north so i am not able to watch
.. may someone please explain what is going on with Escobar?
Mike
June 14th, 2009
2:44 pm
I am not giving up on this team but seriously how bad can our offense really get??? I just really have no confidence in this team at all because they really don’t seem to want to win at all!
billy_buru
June 14th, 2009
2:44 pm
Medlen should have been in last night. Everyone but Bobby knows Moylan and Oflaherty are being overused. What a waste.
Duke
June 14th, 2009
2:45 pm
He’s not hurt. He is being sat down and he needs to be. Escobar is being benched because of poor decision making in the field. Not because he is swinging at bad pitches. He makes the most bone headed plays by far of anyone on this team. And everyone who says other guys should be benched too, well then you aren’t paying attention to these games.
ozzie
June 14th, 2009
2:45 pm
Gee Medlen starting this inning would have been nice.
Kid is very good let’s hope the meat puppet manager uses him more.
I cannot watch this mess anymore.
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
2:45 pm
Its clear to me:
1. Bobby benched Escobar to send him a message.
2. He didnt benched him for this play but for this one and his last 10 fielding and mental mistakes.
3. Bobby is already tired of Escobar.
4. Bobby is tired of a lot of players on this team and Escobar paid the price for it.
5. I´ve seen the replay many times and escobar could have tagged the guy easily, he had much better momentum running toward 1B than the runner.
6. Last but not least, I think there is a big chance that the real reason all this happened is that YUNEL JUST FORGOT HOW MANY OUTS WERE THERE AND THATS WHY HE CHOSE TO COME HOME INSTEAD OF TAGGING THE RUNNER.
The Truth
June 14th, 2009
2:45 pm
You all know what is coming from me:
TRADE SORIANO
TRADE GONZO
TRADE VASQUEZ
We need to be thinking about 2010 and beyond right now. This team isn’t making the playoffs. Don’t think because the Phils and Mets are struggling that this is a winnable division or wild care. It isn’t. They will be more consistent than us.
Get prospects back for three players that have no long term future with this team. You ALL know that that is the right move for this team to make. Draft picks suck.
Tomahawkin
June 14th, 2009
2:45 pm
Tomas
Its Hard For D-Lo, Double J, and Vazquez to have dominant starts when the AWFense fails to give them run support…
cabravesfan
June 14th, 2009
2:46 pm
bravos2249-
sorry- i actually didn’t see which way he ran..was just assuming (but maybe, with a runner on 3rd, he did have to cover 2nd because the 3rd baseman had to saty home)
bigmacattack
June 14th, 2009
2:46 pm
Marlins are winning … braves only half a game in front of them.
2 games under .500 and in 4th place by the end of today??
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:46 pm
LOL, the Mets are having just as bad a game as the Braves. 8-0 in the bottom of the 4th. And, they can’t get anyone out in this inning. Bases loaded.
Steve from OH
June 14th, 2009
2:46 pm
Derrek Lowe has not pitched that great this season. He always has runners on base.
Did you just read the stats I posted? I know they were for “Derek” Lowe, so maybe you missed them.
1.18 WHIP does NOT equal “too many baserunners.” I am sorry, but none of what you said is true.
kirkinga
June 14th, 2009
2:46 pm
God bless the NL East. Without you my Bravos would have no chance
Amen to that! But watch the Braves go play much better against the Yankees and BoSox, they seem to play down to the competition as we see with the Pirates, D’Backs, Rockies,etc.. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them win a series against either team.
Carroll Rogers
June 14th, 2009
2:46 pm
line on Lowe, if you can stomach it……2 1/3 innings, 8 hits, seven runs, all earned, one home run, three walks, no Ks. he threw 80 pitches, 48 for strikes.
McLouth of the South
June 14th, 2009
2:47 pm
Maybe Escobar is still upset about Brayan Pena being traded
joe
June 14th, 2009
2:47 pm
I wish bobby would bench the whole team…that would be funny.
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
2:47 pm
What I meant bravos2249 is that personally I feel Yunel will take it better. He may not like it but I feel he will take it as a personal challenge to do better. I don’t believe he has the fragile syke like some of our players. Bench KJ or Frenchy like someone recommended and they probably go into a tailspin (not like they already haven’t). Just look what happened when they tried to send Frenchy down last year. Rollins did good after his benching so maybe Esco will respond the same way.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:48 pm
Stop swinging at the first pitch
Salamander
June 14th, 2009
2:48 pm
KC
I read your post @ 2:10, and I agree with many of your points. Along with a general lack of strategy displayed by the Braves this year (be it on the base paths or with bullpen management), I would add that there is a fundamental lack of patience displayed at the plate from many of the Braves’ hitters.
The Braves are an aggressive team at the plate – and its been killing them while giving opposing mediocre pitchers too many easy innings. Why isn’t TP able to get these guys to slow down their at bats and see more pitches? I don’t have an answer to that question, and I’m not going to assume its because TP is a terrible hitting coach (he has done great work in the past with other Braves’ lineups). However, the bottomline is that TP isn’t having much of a positive impact on the lineup this year.
Of course, I’m not in the clubhouse or on the team, and so I have no clue if TP is a good hitting instructor or not. But the results on the field and at the plate suggest that his job shouldn’t be very secure going into 2010.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:49 pm
Lowe never has a 1-2-3 inning. We just have to disagree on this!
Couch Tater
June 14th, 2009
2:49 pm
The Mets should cut Santana.
cabravesfan
June 14th, 2009
2:49 pm
The Truth-
So if you trade those guys, who takes their place this season? Who sets up? Who closes? and who fills Javy’s spot in the rotation? (I really want to know who you would use…not trying to be nasty)
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
2:49 pm
Anyone catch that shot of our bullpen earlier?
We were down 4 or 5 zip at the time, one of the young guys was whooping it up with someone else like we were up 8-0 and the guy on the end (Acosta maybe) was fast asleep leaning on the water cooler.
They cut away from that ….real quick-like.
Says it all folks!
Tomas
June 14th, 2009
2:49 pm
Did Escobar get injured or was Bobby pissed off by his mental lapces.
Steve from OH
June 14th, 2009
2:50 pm
Lowe never has a 1-2-3 inning. We just have to disagree on this!
His stats are what they are. You can choose to ignore them, but it doesn’t make you right.
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:50 pm
Tough luck there. Really needed to get a run across.
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:50 pm
Are you kidding me? Not even one run?
Mitchell
June 14th, 2009
2:51 pm
Braves suck.
I gotta go.
Next year, huh?
Soph
June 14th, 2009
2:51 pm
Ha! Mixxo, I did see that. Acosta was napping on the end. Funny stuff.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
2:51 pm
cabravesfan
I think Chipper stayed at 3rd. It was just a bad fundamental play and Escobar ended up having the ball when it happened.
Jake W.
As I said I rather have him benched than injured. And it doesn’t look like we’ll win anyway so why not?
Mixxo
June 14th, 2009
2:51 pm
I think Escobar got benched.
Yeah….really.
Scorby Jones
June 14th, 2009
2:52 pm
Yikes, D-Lowe looked bad this morning… but now we get to watch Medlen hold it together for a little while here.
bravos2249
June 14th, 2009
2:52 pm
I also would like to know why KNOW-IT-ALL Joe assumes the Braves will just skip KK’s next start?
billy_buru
June 14th, 2009
2:52 pm
All the money spent on pitching and we are no better than last year. Quite sad. They could have gotten some power hitting but failed to and now are paying the price
Colin
June 14th, 2009
2:52 pm
hey at least the mets are losing, and the phills last i knew…gotta think positive maybe?
Epinephrine
June 14th, 2009
2:52 pm
Frenchy is actually playing much better out in the field this year.
Come on Kris. Get another quality outing under your belt.
Mitchell
June 14th, 2009
2:52 pm
Are you kidding me Garrett Anderson!
How slow are you?
Okay, now I’m gone.
Carroll Rogers
June 14th, 2009
2:53 pm
Tomas, no report of any injury. i think that was a message delivered
Heath (Cleveland)
June 14th, 2009
2:53 pm
That Baltimore defense is tough out there… Ray Lewis is flying around taking out everyone. I doubt Atlanta will be able to put together a good drive to get the game-tieing touchdown. Ugh.
Roja
June 14th, 2009
2:53 pm
3 innings, 84 pitches, 9 hits, 9 runs given up. That is Johan Santana’s line for today’s game. Look’s like a bad day for the NL East
DocHoliday
June 14th, 2009
2:53 pm
Yunels benching is the clear reflex of a frustrated manager……….Cox is starting to feel like a clown. That would also explain JF benching a few days ago. After seeing this, Im convinced we should get ready for some real changes……….Cox is angry. I thought I would never say this, but I think his patient is over. Its time for: YOU MAKE A MISTAKE, YOU ARE BENCHED, ————–YOU DONT HUSTLE,YOU ARE BENCHED—————– YOU ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING, YOU ARE BENCHED.
rob from sc
June 14th, 2009
2:54 pm
Bobby should pull Kelly now
Jake W.
June 14th, 2009
2:54 pm
I don’t know Duke, maybe he makes the most bad plays because he actually gets to the most balls and really is the best infeilder we have. Chipper isn’t getting to as many balls as he used too and KJ while not an awlful 2nd basemen sure isn’t great. 2nd year player here folks. Personally I think KJ and Esco are tied for most costly plays this year. How many double play balls has KJ just dropped and not to mention the balls he doesn’t knock down from getting in the outfield.
Oh and kirkinga gotta love this very flawed division.
Chop It Up All-star
June 14th, 2009
2:54 pm
You gonna bench Kelly too Bobby?