1:37 pm June 14, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
June 15th, 200910:44 am
I think we should try to trade Cox for the time of day – we’d get turned down by every team in organized baseball down thru and including Little League
June 15th, 200910:46 am
How about Escobar for one of those delectable young pitchers the Red Sox have plus something (not named Bay)? The Sox are dying for a run producing SS to finish off their team.
That makes more sense about Frenchy. I still wouldn’t get rid of one of the real offensive SS in the game, unless his mental lapses increase dramaticly. For every mistake he makes he has the ability to get it back with his bat. Other teams have had problems with their star SS(Reyes,Rollins) but they aren’t about to trade them.
Wednesday will complete the 1st 4 weeks without infante…………that means 2 more weeks for him and then rehab……….
BY THE NUMBERS: 24 — Runs scored for RHP Kenshin Kawakami in his first 12 starts, which partially explained his 3-6 record.
June 15th, 200910:47 am
Jersey Gil, You don’t get a free pass just because you are a HOF Coach. Some HOF mgr. have been fired.
If you expect your players to give a 100%, then expect it from the coaching staff and yourself, Mr HOF Cox.
It don’t matter who you are, what you are, there comes a time to move on. Some people just don’t realize it and everyone suffers.
God bless the USA
June 15th, 200910:50 am
On the Hawpe rumor: The Rockies would look like idiots dealing one of their best players while their team is in the midst of an eleven game winning streak. The only player mentioned that the Braves would send in return that I would question is Rohrbough. Maybe I would listen a little more closely if it were Kris Medlen.
Sure don’t want to give the Red Sox our version of Hanley Ramirez. They made that mistake with Florida, I hope we don’t do that with them. We have already proven pitching alone won’t win anything.
June 15th, 200910:51 am
monty – The Red Sox rode that “mistake” to another WS title.
June 15th, 200910:52 am
He is, without question, the worst manager EVER in the history of baseball
what a dumb thing to say. like anyone could even know that.
June 15th, 200910:53 am
Anders, I still think you’ll see some trades this July. Teams that are out of it and have players becoming free agents at the end of the year will look to deal them if they get a decent return back. For example, last year the Indians traded Casey Blake to the Dodgers and ate his remaining salary. Dodgers didn’t want to take on any money. In return, the Indians got a couple of prospects back for Blake, one of them looks like he is their catcher of the future. I agree that teams don’t want to take on money, but I think there will still be action this July.
Anders-IF he needs to? Dude.
June 15th, 200910:55 am
Anders – might be tempting to trade Escobar for more pitching, but there’s virtually nobody on the farm to replace him. I think I’d rather wave a white flag on 2009 than trade him.
June 15th, 200911:00 am
I know BC didn’t have much of a choice yesterday but I don’t like the idea of putting a young pitcher like Medlen in when the other team has just knocked out your “ace” and are on a roll. First of all the game is out of hand so Medlen isn’t going to have his adrenaline going and if he gets bombed as he did, then you risk doing physcological damage to the kid. Just not fair in my book, to drive up his ERA for a guy you possibly want to hone as a starter for next year or at least have high trade value. Put Medlen in when it means something, not when it’s batting practice for the other team.
Q&A with Mets 3rd Round Pick Robbie Shields
Shields: My favorite team growing up was the Braves and I liked Chipper Jones. I loved to watch him hit. But I guess my favorite team now is the Mets.
June 15th, 200911:01 am
Efrim- I was on here Saturday but didn’t see you. Congratulations on your Pens! You hung with them way back in December when they looked like a free fall. You deserve to bask in the victory.
Apparently the good people of Pittsburgh don’t know how to express their joy like the folks in LA? What gets into people?
Anyway – congrats. I hope there’s trading activity. I really like when a lot of teams re-shuffle the deck for the second half.
June 15th, 200911:02 am
I don’t really see the Braves trading Yunel (and I hope this move actually shakes him up), but unless he gets his emotions under control (his HBP act is getting real old, etc.) and puts his head back in the game, I’m doubting that he will ever achieve the elite status many have felt was his eventual destination.
June 15th, 200911:04 am
And he needs to lose that blond highlight job on his hair.
Let's Go Bravos!
June 15th, 200911:05 am
We should trade Escobar for an outfielder with some power. Hernandez can play SS until Infante gets back. We need to do something about KK also. He’s terrible. We are going to lose everytime he takes the mound unless the batters give him like 10 runs of support. I can’t wait until Hudson gets back and maybe we can deal KK back to Japan!!
June 15th, 200911:06 am
The suggestion of trading Escobar is ludicrous- we are a weak hitting team and we want to trade one of our best players. We cannot get value at this time- teams will try to take advantage of the situation. Don’t do anything stupid,FW.
Lew- I’m with ya. Remember when Minaya said it Reyes and Maine weren’t on the DL. You get the point.
I’ll be honest, other than yesterday’s debacle I’m enjoying the way the Mets play now. Knowing they won’t hit much long ball has changed their approach. They work pitchers again, steal bases and use the whole field at the plate. If they could finish off some of the games they lead that would help. Same problem as the last two years except it’s been more about defensive mishaps than bullpen meltdowns.
Root of the problem is me!
June 15th, 200911:08 am
RHR – How about the Mets trade Robbie Sheilds for Escobar? Everybody wins – no?
June 15th, 200911:11 am
Anders, thanks man. Still really can’t believe they won. I was a nervous wreck Friday night. Talbot’s second goal got me jumping up and down.
Hey Anders how good is that Luis Castillo at second? Made Kelly Johnson look like a gold glover!!!
June 15th, 200911:14 am
You think Theo Epstein wouldn’t over pay some to stick the young athletic Escobar at short while the Yankees and their fans look at the aging Jeter at short? Ouch.
Cox is too old to be breaking wild bucks down anymoreanyway. I doubt he has the patience to wait out Escobar’s maturation process imo.
June 15th, 200911:16 am
I agree MONTY. Bobby did Medlen more harm than good yesterday. No class Bobby.
June 15th, 200911:18 am
Frenchy compares his situation to that of a pre-trade Nate.
Bet shrinks view him as a case of a lifetime.
Can we say D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L…..
Gotten to where he kinda reminds me of Jethro Bodine. We could be looking at the next “double-naught spy” if/when the Braves send him packing.
June 15th, 200911:19 am
Bobby Cox- Castillo has been more than solid defensively this year. Of course he’s not what he once was (record for consecutive games without an error by 2nd baseman) but no complaints. He really worked hard last off season and came back 17 lbs lighter this year. He’s been real important to the team, especially with Reyes out. What happened Friday night was an anomoly for him.
June 15th, 200911:20 am
I don’t think it makes much sense to deal Escobar. He gives you above average offense and defense at the position and is controlled through 2013. He turns 27 this November, so he isn’t THAT young, but it’s far too early to think about trading the guy. You’d have to get a ransom back, and that ransom would have to include a shortstop. Escobar isn’t part of the problem with this team. He is part of the solution. The 2009 problems are the outfield and second base. McLouth should help, but they are still two players short of fielding a competitive unit there.
Also, I love that Wren is trying to get something for Francoeur, and don’t get me wrong – Cody Ross isn’t THAT great, but there is no good reason for the Marlins to accept a deal like that. Unless they are trying to save money in the long run and just plan on non tendering Francoeur a contract. Frenchy is making 1.1 million more than Ross this season, of course the Marlins rejected a deal like that. The Braves would have to add a prospect to that, a good one, most likely. And there just aren’t too many more prospects to deal, folks.
Lew, whats wrong with the blond highlight, does that make you a bad player?
61 year Braves Fan
Raphael Belliard would make a better hitting coach than Pendleton. I hope Moylan never throws
another pitch for the Braves. I hate underhanders. Remember Brad Clontz!
June 15th, 200911:21 am
No way that Tex should score all the way from first. If Castillo had half a brain…Tex would have been hosed at the plate. He had to make sure that ARod didn’t get a double? What the heck kind of thinking is that?
June 15th, 200911:23 am
“You think Theo Epstein wouldn’t over pay some to stick the young athletic Escobar at short while the Yankees and their fans look at the aging Jeter at short? Ouch.”
Anders, I’m pretty sure Epstein is high on Lowrie. I don’t think he is as good or ever will be as good as Escobar, but I’d be suprised to see Theo deal the prospects(and Lowrie) to the Braves for Esco. He’d have to be tied down to trade his beloved prospects for anyone. Not to mention, I can’t see Wren trading Escobar unless he was getting a real bounty back for the guy. With that in mind, he was the centerpiece in the Peavy non-deal. Which, looking back on it, makes me wonder what the heck we were thinking there.
June 15th, 200911:24 am
Correct, but you know they are kicking themselves to some degree. At least that’s the opinion of the BRaves announcers if they know anything about baseball. That was a good trade for both teams.I’m all for trading for a twenty game winner who will pitch lights out in the World Series. But the fact remains that the Redsox could not have seen Ramirez becoming a 30 a year HR guy having never hit more than 8 in any one year in minor league ball. They didn’t trade a 30 a year HR guy for Beckett, they traded I’m sure a guy who they figured would make a decent SS, just not a future HOF.
June 15th, 200911:25 am
Other teams front office will acknowledge their teams poor performance by making coaching changes if the players simply won’t or can’t perform well enough to win games after a period of time in an effort to show their fan base that they’re aware of what’s going on and are trying to somehow fix the problems…..Yet the Braves front office, simply does nothing to give Braves fans any hope.
Remember, Escobar was on the block during the winter in the Peavy discussions.
June 15th, 200911:26 am
whats wrong with the blond highlight, does that make you a bad player?
When they’re on Yunel Escobar…yes.
June 15th, 200911:29 am
Efrim- Rumors were that Theo was trying to see if he could get Henley back. (Which supports Monty’s seller’s regret philosophy). I’m sure that would take prospects and include Lowrie as well. He wants a power SS. He knows on fumes with Lowell and big Papi.
Never say never with Epstein. BTW- Didn’t he leave because of that Henley deal?
June 15th, 200911:31 am
you put in your long reliever in that situation, and thats what medlen is. his job was to lessen the burden on the rest of the bullpen, which is what he did.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with blonde highlights imo. Especially when you have one on each arm.
I didnt realize it, but the Braves are actually in 4th now, 6.5 games out of first while Florida has moved back ahead of us. Isnt that just grand.
Yes, It’s true…This team has no…
lets go braves1We need to do something about KK also. He’s terrible.
you are clueless.
June 15th, 200911:32 am
When does Bobby Cox look into a mirror to see that he’s the problem?
June 15th, 200911:33 am
Efrim – “The Braves are two players short” and two coaches short of a competitive team, that cannot be emphasized enough.
June 15th, 200911:35 am
Efrim, totally agree with 11:20 post concerning Escobar.
June 15th, 200911:39 am
What? You don’t want us to throw in Hanson?
It doesn’t make him a bad player-it just looks bad.
June 15th, 200911:42 am
Some hilarious posts from an alleged friend and former teammate of JF’s on Schultz blog. Only a few people on here could actually pull that off. Well done, whoever you are.
June 15th, 200911:43 am
Bobby hasn’t looked in a mirror since his beer-gut began causing eclipses in the stadium lights.
I agree that the Braves can’t fire Bobby. He will have to leave on his own. I don’t see him coming back after 2010. If his relationship with Wren is as bad as some have said, he may retire after this season. He probably wants to go out with a team that makes the playoffs but that doesn’t look too good this season.
June 15th, 200911:45 am
I don’t think the Braves can trade for all the pieces they need during the season without way over paying. I think FW is going to have to wait until the offseason, and then work on major overhauls at several positions.
2B, LF, and RF are the obvious positions that need help. If the right move could be made, FW might want to consider changes at 1B and SS as well… Also, we need a backup 3B (just sayin) and probably 2-3 different arms in the bullpen.
At what point does some of the blame of having a 3rd and 4th place team for the last 3 years go to Bobby Cox?
We are now the Pittsburg Pirates of the NL East. Uggh.
And we don’t even have the Penquins or Steelers to fall back on. Double Uggh.
June 15th, 200911:46 am
If Bos. really wants Yunel bad enough, I’d demand Ellsbury be a part of the deal. Don’t want Yunel traded though, he just too valuable. But, if the price is right, maybe…
LetsGoBravos “We need to do something about KK also. He’s terrible. We are going to lose everytime he takes the mound unless the batters give him like 10 runs of support.”
Do you actually watch baseball? Last 5 starts:
5 IP 2 ER
6 IP 3 ER
7 IP 3 ER
5.2 IP 3 ER
8 IP 0 ER
That’s 11 ER in his past 31.2 innings for a 3.17 ERA. Terrible!
June 15th, 200911:49 am
We are now the Pittsburg Pirates of the NL East.
Yep. Hang tight for the next 15 years, you guys. It’s gonna get ugly.
June 15th, 200911:51 am
Even though the Braves will probably finish at .500 this year, with the way the pitching staff is doing so good, more players will probably want to play for the Braves next year because of it. Free agents will look at the starting staff and say, you know, their starting staff was pretty good but they just lacked offense, maybe I will sign and see if I can help. So who knows.
Born2Buzz and others: I agree that Bobby is the cause of most of this. This Braves team is an average/.500 team, but as soon as Bobby gets involved making in-game decisions, the team is a .400 team. He just never seems to make the right moves. More often than not, the moves he makes are obvious bad moves and cause the team to lose.
This team cannot win this year with a bad manager and a non-existent hitting coach.
June 15th, 200911:53 am
The Braves can’t hit, so they’re thinking about trading one of the 2 or 3 guys on the team that can hit. Amazing!!! Yunel would probably welcome being traded to a team that wants to win.
June 15th, 200911:54 am
Kenshin Kawakami (whose jersey I plan on buying) is gutsy, and I like it. He may walk a few and give up a home run, but he will keep the Braves in the game. I say we keep Kawakami.
June 15th, 200911:56 am
salamander2B, LF, and RF are the obvious positions that need help. If the right move could be made, FW might want to consider changes at 1B and SS as well… Also, we need a backup 3B (just sayin) and probably 2-3 different arms in the bullpen.
1B and SS are staying put. we will have prado and infante again next season (takes care of the 3B backup)
so we are left with 2B, RF and LF.
to me, its a given jeff wont be here next year, im not sure about KJ though. he might still pull out a decent season and make wren want to keep him. but, there are alot of good free agents at those positions that could be had on short commitments this offseason.
orlando hudson and felipe lopez are both 2B free agents. both are switch hitters and solid players.
the outfielders i really like if we could get them are carl crawford, jason bay, obviously, but he will probably cost to much, mike cameron, xavier nady, jermaine dye.
June 15th, 200911:57 am
getsomepower – Might I reccomend some velcro lettering and numbering when you purchase your Kawakami jersey?
June 15th, 200911:58 am
Is Peter Moylan this years Blaine Boyer, the reliever that Bobby just keeps running out there to lose game after game after game?
June 15th, 200912:00 pm
I believe Bobby will voluntarily retire after the season. If not, I suspect it’ll be strongly suggested (by the suits) that he do so.
June 15th, 200912:03 pm
Yep. Hang tight for the next 15 years, you guys. It’s gonna get ugly.
What? No Argh! joke?
June 15th, 200912:06 pm
how about reed johnson for an outfield option next year? the guy has really had a fairly solid career so far, hits righthanded and can play all three outfield spots. a decent option for the outfield, i think.
I bet you nobody is wearing #11, so I’m gonna get it. he’s our gutsiest pitcher.
Keeping It Real
June 15th, 200912:08 pm
Chipper has no protection in the line up. He gets nothing to hit? How many times has he come up with no one on base? This team is really bad as witnessed by the last two series with Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
The solution for Atlanta is to get rid of the entire team instead picking on TP, Frenchy, Escobar, Garrett Anderson etc. It seems like none of the current players are particularly interested in playing for the Braves. Most of them except the ones mentioned above should be in Triple A. The Gwinnett Triple A squad is not much better, so it might be good to unload some guys and bring up the kids. Anything is better than this no-hit, no-speed team the Braves trot out every day.They are boring, boring, boring. The bad teams of the 1980’s were more exciting than this bunch of over paid chumps.
June 15th, 200912:12 pm
I don’t like my thoughts on the Braves at this time, but I really think it’s time for a firesale. We’re going nowhere this year. We put a few players on the untouchable list and everyone else goes on the block for prospects.
Everyone else goes on the block.
June 15th, 200912:13 pm
They should also fire the announcers that the Braves have presently. They are more boring than the Braves team.
June 15th, 200912:17 pm
Keeping it Real Chipper has no protection in the line up.
Thanks a lot.
.327 AVG .422 OBP .531 SLG
Yeah, no protection from that…
June 15th, 200912:18 pm
getsomepower – Your gutsiest pitcher is getting ready to join the Red Sox pen. He might be firing his hard stuff at your boys later this month. That should be interesting.
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June 15th, 200912:19 pm
Keeping it Real Most of them except the ones mentioned above should be in Triple A.
3 (almost 4)-time All-Star, 2-time Silver Slugger belongs in AAA…?
Chipper belongs in AAA…?
MFin14 – That’s a reasonable list.
June 15th, 200912:21 pm
I guess the “So easy a Caveman can do it” line doesn’t apply to this blog?
Someone rescue that guy.
June 15th, 200912:22 pm
I love Chipper and I realize his contract is compensated for years past, but the older he gets the more and more he turns into a great option at the DH. But unless the NL is going to change rules…I think it’s time to say goodbye to Chipper. He has a heck of a lot of value currently.
June 15th, 200912:23 pm
Good morning! You know, it is a sad day (or evening) when I have to avoid watching ESPNews just so I don’t have to see #24’s ugly face smirking into my living room…and to keep the contents of my stomach from erupting….
lord I hate the lakers
June 15th, 200912:24 pm
From nbcsports.com’s “Circling The Bases”:
Orioles 11, Braves 2: Brad Bergesen has only given up six runs in his last 32 innings. Not that he needed to be that good against the Braves on Sunday, as Ty Wigginton hit two home runs and Robert Andino drove in three runs and freakin’ stole home. The steal was on a botched rundown play so it was not some feat of derring-do. That botch caused Bobby Cox to pull Yunel Escobar from the game. I can’t recall Jeff Francoeur ever getting pulled out of a game for doing something stupid (and it’s certainly not for a lack of opportunity) so why Escobar had to go I have no idea. I can only guess that Francoeur has Bobby Cox’s grandchildren locked in a tower someplace and vows not to release them unless he’s given 160 starts a year.
June 15th, 200912:25 pm
I will retype the short version — these wacky , crazy trade scenarios you guys come up with are hilarious. Every other week you propose a 3 for 1 trade to get a power bat in the outfield. MLB would never let a team make trades like it’s a fantasy league .
Hell last night we had a guy on here who worked the drive-thru at Krystal’s, then claimed to own 3 Krystal’s franchises, and wanted to make a 5 for 3 trade. That’s what we got on here now, fantasy league trades and “burger-flipping bloggers”. (say that 3 times real fast)
June 15th, 200912:26 pm
MFin04I think it’s time to say goodbye to Chipper. He has a heck of a lot of value currently.
it just doesnt make any sense, MFin. how does that make this team better? folks proposing a firesale of this really dont understand what state it is in. its just weird to hear. doesnt make any sense.
This team has too many holes to fill. They might be possible to fill this season, but I just don’t see how a budget conscious team could fill all of the holes.
(And of course the Bobby Cox and TP thing)
MFin04 – I said it last off season that the right play for Chipper was to be traded to the AL. I got lambasted repeatedly for it. I still think that’s where he needs to play. He just can’t play enough in the NL imo.
Sheffield’s showing the same thing with the Mets right now. His bat came alive when he was able to DH. I wouldn’t be shocked if the right deal came along where the Mets could move him to an AL team for a 1st baseman or something that they might do it. He’s proved he can still hit MLB pitching and you only have to pay him $400K. That’s quite a trading chip for Omar.
June 15th, 200912:28 pm
What? No Argh! joke?
[holds up hook]
I don’t want to get into an Argh-ument about it.
June 15th, 200912:30 pm
DAP – the team has two options.
1) Find one great bat or two average bats to add to this team in the next month or so
2) Battle for 3rd in the division with the Marlins
Trading Chipper doesn’t make this team a winning team, but after watching the Orioles series…is this team really a winning team?
The team/Bobby Cox find ways to lose games they have no business losing.
Steve from OH
June 15th, 200912:31 pm
Someone rescue that guy
Haven’t you heard? It’s the Braves that need rescuing. We need to get rid of 22 players on our roster, fire Wren (because he’s an @ss, you know), fire Cox (donkey), get rid of Liberty Media (cheap b@stards, even though we’re around 100MM in payroll), and get rid of Pendleton (because he can’t make Loaf younger and can’t teach Francoeur how to take pitches). We would replace them with Coach (GM, because he so called that Greg Norton thing a few years back, and because he’s apparently less of an @ss than Frank Wren), Robert (manager, and he’s the same species as Cox, so the players wouldn’t need too much adjustment time), and MFin09 (hitting coach, he played tee-ball that one time, so you know he’s qualified). We’d replace the 22 players we just cut with the Gwinnett club, because they’re soooo much better than us right now, of course.
June 15th, 200912:33 pm
He has a heck of a lot of value currently.
His value to this club is more than his trade value right now, buffoon.
because he can’t make Loaf younger
Yeah…I mean, even I can do that. Geez…
June 15th, 200912:34 pm
Jeff Francoeur for Dontrelle Willis.
I fully understand what a long reliever’s role is. That wasn’t my point. But there are different situations in which you can use long relief. You can have a starter leave with an injury early in a game, you can be ahead in a game but the other team shows signs of coming back, say you were up 10-0 but now it’s the 4th inning and it’s 10-6. You bring your long reliever in to protect the lead and give you 3-4 innings. I know BC had no choice but to use Medlen yesterday, I just think personally that you use a (young) guy when he has something to pitch for, rather than asking him to “take one for the team”. That was a tough assignment yesterday to come in and pitch when you know your team has no chance of coming back, where you are flat emotionally and you don’t feel the excitement and you get touched up a bit by a team that’s having a great day at the plate. Suddenly your respectable ERA jumps big time! A grisled old veteran like a(Carlisle) who totally understands his value to the team wouldn’t be bothered nearly as much as your young future starter might be. That’s all I was saying.
June 15th, 200912:36 pm
The Angels Torii Hunter hit 3 HR’s Sunday. The last Angel to hit 3 before Hunter? Garrett Anderson.
June 15th, 200912:37 pm
MFin04This team has too many holes to fill. They might be possible to fill this season, but I just don’t see how a budget conscious team could fill all of the holes.
lets assume the braves dont exercise hudson’s option and release frenchy. coming off the payroll will be hudson $12mil, frenchy $3.4 mil, anderson $2.5mil, soriano $6.1mil, gonzalez $3.4mil, norton$.8mil. those are the guys who are up for free agency off the top of my head.
that equals $28.2mil from two guys who arent contributing, two guys who are part of the problem, and two more who share the same job. wren can solve the problems the braves have this offseason, if payroll stays the same. he has plenty to work with, and the braves are in good shape financially.
June 15th, 200912:38 pm
“Jeff Francoeur for Dontrelle Willis.”
June 15th, 200912:39 pm
Steve you have a lot of anger in you…let it out…let it out, lol. Wow. This team isn’t going to compete while Chipper is still in the bigs. Reality is that this team really is a young team that is rebuilding.
McLouth, McCann, Jair, Hanson, Medlen, Escobar, Infante, (KJ), (Frenchy), Heyward, Schafer, etc.
June 15th, 200912:40 pm
Here’s an odd pitching line from last night:
Jacob Thompson went six scoreless innings for Myrtle, giving up only 1 hit and striking out 4, but walking six(!) batters over that span. Yikes.
It was a joke.
June 15th, 200912:41 pm
MFin04 trading chipper throws in the towel on this season and hurts our chances in the future. not a good idea.
monty ok. i think medlen will be fine. if hes not, he should go back to AAA, because up here, thats his job.
June 15th, 200912:43 pm
I do see a point in time where Chipper (due to nagging injuries) just won’t be able to field his position adequately. How far are we from that time? I don’t know, but I do know that as much as I like Chipper(favorite player) Prado showed an immediate improvement defensively the other night at 3rd. Chipper may have to finish out his career as a DH in the AL. I’m quite sure he wants his 500 HR’s.
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