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lagnamor
June 3rd, 2009
7:22 pm
Done deal…Great Move…Both of them.
bravos2249
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Ok I said it earlier unless they signed a bat and released Glavine I would be okay…..I AM.
Schafer's Facial Expression
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
wtf
TnBrian
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Can’t complain about the guys sent for NM. WOW, thought for sure it would’ve been a little more than that. Good trade, for both sides, but especially us. I’m excited
Pete
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
J-X: “I can’t count how many times I have read “we have released another future hall of famer”, I don’t care if he is a future president of the USA. Right now I find it very hard to believe that anybody will make a solid argument that Glavine is the best arm we can throw out there on the fifth day”
Youre being way too logical, so get ready to be hammered on here
FloridaBrave
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
The Braves acquired one of the best CFers in the game- who happens to be signed through 2012 to a relatively cheap contract- without trading their four top prospects in Heyward, Hanson, Freeman, and Medlen.
That’s fantastic work from Wren.
Marty Perez
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Too bad it wasn’t Jo Jo instead of Morton, but I get the sense there was some questions about Morton’s toughness, so there you go. Good thing it wasn’t Medlen.
Jeff321
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Diaz swings at ball four..
willieg
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
its about time the braves called up tommy hanson good ridance glavine , now at least the braves will be compettitive
Tomas
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Nate Mclouth. Oh yeah.
Lawton
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Roxtar:
Gorkys Hernandez is one of the top OF prospects in all ofg minor league baseball — maybe the best defensively. Locke is a guy who has been somewhat erratic but is viewed to have great stuff and a very high ceiling in terms of potential. Charlie Morton has been pitches lights out at the AAA level, but has been more miss than hit at the major league level. he has good stuff and knows how to pitch but struggles with confidence at times.
John
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
wow wow wow
Go Frank Wren!!!!
Lost Gorkys by Mclouth is good
Poor Tom Glavine!
JJ
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
Hell yes baby. This day just keeps getting better!!!
RemoW
June 3rd, 2009
7:23 pm
How many years of control left on Mclouth?
Jim
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
Could be the best trade the Braves have made since getting McGriff, or the Red Schoedienst deal in 1957. Gave up nothing, really – got a whole lot.
Steve from OH
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
Hmm…Locke wasn’t impressing this year but I wonder if FW sold a bit low on him…
dogsbrekky
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
McLouth is a gunner
10 hr and 35 rbi yes ?
GG in ‘08, steals bases
nh FW sir !
OHBravesGirl
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
I agree, Notewise – the Glavine move by the Braves was totally unprofessional. They’ll run Jojo out there for how many starts, but they can’t be bothered to give up a measly (in baseball terms) $1 million to end on good terms with a former Braves icon? Unprofessional to say the least…watch him go into the Hall with a Mets hat, and we’ll all be upset.
I’m not saying we needed him in the rotation this year, but it was wrong for the Braves to send him through multiple rehab starts if they were just going to release him in the end. They should’ve made that clear at the end of spring training and let him choose to end or continue his career on his terms.
FaninFaytown
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
thanks pete… appreciate the “NEWS”
Schafer's Facial Expression
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
Can’t believe it didn’t at least take Medlin.
lagnamor
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
Schaefer to RF and Frenchy gone!
kirkinga
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
Darn, I hate to see Morton go, but at least the Braves didn’t trade him for Mark Derosa as some here wanted them to do.
wjones
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
Well, with McLouth it does give us some options in the OF. If Schafer gets straight in Gwinnett, and Frenchy flounders, the Braves have choices.
woogidy
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
David O’Brien
May 23rd, 2009
12:10 pm
Woogidy, Pirates aren’t trading McLouth, from what I was told this winter. He’s one you build around, not trade.
So there.
THWG
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
So, Schafer is now trade bait or what?
braves phanatic
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
wow. no medlen?
Vinings Jim
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
My mood has done a 360 in the past couple of hours (and I mean that – the first 180 on the Glavine news, then another 180 on the Hanson/McClouth news).
Interested Observer
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Powell just said McLouth is making $2.5 million this year. Isn’t that about the remaining incentives Glavine could have earned?
Unknown
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
I dont know if anybody has mentioned this yet but the Braves got McLouth for Locke, Morton, and Hernandez. lol.
klesko12
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Of Course under TP’s tuteledge Mclouth is good for at least a 25 point drop in avg and 5 less hr’s per season
Lawton
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Hmmm. the Renteria deal is looking even better now, I would say.
Barry
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Pittsburgh is reporting Mclouth was traded to the Braves. Anything from DOB on here?? Im scared to find out for what
TheManMike
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Someone needs to let the dugout know of the trade….they look depressed…
WestCoastBrave
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Today is a great day to be Braves fan: Glavine out, great trade for Mclouth, Hanson coming up, BOOYAHHHHHHHH!!!
We ’bout to dominate on that NL East son!!!
JJ
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Awesome, awesome news!!!
Pat
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Nate McLouth
2/09: Signed three-year, $15.75 million contract w/2012 option and $1.25 million signing bonus. 2009: $2 million, 2010: $4.5 million, 2011: $6.5 million, 2012: $10.65 million club option ($1.25 million buyout), 2013: Free Agent
WestCoastBrave
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
Is anyone watching the game?
Steve from OH
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
I think this means that Schafer may be out right fielder of the future now…
TBF(n)K as Billy
June 3rd, 2009
7:25 pm
feed us DOB were hungray for info….
TheManMike
June 3rd, 2009
7:26 pm
I would like to add that WREN is looking like a damn good PR guy……..Glavine who?
McFann :Ô:
June 3rd, 2009
7:26 pm
Gee wiz! What’d you even bring your bat up there for?
Goldenglove002
June 3rd, 2009
7:26 pm
Holy crap, McClouth!?!?!?! I’m happy now
wiki
June 3rd, 2009
7:26 pm
Great deal….still kept Medlen too. Gorkys not needed now anyway.
I guess the Gwinnett Braves’ rotation just got really thin!
Just bought tix for Saturday Night….first row behind the Brewers dugout to see Tommy debut.
McFann :Ô:
June 3rd, 2009
7:26 pm
WestCoastBrave Is anyone watching the game?
Unfortunately, yes.
Schafer's Facial Expression
June 3rd, 2009
7:27 pm
Number of days between seeing Schafer isn’t ready and getting a proven CF: two.
Number of times Glavine left us for business reasons: one
Number of minutes b*tching at Wren for being the most aggressive GM in the NL East: zero
Foggy Notion
June 3rd, 2009
7:27 pm
I disagree that the Glavine and Smoltz situations are similar. Glavine lost goodwill for bolting to the Mets years ago; Smoltz was revered for giving his arm (literally) to the Braves. Gotta love the fact that Wren blunts the PR storm for releasing Glavine with the McClouth deal and the Hanson call-up. Say what you want about Wren (and much has been written here) but he is no dummy. Bottom line – he is trying to make the Braves better and I respect that.
J-X
June 3rd, 2009
7:27 pm
Mclouth Killed us last year!! He is a great addition, and I don’t think this has to effect Schafer negatively, give schafer all the time he needs in the minors, if he can turn around his swing then he can play in left or right, if we’re not going to hit for alot of power at least we would have the best defensive outfield in the league,
schafer, mclouth, and frenchy would be a great defensive outfield.
Elements
June 3rd, 2009
7:28 pm
woogidy – Point is that younger players may be less willing to take discounts to stay w/Braves long term when they know the Braves won’t return the loyalty in the future. More than loyalty, at least handle popular players, especially hall of fame players, w/more respect at the end of their run w/the Braves. Plus, I think PR is important – to both players and fans.
As it stands, Smoltz and Glavine may have bitter feelings toward the Braves and choose to go into the HoF wearing anything but a Braves uni. Oh well, the game goes on.
Necromancer
June 3rd, 2009
7:28 pm
Hanson has been called up..starts against the Brew Crew on Saturday..Medlen to the bullpen.
Slugger (http://www.theweeklyscene.com)
June 3rd, 2009
7:28 pm
Powell talking about how the Renteria deal with Detroit has kept paying dividends (Gorkys).
jason
June 3rd, 2009
7:28 pm
Is it true? Braves traded for mcLouth? What I read, that was DAMN good deal for ATL. With Hanson coming up? Seriously, Is FW reading DOB’s Blog?
RHR
June 3rd, 2009
7:29 pm
For the 2nd day in a row I go dark off the internets for a couple hours and come back to shocking news.. I don’t disagree with the decision but I’m not a fan of how it was done. I guess payback for Glav going to the Mets has finally come. Tommy Glavine is one of my childhood heros, I’ll always be a fan and wish him well in where ever he goes, whatever he does.
With that being said…Let the Hanson era begin. I am very excited that not only do we get Hanson but we also get to keep Medlen in the ‘pen. What a dream come true for those two to make it together.
Also encouraging to read Frankie say this; “Our duty is to give those 25 players down there the best opportunity to win and to play in October.” I said something similar on the blog (except it was to give it to the fans, not the players) and it is very encouraging to hear it from the GM.
DOB – did you have any inkling about what might happen with Glavine or is this a total shock to those close to the team? (Maybe you’ve answered this, I gotta go back and read)
Slugger (http://www.theweeklyscene.com)
June 3rd, 2009
7:29 pm
FW gives us a little crow. Releases Tommy then announces Mclouth an hour later…
Vinings Jim
June 3rd, 2009
7:29 pm
woogidy – I couldn’t remember who brought it up, or when, but I remembered Dave’s reply. Good call, buddy!
abwright
June 3rd, 2009
7:29 pm
I’m still trying to catch up on all the news of the day. Looked like a slow morning and afternoon. Then, BAM…
Glavine, Morton, Locke, Hernandez gone.
McLouth a Brave and probably the new centerfielder.
I remember last year seeing him for the first time against Atlanta and saying, “Wow, if we could only pry this guy away from the Pirates.”
This guy was a legitimate lead off hitter and a great fielder. He was playing right field for the Pirates early last year, if memory serves.
J-X
June 3rd, 2009
7:29 pm
Elements:
I completely disagree, younger players mean they can get better!!! Instead of just getting worse and worse and worse!!! How can you make an argument that getting younger is not a good thing?
Pennski
June 3rd, 2009
7:29 pm
Necromancer, about 1hr late, but good try Bud
Joe Schmoe
June 3rd, 2009
7:29 pm
I see Schaf here later, but fenchy’s time is running out.
Flat Bill Kid
June 3rd, 2009
7:30 pm
McLouth wow. Wren haters now where you at? McLouth’s contract is around 2.5 mil. Sure glad we saved that money from Glavine. WREN WREN WREN. Control over him till 2012. WREN is the man.
Chop Chop
June 3rd, 2009
7:30 pm
Fangraphs ain’t high on McLouth. Neither is The Fielding Bible. In fact, The Fielding Bible had McLouth last in baseball among centerfielders in runs saved over the last three seasons.
He won the Gold Glove for his offense in center. Funny how that happens, right?
kirkinga
June 3rd, 2009
7:30 pm
Where’s Schafer going to play? Could he be a centerpiece for another trade once he gets going?
o-me
June 3rd, 2009
7:31 pm
Pirates didn’t want Frenchy, that should tell u something.
Slugger (http://www.theweeklyscene.com)
June 3rd, 2009
7:31 pm
All -
McClouth means Schafer now has the ultimate incentive to put up or shut up… now watch Schafer’s production and the magic holes in his swing tighten up.
Great day today, Frank. I haven’t felt the same about Tommy since he left for the Mets the first time, and I certainly think you send the right message to the Golden (Sombrero) Boy, Jordan Schafer.
I still want Jordan to work his tail off and become a star (but in Left Field!).
Can you imagine that OF?
Unknown
June 3rd, 2009
7:31 pm
Good day to be a Braves fan. Hanson starting Saturday and we got Nate friggin McLouth, way to go FW.
David O'Brien
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
By David O’Brien
dobrien@ajc.com
The Braves continued a busy day by trading three prospects to the Pittsburgh Pirates for center fielder Nate McLouth, one day after sending struggling center fielder Jordan Schafer back to Class AAA Gwinnett.
Right-hander Charlie Morton, center fielder Gorkys Hernandez and left-hander Jeff Locke are going to the Pirates in exchange for McLouth, 27, who made the National league All-Star team and won a Gold Glove in 2008 in his fourth season in the majors.
After hitting .276 with a league-high 46 doubles, 26 homers and 94 RBIs in 2008, McLouth has hit .256 with nine homers, 34 RBIs and a .349 OBP this season. He also has seven stolen bases, after stealing 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007.
The Braves paid a big price, trading away Morton, who was 7-2 with a 2.51 ERA in 10 starts at Gwinnett, and Hernandez, 21, one of baseball’s top 100 prospects according to Baseball America.
Hernandez was batting .316 with 11 doubles, two triples, 19 RBIs and 10 stolen bases in 52 games at Class AA Mississippi, despite being one of the youngest players in that league.
Necromancer
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
Wren’s been reading our blog…
FloridaBrave
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
kirkinga,
I think Schafer slides into one of the corner OF spots next year, either replacing Anderson or Francouer.
Tomahawk Matt
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
McGRIFF…
McLOUTH…
I see some big similarities.
Sorry Tom… except that remember when you were a NY Met for 5 years.
GO BRAVES!
go lowe!!!
Pete
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
Foggy Notion: “Say what you want about Wren (and much has been written here) but he is no dummy. Bottom line – he is trying to make the Braves better and I respect that.”
Me too. Wonder where all the FW bashers are hiding now?
J-X
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
Elements:
I understand the PR thing, but it is a business, and the players are more concerned with being competetive every year than being babied and getting special treatment when they get to the twilight of their career. Stars want to win, and if they believe we will run this organization to be competitive every year, then that will help us. Don’t you think?
Slugger (http://www.theweeklyscene.com)
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
All -
Braves invested too much playing time in Jordan Schafer for them not to have almost permanent long-term plans for him.
He’s not going anywhere, not with the investment they already made.
Unless he goes down to the minors and hits .050 in like 300 ABs, they’ll just try him again next year. Meanwhile, I think GA and Heyward will spend a loooot of time next year
Vinings Jim
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
RHR – the other day, when Bobby said they had three options for Glavine, I wondered if something was up.
RHR
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
Charlie Morton, aw man. Love him. Best of luck to him.
But again WAY TO GO FRANKIE. DAMN.
Joe Schmoe
June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm
Schafer isnt going anywhere, if its anything it will be bye bye to Frenchy.
Pennski
June 3rd, 2009
7:33 pm
O-me, why on earth would you know about who Frank Wren offered in the trade? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Some of you guys are just tools and hate him b/c the dude probably screwed your gf in highschool.
Get over yourself
bravos2249
June 3rd, 2009
7:33 pm
Interested Observer
yup
HerbG
June 3rd, 2009
7:33 pm
Wren has managed to run off two 300 game winners in his first year. What’s not to like about that? Chipper is the next target for a knife in the back.
Necromancer
June 3rd, 2009
7:33 pm
well, at least now it looks like the Braves are trying to shake off the shackles of mediocrity…
Slugger (http://www.theweeklyscene.com)
June 3rd, 2009
7:33 pm
D*mn you DOB, I do not post comments to quickly.
Mitchie-san
June 3rd, 2009
7:33 pm
Frank Wren is the man!
boutTHATmouf
June 3rd, 2009
7:33 pm
can i listen to the anywhere online?
Mike
June 3rd, 2009
7:33 pm
Releasing Glavine like this is absolutely Bush League. This team is in a free fall as far as direction and leadership. Get used to the cellar Atlanta because that’s exactly where you’re headed.
RHR
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
Looks like Frankie took Coach’s warning about the June freight train seriously.
buzzmeat
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
when does mclouths contract expire? none of the news says it this year or do we have him in 2010 as well. P.s. mlbtraderumors sayd Hanson pitches saturday????? this true DOB?
Jeremiah
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
I LIKE this trade!
wiki
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
Projecting McLouth’s ‘09 stats over the entire season yield this:
31 HR
117 RBI
24 SB
David O'Brien
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
You talk about your major upgrades — McLouth is one of the best CFs in baseball, defensively and offensively. His nine homers are four more than any Brave, and his seven stolen bases (in seven attempts) is five more than any Brave.
coach smith
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
everyone……SCHAFER has to learn to HIT MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING before he plays ANYWHERE for the Braves
Great deal for the Braves…A leadoff hitter with power and speed.
Pennski
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
Great work here DOB
K with a K
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
I love the McLouth deal. I think the Glavine move was total bush league. You don’t let the guy rehab all the way to the point of return IMO. I understand moving on but I don’t like the way Wren handled it. Love that Hanson is up. I think Schfer stays AAA rest of the year unless you move Frenchy. Either way Frenchy is going to walk after this year you move Nate to RF and Schafer playes CF when Hayword is ready you put him in LF. Future outfield Hayword,Schafer,McLouth…outfield poblems solved!!!!
Mike
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
Is Frank Wren related to Matt Millen?
Schafer's Facial Expression
June 3rd, 2009
7:34 pm
HerbG, Chipper signed a contract. Nice try at grumpiness, though.
RHR
June 3rd, 2009
7:35 pm
Good point, Jim. I haven’t really been following the Glavine news but I remember seeing that headline. Maybe it wasn’t a complete shock to the Glavines.
Interested Observer
June 3rd, 2009
7:35 pm
McLouth might be enough to get Bobby to move Kelly out of the leadoff spot!
c jonze
June 3rd, 2009
7:35 pm
If Gorkys was traded, it seems that McLouth may be the new bridge to Jordan, and then one can move to left or right… Finally, some speed.
Steve from OH
June 3rd, 2009
7:35 pm
Chop Chop–maybe they plan to use him in right? I wasn’t aware of those Fielding Bible numbers. I like the fielding bible better than fangraphs’ UZR, for reasons I cannot objectively prove.
How is his throwing arm?
Braindawg
June 3rd, 2009
7:35 pm
Good trade for the bravos. Nate McCloud on the way.
TBF(n)K as Billy
June 3rd, 2009
7:35 pm
did we give up 1 year of E renteria for 6 yrs of JJ and 3 of McClouth?
Cole Train
June 3rd, 2009
7:35 pm
Glavine can cry all he wants….he left us high and dry three years ago when he left us. We owe him NOTHING.
Pete
June 3rd, 2009
7:36 pm
OHBravesGirl: “I’m not saying we needed him in the rotation this year, but it was wrong for the Braves to send him through multiple rehab starts if they were just going to release him in the end. They should’ve made that clear at the end of spring training and let him choose to end or continue his career on his terms.”
Just to be clear…..you think the Braves knew BEFORE they “sent him through multiple rehab starts” that they were going to release him? Give me a break.