2:22 pm June 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 3rd, 20096:55 pm
While I love the fact that Hanson is now here and Medlen is in the BP, let’s not forget that it isn’t the pitching that’s holding this team back. It’s still the anemic offense. So unless Hanson brings a pretty big bat with him, we’re still going to suck at scoring runs.
Medlin was in the bullpen before in the minors he’ll probably do well in the minors and see if he can make the rotation next year. Hanson will live up to the hype even if he doesn’t do well the first couple of starts the guy is legit. He’s probably the best pitching prospect the Braves have produced since Avery.
Braindawg: “Wow the Braves have let a future hof’er go again. Instead of letting him finish his career where it started, they released Tom Glavine. Wow, they have no class.”
Where were you when Glavine decided he did NOT want to continue his career with Atlanta about 6 years ago?
FlatBillKid, some of these people are speaking/typing out of the moment and not realizing they were the ones bashing the man for so long. Just halarious!
2008 Atlanta Falcons roster changes…….what more is there to say on proper strategy?
June 3rd, 20096:56 pm
Chipper is probably thinking about damn time they are calling up Hanson.
How are you guys ripping the Braves as an “unclassy” organization because of this move? Are you kidding me? We gave this guy EVERY chance to pitch for us for TWO seasons now! How the hell were we supposed to know he’d get hurt again? And why would we just release him then? It wouldn’t have saved us any money, and there was no way to know it would take this long for him to be ready to pitch again. Now that it’s time to decide (i.e. pay him an extra million, or release him), we decided it was better NOT to have a guy who hasn’t proven he’ll be able to stay on the field anyway.
Why in God’s name would you even HAVE these kind of salary incentives in a players contract if you’re not going to use them when it’s necessary?
Hanson starting on Saturday??? All right…Man, that would have been extra sweet if it was Sunday instead (goin’ to the game Sunday).
Why is Campillo on the DL?
June 3rd, 20096:57 pm
Everybody remember – Glavine aggreed to defer the majority of his money over the next like 5 years. This is a movie to get Tommy H his shot. Has to be.
just picked tommy hanson up in both of my fantasy leagues….can you say:
The manmike- You must not know the Phillies situation if they get anybody that can pitch AT ALL besides Hammels they would blow the division away. They are still 4 1/2 game up on us with a team era of 4.98.Thats 27th in all of baseball. You laugh this situation has a stick to ATL written all over it in late September. Laugh all you want
Bust all Unions
If Hanson is starting Saturday, is Medlan going down or to the bullpen? Definitive word?
Well, I now have tickets to Saturday’s game.
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
DFA Jeff Bennett!!
June 3rd, 20096:58 pm
Am I the only one that thinks Escobar’s hip was hurting on the “HBP” and it all wasn’t an act?
Train Wreck Bystander
I think it’s shabby to release Glavine like this. He did what the organization asked of him.
If the front office had cold feet, they should have made this call in the off-season, not here in June days before he would have rejoined the Braves.
Very, very shabby.
To refresh my opinion after an hour of it sinking in, I am excited to have Hanson starting, I wish the Glavine situation had played out differently, but so it goes.. When you get to the bottom line, I have to believe this is the best thing for the team, despite thinking that somehow the situation could have been handled better for Glavine. Since the late spring we knew Hanson was almost ready (of course, most thought the same of Schafer), so maybe that was the time to reconsider. Oh, yeah, life goes on, long after the thrill of being a hall-of-fame pitcher is gone.
Oh man, I hope Hanson does well in his debut after all this excitement…
This is a sad day for Braves management. Frank Wren is a total disgrace to the Atlanta Braves.
Bobby on the Lemke show right now:
-[on Lilly] “We’re facing ‘our guy,’ Ted Lilly”
-[on Moylan] “more he get’s out there, the better he’s getting”
-[on O'Flaherty] “best kept secret in the bullpen”
-[on the team's attitude] “these guys don’t ever stop trying and go out there and compete every night, they never quit”
June 3rd, 20096:59 pm
I am shocked that We released Glavine, where did that come from? Gave him a million dollars o rehab, he was likely ready and probably would have done a good job out of the 5th starter spot, so what just happened?
I’m thinking this is just one in a series of moves on the OF. The only reason I can see for his release was that it could save 3 million dollars that can now be used towards an OF. Blanco must just be temporary, as he is not going to be any help. Either a FA signing or trade in the next 10 days, I’d put money on it.
I guess it’s Hanson’s turn now, sure will be nice to see him up. Let the debut fracas begin!
Hey TnBrian you STFU! The Braves handled this badly. That is not sentimental, that is just common sense. You obviously lack common sense because you can’t see it when it’s in front of your idiot eyes!
I’d like to see FW offer Glav TP’s job. After all, chicks dig the long ball.
SO I’m guessing the Braves rather have spent that 1 million on bringing up Barton and Hanson….that’s okay with me.
June 3rd, 20097:00 pm
O.K. then why did they sign him in the first place? Frank Wren needs to go, go now. He has turned a fine organization into just another “business”. He isn’t anything more than a shill for Liberty Media, making sure they don’t overspend and he gets his bonus. I have tickets for the game on Sunday, my Grandson’s 7th Birthday. It was what he asked for from me. I will have to tell him now that we will, unfortunately, never go to another Braves game again. I know he will be disappointed and, I am sorry for that but, he needs to know now that being a Brave Fan just isn’t the right thing to do anymore. I don’t care that everyone says it just “Looks Bad”, it is bad, and the wrong thing to do at the wrong time to do it. I hope the Braves draw about 50 people a game for the rest of the season. Loyalty means nothing to them, why should it mean anything to me. I have been a Braves fan since 1971, when I was on active duty in the Air Force, stationed at Warner Robins GA. I have followed them ever since and have lived and died with them over the period of 38 years. No more, not after today. Say what you want all of you stat freaks, tell me this was a necessary business move, give me all the reasons why this is a “good move” and how they will use that money to get another bat (they won’t, cheap jack@$$e$). I don’t give a flying c#@p. This was Bush League they deserve the cellar and, I hope Chipper demands a trade to a decent organization, Brian McCann gets out of town as soon as he can and Chad Lowe finds a way to get out of his contract. Bobby, tell this organization to “pack it” and retire.
Flat Bill Kid
TnBrian, I’m just shaking my head at those cats. They make me laugh too.
June 3rd, 20097:01 pm
Lifelong Braves fan here who is absolutely embarrassed! I guess I was raised on the premise that you don’t screw someone even in the name of business.
Now for all you people who want to slam Glavine or bemoan the Braves having to pay him if he made the active roster, screw you! You just show what you’re made of by condoning this!
If the Braves didn’t want to commit to Glavine, they should have told him before he went through all the rehab stuff.
If I were Glavine, I would be PIZZED!
There is a difference between deciding to go another direction and letting a guy go through rehab because you are leading him to believe he’s needed. Are the Braves better with Medlin? Perhaps, but when you are a loser organization like the Braves have turned into, you don’t have to become losers in moral character as well!
I bit the bullet and my tongue on the Smoltz deal. Smoltz was going to rehab if he played for the Braves or another team. Glavine let it be known he was only rehabbing to play for the Braves and the Braves only. And the Braves let him do it and then screwed him.
For the first time in my life, I’m ashamed to be a Braves fan!
It’s not about being a Glavine fan because I actually am not. It’s about being able to be proud of an organization because of the way they conduct business.
I’m ashamed of this classless organization.
braves phanatic- i’m pretty sure you cannot throw 80MPH unless you’ve been throwing continually recently. most people say 80MPH is an average fastball for high school, when going off on those JUG radar guns when they are actually reaching about 76MPH
“You know I understand this is probably the best thing for the team, but the way they handled Glavine looks real bad. It sounds like they srtung him out in the minors for an extra start hoping he would either get injured or get hit around to make it justifiable to release him”
I get this sentiment but I think it is a presuppositional argument. If you wanted to see him back, then this is bad and it looks terrible for the team. If you wanted the team to do well, this is good and will help the team. In the light of the good, the Braves took a franchise icon, paided for and repaired his arm and shoulder, then paid him to rehab in their system and let him go prior to the non-waiver deadline, allowing him ample time to be picked up by some other team which can afford to see if he still has it on the MLB level.
truth, look, I agreed that they shouldn’t have done it this way but what I’m saying is that some bloggers clowned the dude for months only to turn around and have his back. I don’t like that.
15 outs - TWICE !
McFann – go to the box office (do they still have those) and buy tickets for Saturday
Even my missus is upset about GLAV, but she is a New Yorker
and a closet METS fans..
dohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh biatches !!!!!
Rob (from SC)
Remember what Glavine did to us. He basically told Schuerholz that he wouldn’t take the Mets offer, And Schuerholz had to find out the next day that Glavine was a Met. Great franchises can’t be loyal to aging players. Plain and simple Smoltz wanted to much money and thought he had a better shot at a ring with Boston. He did turn down a lot of more money throughout his career but that was his decision. I don’t feel bad for Glavine. I want to see another championship, and I honestly believe Hanson instead of Glavine gives us a better chance. Also, even if we don’t make the playoff’s we get to use this year to get the lumps out for our young players. We all need to look at the big picture.
Chris in Marietta
Frank Wren is an A-hole. After the way he dealt with Smoltz, he now does about the same thing to Glavine. Wren obviously has a huge EGO and a small (insert male anatomy here). If this is the best the “ownership” of the Braves can do, I’m done. This used to be an organization with CLASS – obviously that’s no longer the case.
On another note I really don’t get the big deal over the Escobar Oscar performance. That’s the umps call. I didn’t see Beltran telling the ump hey, on that steal attempt Chipper tagged me out so i’ll trot back to the dugout now. The guy was thorwing a no hitter, get on base whatever way you can. It didn’t even affect the game. How is that any different than the guys who lean into pitches are don’t move and just get hit?
This is a great Day to be a Braves fan .Glavine Showing the Door.Hi Maybe if you did not sign with the METS you would be still be a braves today.You have only person to be Mad at.And that is you .And The future start on Saturday night welcome to the Braves tommy hanson
June 3rd, 20097:02 pm
I don’t feel like the Braves handled this the right way, but if their going to make this move I wish they would go further. Trade Vazquez for a bat( a really good prospect if they can’t get an established player) and bring up Medlen again. Lowe , Hanson, Kawakami, Jurrjens and Medlen would make a great rotation, while money would be freed up to get a big bat for next season. Morton may also get a chance before the season is over to show he is ready, which might free more money for offense and if that happenned and Medlen, Hanson and Morton looked really good, it might be time to move Lowe.
YUM YUM. McFann’s posts are so tasty that I just can’t stop eating them all up. Someone please help, I have gained 10 pounds already this week.
June 3rd, 20097:03 pm
What a flurry of moves. Glavine released, Campillo to DL, Barton up, Hanson to rotation and starting this Saturday and Medlan to the bullpen.
Did Francoeur’s homerun save him today?
TheManMike: “There can be no loyalty when you are dealing with dollars and cents – you know this”
Does anyone recall how “loyal” Glavine was about 6 years ago….or does it just work 1 way? Didnt think so.
Why blame Wren, Shuerholz had his hand in this as well.
haha…well said – haha.
Someone said he can’t be effective in the mid-to-low eighties. This is patently untrue; Moyer is older, throws slower, and is slightly less crafty. We are talking about a Number 5 starter. The Braves have to make a run with Hanson to justify this. This will look a lot better if Wren spends that money on a bat. I hate this unless he uses the cash to buy a bat before the paper is printed tomorrow.
FW on Glavine’s departing:
-Signed him as our 5th starter
-Wasn’t ready at his first pegged start
-Meeting was with Bobby, J.S., F.W.
-Gave him option to retire as a Brave
-Seemed very urgent with his words about Tommy Hanson being promoted and starting Saturday
This is a great move. Glavine had nothing in the tank. It’s the kind of move we avoided for the past few years. I am very, very greatful for Frank W. We did NOT need Smoltz (he didn’t need us either – red sox are the best team for him to heal into) we did NOT need Glavine.
Bad PR move my a$$ . . . this is Atlanta . . . there are three groups of fans 1) old as hell and they have seen this before (justice for murphy), 2) the 1991′ers . . . who need to recognize the decisions that put us in the place to compete and 3) the people who just showed up because Atlanta is a city of transient professional hobos (sorry about the economy – get used to being here) who don’t know any better.
PS: Dale Murphy understood and took it with grace. I doubt we will see the same from Glav (didn’t from Smoltz).
“but Bobby has always been a class act”
Yeah – the tempper tantrums that have led him to be the most-ejected manager in history are particularly classy
June 3rd, 20097:04 pm
HANSON is starting Saturday, moving into rotation, Medlen going to bullpenDOB
THAT is the post I’ve been waiting for. Bold moves today by the front office. Feels like we just traded for an ace!!!
There are some people who will never having anything positive to say about Wren
This is a classless move by a clueless man. I’m not saying that Glavine would have a Cocoon-like rebirth. He doesn’t have stuff to get major league hitters out? Neither does Jo Jo Reyes, neither did Chuck James. Frank Wren is an empty suit; Schurholtz got all the credit because he did everything. Frank was his dog-washer. He will be gone soon, but his legacy is a disgrace.
15 – My girlfriend grew up 1 mile from SHEA but claims to be a Yankee fan but I suspedct she is a closet MUTTS fan……. oh those bitches
Poetic justice would be for Glavine to go to the Mets or Phils and come back and kick the Braves butts in a couple of starts before years end!
Tom Glavine the reason i started watching the Braves and Baseball.. Sad Sad day.
Full thoughts at playwordsearch.com/sitenews
Braves Fan 88
June 3rd, 20097:05 pm
If Tommy Hanson get’s his behind handed to him on Sunday, I don’t want to hear any excuses now. The moment of truth is at hand. Is he “special”, or just another hard-throwing young pitcher with much to learn?
The take on Glavine being released really hinges on the verbal commitment the team made to him when they signed him to a contract. If they committed to give him an opportunity to rehab with no guarantees as to a roster spot, then fine. If they guaranteed a roster spot as long as he got himself healthy, that’s a totally different situation.
Maybe DOB has some insight there. The rest of probably don’t know enough to make a real judgment though.
Braves might be getting a helluva CF, folks. Nate McLouth
scottbravesfan: I know full well Medlin was a reliever in the minors. I also know full well that he really took off when he was moved into the rotation. I’d like to see him in there still, but understand why he was moved. It’s a state of disappointment, for me anyway, that rests in the fact that this team finally has real pitching depth. I’ll live happily knowing that.
June 3rd, 20097:06 pm
gotta say at least Wren had the balls to do something like this. Put the whole club and not an ind. first.
This just in……Saturday’s Braves/Brewers game is SOLD OUT.
(not really but you better hurry cause its going to)
Dude – How can you call yourself a BRAVES fan…? …..Honestly….
Cracker say Whaaaaaaa?
yeah we should all be real scared of Glavine coming back and dominating us
Am I really one of the few people that are happy about us calling up Hanson over Glavine? Really?
“Braves might be getting a helluva CF, folks. Nate McLouth”
Thanks for nothing DOB! Not only are you more than an hour late on this, your late post is the one that jinxed it into non-existence.
McLouth?????? Sh**tin me?
Wren is making this his team. Schuerholz srewed this team over his last few years. Traded Wainwright, The whole Texiera package. The horrible Klesko for Veras trade. Wren knows we needed to get younger and more athletic. Give him time before bashing Wren. He has done a great job with limited resources. Schuerholz had an open checkbook. When Money became tight he made several dumbass trades.
Cyndi Lauper's Aura
June 3rd, 20097:07 pm
Frank Wren has hangy-downs. Big ‘uns. You folks thinking this will butt-hurt other Braves into shunning the Bravos, fugheddaboutit.
Winning is fun. As long as the Braves don’t run completely wreckless over tradition (and they won’t: see Chipper’s contract + Tommy’s chance + watch Smoltz’s arm blow up in August), players like McCann and Hanson will like playing here about as much as players ever feel loyalty toward a team.
Sometimes, too, these players need to be reminded that there are consequences for failing to perform at a high level.
Wren 2, Geezers 0
I was a proud Braves fan in the 80’s. Better known as the losing years. I am not a very proud right now.
Ritchie from Scotland
i’m getting eally excited about all this news. Any of you guys super rich tycoons and would like to fly me from Glasgow to Atlanta say tomorrow?
Why is Chipper out of the lineup? Toe again?
June 3rd, 20097:08 pm
You can “scout” this or say the “scout’s” say that. Corporations love to use BS excuses when they fire people.
What they shouldn’t have done is bring him back where he’s able to come back and then say… em.. well. Yeah that million bucks too much for our impoverished owners to pay so we cut him save the million and because it’s June save a year of arbitration on Tommy Hanson.
Oh well. It’s probably the best thing long term, but it’s a crappy way to treat the guy who won the only World Series for your team.
Good luck to you Tommy. Thanks for Everything!
Steve from OH
playwordsearch, is today more upsetting that when he sailed north?
Braves are trading three prospects to get him, but none of them are Hanson. Not sure who they are. Charlie wouldn’t surprise me. or Medlen. Or both.
Some of you people that see Tom Glavine as a traitor because he betrayed the team and left to play for the Mets for a few more pieces of silver are living in some kind of myopic, naive, alternate universe. Did you Glavine bashers ever bother to look at the facts of the story or are you just that shallow? Glavine couldn’t work out a deal with John Schuerholz and Glavine took the rap.
Like Glavine or not, we hear one day he is looking good, throwing shutout innings, successfully completing rehab and seems an imminent comeback to help the team and be a HOF presence in the clubhouse and the next day he’s unceremoniously released. As I write this, the Glavine bashing for having the audacity to join the loathsome Mets resumes in full force. No surprise there.
Even if we do have other pitching options that weren’t evident when the Braves signed and sent him on the grueling journey through rehabilitation, my understanding is that Glavine was led to believe that if he successfully completed rehab (and took all of the risk with a base pay contract) he’d be back in a Braves uniform. Glavine’s velocity had gotten up to the high 80’s. That would probably have increased, but even if the velocity stayed there, Glavine knows how to pitch and he was ready to pitch, but once again, Schuerholz doesn’t seem to keep his word or honor the spirit of the agreements he makes with players.
There is more to this story than “low velocity”. That is incredible and I’m not buying it for a minute. Sounds like another typical underhanded, ego-driven JS move. That will surely not help the Braves to attract other great players or build team loyalty, as Chipper eluded to during the frozen non-negotiations with Smoltz.
Frankly, I’d believe Glavine’s take on this situation over any typical spin Schuerholz or Wren come out with. Blauser was frozen out by JS, Smoltz was jerked around by “homeboy upstairs” and left, now Glavine gets jerked around for the second time. Wonder if Wren has started wearing those snappy suspenders like his mentor?
In the meantime, Braves management would like to be seen as doing everything possible to win, even when it hurts to release players, while they continue to coddle Francoeur as he continues to sing, “They tried to make me go to rehab but I said ‘no, no, no’”.
JS to Glav: Revenge is a dish best served cold.
What is up with McLouth
June 3rd, 20097:09 pm
Of course this is the right decision long term. It’s just a crappy way to go about it halfway through the year. This could have been done MONTHS AGO!
Alright – Games bout to come on – Funny how much this thread will change….I love humans.
the pirates game tonight is postponed….
Wha??? Nate McClouth??? Maybe I’m not so mad at FW after all.
I just got in front of the computer, and I’m absolutely shocked about what the Braves did to Tom Glavine. Why did they sign him in the first place, and put him through all the rehab, just to release him now? He should never have been signed in the first place. They took a 305 game winner, and tossed him out, like discarded trash.
I’ve read that the Braves did it because they felt Glavine was “impeding Tommy Hanson’s arrival to the major leagues”. They should have at least let Tom pitch a few games, before making this decision.
What would serve the Braves right is if Glavine went into the HOF a Met, and Maddux went in as a Cub. This team should have that shame, after dumping one of the greatest pitchers in franchise history, in such a manner!
Wait where did that Mccouth comment come from??!?!?!?!?!
Moar info please!
McLouth and Hanson?! I haven’t been this excited about the Braves in quite some time. I’m worried about the prospects we gave up though…
McLouth has a hella arm. I say him throw out a runner at the plate in the All star last year. Dude has a gun to go with the offensive numbers.
June 3rd, 20097:10 pm
Done deal? Agreed in principle?
I laugh at the IDIOTS who are posting here mentioning Glavine signing with the Mets a few years back. The Braves blew that deal to by not getting back to him and Clifton. They called his bluff and wouldn’t match the Mets so Glavine left. They lowballed Glavine by every account by anyone other than the Braves front office.
This isn’t a business deal where there is offer-counter offer stuff. This is “stab someone in the back and pizz on them” stuff. Allowing Glavine to rehab with the understanding that when he was ready he would be activated.
Keep posting idiots who keep mentioning the Mets signing. You just show how knowlegable you REALLY ARE!
DOB you can’t just slide that in and leave us hanging…lol!!
If the Braves get Nate McClouth….. WOW! That’s a huge pickup!
I have only lived in Atlanta for 11 years and do not pretend to know how some of the life long Braves fans feel. But the truth of the matter is Smoltz and Glavine stole about 20 million dollars from the Braves last year and have not made a start in nearly a year. Gregg Clifton can spin it anyway he wants, but let’s be honest the phone did not ring last year from other teams for Hometown Discount Glavine.
All i gotta say is karmas a bitch. He had a shot to stay with us and backed out and to the Mets for like what an extra 4 million a year. So i say thanks for everything tommy but maybe if u didnt dick over scheurlhotlz in 2002 you might have at least gotten the benifit of the doubt. good luck to ya. the only way this team is gonna be competive is for it to get yonger and thats what they did. GO BRAVES
damn! that a baby wren! what to do with schafer??? i wonder if he is in the deal????
Nova Scotia Steve
ok hold on…Hanson on Saturday AWESOME…..And McClouth is this finalized!?!?!?!
McLouth, WOW! I’d be very excited to have him patrol CF with his defense and very good bat. Better than what I expected we’d get.
Soriano really likes the hitters eye at Turner field.
wow news central!!!!
June 3rd, 20097:11 pm
You better be right. lol…We don’t want a PR nightmare for you.
Why would the Pirates trade him to us RIGHT before we play them?
Yunel's Frosted Tip's
Holy Damn Batman, Nate McClouth, tell us more , DOB
Maybe it’s time to DFA Lowe. (no, nevermind, I won’t post this – someone is bound to think I’m serious – oops, I hit the submit button).
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