2:22 pm June 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 3rd, 20096:31 pm
100% correct DOB.. bet some free agent pitchers in the future would stay away from the Braves unless Wren is out as GM.
exactly. Jojo would still be going out their if he wasn’t injured, but they can’t give Glavine 1 shot. I mean to at least give him one more start @ the Ted. That’s just not good baseball. How do the Braves expect to sign players and gain trust when they do this? What’s to say they won’t release Chipper in the next few years?
"Chef" Tim Dix
June 3rd, 20096:32 pm
IF he can pitch Glav owes the Braves a thank you for allowing him the opportunity to rehab at home on his own terms.
Brian Jordan is ticked at how the Braves handled the Glavine thing.
The Braves under Schuerholz were at the very least an organization marked by class, by doing things the right way. This is clearly not the case now. I “get” the business side of it and the baseball side of it. Hanson will help the team a heckuva lot more than Glavine. But how do you tell a HOF pitcher, one of the icons of the franchise, to take a hike. The timing stinks. Watch him sign elsewhere.
FW blew it with Smoltz. Should never have signed Glavine. Is he in over his head?
I wonder what Chipper’s thinking.
In all seriousness, who on the current team is really gonna be stung by the Chipper announcement?
Other than Chipper, seriously, who would even care? It’s not like these guys have played with Tommy?
Is Bobby all of a sudden gonna go into a funk?
While i wasn’t too excited about Glavine clogging up our rotation, it seems lame that they do this after he’s gone through the rehab and announced himself ready.
June 3rd, 20096:33 pm
I cant believe how many people are really upset about the move. Frank was in a no win situation with Glavine. If he adds Glavine and pays him the $1.25 mil and Glavine pitches okay, but then they cut him before 30 days he’s screwed. At the same time, you got the #1 pitching prospect in baseball tearing up AAA (which Glavine was okay in A ball) and it doesnt cost you anything to bring him up. How does Wren look if he adds Glavine and he sucks, but yet Hanson is still dominating and waiting? Frank had pressure from both sides and made the right baseball move and financial move. Glavine knew the risk when he signed the contract.
Two days and two moves that our GM made the right call on. Schafer to AAA and Glavine released. It took some balls to make these moves and Im proud to know that Wren wants to win and did the right things
The Real Don Steele
June 3rd, 20096:34 pm
Once again the AJC and their beat writer were scooped by sources all over the media. At least they are consistently late with breaking news.
Wren just said he friggin asked to be released….
Chipper Jonestown Massacre
Chuck James was solid until the 6th!!!: “The worst part about all of this is Glavine is going to turn around and give it right back to us when he is pitching for the Phillies or Mets the rest of the summer…..
Wait and see!!”
You mean like he did in his 1st go-round with the Mets???
I remember back when JS was kicked upstairs and Wren assumed the position, a lot of folks speculated that Wren was put in the chair to do these things so that JS would not be as closely associated with them. Hope Wren gets paid well after all is said and done.
Hanson called up!!!
June 3rd, 20096:35 pm
Wow I guess you forgot he pitched here LAST year.
It’s not that we are merely upset, but the way it went down.
i think i mis-heard that….who knows….who cares…
June 3rd, 20096:36 pm
Would you guys rather Tom Glavine make 3 starts and get hammered in all 3 and then release him? I love Tom Glavine but if he’s only pitching in the mid to low 80s he is going to get killed in the big leagues. He’s not going to get the calls on the outside of the plate like he used too.
It’s time for the Braves to quit wasting time and call up Tommy Hanson. There is no reason that he should still be in AAA. He’s better than Kawakami, Medlin, and Vazquez right now.
Sorry. “Glavine” announcement . . . (6:32)
June 3rd, 20096:37 pm
This is f***ing embarassing. We shouldn’t have signed him in the first place, but now we’re covering our tracks and wasting 1 million dollars by releasing him? If I were Glavine, I’d pick a nice orange and blue Mets jersey to go to Cooperstown with. Just embarassing.
glavine being released is by far the best move wren has made yet!
to all of you boo hooing this move let me take you back a bit…..
back to a time when glavine signed with the mets. yes, i havent forgotten that and neither has bobby and the braves. bye glavine! hello tommy hanson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“I wonder what Chipper’s thinking.”
Chippers probably happy knowing Hanson is coming up and Glavine isnt. Chipper, I recall, in ST said Hanson should be in the rotation to start the year. He’s probably happy that the Braves are putting the best players on the field and his GM isnt making the sentimental moves.
so is Barton playing CF tonight? Im guessing Medlen will move to Campillo’s spot and Hanson will get the next start in place of Medlen
Look folks, If you think all this rehab and all the work he’s been doing has paid off – then he’ll get picked up by another team – it is what it is. Hanson is gona make for better conversation at this point…
cafleming, I doubt it. If he’d brought Glavine in, Glavine would’ve probably had a 4-something ERA. Don’t you think Vasquez and Lowe would have resented that Wren was running a Nostalgia Tour instead of going out and getting the pitching and bats we need to compete?
frank just said hanson will be called up and start saturday.
June 3rd, 20096:38 pm
On 680 they have reported Hanson will pitch Saturday. Leo on right now.
bravos2249 . . . No, I absolutely did not forget that he pitched here last year. But, last year was his first year back after a half decade away.
Glavine hasn’t been a teammate to these guys as long as the likes of Gonzalez, Soriano, Moylan, Escobar, Johnson, Francoeur, Diaz, etc.
Glavine was a long-time Brave, but not exactly a huge part of the current Braves. Most of these guys don’t even know him.
Look around. It’s a completely different team (other than Chipper) than what was here when he left for New York after his shellacking in the 2002 NLDS.
June 3rd, 20096:39 pm
Sucks about Glavine, kind of odd, but he did get the benefit of rehabbing to go somewhere else. Glavine was mainly insurance, and it’s hard to see where he fit in when he was going to fight for the 5th starters job with Medlin, Hanson and Hudson- if and when he returns. I still would have thought that maybe Medlin was being “shopped” like Salty was to be part of a trade to get a good hitting OF, which meant Glavine would have been the #5, and if it didn’t pan out, Hanson moved in, or we waited on Hudson.
Wow the Braves have let a future hof’er go again. Instead of letting him finish his career where it started, they released Tom Glavine. Wow, they have no class. And dont tell me they couldnt afford his bonus for being on the major league roster. He as did Smoltzie deserved to finish their career here. The Braves show no class!!
Remember the Mets signing. Lost me there. Later Glavine. Maybe we’ll see you in NY again.
June 3rd, 20096:40 pm
this just seems like an odd thing to do after having Glavine in rehab, etc. What would have had to happen for them to make a different decision? He seemed to have done all he was asked to do…this seems rinky dink….
OK…so far, I have found one thing that pertains to a batter refusing to take first base after taking ball four:
Rule 10.16, section (b)(1):
If a batter awarded a base on balls is called out for refusing to advance to first base, do not credit the base on balls. Charge a time at bat.
OK, I feel better now.
Wouldn’t “…wasting 1 million dollars…” be an oxymoron?
I would rather the organization immediately offer him a job on the coaching staff.
Wonder what McCann is thinking right now? I bet he won’t take any home town discounts when it’s time for his next deal. BMac is witnessing the Braves lack of loyalty as the Braves dismiss Smoltz and Glavine like they were last weeks trash. Nice moves Braves.
Tough move for Wren to make, but a necessary one. Nobody’s buying the velocity excuse. The Braves have a better pitcher in Tommy Hanson(maybe 2 or even 3 in Medlen and Morton) and it was getting to the point that it would be counterproductive to leave him in AAA much long. Also, as pointed out, the Braves save $3 which would be much better spent on acquiring a bat.
I agree with **DOB**, it LOOKS bad. But it was an extremely necessary move to make and the Braves are a better team for it.
June 3rd, 20096:41 pm
It doesn’t matter how long you have pitched or played with certain guys. Everyone on the team has at least got to know him a little and has seen him a lot.
Yeah, they should’ve let TG make a few starts out of respect, but this team is just keeping his head above water right now, early in the season or not. So, I guess I could say what’s the point in having him pitch a game or two if your intent is to release him anyways. DOB is right, this makes the entire org. look very bad, but I’m really not surprised it happend…neither should any of you.
Tough love for Glavine, but I am not at all disappointed or upset. I wasn’t expecting him back this season. And if he did manage to do it, I expected him to get shellacked. Glad he chewed up the A level minor leaguers though. Maybe he can pick up with another team.
Medlen back to Gwinnett, it sounds like. Glavine chose release over retirement.
DOB, It looks bad to some, but not to most of us. This looks good to me. I mean, it gives the Braves a chance to put their best prospect on the team. Maybe this is about the arbitration clock for Hanson? It’s June so they can call him up any time now, and not have to worry about free agency until 2015. Maybe the plan was to sign him, and see that he wasn’t effective and have him bow out before June 1st, or they’d cut him then. How many Major League pitchers do you know that are effective with an 83mph fastball? I am glad FW has the guts to pull this move. It’s hugely unpopular now but I think it will look genius if Hanson comes up and dazzles.
Bravos, we dont really know how it went down. Bobby said yesterday that they were going to discuss three different options with Glavine today and they’d see what he wanted to do. Im guessing they wanted to see what Glavine could do in a couple of starts against some team higher than A ball and he refused. No one knows what happened there. I love Tommy as much as any other fan, but I want to see the best guys out there so we can win. It wasnt worth the $1.25 mil to add Glavine just so he can say he made it back while Hanson is destroying AAA ball and it cost us nothing to bring him up. That $1.25 mil could be big in any other deal that may be lined up.
Yes its a bad PR move, but we dont have the full story and he’s our most expensive way to fill a rotation spot and there are about 4 other guys who can outpitch him right now
Brian Barton was called up. I checked on game day thing and he is on the bench.
Andrew in CT
June 3rd, 20096:42 pm
As excited as I am about finally seeing Tommy Hanson, it makes me sad that in today’s sports world, the Braves would treat one of the greatest players in the history of the franchise like this in order to save a little bit of money. One of my most vivid childhood memories was the day Dale Murphy (then my favorite player) was traded. I was 5-years-old and couldn’t understand how the Braves could do such an unspeakable thing. Nowadays this type of treatment is the norm (At least Chipper looks as though he will spend his entire career as a Brave). Anyway, it just sucks that the game today is all about money and there is very little room for sentiment. Thanks for everything you have done for the Braves Tommy G. You deserve to be treated a lot better than this.
PWJhort, how are we wasting $1 million by releasing Glavine?
The $1 million he got is gone. We don’t get it back if he toes the rubber for us this year. In fact, we have to give him another $1 million.
uga-brave: “please dont say it is because you think he cant pitch anymore. this is about 3.5 million dollars, PERIOD.”
Dont know if thats the case, but lets not forget Glavine went to the Mets for about the same amount more than Braves offered 5-6 years ago. As I recall pretty much everyone thought that made sense (for Glavine) at the time, so whats wrong with Braves saving $3.5 Mil now?
Im not saying the 2 are related, but without question he “stuck it” to the Braves back then for a modest increase in salary. So whats the big deal now?
Rob (from SC)
First off, John Schuerholz was involved in this decision. This was the best move for now and the future. We need to put the best team on the field and that does not include Glavine. If Medlen pitches great on Saturday then how could you remove him from the rotation. Also, you can’t keep Hansonat AAA. With the way he is throwing it would be unfair. These tough decisions needed to be made and I credit all the Braves in charge of making this decision.
June 3rd, 20096:43 pm
Elements, you have a point if Mac is 20 years older.
Today’s game is largely about money, and partly about performance.
If Tom Glavine were healthier and throwing better, he probably gets a chance. The guy still got $1 million from us. He had a setback, it cost him and the team precious time.
Flat Bill Kid
June 3rd, 20096:44 pm
IMO this Glavine thing looks good. Save money, get a uber-prospect closer to being called up, and don’t have to worry about Glavine lasting 4 or five innings and putting our bullpen under more work. Not to mention, the money could be saved for a bat possibly.
Thank you TG for pitching so well for us in the past. I respect what you’ve done.
I respect Wren a little more now, too.
Barton called up for Campillo. Im guessing Medlen moves to the pen until Saturday and then one of the OF’rs will go to make room for Hanson
I know. I’m just saying that’s what people mean. Cause they kept him going, they could have released him 2 weeks ago if they wanted to.
June 3rd, 20096:45 pm
Why are people saying Brian Barton was called up? There’s no need for a roster move. Glavine was on the DL.
Unless another roster move was made?
I hate to see Glavine leave the Braves this way. But, honestly, I would hate it even more if he (and his low-to-mid-80’s fastball) came back and got lit up. I still cringe thinking about seeing a way-over-the-hill Mays hanging on too long. I would never want that for Glavine. Retire, Tommy, you’ve got nothing to prove.
QUESTION – If he does retire (without throwing a major league pitch) would he be eligible to go into the Hall of Fame with Greg Maddux???
You got to be kidding me. Do you know how business works? If the Braves are going to pay a player he’s going to play for the Braves. Wren is trying to make the team better and the team is better with Tommy Hanson in the rotation.
Oh, NVM. Didn’t know Campillo was on DL again.
June 3rd, 20096:46 pm
HANSON is starting Saturday, moving into rotation, Medlen going to bullpen.
Yeah he would go into the hall the same year as Maddux.
It’s Wren’s prerogative to do this…and no one would question his reasoning. But I agree with DOB…it just looks bad! I’m a huge Smoltz fan but I never understood his beef with the Braves this season…how could he fault a smaller market team for not wanting to pay him to sit on the bench? But Glavine…this is just wrong. He took less money to play in ATL…made it clear he wanted to pitch no where else…worked his ass off to get back…pitches two scoreless minor league games…and they cut him. Actually, they don’t just cut him…they essentially ‘bait and switch’ him and force him into retirement…making the past 8 months an embarrassing waste of time for him. This is not how you treat the folks whose names you want to put on the centerfield wall. We know he’s a classy guy…maybe he’s a forgiving guy…but I would not be surprised if he never walks onto Turner Field again…
Where are you getting all this?
There can be no loyalty when you are dealing with dollars and cents – you know this…..Its how our country works….And someone mentioned earlier that Glavine was more part of the older Braves than he is with the current Braves…but i guess DOB would know better than I…
June 3rd, 20096:47 pm
I don’t know. This isn’t going to look good, that is for sure, but I don’t think this will be a permanent stain. I think potential free agents will look more at the chance to win than at the dealings the Braves did with 40+ year old hall of fame bound icons coming off of arm and shoulder surgery. You couldn’t even spin it as, this team would rather build a contender than develop a nostalgia tour.
This was a good move. A baseball smart move. Glav was not the best pitcher they could run out there . . . he would have gotten nailed if they would have put him in.
booger1, Campillo was placed on the DL and Barton is up in his spot
Correction “Could even spin it”
15 outs - TWICE !
June 3rd, 20096:48 pm
If we are interested in putting the best team on the field for the $ we have… how are certain …….
oh eff it. doesnt matter
let’s crush winners and keep never been never will be losers
Remember, Glavine left to go to the Mets for $1M more than the Braves offered him. $1M! He would have been happy to go out one more time if the Braves were dumb enough to hand him a $1M check for doing so. So would you or I. It’s always been about “the money” for Glavine. What goes around, comes around. He’ll understand. It’s always been about “the money” for Tommy.
sucks for Medlen….has a 9 K game and is sent to the pen….lol. His future may be in the pen. The Braves could just have made him a starter in the minors to speed up his seasoning.
Some of you people are HALARIOUS! I mean, how long have most of you been saying, “Glavine is a waste of money and space and blocks Hanson from getting his chance right now.” Now you’re all being sentimental about our HOF and the respect he deserves, yet ya’ll bashed the man non-stop for months… just STFU!
The phillies will be calling on Tommy. We have ourself a problem if Tommy pitches and is effective.
June 3rd, 20096:49 pm
If I’m reading correctly, the braves are basically saving $2.25 mill b/c he would’ve gotten another bonus for being on the roster 30 days. I appreciate what Glavine did as a brave but fact is, he ran out of town years ago for his money. Atlanta doesn’t owe him anything. Good luck Tommy!
Wren is a walking pr disaster.
You either aren’t a Braves fan or are a complete moron. Yeah…let’s bring back Smoltz and Glavine just to let them finish their careers all the while screwing the rest of the team out of legitimate starters. That makes sense. If you want a sentimental, nostalgic moment, go get Glavine or Smoltz’s autograph and get your picture taken with them. Personally, I want what’s best for the Braves and I’ve thought all along that was Hanson as the 5th guy.
i cant believe all you babies on here….
let me say this again for those who have forgotten:
IN 2003 THIS GUY SIGNED WITH THE METS, NOT THE MARINERS….THE METS. how could anybody on this forum have a single thought of sympathy for this money grabber. he went to our rivals, our biggest rivals. we offered him a fair contract and he decided to stick it to us. and you all are defending him??? wow. just wow.
this wont affect a single free agent pitcher in the future. glavine has been done for since he was a met and blew there chances of getting into the playoffs down in miami. “oh but wren was being loyal bla bla bla”
he just gave chipper 14 million dollars a year to play 100 games a season if we are lucky. chipper got paid and did chipper ever leave us to go the mets? obviously not. now, i totally agree with everyone who says wren should have never signed him….that too is obvious. but at least wren knew when to cut his losses. the guy is throwing 82 mph batting practice fastballs.
i can do that. seriously i pitched a little when i was younger and i promise you i could throw a ball today over 80. did any of you watch glavine pitch last year? because if you did and you remember him stabbing atlanta in the back in 2003 then this should be cause for celebration, not a time for mourning…. a lot of you on here are so hypocritical its not even funny. you are the same guys who as soon as glavine gives up 7 runs in 2 1/3 innings in his first start back “hey wren, why did you sign this bum? where is tommy hanson? wah wah wah wah!”
get real. you cant have it both ways and this was the best move to make at this point in time hands down.
I’m a little disappointed in the Bullpen assignment for Medlen. I’d like to seem him get the chance that was given to JoJo, Kyle, Chuck and HoRam. I think he’d be better than all of them.
But, this must mean Hanson is here to stay. Here’s to hoping he does well/lives up to the hype.
June 3rd, 20096:50 pm
You people are crazy that say let Glavine start a few games out of respect. Why, so the Braves can lose three, fall farther back in the standings, or so the fans can have one last chance to see TG throw? Do you really want to say,”hey I saw TG throw a game in Atlanta, he gave up 10 runs, but I still saw him pitch.” No thanks.
Hanson in rotation and Medlen in BP is the right moves. Should help out a lot.
I think Blanco may be sent down once Hanson is called up. Since Barton is called up. Then Barton down when Schafer gets back to form.
” We have ourself a problem if Tommy pitches and is effective.”
Massive “if” there. Especially considering the bandbox. Phillies would have two old pitchers in the rotation…
Ritchie from Scotland
that is unbeliveable, a follow Braves fan from the UK i know is at Turner Field for the next 5 games including Saturday’s now Hanson debut. I am at the moment the most jealous man in the world.
June 3rd, 20096:51 pm
PSHH! What a laugh….
TBF(n)K as Billy
Glavine does not improvee this team. Smoltz does not help this team…I was a huge fan of smoltz untill he opened his mouth after signing with boston. Some Players dont know when to hang’em up somee do (madduax). When a player hangs on too long you get Willie mayss and the Mets and you get glavine and smoltz. But the bottom line is glavine is not with a 1 million dollar risk. When we clearly dont need him.
Yessssssssssssssss. Saturday is a night game I can watch it on the MLB package. Fox will not take this one from me.LOL
Very Bad Timing by the Braves. You’re coming off a big win and then you pull this. At least give him a chance to prove he’s done. I agree with DOB on this one. It may ultimately be the right decision but there was a better way to handle it. Especially coming off the Smoltz thing this winter. I just don’t see why you don’t give him the chance to show if he’s got something left from a competitive standpoint. What if he does and in a division where your two main rivals are pitching short you just release him. Let’s hope this doesn’t bite us in the but.
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
June 3rd, 20096:52 pm
I guess Frank and Tom won’t be having any oatmeal breakfasts anytime soon?
bravos2249 . . .
If Glavine was added to the roster, then someone else gets sent down.
I guess that would make these big-leaguers cry, too.
Glavine hasn’t pitched in what, a year?
These guys will get over it. He was gone a long time before coming back and getting hurt last season. He hasn’t pitched since. It’s okay. Most of these guys have little history with Tom Glavine.
You know I understand this is probably the best thing for the team, but the way they handled Glavine looks real bad. It sounds like they srtung him out in the minors for an extra start hoping he would either get injured or get hit around to make it justifiable to release him. I could hear it in some of Glavine’s quotes.
He said something to the effect of Don’t know what else I can do down here(AAA) after his last start. I’m willing to bet he was ready to come back after start #2 but Wren made him go one more start down there. He goes 6 scoreless and Wren doesn’t have any more excuses. Just an un classy move.
Of course Glavine left for New York years back, so he’s played the business card too.
Coming off a huge win and bringing up the next Roy Halladay. This is the most excitement I’ve seen all year.
i think medlen in the bullpen is perfect. we really need another solid arm down there. Of course this is assuming he will keep up the form of his last appearance. Actually, he has looked good in all but two innings.
The Real Don Steele. Well said my friend.
Can’t wait to see what great slugger we get with that $3.5 million! What do you think? Pujols maybe? Can move him to CF, too! We could send the Cards maybe Jeff Bennett and Buddy Carlisle, cause LaRussa likes to use lots of relievers!
I bet the Ted will be sold out Saturady night…LOL
csg: “Two days and two moves that our GM made the right call on. Schafer to AAA and Glavine released. It took some balls to make these moves and Im proud to know that Wren wants to win and did the right things”
Great comment…agree 100%. Wren tried his best to make things work as a tribute to Glavine (no other team wanted him) but as the season unfolded, he finally realized it wasnt going to work out. Period.
Also, I can’t imagine Bobby Cox was happy about that move. I know a lot of people have their criticisms about Cox (he is too set in his ways, too much faith in guys like Francouer, the game has passed him by, etc.), but Bobby has always been a class act (except for the occasional wife-beating) and a guy who sticks up for his players. It would surprise me if Wren tries to force Bobby into an early retirement as well if he doesn’t provide results this year.
June 3rd, 20096:53 pm
if the Mets and Phils want Glavine then let them have him. You guys need to look at the level of ball he’s pitching at in these rehab starts. He’s just outthinking these kids. I wont loose sleep by us adding Hanson and the MEts or Phils adding Glavine. Hell, Im happy thinking about it.
Im sure most of the people here complaining about the PR issue are the same people screaming for Hanson to be called up. Frank Wren can do nothing right it seems. He just saved himself at least $1.25mil and probably more in case he decides to add a bat
Only BAD organizations pay for past performance. You can’t afford to tie up $3.5 million in a below average pitcher. This gives the Braves the flexibility to actually have a BETTER TEAM. Isn’t that what we all want?
Barton is up to give the Braves an extra bat for a few days — Chipper and Kotchman being banged up. I would expect Barton to be optioned back on Saturday to make room for Hanson.
thanks for the update DOB! hanson’s time is now…. he is not 44 years old and throwing slurve balls. rejoice!
As if the last 3 years haven’t been a PR disaster?!
Wren seems to be doing things to compete now instead of waiting until its too late. Gotta love it!
June 3rd, 20096:54 pm
Kind of ironic, huh? Tommy Glavine became the victim of something he helped create.
I never held a grudge against TG for his union exploits, but he should understand this move better than anyone. I will always remember him fondly. I hope he retires with dignity, but if he chooses to catch on somewhere else, I wish him the best (unless he toes the slab against the Braves).
This was the right move. Wren was planning this all along, but he did not count on TG having 2 decent rehab starts (From what I have heard, the box score looks much better than it should have in those outings). Frank rolled the dice, and I credit him for following through with his plan.
Hanson in and Medlen into the Bullpen! Nice!
dude seriously I haven’t said nothing about them CRYING over Glavine. I just pointed it out that it doesn’t matter how long he’s known Escobar or Casey. He’s played with them and they are losing a team mate. No crying over it. They certainly don’t know him as long as Chipper, but whether you know someone for 15 yrs or 15 days, it can still affect you.
June 3rd, 20096:55 pm
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