2:22 pm June 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 3rd, 20095:58 pm
Maybe if visiting teams didn’t draw more than the home towners TG could’ve stayed. Support mediocrity immediately!
Steve from OH
June 3rd, 20095:59 pm
Well, nobody say that Frank doesn’t have stones…
Sent Frenchy down, sent Schafer down, released Glavine, parted ways with Smoltz.
I would anticipate a roster shakeup within the next few days…
Break all Union
Fare thee well, union boy.
Resenthal is reporting Braves released Glavine. True?
June 3rd, 20096:00 pm
“Next, why does Smoltz get a free pass with everything he does, even when he runs his mouth about it”
Who says Smoltz gets a free pass?
I rarely understand these kind of posts. All of these, “always”, “never”, and “everyone” type comments.
Smoltz gets blasted. Plenty.
I believe that’s the case as well. I actually was at his first rehab start in Gwinnett, and it really did look like he was done. The hitters were pretty much waiting on their pitch, and hitting him hard when they got it. I also think that the Braves brass wasn’t sure that Hanson and Medlen were going to develop as quickly as they did this year. With the past few seasons of Chuck James, Jo-Jo Reyes, and Charlie Morton, I can’t really say I blame them for having Glavine as a sort of backup plan.
DANGIT!! Stop eating my posts!
I understand that it’s dinner time, but really…
ESPN Sportscenter reporting Glavine is gone, but he wants to pitch again… METS??
Just saw a report on yahoo that says Campillo went back on the DL and Brian Barton was called up. Any confirmation on that DOB?
June 3rd, 20096:01 pm
RC – then why in the world do you bring him back if you won’t give him a chance? Anybody else, no big deal, but Tom gave this franchise his all for a long time. He has worked for months, and a million dollars is not going to make a huge difference in what kind of bat we get.
Glavine released. The AJC is last to report it. Nice going guys!!
Glavine to the Phillies!
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Glavine go back to the Mets.
June 3rd, 20096:02 pm
I hope the only reason Glavine was released was to save money. I mean its 1 million dollars? I hope he at least got that.
DHD, you are an idiot, DOB basically said what is going to happen an hour ago… Moron
i meant WAS NOT to save money****
This is probably to open up money for a bat…kinda a priority for this team, you think? Wish Glavine the best always, but we don’t need him, period. I’m sure Glavine knows this too.
If this is about $1M I will chip in the loot for Glav
I flipping hate Liberty and the pissant idiots at TWC before them
June 3rd, 20096:03 pm
Also, maybe freeing up the rest of the Glavine money means Wren has a possible deal out there.
Steve from OH,
Wren also had the team charter leave Cal Ripkin Jr. in Baltimore once because he didn’t show up on time to leave for a road trip. Ripken had to buy a commercial ticket and meet the team at their destination. The owner was furious, but like you said, Wren’s got stones.
C’mon Glavine, go to the Red Sox so you can pitch with Smotlzy….
June 3rd, 20096:04 pm
See my post to rammerjammer. I think they really hoped that Glavine would still have “it”, but after seeing him pitch at Gwinnett just weren’t convinced that he was worth the money it’d cost to let him pitch for Atlanta.
sad to see glavine go but very excited on how close this makes Hanson from joining the braves…
Of course its about the money because money is limited but its probably not cause they dont want to spend it but want that money available for getting a bat in a trade.
RC, rammerjammer–I tend to agree. I think that if he was fooling the minor league hitters, he’d be getting the call. If he was getting hit as hard as people say, I can understand that.
Oh i hope he pitches again and its for a team in the nl east. I would love to see the braves rip him a new one again like the days when he was a met
June 3rd, 20096:05 pm
If the Braves did this to save money, whatever, they BETTER get a power bat for this lineup. I know I can’t demand anything, but to release Glavine means they think they can win. Until we get that everyday pop it AIN’T gonna happen.
June 3rd, 20096:06 pm
Why would they release Glavine now? He has earned the right to give it one last shot in a BRAVES uniform. Why have him go through all of that re-hab, have him get to a point where he is pitching well, and then release him. It doesn’t make sense. If he came back and bombed, then release him! Not now. He doesn’t deserve this. Frank Wren has made another bad disrespectful decision on a Braves icon.
Frank Wren seems confused on how to treat our icon pitchers (Smoltz and Glavine). I believe John Schuerholz could do better job than Wren for giving respect those two guys earned. He better do something right for our next roster moves this summer.
Flat Bill Kid
Great job Wren! Yeah Glavine is a legend but Medlen or Hanson or both, relief and starter, are money well spent. Think about it. You saw how many people Weiters brought to Baltimore and hanson may do the same. Hanson will give us a much better chance to win. That’s what this game is about. It’s not about putting feel good players out there for sentimental thoughts. I respect glavine and all he has done for the braves. Glav won’t be forgotten but eventually everyone has to retire at some point.
June 3rd, 20096:07 pm
I hate to say it BUT
Would the braves have not at least got something if the traded him?
If we didn’t have Medlen here and Hanson knocking on the door, it might be different. The Braves like what they have and there just wasn’t room for a soft-tossing 43-year-old…even if he is a first ballot HOFer.
I liked Glavine. He seemed to keep things in perspective, never getting too high or too low. I hope he hangs ‘em up. He has nothing more to prove.
June 3rd, 20096:08 pm
Frank Wren screwed this up. If he never signs Glavine, 100% chance Glavine retires. If he releases him after hurting himself swinging the bat in a minor league rehab game in April, 90% chance Glavine retires. But to wait until he proclaims that he is ready to start for the Braves, then give him one more rehab start, in which he pitches extremely well, and THEN release him…90% chance Glavine says **** tha Braves, I’m pitching this year.
June 3rd, 20096:09 pm
RC – my point is, 99% of players, fine, but sometimes you make a flippin’ exception. I suspect he had no idea this could happen, and for one of the foundations of the franchise that is not fair.
I was wondering that, too…
I’m also wondering why this thing keeps eating my posts to RC and cabravesfan.
June 3rd, 20096:10 pm
So why did we sign Glavine just to cut him now when it was being reported that he was ready? I hate Wren…he’s made the Braves so BORING.
Poor timing but it’s the right move. Hope he still wears a Braves’ cap at the HOF induction.
June 3rd, 20096:11 pm
We’ve all known for QUITE awhile now that we didn’t “need” to have Tom Glavine come back to the rotation, so where would he have fit in? He’d have just blocked Tommy Hansons’ eventual rise to the bigs, anyhow; Hanson’s got nothing left to prove at AAA, so he deserves to be given a shot when the time comes; as for Glavine, he’ll do fine. The Mets, Phillies, Brewers, Reds, White Sox are just a handful of teams (Royals, even?) that might take a flyer on him, and releasing him now gives him that opportunity; he was of no-trade value to us as-is. All sides win, I think (esp if he signs with an AL team).
"Chef" Tim Dix
WSB-TV confirms it.
I just picked up Tommy Hanson for my fantasy team. It will be interesting to see how this plays in the clubhouse.
I actually think it’s a sound move. We have young pitchers who can do just as well as Glavine at this point. But one question, weren’t all of Glavine’s incentives deferred in which case we don’t free up any money for this year?
So is the second report I heard true? That John Schurholtz, tired of imcompetence, “released” Frank Wren and will assume GM duties on a temporary basis?
June 3rd, 20096:12 pm
The 90s are gone and have been for a good long time, but I can’t believe that we would rather cut Glavine than give him the $1 million. Are things really that tight? and if they are, how can we possibly expect to add an impact bad later this year? This has to be a shock for the team. But the bottom line is this: I’ve been a Braves fan since 1979 and I can say without equivocation that Tom Glavine was my favorite Braves pitcher of all time. Criminally underrated because he didn’t strike out a lot batters, but he gave us Braves the single greatest moment of our baseball lives in Game 6 in the 1995 world series. All of you who are ripping him …. shame on you.
Who says that Wren didn’t have balls. Baseball is a cruel business. The Braves just couldn’t wait for Glavine or Smoltz. Good luck to Glav & Smoltz. They have been good for the Braves and the fans. It’s time to move on. Who’s next to go?
Just a thought, with all the Cubs fans in town maybe we should bring in Steve Bartman and let him throw out the 1st pitch.
TBF(n)K as Billy
at my post as well…guess the amount of traffic
Chip Caray and Mark Lemke are wondering aloud “why sign him in the first place”?
Well, the Braves didn’t know how everything was going to work out with the pitching. There might have been room for him. But with Medlen here, Hanson waiting for his moment, and Hudson apparently 8 weeks away from his return… he simply wasn’t needed. And in fact, he might just serve to block better options.
But it’s certainly a shock. No doubt.
Is it just me or is this the kind of thing that used to happen to “other teams” but not the Braves? After a great win yesterday, this is disappointing and I have to think it will be for the team as well.
its only a matter of time before we hear Mr. Hansen your on the clock!!!
My thoughts about this are as follows.
Glav was always thought of as a stopgap till the summer when they signed him. I dont think they thought he would be good enough as a 5th starter for the entire season.If he had been able to start in April ( he was on course for that till his last rehab start), they would’ve been glad to pay him the $1 mil. Once summer rolled around, with Medlen filling in, and Hanson now out of the super-2 category, the writing was on the wall. His last Rome start was just to get a better idea about Medlen. As someone else said, his rehab progress would set him up to get a job with someone else, hopefully.
It leaves a really bad taste. But as Chop Chop and others joked about it earlier (super 2 or super 22 status) it was a business decision. And yet again Wren and co have showed that legacy aside, they have books to balance right now.
And NovaScotia Steve, I totally called it earlier in the day (though not in as many words).
Free Tommy Hanson
OH HAPPY DAY!!!!
I agree with you!
Glavines pay was all in increments. I would have at least let him come back and pitch one game and see how he pitched.
They would not owe him anything else until he was on the roster for 30 days. I can’t understand this procedure!
Unless Frank Wren has something else in the works right now and did not want to commit the money to Glavine.
I would not be surprised to see the Phillies pick up Glavine – they need the pitching!
June 3rd, 20096:13 pm
OK…this is all-out war!
I’ll try rewording my post a little. Maybe it’ll show up…
Last count showed BMac moved past Martin and into fourth place among catchers. Whoo-hoo…
If Brian McCann doesn’t start the All-Star game, the fans should lose the right to vote. Period.
Well, he better at least be a reserve. He’s pretty far behind Y. Molina, now…I say they cann this online voting. It takes the meaning away, doesn’t it? (Asks the fann who’s closing in on 125 votes…)
Go back to only voting at the ballpark. This online voting is um…crud.
Oh, I know, and thanks! I just gotta prove it to myself now…(Flipping wildly through the book, saying in a frustrated whisper, “I know I read it, now where the heck is it?!”)
It is an odd rule, if true…why would the guy refuse a walk? Ha! I’d like to see a tape of it if it ever happened!
June 3rd, 20096:14 pm
Whoo-hoo! My post showed up! Musta been the part about the Brewers that it didn’t like…
wiki: “Poor timing but it’s the right move. Hope he still wears a Braves’ cap at the HOF induction.”
Probably wear his union cap…youre right about it being right move in my opinion.
Now why you gotta go say that? (NOCHO)
Yup, kiss of death. Cubs sweep the next two.
I feel for Glavine, but I gotta hand it to Wren — he’s making a very tough decision that is probably in the best interest of the team. I wouldn’t want to be in his position right now, but if it means bringing Hanson up sooner, then by all means, great move.
I sure hope Tom Glavine is getting the old fashioned, hand-crafted, custom, BOOT!
Because I think we all know, Cox would run Glavine out there week after week regardless of his performance.
Bust all Unions
June 3rd, 20096:15 pm
Where’s your union now?
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
June 3rd, 20096:16 pm
The worst part about all of this is Glavine is going to turn around and give it right back to us when he is pitching for the Phillies or Mets the rest of the summer…..
Wait and see!!
DFA Jeff Bennett!!
June 3rd, 20096:17 pm
Medlin’s emergenance forced Wren’s hand
Hey, I’m sorry that Glav’s got his feelings hurt again, but it’s not really our fault he got hurt again this year. Hell we’ve PAYED him now for 1.5 YEARS, without him pitching really AT ALL! We gave this dude every chance to pitch again, and once he went down, and all of our other 5th options (Hanson, Medlen, Morton; not to mention Hudson ahead of schedule) have pitched well in AAA, we gave him every chance to retire as a Brave.
We can’t just shell out money to a guy not willing to pitch out of the pen anyway! And we can’t just afford to put a guy on the bump not capable of giving us close to a quality start every time out there. If he goes 5 or 6 innings, and gives up 3 or 4 runs every time out there (and that would be pretty good for Glavine, when considering his last couple of years), with OUR offense, we’ll lose every time he pitches.
June 3rd, 20096:18 pm
Chip Caray and Mark Lemke are homers to the nth degree (Braves, Cubs, or otherwise). No surprise that they play the “golly gee, why even sign Tom?” card. That’s what they do.
Peace Glav. This is professional sports, with millions of dollars at stake. EVERYONE knows players come and players go – no matter your “icon status” – it just does not make sense if you want to build a winning team. Im not sayin, im just sayin….
Before everyone gets too fired up over how this happened, maybe we should rule out the possibility that Glavine called Wren with muscle soreness this morning after throwing last night.
June 3rd, 20096:19 pm
There’s two sides to this story for you Wren haters. One is that the organization probably put too much hope and maybe pressure on Frenchy to be that HR/Avg. guy this year and thought the offense will be ok, so might as well sign Glavine for more pitching depth. It hasn’t turned out that way, and money is obviously tight.
The other side is why release him now after he’s put so much time into rehab? I don’t know, but it seems Wren or whoever panicked and thought,”Holy sh**, if he pitches 90 days, there’s him $3M guaranteed. Then, no chance to get a hitter that might be the difference in getting to the playoffs or not.”
Tommy G will be pitching for a rival team, prolly the phils or mets
June 3rd, 20096:20 pm
This just does not sound right…If this is the case, then I agree, what was the point?
As others have said, this could be a chop in the throat to the team after the emotional win last night. Come in all happy, only to hear the news about Glavine. It will be interested to see how the team responds.
June 3rd, 20096:21 pm
I should’ve said if Glavine stays on the Braves roster for 90 days that it’s $3M gauranteed.
June 3rd, 20096:22 pm
So many comments…none blog appropriate (CBF)
c’mon Madonna was scrappy in A League Of Their Own
June 3rd, 20096:23 pm
everyone is conveniently forgetting that we would have to pay him one million for his two benchmarks I believe 30 and 90 days on the roster…so it was a 3 million dollar move not a 1 million dollar move… 3 million dollars goes a long way in making this team truly better…Although I grew up with Glavine dazzling me throughout my elementry school days, I keep thinking that all we need to do is get to the playoffs and see what happens i.e. Cardinals of ‘07
What a buzz kill from last night’s energy.
In times like these I am reminded about the famous Jerry Seinfeld saying, “We’re just rooting for laundry.”
Rock On....(the denizen formerly known as Dadgum)
June 3rd, 20096:24 pm
Folks, guess you expected me to chime in. Glavine gave it a good effort but the scouts were not impressed after some rehab starts and what they saw mechanically. In addition, contrary to some reports here and otherwise all Glavine’s money WAS NOT DEFERRED. He throws one pitch and the Braves have to pay him 1 million. Yep. You got it.
In addition while he had iconic numbers he left before for more money so he must certainly understand his release today. We now move on and wish Glavine the best. Braves baseball was better served today with Glavine’s release. Bring up the youth and let’s get on with it. Oh yeah and bring another bat into the mix.
Press conference w/ Frank Wrenn at 6:60
It’s a sad note to end on but a practical one. It will give the organization a black eye and fodder for the sports commentators. I think Medlen’s performance put Wren in a quandry especially needing a big bat and 1M isn’t exactly chump change. We get Medlen who looks very capable and we keep the money. If Medlen falters any,it’s Hanson’s time. It’s not Wren’s fault Glavine hurt his shoulder.
I hate to hear that about Glavine but I can understand the Braves dilemma. They did give him a good rehab look and even though they released him his efforts in Gwinnett will help him if he chooses to pitch elsewhere. I think Glavine understands the move, after all he has more understanding of the biz of baseball than most other players.
C’mon folks, he was an insurance policy in case one of the guys they signed to the rotation struggled or didn’t pan out – which hasn’t really happened. I REALLY think they did him a service by letting him rehab all this time to get him ready for somebody else, frankly.
June 3rd, 20096:25 pm
My thoughts exactly…
I think this mean Wren has something in the works…
DFA Jeff Bennett and the release of Glavine potentially opens up $4 million right there, had Tommy came back and played 90 days…
Well I wish Glavine the best, but honestly, from a baseball standpoint, I’d rather see Tommy Hanson or Kris Medlen the rest of the year than Glavine. It was a nice sentimental story, but it’s done now. Good luck to him where ever he pitches.
This isn’t good no matter how you feel about Glavine. This is the worst thing they could have done to the guy.
The reason why I say it’s bad, even for those who didn’t want to see Glavine return, is that it appears to be motivated by money. If payroll is too tight to pay Glavine, then that is not a good sign for acquiring a big bat.
There are reports that his velocity was down in the 70’s, yet there are conflicting reports from his last rehab start that had him with a mid 80’s fastball.
Either way, he was throwing strikes and deserved to get a chance to pitch and see what he could do. That is why I believe this is payroll related.
Way to wipe out the glow from last night’s win.
Mets got rained out
“Tom Glavine, the winning pitcher in the game that clinched the Atlanta Braves’ only World Series championship, was released Wednesday, FoxSports.com and ESPN.com are reporting.
National baseball writer Ken Rosenthal, citing major league sources, said the team told Glavine he was being let go because his velocity is down. Glavine was throwing only 76-78 miles per hour in spring training but in recent starts had increased that to 83-86 miles per hour.”
June 3rd, 20096:26 pm
I have to think that the reason he just now got released is beause they kept holding out hope that he would continue to build strength and velocity while rehabing. Once he was deemed ready to go the top end just wasnt good enough to justify starting over Hanson. Plus this saves i believe 3.5 million that we can spend on a bat…
Either way TG is/was a damn good Brave. Best wishes
Anyone besides me troubled by Glav’s waistline in Gwinnett uni?
It’s poorly handled but the right decision. They need to spend that money on acquiring a BAT.
Oh, this is not going to look good for the Braves. First, Smoltz. Now, Glavine. Whether he had anything left or not, I expected them to at least let him make one start and either show he had nothing left, decide he had nothing and leave on his own, or they could release him then and give him his $1 mill and just say hey, he had nothing left.
But it looks bad to do it now, after he’s gone through all the rehab, pitched scoreless ball his last two starts (however he did it, he did it). What do you say for reason, “It wasn’t about the money, we just didn’t think he’d be effective”? Well, that’s been pretty obvious for a while now. Why wait until literally it came time to add him to the roster? Was it about $1 mill? He couldn’t make one start, or a couple of starts, but Medlen could, and Jo-Jo kept getting run out there and getting lit up?
Anyway, it looks bad, is all I’m saying.
I watched Hanson pitched the other day – and it was just overpowering. He’s been ready for the Bigs since Spring….
June 3rd, 20096:28 pm
I think everyone can agree that releasing Glavine and giving chance to Hanson and/or Medlen is the right baseball choice and the right economic choice.
It’s just I had hoped that from the Smoltz fiasco, the Braves front office would have learned a lesson in public relations. There’s nothing wrong with the decision except the timing. I know they wanted an insurance policy in the 5th starter job in case no one panned out, but the right time to have released him would have in late April, before Glavine went through this new round of rehab.
As we see from both Smoltz and Glavine fiascos, it’s very obvious that Wren isn’t scared of cutting ties to the past (which is very good). But, it is just as painfully obvious he’s not the most delicate handler of PR, and he needs to do a better job in that aspect to get the respect of your lay fans and so-called baseball insiders.
Going back to talk to Wren now in the back of the pressbox.
This was his quote from release:
“We appreciate and respect everything Tom has done for and brought to the Atlanta Braves organization and our fans,” Wren said in a prepared statement. “His accomplishments for our club during his Hall of Fame career is a measure of his dedication that we will always respect and admire. We wish him nothing but the best.”
the release is not the problem, it is once again the method. biggest win of the season, why not follow it up with releasing a braves icon.
please dont say it is because you think he cant pitch anymore.
this is about 3.5 million dollars, PERIOD.
if the braves dont use that money to improve themselves the public backlash should be loud to say the least.
my guess is that terry mcquirk probaly heard about it on the radio on his way to the ted.
he has other things to worry about. the most tense 10 seconds of his day is when he pulls into the parking lot and attempts to use his parking card.
Did I miss something or is there suddenly a law invoked in MLB that a switch hitter has to hit right handed against a left handed pitcher. If the poor baby Chipper’s toe is still bothering him when he swings right handed then bat lefty against the lefty instead of wimping out and not playing. Finding a way to play at all costs is what a true team leader does, but I guess not Chipper. (TVSPORTSCASTER)
Gawd I hope you’re name is a lie cause that is one of the stupidest posts I have ever read here. Just when was the last time you covered a game(LOL) in which that happened? What a farce.
On a related note, I think that releasing Glavine might actually help with the Braves effort to get better. Glavine’s return has been hanging around the Braves neck so to speak.
Now that it is done, and it does suck for us fans, the future is definitely clearer as far as what we will be doing with our pitching.
June 3rd, 20096:29 pm
So they Braves didn’t want to send down Frenchy last year at first because of PR. But they did this?
I’d understand letting him go earlier, or even after one start. But NOW?
Thank you FW for putting the best team on the field. This move means Hanson should be on the way soon? maybe?
Agreed. Looks REAL bad. Not a fan of Glavine & I would’ve rather the Braves not have signed him last season. But this is messed up.
Uh, before everyone gets too misty-eyed for Glavine, remember that Glavine walked out on the Braves 4-5 years ago–for not much more than what the Braves were offering him at the time. Glavine could have stayed and accepted the small “home town discount,” but he was a union man who felt that he owed it to the union to sign with the highest bidder since that pushed “the market” up higher.
Wren could release him because of that. If Glavine had never left the Braves, would’ve been much harder.
June 3rd, 20096:30 pm
So his pitching stints in Gwinnett and Rome were a farewell tour to Georgia fans? It sure looks that way now, doesn’t it?
The Real Don Steele
June 3rd, 20096:31 pm
Frank Wren is not Glavine’s agent. He is the General Manager of The Atlanta Braves Major League Baseball Team. Any decison he makes is what he considers to be in the best interests of the Atlanta Braves. Nothing more, nothing less.
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