2:22 pm June 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
Frank F'in Wren
June 4th, 200912:04 am
CL – What was to evaluate? Was he expecting the gun to start showing 90 instead of 80?
June 4th, 200912:06 am
Baseball Tonight on now !!
June 4th, 200912:07 am
Has Anyone Heard if there are teams interested in Glavine…? He will Sign With Philly, Boston, The mets or the “Bankees” Bank on It!
Glavine is A low Risk High Reward decision for any team
A team with a Good Offense would think it would be a good investment on Glavine…That’s why I think he signs with the Phillies or the Bankees
Great job Frank Wren! Glad we got a GM with some balls. Someone has to make the tough calls. Frendship don’t win games and Wrens job depends on him making the right call. Bobby lets friendship get in the way of his judgement and that cost us games as all of you know.AJ, JF etc. Time to make business decisions for the future of team and I’m glad Wren has the guts to do it. I believe there will be two more deals although he said not?
Let Bobby cry…damn he’s mad me cry enough.
Tom Glavine can have moderate success against A ballers who were probably wetting themselves at the plate to be facing a HOF’er, but forgetting he’s a has been.
June 4th, 200912:09 am
.500 at 26-26, 5.5 games out (6 in loss column), Phillies apparently never gonna lose again and Francoeur still playing everyday.
Gotta get to bed. Tomorrow I sign someone w/ a crazier name than Gorky’s.
June 4th, 200912:10 am
The Glavine move was the right move done the wrong way. As far as idiot Cox being saddened – well ……
Not too high on McClouth – biggest asset might be his speed and that wont be utilized on a Donk team.
Nice manipulation of the bullpen tonight by the Donker – I guess his excuse is he was in tears over Glavine
I assume Blanco or Barton will go back down when McLouth arrives, but which one?
That was a good one
Wayne in Utah
June 4th, 200912:11 am
Anybody think we still would be much improved with a guy like Mark DeRosa? I do.
But, I also don’t want to give up Kris Medlen for him though. JoJo maybe, but not Medlen.
DeRo would be a valuable addition to a team like the Braves. Could fill a lot of voids.
Cyndi Lauper's Aura
Not that anyone should care on a day like this, but…
I bought for $5 the FINAL CUT of ALEXANDER, Oliver Stone’s 3.5 hour no-I’m-seriously-using-ALL-my-footage-this-time last pass at saving the film.
Going into it with completely low expectations, expecting only to passively take it in and ooh and ahhh at some of the typical Oliver Stone “madness,” it still is mind-blowingly bad. Just awful.
June 4th, 200912:12 am
I’m goin’ with Boston. They’ll team him up witn Smoltz, either way, they’ve got their 5th starter spot solved, and maybe Smoltz to the pen.
Besides, he grew up there. But if Glavine is pissed, and feels dissed (:-)), perhaps Philly? With Brett Myers goin’ all BOOM, OUGHTA HERE for the season, they need some inings eaters. Imagine Moyer and Glavine in the same rotation. They can take turns telling the kids about how tough it was to face Ty Cobb.
June 4th, 200912:14 am
Wayne, I’d still love to have DeRo. But I think it was going to take Morton or Medlen to get him (too many clubs are interested – Cleveland isn’t going to “give” him away – longer they wait, the more they get), and since we gave up Morton already, I think we best hang on to Medlen.
But if he could be had for Jo-Jo? Absolutely make that deal.
June 4th, 200912:15 am
Guys, Hanson is pitching in just 3 games!!!!! What an exciting time for Braves fans!!!
When is Nate gonna play his first game?
June 4th, 200912:16 am
“Wren for Executive of the Year”
“This…is a slight divergence from the blog’s feelings towards Wren from, um…yesterday.”
I’ve stood by Wren all winter long when he was being critizied by fools about Peavy, Furcal, and so on. It was kinda funny how quickly together the Glavine and McLouth info came out. He didn’t need to make up for letting Glavine go to me. He needed to go because it was in the best interest of the organization. Baseball is, as I’ve said many times, a business. A business that can sometimes be cruel, but you gotta do whatever it takes to win and build for the future. Something that Wren’s done very well at.
June 4th, 200912:17 am
look at it this way. would you rather have glav in the five hole and blanco in center or hanson in the five hole and mclouth in center?
that 3.5 million that potenially would of gone to glavine went to mclouth.
the timing on the glavine release left something to be desired to say the least, but the braves are now a better team today and tommorow then they were yesterday.
gotta believe this is frenchy’s swan song in atlanta. dont see the braves paying him 5 million plus next year unless there is drastic improvement.
that is finally it. the big three are officially gone.
Rock On....(the denizen formerly known as Dadgum)
People, how could this possibly look bad for the Braves. Wren made a great business decision on Glavine. The man simply didn’t pass the litmus test. The Braves were GENEROUS to give a million just to continue his rehab with a POSSIBILITY of returning to Atlanta. No guarantees. What part in all that do people not get. Are you saying the Braves should have just let him walk away back last fall. No. The Braves gave him the chance. That chance didn’t happen so maybe he will latch on somewhere else. Quit crying in your beer and realize that this Braves team is a lot better now than it was 5 hours ago.
June 4th, 200912:18 am
Was there a better guy to play CF and help the offense out than McLouth? Especially because I don’t think we gave a ton for him. Those 3 traded for a player than can have an impact right now has got me all excited! Schafer needs to get things right in AAA where he never spent a freakin game anyways, and have him back and be what we saw in the first game of the year against Phi.
They’re obviously giving JF more chances to prove he can still do it, but if not, I’d look for another trade within a month or two. Wren is operating like he should…we want to win and he obviously does to. I’m happy tonight, except for the loss to stankin Cubs!
June 4th, 200912:21 am
uga-brave, I wouldn’t put it past Smoltz to come back next year, even if it’s as a reliever. I think Wren would do it if the price is within reason and of course if Smoltz has anything left.
June 4th, 200912:22 am
’d Rather have Ned Yost as manager (Tomahawkin)
really? I Think the bloom is off of Ned. He is much like Bobby but with less organization. Won’t surprise me to see him as a coach somewhere for awhile again. Many in baseball were not impressed with his managing job up there. We’ll see
Where are you getting the idea that McLouth is a good defensive CF? The metrics (UZR and +/-) show he’s not only not good, but pretty far (like, really far) below average with the glove in CF. Apart from making a few top 10 plays and winning a gold glove (an award voted on by people who aren’t necessarily objective and frequently comsider offense more than defense and hand the award to the wrong players), what makes you think he’s a good defensive CF? I’m not saying you’re wrong, you may (and probably do) know something I don’t, but what is it?
June 4th, 200912:23 am
tnbrian, i believe that bridge has been burned.
June 4th, 200912:24 am
McLouth’s actually hits best out of the 2 hole for power numbers. His splits against Rh/LH pitching is close avg. wise but much more power against RH pitchers. Higher OBP batting leadoff.
June 4th, 200912:26 am
That bridge was nuked, uga.
As for where Glavine will go you can bet it won’t be the Mets or NKL East team and actually doubtful a NL team will pick him up unless it is the Nats. Remember it wasn’t just Braves scouts in attendance during his rehab. If the Braves scouts weren’t warm and fuzzy about Glavine you can bet many others weren’t either. Maybe an AL team will take a shot. Perhaps a Tampa Bay.
TBF(n)K as Billy
June 4th, 200912:27 am
Glavine got a shot it was last year…Smoltz left for more money and a shot at the post-season…plus he did not want to wait for the Braves. Front office was clear this off season that Smoltz would get dealt with later in the off season…..he did not want to wait.
Let me ask you a question….you have and employee for your multi million dollar company…been with you for 20 years he however just cant do his job anymore….you reward him with an oppurtunity to retire. He doesnt want too? You risk running off or holding back a hot new employee with greeat ideas and talent if you keep the old guy. Keep in mind the old guy mans an critical spot on your team. You ould let your buisness suffer becasue of loyalty?
June 4th, 200912:28 am
TnBrian..if Smoltz comes back I hope it is as a pitching coach. No wait I would rather have Maddux. The Big 3 have left the building.
June 4th, 200912:29 am
DOB…you mentioned Schafer at the corners…but +/- numbers have Mclouth as a below average defender in spite of the gold glove (i.e. David Wright over Chipper Jones) so I would think that Schafer would hopefully take over in center and Heyward and Mclouth in the corners…
June 4th, 200912:30 am
Wren can sit back now and listen to offers from other teams and not appear as needy.
Also, while Mclouth could be a leadoff batter, it would be great to see what he can do with the protection of Chipper, Mccann or even GA…what do you guys think would be the best place for Mclouth?
That was a rough game tonight.
I’m still amazed but perhaps thankful more than anything that we won the first game because I hate them and even if they’re in fourth place, they’ve kind of had the upper hand lately.
I was hoping for a similar result as opening night, the only other game I’ve been to so far.
Man, we had a chance to take the series and we left way too many guys on base. Jeff is so unbelievably predictable.
That’s somewhat of an oxy moron if I’m not mistaken.
I was happy to be there with my friend, the lone Cub fan I know with the slightest bit of humility and perspective. I really have never been anywhere where the opposing team’s fans make that much noise. It was crazy. I mean, I get supporting your team but to be so arrogant about it after virtually never having won a World Series is beyond me. What? It’s been over a hundred years. It might as well have never happened.
A win was necessary and we should have had one. That was just terrible.
I can’t believe Matty let Lee get to second on that ball. Our releivers really didn’t look like they were interested in throwing strikes. That was rough.
I’d be optimistic about JJ going tomorrow but he never gets any run support so it’s just as bad to me as the thought of Medlen making another start.
McLouth… is it really McLouth? I thought it was McClouth. Whatever, he better ****in’ bring it tomorrow. Have to win this series.
June 4th, 200912:34 am
I Think McLouth Will Be Known As Macc Daddy and Keep the B-Macc nickname for McCann…
I hope McLouth’s Intro will be old Bone Thugs N Harmony “Notorious Thugs”, or SoutherPlayalisticCadillacMuzik by Outkast, The Into to that song kicks Ass, Especially the funky guitar…
June 4th, 200912:35 am
chop chop, kinda like the bridge over river kwai?
so i see sammy has officially retired and is awaiting his induction to the hall of fame.
good luck sammy, dont forget your corked bat collection.
June 4th, 200912:36 am
I like Mclouth Esco and Chipper as the 1-2-3 in the Linup…
I think KJ Hits better in the 6th Slut…I think he puts too much pressure on himself to get on base when he hits leadoff
why do we have to win this game?
June 4th, 200912:38 am
Gotta Be Up in 3 Hours…! I’m gonna chill out to some old Master P and TRU “Pop Goes the Nine” Good Chillax song…
Mitchell – McLouth…one C
If McLouth can hit at least .275 consistently, I think it’ll be worth it. But that’s got me worried. He started off on fire last year, but took a nose dive over the last few months if I’m not mistaken. And he’s what…256 right now? He hasn’t proven himself to be consistent yet, and giving up Gorkys and Locke has me a bit worried.
Plus he’s a lefty…good night do we need another lefty in this lineup??
Mitchell redsox Braves is worse…..went to that game few years ago….it was fun though.
But a little prespectivee…went to phonix this past weekend and their were a rather largee contiginat of Brave fans….ssorry for the bad typing my keyboard is messedu p
June 4th, 200912:39 am
cant blame the bullpen for tonight. the braves have 12 hits in their last 23 innings. three of those the infield variety.
June 4th, 200912:41 am
Can I ask a weird question?
Whatever happened to Bubdylan? That dude was hilarious and just realized I hadn’t seen him post in a long time.
June 4th, 200912:42 am
Good Point about the Offense…But I still think we got F’d in the A..s by the Umpires tonight…
June 4th, 200912:45 am
I do miss bub too!
June 4th, 200912:46 am
uga-brave, probably so, but maybe Bobby could swoon him back?
Tomahawkin, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to either see McLouth leading off or hitting 5th behind Mac tomorrow night. He has some speed for the leadoff for sure, but CJ/Mac could use a guy to protect them. We’ll see, should be fun to watch.
June 4th, 200912:47 am
Jermaine Dye Is Clowning! He may be the next move
He Is on pace for 45-120 We need him NOW! Granted he hits in a Hitters Paradise
Phil in GA
June 4th, 200912:49 am
DOB or anyone else,
Anybody got a link to Cox’s post-game interview? I respect his loyalty to players and cannot imagine how hard this evening’s been for him. I know DOB said he seemed close to tears – would love to see how he answered those difficult questions tonight.
Man, what a mixed bag o’ emotions. I’ve been rooting for Glav out of loyalty and appreciation, so it’s hard to see him go. On paper, definitely seems like smart decisions today, but, geez, just the knack the Braves seem to have right now for such messy divorces. Makes it a bit more difficult to be excited about the GOOD news (McLouth, Hanson).
I’m at that point where I’m getting older than most of my favorite players. Think that’s what makes it that much sadder when a link to the Braves (and your own) past is severed.
Best of luck Tommy.
June 4th, 200912:51 am
Find One Frenchy: I don’t smoke, but my point was “where is the loyalty?” All 3 pitchers ultimately left for a little more money than the Braves offered when each had already made over 100 million apiece from the Braves. How much money does one person need?
Maddox knew by accepting arbitration it would put the team over budget, meaning someone would have to go (Millwood in this case); his selfishness cost the Braves a key player. Chipper has reworked his contract to allow the Braves more money to spend on other players, but Smoltz and Glavine, IMHO, stiffed the Braves by leaving for a little more money and throwing loyalty out the door.
I was especially sorry to see Smoltz go as I think he has more heart that anyone I’ve ever seen in watching baseball for over 50 years and I wanted him to finish his career with the Braves and pitch in the Post Season one more time.
I still think the Braves made the right decisions today and the team will be much better with Hanson than Glavine.
June 4th, 200912:53 am
write up by SI, interesting take…however…I think he underestimates the impact of our pitching much less the impact of having a merly servicable bat in our lineup with or with out CJ. Our record is really good when we have CJ, B-Mac, and Esco in the line up.. when chip is out we havent got a good bat to replace him and the offence goes to crap…I think Nate will help this…alot…I think if we avg 4 runs a gamee weree going to bee in the postseason.
June 4th, 200912:54 am
but +/- numbers have Mclouth as a below average defender in spite of the gold glove (i.e. David Wright over Chipper Jones) (KYLE)
what were the +/- numbers on Wright and Chipper that year, Kyle if you don’t mind? Very few people who are not tied to the Braves one way or another consider Chipper a good defender. In fact at one point saber-stats presented him as one of the worst 10 years ago or so. I never thought he was that bad, but after years scouting players I never thought he was particularly good either.
June 4th, 200912:56 am
Just got back from the game. Reading this blog. Yes, the Braves are better, but no way in HELL we can compete with the Phillies. U still have NO offense from the corner outfield, CF with McLouth (presumeably) will be above average. U have avg offense in 2nd, SS, and 1st…..compare that to the Phils with Howard, Utley, Rollins, and Ibanez–all who are arguably at the top of their positions……please.
As much as I would like to believe as a FAN of the Braves, any objective evaluation of the division has the Phillies first, Mets a close second, and the Braves a distant third (probably an 85 win season)
June 4th, 200912:57 am
Jermaine Dye Is Clowning! He may be the next move (Tomahawkin)
don’t hold your breath unless you look great in blue.
June 4th, 200912:59 am
It’s a great trade. Gotta love having a legit, young outfielder under team control. His defense is indeed vastly overrated. He’ll give you just enough gritty white guy dives to delude you into believing he’s far better out there defensively than he really is. But he is a valuable offensive weapon. Not quite the big bat promised in early October, but he’s a very good offensive player. Still can’t believe Wren pulled it off for a pitcher with a two cent head and even more worthless heart, a guy who could be the next Kenny Lofton but who will be lucky if he’s even the next Juan Pierre, and a Single A pitcher.
Hopefully, Schafer will get it figured out and push McClouth over to left, where he is better suited defensively. I’m not convinced at all though that Schafer will ever become what so many on here presume he will become. Kids in their early twenties shouldn’t have that much of a hard time catching up to mediocre fastballs. The one thing they should be able to do is mash fastballs. That kid was getting smoked over and over again with almost nothing but fastballs, many of which were barely over 90. It was mind boggling that a kid so young, without any serious mechanical flaws, and who wasn’t really encountering difficult pitch patterns, could get so overwhelmed with fastballs. Really wouldn’t be shocked to see Schafer never turn into much of anything.
Hate to see what happened with Glavine, but it was time to move the hell on already. Glavine’s Brave career started with a trade (got called up to replace Doyle Alexander when Alexander was traded for Smoltz), and ends with a trade for McClouth coupled with the promotion of Hanson. Glavine’s ERA was 5.54 in 1987, and 5.54 in 2008. As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end, ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
June 4th, 20091:02 am
smoltz back at it now that class….if I were a redsox player I would wonder why my pitcher was always talking about stuff going on on another team.
June 4th, 20091:04 am
Terrific baseball trade for McLouth. Utterly classless move to release Glavine in that manner. What a cold-hearted jerk Wren is. I would hate to be Mrs. Wren…
June 4th, 20091:09 am
Glavine left the Braves and took the best offer from the Mets years ago. Thats buisness but that street runs both ways. The braves didnt owe Glavine anything.
June 4th, 20091:10 am
Good moves today by the Bravos. Sad to see Glavine go, but it had to be done.
Whos to say that Glavine wouldn’t break down again after a few starts? I mean, those are just chances that the Braves had to take if they had any inclination of wanting to contend again.
I’m sad about Smoltz and Glavine being gone, but if you have a flat tire, you just don’t keep riding on it because it’s your favorite tire, you have to replace it!
June 4th, 20091:12 am
I presume McLouth will be available for tomorrow’s game….is this confirmed?
June 4th, 20091:13 am
Shoulda moved the hell on in the offseason, Braveheart. Wren managed to make me, a guy who didn’t even want Tom Glavine on this team, angry about releasing Tom Glavine. That’s quite an accomplishment.
Yunel's Frosted Tip's
June 4th, 20091:16 am
Break my freakin’ heart with the Bobby Cox sob stories. Wren and his boys knew that could not trust Cox to manage Glavine if he got shelled after a return to the bigs. Cox has proven countless times that the “good ole boy network” is more important to him that using his head. He woulda kept running him out there and costing us more games. Wren is showing a big set of nuts and I for one am proud of him. I hope Cox is next to go, if not at least I bet Wren has his attention by now. Thank you Mr. Wren for bringing sanity and common sense to the organization, take a day or two off, and then get Ned Yost in the dugout and look for the Braves a new hitting coach as well. Bring Jimy Williams back to run the dugout. (Chino leaves with Bobby). Put Frenchy on notice as they say in the NFL draft, Jeff Francouer is now on the clock.
June 4th, 20091:17 am
This team is the 2008 team. Every bit of momentum is quashed immediately. Any time something gets going, they crap it all away like sweeping the Blue Jays and then getting swept by the Giants.
Smoltz said, “I know too much. Let’s just put it that way.”
Everybody all together now: “oooooooooooooooooooohhhhh.”
June 4th, 20091:18 am
Kind sentiments regarding Morton sir. Damn.
p.s. I agree with you on Schafer. Just don’t say it to loud, sometimes its best for folks to draw their own conclusions from reality.
June 4th, 20091:19 am
Mind y’own bi’ness.
June 4th, 20091:20 am
While I believe letting Glavine go when he was that close to returning is wrong and the timing of it was just bad (way to kill momentum after a huge win the night before) I understand why Wren felt the time was now for these moves (Glavine and McClouth). He’s watching this team slide in the standings and he felt now was the time to act and he couldn’t afford to wait. If we had the record of Philadelphia I feel almost certain they give Glavine the chance to see what he’s got but with the performance of this team they helped to force these decisions. You don’t have much room to wait and see if this works out when you’re the chasing team which is what we are. Same thing kind of apply’s to the Smotlz dealings. Boston could afford to pay more money and wait for John Smoltz to make a June return. If we signed Smoltz I don’t know how our other pitching signings would have fell, but I doubt we get both KK or Lowe or even make that deal to Glavine. Wish things could have been handled better but its whatever. I know its a lot of disapointment in the locker room on the Glavine thing but I believe if we had performed better he gets the chance to at least show what he can do. If he didn’t have it, then a move would have probably been made but the Braves haven’t put themselves in a position to be able to have such luxuries. Thats my take.
DOB – Regarding your 10:07 post – you’re absolutely right. The McLouth deal was a steal for the Braves. They gave up nothing of impact over the next 2-3 years to get 3+ years of control for an all star, gold glover, and potentially someone that can hit leadoff.
The Glavine deal is another story, though. I’m excited to see Hanson pitch on Saturday (already have my tickets! ) but the Braves just didn’t treat Glavine fairly. If they were expecting him to improve on what he had done beyond the obvious – shaking off some of the rust, building arm strength, getting more comfortable with his control and the touch on his pitches – then it’s something that should have been made clear months ago. His lack of velocity can’t be the real story. It just can’t be. It has to either be salary driven given taking on McLouth’s salary and/or the progression that Hanson has shown so that it’s just worth the additional cost to have Glavine pitch.
With taking on McLouth, if they have to lose salary, it could be like the Milwood deal of a few years ago. You incur salary in one place you’ve got to lose it in another. And if that’s the deal, it’s a tough choice to be made but one FW should have been straight up about. Hey, we signed a great CF and this is a tough choice but makes our club better.
The other possiblity is that Hanson has done so well that it’s hard to justify paying Glavine $3-4m more than what Hanson will cost this year to do no more than Hanson could do. If this is FW’s feeling then perhaps it’s fair. He could well be right. I’d have preferred to hear him say that, though. Hey, Hanson has been dynamite. We’ve gotta give him a shot. Sorry that Glavine is the odd man out but we don’t feel like we have a spot in our rotation for him.
It hurts to see Glavine go – I appreciate all he did for the Braves – but it may be a good call of FW’s part. It’s disappointing to hear FW making it sound like Glavine isn’t living up to some expectation that the Braves have put on him without giving him a shot to pitch at this level, especially considering the timing of it with him being scheduled to be called up and all the other moves, though. I just wish FW would have been a little bit more up front in his dealings. That’s what will leave a bad taste in everyone’s mouth.
Glavine – thanks, man. You’ll always be a Brave in my book.
Go Braves. Go McLouth, Go Hanson. Can’t wait for Saturday night!
June 4th, 20091:21 am
YO PAT — Let me get this straight, you say the Braves will win 85 games and finish a “distant” third ?? You think the Mets and the Phillies are going to be 95+ win teams ???
You are out of your mind !!!!
I’m not buying the no offense in left anymore. I think Anderson is finally showing what he can be and I think will be the rest of the season. Not to say thats enough to win the division, but at least I think it will be a productive position.
June 4th, 20091:22 am
“…a pitcher with a two-cent head and even more worthless heart…”
Musta been betting on Charlie’s starts.
I dont think FW would like you to be mrs either………..:)
John Smoltz had something to say, huh? Wow, what a friggin’ shocker. Did he really mean what he said this time? Or was it once again a case of that gasbag being screwed and taken out of context by a “bulldog reporter” or the “homeboy upstairs” or the “rookie agent”? Can’t wait to see that blowhard get his teeth kicked in when he comes to the Ted. There’s no hope of ever getting him to STFU, so maybe if he gets his teeth kicked in, he’ll at least sound funny when he says the funny things he says (or, at least, the funny things the bulldog reporters and rookie agents somehow claim he says)
really? Glavine? He got 1 Million dollars to train. The scouts said Hanson was the better option.. Wren had worked out a salary deferment over the next few years for Glavine. It wasn’t the money as much as the production. Wren had already covered the payroll portion of the deal. Hanson needs his chance man. Period.
June 4th, 20091:24 am
ESPN reports Redsox just signed glavine and bought golf course in florida.
June 4th, 20091:25 am
“don’t hold your breath unless you look great in blue.”
What does that Mean…?
Damn, Braveheart firin’ on all cylinders… I love it.
June 4th, 20091:28 am
What Good Does It make to have Loaf Sit when he has been hot…?
I’m not hating on Matty-D but I hate the odds on the Lefty Lefty/Righty Righty’s matchups Crap…!
Good Hitters and veterans in MLB should be able to hit all pitchers…
June 4th, 20091:30 am
It worries me too that Schafer has been overwhelmed by mediocre fastballs all Spring, many of which were right down broadway, I hope there’s a logical explanation for that but logically it escapes me.
June 4th, 20091:32 am
Yo Caveman, the Phils won 92 games last year WITHOUT
The ol’ Braves golf team ain’t what it used to be.
June 4th, 20091:34 am
Yo Caveman, the Phils won 92 games last year WITHOUT Ibanez, so I think 92-95 win season for them is highly attainalbe. So yes, 7-10 games out of first place does seem “distant” to me….
Yeah, Chop Chop, the kindest thing you can do is often the cruelest thing. No sense leading him on like they did. That was quite cruel. Should have just had the guts to tell him thanks, but no thanks in the winter. But no sense compounding the initial cruelty with additional cruelty. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It would be cruel to let him go out there, hurt the team, and humiliate himself while he gets his brains beaten in with a fastball barely touching 80, just because they want to be kind to him. Time to move on.
June 4th, 20091:35 am
I was reading the Pittsburgh blog…Fans seem VERY unhappy they traded McLouth. He seemed like a fan favorite amongst them. I am pretty happy with the trade. Most fans over there said McLouth will do what ever he has to do to win.
June 4th, 20091:37 am
hawkin, gotta agree with you there man but who knows maybe w/o that day off GA’s already slow legs might be even slower. gotta come up with some reason right? ha
How did they lead him on? They watched his rehab starts to see if he got better, and he didn’t. How were they to know in the beginning this would be the case? Keep in mind he was supposed to be pitching for them in APRIL! So after getting paid last year to do nothing, he was doing it again this year. What did they owe him after all this?
June 4th, 20091:39 am
Last thoughts on the events of the day. As for N8Mac, come on down and give us a lift. To Tommy “Heat” Hanson, let er fly on Saturday!
To Tommy Glavine, see how it feels now, after bolting off to NYM! I will not be sorry he is gone. Baseball is a business, get over it dude!
As for John Smoltz: Didn’t we used to have a player by that name???
June 4th, 20091:41 am
learner, you hit the nail on the head
Did you guys read the Smoltz reaction? He rips the braves!!!
June 4th, 20091:43 am
don’t hold your breath unless you look great in blue.”
What does that Mean… (Tomahawkin)
it’s a joking way of saying that I don’t believe it will happen. if you hold your breath too long you turn blue, a facetious take on “don’t hold your breath”
June 4th, 20091:44 am
John who?? Does anybody really care what he thinks???
June 4th, 20091:45 am
I think it has less to do with Glavine’s stuff than with the fact that this McLouth deal was going to be done. The business side of it makes perfect sense.
June 4th, 20091:46 am
i scooped you N nine
The ugly Truth
The Phillies are frauds who’ll finish second or third.
June 4th, 20091:48 am
Do U live in Fayetteville Georgia or Elsewhere? Because I grew up down there and moved to Fayetteville Arkansas, talk about culture shock for real…!
June 4th, 20091:50 am
The Braves have finally done what everyone and the players have wanted for the past few years. Smoltz is just wining because those moves involved him and Glavine getting the axe. The Braves don’t want to have (regardless of improvements) pitchers that they have to worry about something poppin off when they pitch. Even if Hanson or Medlen never have outstanding success this year, I’m pretty sure after every pitch or game we won’t be worrying if they can strap it on in the next four days. Players and fans have wanted the Braves to not put up with mediocre players and put the best product on the field. It’s just that they departed with two aging pitchers is what p****s him off, and it shouldn’t. Had we had a rotation of Smoltz,Glavine, Vazquez, Jurrjens and KK( from the begging of the year….with Jojo/Morton/Medlen /Hanson pitching for John and Tom), we’d be 16 games out by now.
June 4th, 20091:51 am
I knew About the don’t hold your breath phrase…But I’m Not used to turning blue, I’m a mixed dude sort of…
And BTW I had no Idea that Mixed/Black dudes could get farmers tans…Go Figure?
June 4th, 20091:52 am
i scooped you N nine (TBF(n)K AS BILLY)
So, how was NNINE supposed to word this?
NNINE has learned John Smoltz has ripped the Braves again?
NNINE has learned that TBF(n)K is reporting that Ken Rosenthal is reporting that John Smoltz is a gasbag?
“He’s definitely an upgrade,” said Braves closer Mike Gonzalez, who played with McLouth in Pittsburgh in 2005 and ‘06. “He’s a great clubhouse guy. He’s fluent in Spanish, too. He’s just a top-notch guy.”
Looks like Escobar got a New BFF.
June 4th, 20091:53 am
I just don’t get what all the angst is about. Wren was very specific last winter that Tom would be a back up option, one that after paying for his rehab they decided was not in their favor. Get over it bleeding hearts. This board is unbelievable in it’s lust for old Braves. Man up and deal with it, Tom opened that gate when he walked away years ago for not much more than the Braves offered. If he had been here all along they might have given him more leeway. Most of you have been whining all season for Hanson. How did you think he was going to get up here? Some of you will bitch & moan about anything, just for the sheer joy of it. Never seen such a covey of whiners.
June 4th, 20091:54 am
Okay so does Barton or Blanco go down?
Medlen was moved to the pen…but would he not be available til Saturday?
June 4th, 20091:55 am
But I’m Not used to turning blue, I’m a mixed dude sort of…(Tomahawkin)
you just never held your breath long enough
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