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a643dp
June 3rd, 2009
10:29 pm
Well we will be out of first 5 1/2 games when the night is done. PHL is up 2-0 in the first against the crappy AAA Padres.
Soph
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Neverminddddddd. Blah.
Oh well, maybe tomorrow. At least we got McClouth to look forward to.
DirtyYuni
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
I’d LOVE to see Frenchy get a shot here…
Jerald Holcombe
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Even Gregg can’t lose to this sh!tty offense two days in a row.
bravesgirlnc
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Is there some hope that Bennett gets sent away, far away?
MFin04
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Braves can’t win with Bobby at the helm. He finds ways to lose games and doesn’t understand who to pitch and when. Fire Bobby, release Bennett and we can move on.
JJ
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Jeff Bennett is a freaking bum, loser, piece of trash pitcher. Why the hell is he still on this team anyway???????
Cyndi Lauper's Aura
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Missing Kotchman.
Also missing McLouth. When will he be back?
Eric from MO
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Yeah N8, when I heard Hanson was getting called up and Glavine was being released I expected everyone to be celebrating. Instead they are complaining.
RHR
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Wow Tomahawkin you’re 0 for about 1000 by now huh?
Good day for the Braves anyway. Should have a good looking line up tomorrow and a stud on the hill.
Jeff Bennett
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
I’m your loser again!
N8
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Well, SOOB!!! This frickin team can’t win a damn game! They suck. Season over!
Just kidding. Still a good day to be a Braves fan. Tough game to lose after coming back again. But we’ll see what the weekend holds.
Tomahawkin
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Did We have a Hit the Last 3 Innings…?
AWFense Is Garbage…
McLouth Will Turn it around
McFann :Ô:
June 3rd, 2009
10:30 pm
Tomahawkin–
Too bad they didn’t.
He always has to strikeout twice in a game. I’ll have to look up how many times he’s done that this year.
DagNABBIT!!!! What happened?
Night all.
big banger
June 3rd, 2009
10:31 pm
Dob
they have it at 15.75 also but i do not see how they are getting that number – even with the signing bonus and the other bonuses it would not add up to that – am i missing something?
Mixxo
June 3rd, 2009
10:31 pm
Oh well lets go get ‘em tomorrow night with the new lineup and WIN this series.
bigmacattack
June 3rd, 2009
10:31 pm
“Will Braves build off thrilling win?”
No.
Cyndi Lauper's Aura
June 3rd, 2009
10:31 pm
You guys can’t seriously be pissed about this hardfought loss tonight, with this limpy line-up. C’mon.
RC
June 3rd, 2009
10:31 pm
RHR,
Based on the fact Glavine said prior to this season that he’d ONLY want to play in Atlanta so that he could be close to his family and he told the AJC a day or two ago that he would NOT play in 2010, I think there is a very good chance that he retires. Which brings me back to my original question: If he doesn’t play a game in MLB this year (or the future), would he be eligible for the Hall the same year as Maddux?
Bobby Cox and Jeff Bennett
June 3rd, 2009
10:31 pm
Together, we can lose ten games this year!
TNScott
June 3rd, 2009
10:32 pm
I hope we can’t get this umpiring crew out of here asap.
groundfog
June 3rd, 2009
10:32 pm
Bases loaded 2 outs with Frenchy, and he swung at garbage. That was the game imo
Tomahawkin
June 3rd, 2009
10:32 pm
RHR
That’s Cold!
I had Blind Optomism after last nights come from behind win…
And I will have blind Optomism tomorrow…
steve_97060
June 3rd, 2009
10:33 pm
I’m starting to suspect that Jeff321 and MFin04 are the same person.. their posts are suspiciously close to the same tone and content in negativity, then wildly swinging back the opposite direction when something good happens… and have you noticed, no one has ever seen them in the same room together…. hmmmmm
a643dp
June 3rd, 2009
10:33 pm
RC,
Yes because he wasnt on a MLB roster.
Doc Holiday
June 3rd, 2009
10:33 pm
Goldenglove002,
Thanks
Mixxo
June 3rd, 2009
10:33 pm
Eric from MO -
Dunno about everyone else, but I loved that move….along with he others.
Braves Kill Momentum Again
June 3rd, 2009
10:33 pm
Phillies winning. Prepare to be 6 losses back in the loss column.
Turtsnap
June 3rd, 2009
10:34 pm
Well, I love the trade for McLouth. We get a proven All Star CF for prospects, surrendering no one on our 25 man roster. I still think the Braves will be making another big trade between now and the trade deadline. I think the Schafer send down is to see if he can get his head on straight, and if so, I believe Frenchy is moved… We’ll see!!
Tomahawkin
June 3rd, 2009
10:34 pm
TN Scott
ASAP Should Be the song of the Night…
The Umpires P’d Me off more than the Awfense…
The Cubs Will Bean One of our hitters tomorrow, Bank On It…!
That HBP By D-LO, Even though I liked it, Costs us the game…!
McFann :Ô:
June 3rd, 2009
10:35 pm
groundfog–
That, yeah…and the umps blew that first strike ‘em out, throw ‘em out double play. We shoulda won 2-naught.
But no…
N8
June 3rd, 2009
10:35 pm
Eric, I’m actually a little disappointed. I listened to Glavines start a few days ago online, and the announcers said he looked fluid and good. I think he worked his but off to get back, and maybe was back where he was last year (before the injury), unfortunately, you’re right. Hanson “forced” the move. Because Hanson NOW, is probably still better than Glavine in the past 2-3 years.
2007 we could have used Glavine. 2009? Not so much. Could have used him in the month of May to shore up the 5th spot to buy time for Hanson. But this was clearly the right move.
I’m shocked they did it, and happy about it. If Tommy is capable of pitching still, he’ll find work. If he’s not? Then it just proves Wren’s point, that Hanson was the correct choice.
I imagine that Hanson feels a bit like David Justice did in 1990. Since the Braves essenitally traded Murphy to make room for Justice. Fans weren’t happy about it, but it was the RIGHT move.
Hanson will be fine.
Braves Kill Momentum Again
June 3rd, 2009
10:35 pm
Getting about time to flush the “Awwfense” phrase, right?
It’s so stale and was never clever, witty or funny.
Jack
June 3rd, 2009
10:35 pm
I DO NOT appreciate the tacky, disrespectful way that Glavine was released (or that Maddux got either, for that matter). They both gave SO MUCH to the Atlanta fans and the Braves organization. The Braves management have shown themselves to be CLASSLESS in the handling of our
Hall of Fame greats. Glavine Maddux and Smoltz were dumped like dirty dishwater.Shame on the CLASSLESS Braves organization!
braves phanatic
June 3rd, 2009
10:37 pm
seriously, how do you not come out red hot after last night’s thrilling win? i guess you have to just suck. your ace goes 7 and only gives up 2 and you cant scrape three runs across to win it 10? this is just an average team that doesnt know how to be winners. im sorry, but we are going to need a lot more than nate mclouth to make to october. we are going to need at least 2 more nate mclouths to make it past september.
just like after the game against the cards a few weeks back when we were down 0-1 until the 8th and we got a two run single to take the lead. top of the 9th gonzo sits em down 1..2..3 including a pujols strike out. you thought to yourself “this team is about to go one a tear”. well, we dropped the next one 5-3 and then lost 4 out of our next 5. its almost like this team saw that they missed a golden opportunity to get on a roll and fell apart for a stretch. if it happens again the season will be lost. because after this homestand we are going to need the help of god to get through the remaining june and early july schedule… its sucks. but this is just a .500 ball club at best. we need to add at least one more power hitting outfielder to have a chance and wren acted like he wasnt going to make any more moves. oh well.
Cubs Rock
June 3rd, 2009
10:37 pm
Atlanta (AP) –Braves phony All-Star catcher Brian McCann was arrested after tonight’s game for “first-degree fraud.” Sources say McCann was arrested under the obscure Georgia law after attempting to pass himself off as an All-Star even after being struck out by Kevin Gregg and playing poor defense.
Developing….
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
June 3rd, 2009
10:37 pm
DFA JEFF BENNET GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tomahawkin
June 3rd, 2009
10:38 pm
Gawd Watching those Bandwagon Cubs Fans at Wrigley Field South Is sickening!
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
June 3rd, 2009
10:39 pm
The biggest cherry on top of Wren’s wizardry today would have been to DFA JEFF BENNETT!!!!!!!!!!
This man is a team cancer. ATL is a one man cancer away from being a phenomenal playoff team!
DFA BENNETT, PLEASE WREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
McFann :Ô:
June 3rd, 2009
10:40 pm
The Braves need some suede jackets. Then they’d leave the house with a whole new confidence…
Frankie Knuckles
June 3rd, 2009
10:40 pm
Braves lost this game because of the patchwork offense. It will get better, and it has, tonight. We just replaced an out machine for a quality center fielder. With Nate batting first KJ can produce to his potential. Chipper has to do what it takes to get that toe back 100%. I see this team improving quite a bit. Call me a homer. Oh, and Hanson can’t hurt.
Tomahawkin
June 3rd, 2009
10:42 pm
Cubs Rock
Take Ur Roo-D-Pooh Candy A..s to the Mlb.com Boards…! Unless you are on this blog to talk baseball Otherwise Shut The F Up and Sit Down!!!
And when was the last Time You guys won a World Series…?
TBF(n)K as Billy
June 3rd, 2009
10:42 pm
Well cant say our fans are knowledgeable bunch….anyone who thinks glavine needs to be here for loyalty or class dont remember his “exodus” to the mets where loyalty really didnt matter to him when it counted. Besides were going foward not backwards, which would of happend if Glavine was not released, beside dont think we could afford mclouth if we kept glavine.
c jonze
June 3rd, 2009
10:43 pm
Anyone:
Name a prospect from this organization that was given up for a veteran player in a trade that went on to be a legit player. Adam Wainwright. Jason Schmidt maybe? This front office may give up lots of young, talented players for immediate help, but never has lost many stars. I think we are usually on the better end of most deals, and not many teams can say that.
RC
June 3rd, 2009
10:43 pm
Jack,
The Braves organization is SO classless that it allowed Greg Maddux to return to the team that drafted him as a FREE AGENT for 3 years and $24 million. How dare they allow someone to take the best offer available on the open market! They should be ashamed!
steve_97060
June 3rd, 2009
10:43 pm
FW on baseball tonight on the next segment…
Ron Roberts
June 3rd, 2009
10:43 pm
Hanson up, McClouth in… can we move Bennett now, please? Don’t get me wrong, asking ANY pitching staff to hold off the Cubs for ONLY 2 or less runs is asking too much (do we bat with foam bats?) but still, Jeff Bennett’s suckitude has been the MOST consistent thing about this team, aside from Lowe’s good starts. ANOTHER wasted performance for our rotation…
Shamus Thacker
June 3rd, 2009
10:43 pm
This Bennett thing is a broken record. He should be yanked as soon as he puts a runner on, always. Too inconsistent from pitch-to-pitch to be trusted late in a tight game.
a643dp
June 3rd, 2009
10:43 pm
Cubs Rock- Is that in reference to the Crack Rock that Ferguson Jenkins smoked on his way to ball park to pitch for the cubbies. Has he pulled a Frank Lucus and Blue Magic copyrite it. Calling it Cubs Rock??????
TBF(n)K as Billy
June 3rd, 2009
10:43 pm
Wrens going to be on EsPN in a few
Frankie Knuckles
June 3rd, 2009
10:45 pm
TBF,
Glavine’s money had been deferred for like 5 years. The answer is yes we could have kept him, but, we would have lost Tommy Hanson. Its Hanson’s turn man. Let the young guy make his bones.
Doc Holiday
June 3rd, 2009
10:46 pm
Turtsnap,
What does Schafer has to do with moving JF or not? Are you saying the Braves would play Schafer in RF?
Jack,
Remember that TG dumped the organization first a few years ago, for $$$$$$$
RC
June 3rd, 2009
10:46 pm
I actually did see one of Glavine’s rehab starts, although it was about 2 weeks ago. He was topping out at about 82 mph, and the hitters were pretty much able to sit on a pitch and hit it hard when they saw it. Also, he had a hard time finding the strike zone, although I’d guess that was due to it being so early in his rehab. Unless he made amazing improvement over his next 3 starts, I don’t see any way he would have been successful against major league batters.
Jackie Moon
June 3rd, 2009
10:46 pm
Frank Wren fixing to be interviewed on Baseball tonight…
N8
June 3rd, 2009
10:46 pm
“I DO NOT appreciate the tacky, disrespectful way that Glavine was released (or that Maddux got either, for that matter).” Jack
You pretty much lost all credibility by including Maddux in there. The Braves were doing what any smart team would do. They offered Maddux arbitration (so they could receive compensation for him signing elsewhere), and Maddux accepted it. FORCING the Braves to dump Milwood for Estrada.
So if anybody is to blame, it’s Maddux. Or, if you’d prefer to blame the system. There should be a lesser compensation available to those who “lose” free agents, and DON’T offer arbitration.
But Glavine has to understand this is business. After all, he was the players rep for the union. He left for more money to go to the Mets. Deep inside, Glavine has to be smirking about how this went down. Because he would have handled it the same way if he was Wren and had to make the same choice he did. Business is business, and it always has been with Glavine. So not. While sad to see him go, I’m not shedding any tears for him tonight.
Tomahawkin
June 3rd, 2009
10:46 pm
WOW, I’m actually Watch BSPN Baseball tonight, for the FW segment…
I haven’t watch BBTN in years…! That show went to the toilet 5 years ago…
BravoMan
June 3rd, 2009
10:46 pm
Wren for Executive of the Year. I commend him for the tremendous work he’s done this year. He’s held on to key prospects and Atlanta fan’s have a bright future ahead of them with the likes of Chipper, McCann, Lowe, and McClouth locked up.
Mixxo
June 3rd, 2009
10:47 pm
Wrens going to be on EsPN in a few
Am ……watching.
MDBravesFan
June 3rd, 2009
10:47 pm
Wren on ESPN, they should ask him why he didn’t ship Bennett too! What a disaster. He is an automatic run (at least one) for opposing teams. Unreal…
kenhotlanta
June 3rd, 2009
10:47 pm
Savannah Guy: “What part of good character, ethical business and keeping your word don’t you understand?”.
Nice sentiments, but I think you and others are looking at this through rose colored glasses. Bottom line is it is all about the money: Glavine left us for the Mutts for more money, Smoltz left us for the Red Sox for more money, and Maddox (or his agent) went back on their word for a little more money and that double-cross cost us Kevin Millwood, which took us years to recover.
These moves today gave us a Gold Glove big bat with power and speed AND Tommy Hanson in our rotation…IMHO a much better option than Glavine.
Everyone on this blog has been screaming for the Braves to do something…well, they did, so why all the crocodile tears?
Joebrave
June 3rd, 2009
10:47 pm
A very exciting day for Braves Fans, RUINED BY THAT OVERHYPED GLORYHOUND WORTHLESS B@STARD JEFF STENCHCOUER!!!! Trade that piece of sghit too Wren!!!, and please set J Bennet’s ass on fire!!!
Tomahawkin
June 3rd, 2009
10:49 pm
Wren On BSPN…
I think Francoeur Gets the AX next…
TNScott
June 3rd, 2009
10:49 pm
Tomahawkin-
The only thing that makes this game somewhat bearable is that the player I hoped all year the Braves might get will be playing for us in centerfield tomorrow and Hanson will be starting Saturday. I wonder when Hanson comes up for his first at-bat if the organist will play “Oombop.” If it happens I’ll be looking for a camera into the AJC booth to see if DOB is hurling into a trash can.
NJBraves
June 3rd, 2009
10:50 pm
So, the big part of this deal was, according to Wren, that Mclouth is not a ‘rental player’. We’ll have him for 4 years (at the least, 3). I guess they are giving up on Schafer after 2 months? This is why I hate prospect talk. It’s a joke. All the nonsense articles about how great Schafer will be; and we’re 2 months in and he’s in Gwinett.
So what happens next? Tommy ‘golden arm’ Hanson gets knocked around a few starts and we’ll be looking for a “proven” starter to fill his spot? Of course it would be ‘for the good of the team’.
My problem is that we could have had Anderson in CF (who gives us speed and a decent leadoff), and given Schafer the ABs he never got skipping AAA. If Anderson sucked a month or so in, then bring up Jordan and trade Josh for some beans or whatever. If Anderson did well, and Shafer was ready; they could maybe have gotten more for Anderson and still brought up Jordan. Or if Anderson raked, you could always stay with the hot hand. It’s a win win either way. Would have made a ton more sense to me, at least. Now, you got Jordan Schafer that has got to have a 0 in the confidence department right now; and Wren basically just told him we don’t need him for another 3 years. Wow. Big ‘untouchable prospect’. What poor decision making.
BTW Anderson isn’t tearing it up; but his numbers aren’t bad. Better than what we have now at leadoff.
Poorjeff
June 3rd, 2009
10:50 pm
Like Robert said , Braves would be ten games better without Bobby Cox.
At least 5 games better without Frenchy and Bennett.
Find One Frenchy!
June 3rd, 2009
10:50 pm
Tommy dumped the Braves! He left the Braves for the Mets! wahh wahh wahh wahh. Geez you guys need to grow up.
So it’s NOT ok for Glavine to sign a business deal for a better offer with the Mets a few years back BUT it’s ok for the Braves to let Smoltz and Maddux walk because they didn’t think they were worth keeping? It was ok for the Braves to throw Smoltz and Maddux away?
What idiot hypocrites some of you are! lmao
Pete
June 3rd, 2009
10:50 pm
Jack: “I DO NOT appreciate the tacky, disrespectful way that Glavine was released (or that Maddux got either, for that matter….”
How did you like the way Glavine turned his back on the Braves by running away for a relatively small salary difference and then lying about the negotiations, after the Braves stayed with him through 2-3 horrific seasons when he first came up? Or does “loyalty” apply in just one direction with you?
Coach (Moon Pie , Anyone?)
June 3rd, 2009
10:51 pm
I applaud Frank Wren. He made an incredibly difficult decision. But it had to be made and for several reasons.
Tommy Hanson could not be allowed to molder in the minors any longer. He is ready.
Unfortunately, Tommy Glavine was in the way and like Wren said, the Braves are committed to winning as evidenced by the trade for Nate McLouth.
I hate losing Charlie Morton but Nate McLouth isn’t a one season rental like J.D.Drew. He’s gonna be here for at least four years.
Tonight’s 3-2 loss notwithstanding, this is a far different Braves team than the one we saw just twenty-four hours ago. They have actually have the chance to compete now.
That said, Bobby Cox has no excuse not to win. None. Either the Braves make the playoffs or his job is probably on the line too. I figured the Braves would make a move on Monday, I was only two days off but better late than never.
I don’t think Frank Wren is done wheeling and dealing. Not by a long shot. But the bottom line is this, we just went from suspect to playoff contender. This team can make the playoffs if they play their cards right.
TBF(n)K as Billy
June 3rd, 2009
10:52 pm
DOB any reaction from Glavine?
nolie
June 3rd, 2009
10:52 pm
oh well all the good deals of the day weren’t enough to offset Dave’s blog curse. I don’t guess that line-up helped all that much though they did fight back again to tie it up. I think they are scrappier than last year’s team, heres hoping that McLouth and Hanson can make some difference.
Doc Holiday
June 3rd, 2009
10:53 pm
I think BENNETT has been overused last season and a half……we dont want bennett on the team in close games……….he is the guy used for long relieve in blowouts either way. He is good enough for the money he gets………cant expect everybody to be like soriano. This is not BENNETTs fault. This is offenses fault, extra innings yesterday, extras tonight because they couldnt score more than 2 in 11 innings……. it would have been to much to ask for good luck to stay with us so long. We should start scoring runs before trying to get rid of good long relievers. Bennett is a good long reliever.
BTW, did campillo pitched last night? is he on the team already? was he available tonight?
Joebrave
June 3rd, 2009
10:55 pm
Whew!!! My acid reflux just calmed down!!. Now how do we get rid of the Black Hole that is Stenchcouer, and Bennett!!!! Oh!! Booby just in case you’re thinking about Buddy Carlyle, UMMMM HELL NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Steve from OH
June 3rd, 2009
10:56 pm
Wren for Executive of the Year
This…is a slight divergence from the blog’s feelings towards Wren from, um…yesterday.
Jeff Bennett's mom
June 3rd, 2009
10:56 pm
What does Bobby have against my boy? Running him out there to lose and look bad all the time and whatnot.
security 20 yrs
June 3rd, 2009
10:59 pm
Mark DeRosa still possible! Frank Wren still has something under his hat. Bet on it.
David O'Brien
June 3rd, 2009
10:59 pm
Bobby Cox extremely disappointed, sad by the front office decision to can Glavine. He wouldn’t say much about for us reporters, other than he thinks Glavine still wants to pitch and his arm is “pretty darn strong now.”
monty
June 3rd, 2009
10:59 pm
Frenchy couldn’t “run into one” tonight. That strikout said, “I’m swinging at whatever he throws.”
Find One Frenchy!
June 3rd, 2009
11:00 pm
kenhotlanta,
Let me know what you’re smoking to get that warped view of reality! I wanna try it! There are other sources for info other than the Braves front office or did you even know that? Any source other than the Braves have said for years that the Braves low balled Glavine. They low balled Smoltz this year. Maddux and his agent didn’t go back on their word. There WASNT any word given! The Braves offered Maddux arbitration and he accepted! End of story!
Speaking of crocodile tears, Terry Mcquirk was shocked and horrified when Smoltz walked away from Atlanta’s low ball offer. Mcquirk stated publicly one thing and Smoltz called him a liar! That’s the same thing they did with Glavine.
Braves should NEVER have signed Glavine this year AT ALL. But once they did, they should have NEVER encourged his rehab after the April injury if they were only going to react with a no class move like this.
Joebrave
June 3rd, 2009
11:00 pm
Man, watching Elvis Andrus field his position for the Rangers really PISSES me OFF, I hate Your ass Schuerholz!!!!
David O'Brien
June 3rd, 2009
11:01 pm
Talked to a handful of players about the McLouth trade, and every one of them said they were thrilled to get that dude. Gonzo raved about McLouth — “He’s a baller, man” — and Chipper and McCann both talked about what a great player and a great guy he is.
N8
June 3rd, 2009
11:01 pm
Find One Frenchy!, in my opinion, it’s OK all the way around. Grown men are GM’s of baseball teams. Grown men play the game and are represented by agent, who are also grown men.
Some players want to stay, and are essentially asked to leave. Some want to leave, but nobody else wants them, so they stay a while longer on hopes of the “market” reshaping by the next season. Some GM’s pursue certain players that have no interest in playing for their team.
The second baseball adopted free agency, it became a business for both sides.
Nothing wrong with players leaving for more money. Nothing wrong with GM’s choosing players who make less money to replace them.
Some guys deserve special treatment. Was Glavine one of them? I don’t know. They guaranteed him a million dollars to find out. Isn’t that special enough? Glavine basically made a million dollars for rehabbing, if he never pitches again. Sign me up. If that’s “disrespect”, sign me up. Wren can disrespect me anyday.
So here we are. June, and Smoltz has yet to start, and Hanson is about to make his debut. If Hanson pitches as well as Smoltz, then Wren will have made the right call there, too. Since Hanson will cost about 5 million less than Smoltz this year.
It’s time to give Wren some props. With or without fixing the OF in the off-season, he’s had a pretty nice run the past two years of building this team up from ground zero, after JS left him in position to have to clean up a bit.
If we had to sacrifice 2009 (and it’s not over yet), to get McClouth on the roster for the next 3 years? Sounds worth it to me. One less position to worry about going into 2010.
Doc Holiday
June 3rd, 2009
11:02 pm
Coach (Moon Pie , Anyone?) ,
I do agree with you on all your comments.
monty
June 3rd, 2009
11:02 pm
Between last night and tonight, Braves hitters had about 11 innings worth of one hit baseball. Not good.
Chop Chop
June 3rd, 2009
11:03 pm
Wren didn’t sound like a guy who planned on making many more moves this season. If McLouth hits .206 in June and posts a .589 OPS (his career June numbers, by the way), I have a feeling there will be people who don’t like this move very much.
Coach (Moon Pie , Anyone?)
June 3rd, 2009
11:03 pm
Well O’Brien, that’s why Bobby Cox wouldn’t make a good GM right now. Maybe twenty-five years ago, yes. But not anymore.
bravesfanforever
June 3rd, 2009
11:04 pm
Any thoughts of putting Barton in CF, McLouth in RF, and Frenchy on the bench or releasing him?
Really don’t know anything about Barton except that he’s been in the minors for awhile and he got a few ABs for the Cardinals last year. While he’s not great, he still would be an upgrade over Francoeur if he can do anything remotely like he did in 2008. Frankly, even if he didn’t do like last year he still would be an upgrade. He had a .354 OBP last year so could bat lead off and leave McLouth to bat lower in the order where his power would be of benefit.
We still have a hole in the bottom of the order. If we had a line up like this, we would do much better.
1 Barton
2 Escobar
3 Chipper
4 McCann
5 G Anderson
6 McLouth
7 Kotchman
8 Johnson
9 Pitcher
Chop Chop
June 3rd, 2009
11:04 pm
If Wren had the stones to gun down Smoltz and Glavine, who in here thinks he won’t do the same to Bobby?
PWHjort
June 3rd, 2009
11:05 pm
I like the McLouth deal, but truth be told, we’re still a bat away.
Traver
June 3rd, 2009
11:05 pm
If its all about “Perfromance Decisions” and not “Business Decisions” then when are we going to cut Jeff Bennett, Frenchy, Kelly Johnson, The entire LF contingency, and the great talent evaluator – Mr. Wren.
Joebrave
June 3rd, 2009
11:06 pm
What’s next Mr.Wren??? Maybe ol Franky can convince Colorado to take Frenchfry, and give us Brad Hawpe!!! and send Kamakazi to Cleveland with Jeff Bennett for Cliff Lee!!!!
Shamus Thacker
June 3rd, 2009
11:06 pm
The only tears I’m shedding are of the joy variety.
Glav is washed-up. Guile is what he used to fool single-A hitters at Rome; guile and an 80-mph fastball won’t do it at the show. That will become abundantly clear if/when he catches on somewhere else. Bout the only way he can deliver a change-up slower than his fastball at this point, is to roll it up there.
N8
June 3rd, 2009
11:08 pm
“If Wren had the stones to gun down Smoltz and Glavine, who in here thinks he won’t do the same to Bobby?” Chop Chop
I was just thinking the same thing. The way Glavine was handled, and the obvious disappointment by Bobby may be the beginning of a souring relationship between the two. You would think Bobby would understand, since he was once GM. But Tommy is like one of his sons.
That being said, I don’t think Bobby gets fired. I can see him stepping down after this year. But EVERYBODY else on the roster, should take notice that HOF players that have a storied history in Atlanta aren’t safe. Neither are they.
bravefaninok
June 3rd, 2009
11:08 pm
FW may not be exec of the year ….But he appears to be a man of his word….Getting the bat we needed without giving away the future,and putting together a competitive team this year.
and getting this deal done june 3rd…..still time for another deal if needed.
Joebrave
June 3rd, 2009
11:09 pm
D-Lo
Vazquez
Lee
Jurrjens
Hanson
Cmon Franky do it!!! Don’t listen to Booby, and McJerk… Just do it winning won’t hurt ya
nolie
June 3rd, 2009
11:09 pm
I sympathize a little. But if Glavine takes the mound, even once, he costs $1 million and the Braves may not be able to make the McLouth deal. MLB was reporting that the Braves have no ability to add any payroll after this trade. So it would be a nice story to let Glavine take a bow and retire as a Brave. But it would hurt the club for this and quite possibly future seasons.
It’s awfully easy for us to spend other people’s money. A tough call, but I think (and hope) Wren made the right one (PIEDMONT)
your post sums up my feelings exactly. no way Tom is worth missing out on a chance to get Nate and I believe they needed the money that would have gone to Glav to enable the McLouth deal.
I’m not a huge Glav fan but I certainly appreciate what he brought to the club all those years.. He helped this team a lot over the years, but Wren was pretty specific last winter that he and Smoltz would both be back-up optons if they signed. They didn’t promise him anything and I’m sure they structured his contract the way they did so that if they felt they did not need him, he would cost as little as possible, and I’m sure he knew that.
He was able to attempt a comeback on their dime and they cut him while he still might be able to catch on with another team. I don’t see anything wrong with how they handled it, I certainly would not have paid him another million just to see how he would do when he is seen as a less viable possibility than several others. IMO he should have retired two years ago.The guy made 130 million dollars so I’m sure he’ll get by.
We have prospect-huggers and oldBraves-huggers here,thankfully Wren & John S too I’m sure are as realistic as possible about what is best bor the Braves. Nostalgia is for losers, it seldom helps the W-L columns.
Doc Holiday
June 3rd, 2009
11:10 pm
I can recall McLouth take care of business against the braves last year like a million times, he was like Victorino………..always in the middle of things against us, not only hitting, I can also recall more than 3 super spectacular defensive plays last year from him against the braves.
Joebrave
June 3rd, 2009
11:11 pm
McLouth
Escobar
Jones
McCann
Diaz
Hawpe
Prado
Kotchman
Cmon Franky do it
Tomahawkin
June 3rd, 2009
11:11 pm
I actually Think That the braves will get Derosa Because he is So versitile…Chipper is a Chandelier, and Derosa will probably start at 3rd once a week…
Francoeur Probably gets traded for minor leaguers, I want to see Bennett Gone as well
What Happened to Prado? He has Sucked over the last 2 weeks…
bravesfanforever
June 3rd, 2009
11:11 pm
NJBraves… I can assure you that Tommy Hanson will not get “knocked around”. I think he will do well. In spring training he seemed to show a lot of poise and I don’t think he’ll have issues with nerves like Medlen.
Medlen is going to be lights out in the bullpen. But it may not be a good idea to put him in with runners on until he gets comfortable in the majors. He has pitched very well until someone gets on.
This is getting really interesting. I think the Bravos have a chance this year to win the division barring any big trades by the Phillies or Mets. Although Braves management may not be done with the trades yet.
Chop Chop
June 3rd, 2009
11:12 pm
N8,
He doesn’t have to fire Bobby. All he has to do is Torre him with a contract offer.