2:22 pm June 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
June 3rd, 20097:53 pm
braves didnt have the luxury to just let glavine start of a few games and see how he does. they play in a very tough nl east. honestly who wouldnt want mclouth and hanson on this team. if you had to pick between those two or hurting glavines feelings which would you pick. even if the braves did let him come up and he pitched so so say 4.50 era in a few starts and then they released him people would still bitch. or say if glavine pitched a lil better he would just be blocking hanson all season. as much as it hurts it was the right move.
June 3rd, 20097:54 pm
It would have been nice to see him play this year and go out on a positive note, but one of the biggest proponents of the “it’s a business” stance can’t complain about the Braves making this move. It was a smart decision, even if it doesn’t sit well.
Great, smart pickup by the Braves. This is on par with trading for Tex, though in a much better deal for the Braves IMO. And if you read between the lines this could spell the end for Frenchy too. Where will JS play when he makes it back to the bigs? My guess is RF.
Frank on PTV right now
Wow! I step away for a few hours and all hell breaks loose!
Gotta say that I am disappointed about Glavine. I understand that the Braves were concerned about his velocity but he has been pitching effectively and supposedly his velocity improved in yesterday’s start. This was obviously a salary dump by the Braves and I think they owed him at least one start to see what he had. I wish him the best of luck and hope he gets a chance with another team.
Concerning the trade. I think this was a great move. McClouth is a terrific centerfielder and I think he solves both the centerfield issue and the leadoff issue. Now KJ can hit lower in the order where he is more comfortable. I think it was a good trade for both teams. McClouth is under contract for several more years so it’s not a “rental” move. We gave up some good players, but there was not a spot for Morton in the rotation and now we have a proven centerfielder so Hernandez is not needed. Oh yeah, and Hanson starts on Saturday!!! Great day for the Braves!!
I’ve said from the start that this Braves team is no better than a .500 team. Today, I believe that outlook has improved considerably. Will it be enough to push the Braves past the Mets and Phillies? I dunno. We’ll just have to wait and see. We still have problems that need to be addressed. Bobby Cox, Terry Pendleton, and Roger McDowell are still here and that can only retard the team’s growth. I like the McLouth trade, but this offense needs more than just one player. Of course, the rotation just got significantly better with the addition of Hanson. Along with Lowe, Jurrjens, and Vazquez, that is a pretty good 4-man rotation. I hope these moves aren’t the end of the changes we are going to see.
Once again, it needs to be stated: a General Manager’s job is too put the best product out on the field in the most cost-effective manner possible.
While this situation is sad for Glavine personally, Frank Wren, as GM, cannot afford to make business decisions that will make his team more competitive in a very winnable division, based on emotion.
The division is up for grabs, Wren knows that and his job is to get the best return on investment with this team.
Schafer's Facial Expression
June 3rd, 20097:55 pm
Wren’s about to be on the radio broadcast of the game.
Frank Wren – We have not had a legit lead off hitter all year.
KJ thanks you and asks that he be the permanent #5 or #6 hitter.
wren just said he got mclouth to fix our leadoff spot, if that is where bobby uses him, obviously he may very well bat first
Frank Wren is not gun-shy.
Just about every move that made sense he has made the past few days. What to do about Jordan, what to do about an outfield bat, where is Hanson, why should Glavine get his spot?, etc…
Not too many GMs are quite so active right now, but Frank is not shy when trying to get this team better NOW.
So, I assume McClouth will platoon with Blanco? =)
June 3rd, 20097:56 pm
At first the Glavine move was a head scratcher. But it certainly makes sense now. I’m sure recently-maybe even after last night, Wren decided this team could compete, now. Before, adding Hanson to a solid but flawed team is no excuse for telling Tommy you don’t have room-even with Hudson coming back, and Medlen pitching well. It made some sense, but it probably wasn’t worth alienating an icon. But now? You add Tommy Hanson and Nate McLouth to the mix, and you have an extremely tough lineup and easily one of the best rotations in the bigs. Exciting stuff..
TBF(n)K as Billy
Glavine was given the option to retire as a Brave….he did not want too He wants money…
coach smith you can carry my jock strap to the cleaners,and the wipe your ,,,,,,,,, on the govenors grass you redneck.
Nate is 27 will be 28 this year, has a 257AVG with 7 SB in as many attempts, and a 348OBP, and 9HR. I’d have him in the leadoff spot for sure.
June 3rd, 20097:57 pm
I knew Morton was left in the minors to build up his stats. But to be truthful, the Pirates deserve another good pitcher.
oh boy. hbp.
Frank Wren in the booth.
Lowe drills Theriot. That looked deliberate. So it begins.
YES!! Way to go Lowe!
Gotta love Lowe playing a little RIB MUSIC!
Derek Lowe hits Theriot…
I’m glad Chipper’s not playing tonight.
June 3rd, 20097:58 pm
Living in So Cal, this Glavine move is the exact same reason I hated the Dodgers and became a Braves fan. The Dodgers front office in the late 80’s and early 90’s was a headcase..now we go and do something Dodger-like…
I agree that Hanson is better. In fact, I’m happy to see him start on Saturday in place of Glavine. There was really nothing Wren nor this team could have done to avoid the scrutiny IMO. If the let Tommy and Smoltzy go in the same offseason, not good. If they release Glavine after a few starts and waste $1 mil, not good.
I understand Glavine would be flamin’, but the Braves made the right move, even if it doesn’t look good. The Dodgers moves weren’t the right moves, and didn’t look good.
Oh dear….Mac and Esco WATCH OUT NEXT INNING.
There We Go D-Lo…Way to Bean Someone!!!
June 3rd, 20097:59 pm
While this may be a good move overall for the team, it was out of the blue. Glavine seemed to be rehabbing well. Couldn’t they have let him pitch a couple games as the 5th starter and then if there was evidence he was washed up, then let him go? I hope that Glavine is picked up by some team and that when he pitches against the Braves, he whips their a**!
Great trade for McLouth! Way to go Frankie! Leadoff man, Gold Glove Centerfielder, WOW! Has stolen 7 bases without being thrown out, has 64 career steals and been thrown out only 5 times. Gap hitter that gets some over the fence too. Close to being a 5 tool guy and for 3 minor leaguers. Minor leaguers with lots of potential, yeah, but a trade the Braves needed to make. 5 tool guys are not a dime a dozen! Can’t believe they were able to get such a quality major leaguer without having to give up one of their “untouchables” in the minors.
That being said, Glavine was treated badly, but also something that needed to be done. Glavine and Smoltz both treated badly in the same year. The mistake was made when they signed Glavine back in the spring. Shouldn’t oughta done that. The timing of his release was horrendous, but as Wren said, they’re trying to put the best team they can on the field. I’ll take Hanson over Glavine at this point in their respective careers.
Methinks Hanson may have been quietly making some noise about it being his time to move up. The squeaky wheel got greased. Who would you rather piss off? A guy at the end of his career, or an upcoming star that may have a long memory when his free agent year rolls around? Hate it was done to Glavine in such a classless manner, but I thought his move to the Mets was rather classless also.
Folks, Medlen was rated the Braves ninth best prospect not in the yop 5 or so.
WOW, I Took a big Boy Nap earlier and all this Happened…?
Frank Wrenn is a VERY shrewd business man!
He releases Tom Glavine (knowing he is going to take a HUGE PR hit) —
waits an hour – then releases the news that Braves traded for McClouth. Shrewd… very shrewd (and very smart!)
Frank did the same the weekend Smoltz was not signed.
Signed Lowe, and KK in the same weekend!
Let you down – then pick you back up and encourage you with something new!
Glavine was great for the Braves. Won the World Series. But give Wren credit today. He is willing to act. The changes are exciting. I am not unhappy at all. Meanwhile, any bets where Glavine goes. Mets certainly one possibility with CitiField and history there, Phillies already have Moyer and a bandbox, so best bet would be Joe Torre and the Dodgers, following Maddux. And a real chance at playoffs for him with a large stadium. Before sending, Derek Lowe shows how to pitch plugging Theriot. Now hit Soriano and Lilly!
You can just picture the Braves in the dugout trying to play it cool around Gregor Blanco right now.
June 3rd, 20098:00 pm
wtf? We got McClouth too?! Wow…what is going on here? I’m still trying to adjust to the Glavine thing.
OH YEA DAVE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO NO NO NO NO. THIS TEAM COULD GET JESUS CHRIST TO PITCH EVERY 3DAYS THEY WOULD NOT WIN.PERIOD WITH BOBBY CANT MANAGE COX
June 3rd, 20098:01 pm
Hey y’all, who pitches Sunday now? Kawakami?
Mitch: “Frank said this decision with Glavine was based on “performance”, but Glavine pitched six scoreless innings his last time out. Doesnt that deserve at least a chance?”
Mitch, do you really think pitching 6 scoreless againt a low A minor leage team means a lot? I do not.
NICE THROW BY MCCANN!!
O my that a strike 3 ump
Oh crap! Didn’t realize that was a walk.
Damn, Come On D-Lo…! Get Tough!
June 3rd, 20098:02 pm
Wow if the 3rd base ump calls the runner out, he knew Lee went around.
Very poor form for the Braves on the Glavine move. You don’t sign the guy, rehab him and all that to release him right before he’s ready to pitch. Nothing has changed about the pitching staff since he signed. You knew when you committed to him that the rotation was already set and Hanson was ready. They shouldn’t have signed him if they weren’t prepared to let him pitch and delay Hanson. I got no problem with letting Hanson pitch, but you can’t attempt to travel both paths. When you do, you end up looking bad like this.
Not to mention we get Nate in those peak years.
So does this mean Schafer is in AAA the rest of the year? One would think so…Braves maybe giving up on him for the rest of this season?
June 3rd, 20098:03 pm
This is getting Nasty…!
Nice throw by Blanco as well
Gotta think that Hanson is gonna sell quite a few more seats than Glavine would. Hate to see it happen to the guy but you gotta think the rotation is more solid with Hanson in the long run. Glavine will make some money from someone. I bet he resigns with the Mets- don’t see him pitching in that Philly park.
The trade looks win/win to me. Both teams fill needs (Braves immediate and Pittsburgh gets 3 solid prospects who could contribute in the very near future.
I almost wet myself when I thought McCann threw out a baserunner!
Today's Moves Explained by Dr. Zhivago
Grmyko: They’ve shot the Czar! And all his family. Oh, what’s it for?
Zhivago: It’s to show there’s no going back.
June 3rd, 20098:04 pm
Medlen’s not a top five prospect because Baseball America has him at #9 or whatever it is? In the off-season, Wren mentioned Hanson and medlen as the two best pitchers in the braves’ system. I think Wren knows our top prospects better than Baseball America.
That was a strike ‘em out, throw ‘em out double play!!
Told you Mac would have a way better CS% if it wasn’t for these missed calls!
Another blown call by an umpire that may decide a game. This is total F’ing bullsh!t!!!!
So what does the lineup look like now with McClouth? Do you hit McClouth 4th, McCann 5th?
fat people sink faster
this is solid news
willieg – I heard that anti-freeze is a good thing to drink during a Braves game. Is that your flavor kool-aid?
June 3rd, 20098:05 pm
Great damage control if Lowe can get out of this
By the way i’m torn up that Glavine made a million dollars to get back in shape. It won’t be easy to continue – only faith in God can get me by.
Hmm that inning should be over, garbage!
Well, they did it again. the Braves gave up too much for McLouth. Two of the top eight prospects plus Morton who was 7-2 at Gwinnett. You would have hoped that they had learned from the embarrassing Drew and Teixeira trades. But, alas, they did not.
And, they handled the Glavine matter poorly as well. Poor dumb management.
But, at least three more genuine prospects escaped Atlanta and Glavine can go elsewhere. Good for them.
Frank Wren has made some good moves to improve the team, but someone needs to pull him aside and give him a tutorial on public relations. Screwing two icons (Smoltz now Glavine) and ultimately alienating them is terrible PR.
June 3rd, 20098:06 pm
Pirates News Release on McLouth trade
DAVE YOU NEED TO COME AND WRITE FOR THE NEW YOUR DAILY NEWS YOUR TO BRIGHT FOR THE FOR THE AJC, YOU ONLY.
This just in. The Braves have decided to release Chipper Jones and Bobby Cox. We are a much better team without any Hall of Famers around to provide leadership. Also, we are trading Tim Hudson and Brian McCann.
Nice political move making the McLouth trade on the same day you released Glavine. Great job of deferring attention. Are you by chance related to President Obama Frank?
KC Do you hit McClouth 4th, McCann 5th?
That would rock.
June 3rd, 20098:07 pm
The Glavine situation reminds me of Warren Spahn, my all-time favorite. The Braves decided that he couldn’t do it anymore and basically dumped him on the Mets as a player/coach. He went something like 6-14, but it wasn’t just because of the Mets. His legs were gone and his fastball was way down, even though he had a pretty good year previous.
I think they asked him if he wanted to retire, like they did with Glavine, and Spahn said no.
Where was that?!?!?!?!
Dand Derek sweats more than Huddy.
don, pound sand.
An all star without touching Medlin, Hanson, Heyward, or Freeman.
June 3rd, 20098:08 pm
Considering Brian Barton is astronaut minded, you would think he would be at the game already. Beam him over now!
June 3rd, 20098:09 pm
You guys that are applauding the dumping of Glavine have absolutely no loyalty. You’re probably the same guys that cried when Smoltz got dumped. Now somehow it’s ok. This is why there is no chemistry on this team. They are headed towards the basement in the division.
Nate Mclouth not gold glove caliber? he won a gold glove last year playing Centerfield
If Lowe hit Theriot on purpose then that was really stupid.
The fact the Braves held on to their top four prospects in Heyward, Freeman, Hanson, and Medlen is tremendous work by Wren. If they got a rental OFer like Holliday for this package I’d be as upset as you. But considering McLouth is one of the best CFers in the game and signed cheaply through 2012, I think this is a fantastic move.
I was a Morton fan, but Locke is so far away from the finished product and Hernandez’s bat has been questionable at best.
June 3rd, 20098:10 pm
You have to admire Don for going against the near unanimous wisdom of the blog – although his inability to see the difference in the two trades might not work in his favor.
Don where was morton going to pitch? Take Vasquez pot? oh no he will takee DLowes spot. Cant do that how bout Kawakami but wait what about Hanson and medlin….Morton was prob never going to pitch here or start.
Yes it is bad PR, but if the Braves get to the World Series, do you think anybody cares that we released Tom Glavine? NO especially since it made room for Tommy Hanson and put an All Star CF in Nate McLouth in Atlanta for the next 3 years. Who knows Tommy Hanson might just win the NL rookie of the year.
McLouth is a great addition. Although I hate see Morton and Hernandez go, the fact is we just don’t need them now. The best part is that the Braves didn’t part with Hanson, Medlen, Heyward, Freeman, Schafer, or Cody Johnson. My guess is that Wren is still looking for a power outfielder or first baseman. If he pulls that off the Braves could/should go deep into the playoffs.
June 3rd, 20098:11 pm
FW on Mclouth: since 2005, highest % of stolen bases in the MLB.
don, go change your diapers, you old senile fart! You don’t have a clue what you’re saying…you’re just looking for something,ANYTHING to complain about.
“You guys that are applauding the dumping of Glavine have absolutely no loyalty. You’re probably the same guys that cried when Smoltz got dumped. Now somehow it’s ok. This is why there is no chemistry on this team. They are headed towards the basement in the division.”
No, Mike, the trade makes us better, sillyhead. I’m applauding, and I am most decidedly NOT a guy who was crying when Smoltz got dum… LEFT FOR BOSTON MONEY WHERE HIS ARM WILL FALL OFF.
Talk to me next year when they dump Chipper because he has another foot injury, pulled quad muscle, sore toe, etc, etc, etc. All of a sudden Frank won’t be such an Einstein.
If the Braves released Cox, they’d pick up 10 games in the standings like that
June 3rd, 20098:12 pm
FW: Chipper and Bobby liked the move when they talked about it this weekend (Mclouth).
with 4 more home runs than anyone on the team u would bat him leadoff?
If the Braves are going to release Tommy Glavine over $1M, don’t tell me Tommy Hansen’s arbitration years and the arbitration clock did not enter into him not being called up until now. There is a lot more than $1M riding on an extra year of arb. for Hansen.
June 3rd, 20098:13 pm
Wren said something about McLouth possibly batting leadoff…I hope they hit him in the middle of the order, he would be much better served there
Frank Wrenn on radio with Powell & Lemke right now!
Wren: “talking to Chipper Jones earlier, Chipper was just thrilled (about Nate). Bobby was very hopeful it could get done, but not counting on it.
Also mentioned how getting close to getting the Jason Bay deal done last year set up the relationship with Pittsburg to get this done.
That contract is excellent, cheap and for an extended period of time. either he or Schafer will move to LF next season, and Heyward will bump someone soon after. Very nice.
The Braves are now my favorites to win the World Series in 2010
I don’t think there will be too much question now of what to do with the rotation. Hudson’s option can easily be picked up, because they really won’t have to make any signings this offseason outside of the bullpen. And I don’t think anyone needs to be traded out either, Kawakami can be moved into the bullpen (unless Hudson becomes a brilliant closer when he comes back late this year in the pen). I also think Medlen has the abilty to come in and do well out of the bullpen. So resign Soriano and Gonzalez, there won’t be much increase in this years salary, and next years team is looking good.
C: Brian McCann (he will continue to get better)
1B: Casey Kotchman (he will continue to get better)
2B: Kelly Johnson
SS: Yunel Escobar (he will continue to get better)
3B: Chiper Jones (Infante probaly about once a week)
RF: Jeff Francouer (??????he will continue to get better????)
CF: McClouth (he will continue to get better)
LF: Jordan Schafer (he will continue to get better)
SP: Derek Lowe
SP: Jair Jurrjens (he will continue to get better)
SP: Tim Hudson
SP: Javier Vazquez
SP: Tommy Hanson (he will continue to get better)
RP: Kenshin Kawakami
RP: Jorge Campillo
RP: Peter Moylan
RP: Kris Medlen
RP: Mike Ginzalez
RP: Rafael Soriano
Bench: David Ross, Omar Infante, Martin Prado, Matt Diaz, ___________
September callup for Heyward will help the team out a little bit.
June 3rd, 20098:14 pm
Not only would Tomas @ 7:56 but so would Frank Wren. lol he said not 5 minutes ago on the broadcast that he was a legitimate leadoff hitter and it would be good if that’s where Bobby wants to hit him.
I betcha that McClouth will leadoff. That is where he played a lot of his time in 2007 and 2008.
This is gonna sound lame but I was sitting here yesterday looking at other team’s outfielders and almost wrote “should/could we get mclouth?”
And then I didn’t write it because I figured the Pirates would never give him away.
Hate to see Glavine go, but more excited for Hanson. Like Medlen in the bullpen.
I’m just totally impressed with what Wren just did. Can’t wait to see if it pays dividends.
Out of curiosity, though, where does McLouth bat? First? Fourth?
Oh my gosh…it feels like he’s never gonna hit another double!
I’d settle for a freaking single at this point. AVG is .301.
June 3rd, 20098:15 pm
DOB any word on what the plan is now with Mclouth in Cf and what there gonna do with Schafer when he is deemed ready to be called up
Since he’s going to be a part of the rotation, everyone get used to spelling his name correctly. It’s HANSON (no “e”). The extra “e” belongs to MEDLEN (no “i”).
June 3rd, 20098:16 pm
Yeah, prob’ly. Darn…
McCann hasn’t gotten a hit with RISP in quite some time now. Just sayin’…
Braves probably still need one more piece to this puzzle. Most likely LF. GA can be the team pinch hitter, Braves can drop Norton, and put some power in LF.
Sounds like Wren sees McLouth as a leadoff hitter. He mentioned Furcal was the last legit leadoff hitter. (that is if Bobby Cox agrees to place him there)
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June 3rd, 20098:17 pm
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