5:21 pm May 29, 2009, by David O'Brien
May 30th, 20091:44 pm
Lineup’s not up yet, but MATT DIAZ is tentatively scheduled to play CENTER FIELD. We’ll see if Bobby goes through with it. He mentioned it to someone last night, said he’d talk to Diaz first.
Ross is in to catch for Mac, day off after night game. Chipper’s also out of the lineup, as expected against the lefty (Doug Davis).
May 30th, 20091:48 pm
Diaz in center? Oh. My. God.
May 30th, 20091:50 pm
Free Tommy Hanson: Who would play Tony Montana? There’s only one Cuban on the team, bro. He has to get the nod.
May 30th, 20091:51 pm
Frank from KS, well… people are quick to jump on the Tex trade and point out that Salty and E.Andrews are now big leaguers in Texas, and they have a couple good arms that we gave them.
True. We gave up a lot of talent to get Tex. BUT… everyone should keep in mind that every player has 2 values: what he can do on the field, and what he can bring you via trade. The 2 key pieces, Salty and E.Andrews, were blocked here by McCann and Escobar.
They had no value to the team other than their trade value. There was nothing else to do but trade them. They were expendable trading chips, no matter how talented they were/are. Same thing with Tyler Flowers over the winter. He was blocked, and his greatest value was as a trading chip. It made all the sense in the world to deal him for Vazquez.
No then… that’s not the situation we’re in now. We don’t have big prospects that are blocked. So we’ll have to be a little more careful in what we deal away at this point. We do have plenty of depth, but we don’t want to clean out the farm here.
Canizares is a very nice offensive prospect at Gwinnett, but he’s DH. Not going to help you much in the field, apparently. So he’d be ideal to package with JoJo, Frenchy, and a mid-level prospect or two to get a guy like Holliday.
May 30th, 20091:54 pm
Tony can’t be taller than Manny, though.
It just doesn’t make sense, chico.
Here’s hoping lots of ground balls today. Yeah, thats right, Javy. Oh my gosh.
May 30th, 20091:56 pm
StingerSplash: And it’s one of the huge CFs, too, here at Chase Field. This one, Coors, San Diego and new Citi Field are about as much ground to cover as you can find. We’ll see if he does it. Sounds like he was planning to, though.
And I think KJ is also out of the lineup, but again, not certain. Will know shortly.
Diehard Braves Fan w/o Apology
There are really few Braves fans on this blog anymore. What we have now is baseball complainers, even after a win that breaks a losing streak,complain, complain, complain. I am amazed a the capacity to complain everyday. The same stuff all the time.
JS,GA, KJ, JF, TP, CK, JB, on and on. “Adam Dun..blah, blah, blah”. “The Texeria trade, blah blah, blah,”. “Will Ohman, blah, blah, blah” “The JD Drew trade, blah blah, blah”. “Hey let’s trade (insert underperforming player) + someone we don’t like+obscure minor leaguer and get ‘a power bat’ “. “Tommy Hanson will be great guaranteed, no way he struggles, or is a bust”. Have I missed anything?
Once you finish reading the good stuff David O’Brien writes, the above is all you’re going to get from some suck-azz so-call fans. Sports Illustrated was right, Atlanta fans are the worst in the country. You prove it here everyday.
Some I’m here to tell you the Braves are going to be fine. They’ve shown they can play, and much better than last year. Only a handful of teams in baseball (maybe 3-4) have distinguished themselves this season. And only the Dodgers have a commanding lead in their division. That’s it! Yet day after day, you people get on here and just hammer the Braves. Doesn’t matter if they win. Doesn’t matter if someone makes a great play or has a great at-bat. Someone will find a way to lessen it.
This team is going to be in it. It has faced some tough pitching and will be the better for it, especially in a division with less than stellar starters. It’s going to be a grind, but real fans stay with it just like their team. As long as the team hasn’t quit, a real fan doesn’t quit either and doesn’t make tough times tougher. Just the way it is.
You people are here to complain first and the Braves are only an excuse for complaining. Very few real fans around, they rarely comment anymore. What a shame.
Steve from OH
I’m scared. This is…interesting.
May 30th, 20091:57 pm
Diaz in center field? This center field? ummm, I’m a little concerned about that…
May 30th, 20091:59 pm
not only does Chase have a huge center field, it is also quirky with the weird padding and balconys jutting out and the line half way up the giant wall…of all the places for Matt to get a start in center, Chase would not even be on the list
May 30th, 20092:00 pm
Hey N8 – read every word of your 1:38. You and I are in agreement on just about everything you wrote there.
May 30th, 20092:02 pm
We of course need to replace Schafer now after he got a hit and a walk and scored 2-runs? The old manager man is crazy.
But no Chipper, no McCann, no reason to play good defense, this one is over before is begins.
Outclassing AAA hitters:
Tommy Hanson: 3-3, 1.48 ERA
Charlie Morton, over last 7 starts: 6-1, 2.06 ERA.
May 30th, 20092:03 pm
It appears that Diehard has neglected to take the measure of fans in every other pro sports town. It appears that he has opinions. I’m glad that he can express them here. They are certainly welcome.
Just kidding. His opinions are as welcome as the clap.
May 30th, 20092:04 pm
RHR-N8 is good reading- you just have to pack your lunch sometimes.
It is obvious that Frank Wren has major decisions to make. The Braves need to add another bat, but at what cost? No one wants to trade away our young talented prospects. I think over the next month Javier Vazquez may be the one moved for an OF bat and prospects. vazquez is pitching well and will have significant trade value. To move Vazquez the Braves have to be certain that Hanson can step in as a #4 starter, Glavine is ready to go, and we will continue to see the Kawakami of May, not of April. That is a lot of ifs, but Hanson is pitching so well he may force the Braves hand to get him to the majors.
The Braves will not move Lowe, Jurrjens or Glavine. Kawakami’s trade value will be minimal. That leaves Vazquez who many speculated would be moved in the offseason. The last wildcard is Tim Hudson’s progress. As the Braves become more and more convinced that Hudson will be able to come back and contribute as a #3-5 starter, it will make it more and more tempting to move Vazquez.
As far as the trade market, with Peavy vetoing trades and Houston likely to hold on to Oswalt, Vazquez may be one of the top arms with Bedard who will be on the market. Although the Phillies have obvious pitching needs it is unlikely he will be dealt within division. The Dodgers though could be a match with Kemp or Ethier the main piece along with a prospect or two.
No KJ either? Does Bobby understand how to manage?
Leave Schafer and KJ in the lineup without Chipper and McCann. Pull GA and put Diaz in LF. Escobar needs to be hitting cleanup. KJ can hit in the 5 spot.
Might be a good time to go after Uggla. He’s hitting .211 and batting 6th today. But over last three years, he’s averaged 30 HRs, .260/.830. Uggla bats RH which would help team. Fish short of LH bats so KJ might be a good trade candidate. Fish might like a younger player or two. I would think Uggla could learn to play LF or 3B over the next couple of years.
May 30th, 20092:05 pm
“Some I’m here to tell you the Braves are going to be fine.” (Diehard Braves Fan w/o Apology)
To steal a DOB quote, “That’s it, we’re shutting down the blog.”
May 30th, 20092:06 pm
MFin04, aren’t you just a ray of sunshine?
May 30th, 20092:07 pm
The Braves are going to have to play good baseball, particularly over the next week or two… because the Mets are in the midst of a stretch in which they play Florida, Pittsburgh, and Washington. Not exactly the Valley of Death on their ‘09 schedule.
Hopefully, we can win these next two, and then keep the Cubs cold. After that, we have to face Milwaukee, while the Mutts play the Nats.
If we can make it to the 8th only 3-4 games out, we’ll be in good shape.
Now that is what a real fan sounds like ladies and gentlemen! No sugarcoating, no pollyanaism, no over the top player-hating. How refreshing. How remarkably refreshing! Look at the schedule and look at the other teams, and make sound statements about what the team must do. Oh, and a dash of optimism, not over the top, but just a dash of positive. Great comment by someone who knows baseball and loves the Braves, and one of the few remaining fans willing to comment. I salute you!
May 30th, 20092:08 pm
DAMNIT!!!!!! You’ve got to be kidding me. If in fact KJ is out of the linuep, that sickens me. Why the hell doesn’t BC care about the fact that Kelly Johnson is hitting .325 vs. lefties with 3 homers in only 40 at-bats. Not to mention the fact that over the last 6 games, he’s hit .330 with 2 homers, 3 doubles, and 8 RBI.
He just slavishly adheres to the lefty/righty “book”, ignoring the facts. I love the guy, and I think he’s a great leader, but I just can’t follow his logic sometimes.
May 30th, 20092:09 pm
Diehard Braves Fan w/o Apology, thanks… I’ll pay ya later. ;o)
May 30th, 20092:11 pm
White Sox are looking for pitching and that is what the braves have a ton of — how awesome would pulling off a big trade for Carlos Quentin be – only 26 years old and is an animal.
May 30th, 20092:13 pm
Chop Chop why don’t you provide links to back up your lie? Not only are you a fairwether fan, you try and rationalize it with falsehoods. Atlanta fans are notoriously the worst,that’s not just me saying it, it’s the national media that taken note. No, there is piling on of negativity here, way out of proportion with where the team stands. To only see it’s weaknesses and then harp on them and exaggerate them and give no hope of improving in the coming months, well that is why you are the worst fans. But hey, if you could provide links that show there are worse fans let’s have them. Otherwise, stop telling tall tales.
The best laugh I had in years at 2:07 and 2:09.
May 30th, 20092:15 pm
Nevermind. You’re right.
Thinking about the Chisox wanting pitching brought up a question. Does anyone know of anytime where a trade was made and then later the exact same trade, or even close to it, reversed? Just curious.
May 30th, 20092:16 pm
Of course the 2:08 is what made it funny.
May 30th, 20092:18 pm
KC your comment is priceless. It shows you can be honest about the team without being foolishly negative or positive. A real fan sticks with the team. It’s clear i reading your comments you know baseball and you love the Braves. I’m sorry, but that is not the case for 95% of the people who comment the most often. Again, as a diehard Braves fan, thank you.
May 30th, 20092:21 pm
Chop Chop good response.
I have finally determined the cause of the struggles for this Braves lineup. The Braves current hitting coach had a career .316 OBP. How can a man with that low an OBP teach our hitters how to be more patient at the plate?
Schafer gets a hit and a walk and scores 2 runs last night, and THEN Bobby decides to bench him.
KC – I’m with ya on this lefty/righty thing. Kelly’s finally heating up too. Let’s bench him.
May 30th, 20092:22 pm
Chop Chop yeah that’s what I thought. Faker. And speaking of the clap, that would be you. You and your ilk are blog clap, just wretched misery of the antibiotic resistant strain.
No Chipper or McCann?? Great.
May 30th, 20092:25 pm
Richard – While I’m no TP fan, a coach’s stats aren’t an accurate way of predicting his success as a coach. Look at Bobby’s stats. Or if you don’t like Bobby either, check out Torre’s.
Or on the other end of the spectrum, look at Frank Robinson’s career numbers compared to his coaching record.
May 30th, 20092:29 pm
JD, you miss the point. The point is that how can a man who throughout a 15 year career, in which he played most everyday, teach our young hitters how to work the count, draw walks, and get on base more regularly. TP never figured it out, so how then is he supposed to TEACH it?
I’m sorry, but that is not the case for 95% of the people who comment the most often.
Then don’t read 95% of the comments on this blog. People will post whatever crap they feel like, so I’d get used to skipping most of it if it bothers you.
Also, reading the blog during an actual game is a bad, bad idea (Mfin04 et al. run the place).
WHAT??? McCann’s out today?? Is the lineup posted somewhere?
If McCann is also sitting today… a vein is about to pop out of my forehead. I know it’s a day game after a night game, and I know McCann can’t start every game. But you have to be smart about it. If Chipper’s out today, but may be in there tomorrow (as he suggested last night)… then you have to keep McCann’s bat in there and wait ’til tomorrow to give him a day off.
Hell, with the off-day on Monday, I think McCann would be willing to man up and make it two more days back there. I’m sure it’s a combination of day game after night game, and BC’s #$%^&* lefty/righty obsession. F$%^!!!!!!!!
Yunel is an excellent choice for Tony Montana!
I agree with Braveheart on ET and Titanic. I remember when Titanic came out and my best friend and I saw it and she cried like a baby and looked over at my stoneface and said “you are heartless and soulless..how could you not cry?” and I was like…really?! I mean…it’s not like this was a surprise ending. But Kate and Leo are the best of our generation so they definitely made it seem better than it was. I also hate Gone with the Wind omg most boring movie ever. It took me a week to watch it in its entirety because I kept falling asleep. That is truth.
Can’t wait to see Matty in CF today. Hope he plays RF tomorrow!
May 30th, 20092:30 pm
I meant to say how can a man who never mastered any of those things in his 15 year career teach our hitters to do so.
May 30th, 20092:33 pm
I wouldn’t consider Chop Chop or most of the people on here fair weather fans. We follow the Braves. We care about the Braves. But we also realize that this team has major problems that, unless they’re fixed, we don’t stand a chance at the playoffs. The team as it’s performing right now is hovering around 80 wins. We want, expect, and hope for better, though. We’re just being real.
May 30th, 20092:34 pm
KC – Day game after a night game. This isn’t a new thing, they’ve done this for at least the past 2 seasons..even when Corky was the backup.
May 30th, 20092:35 pm
OK if we have to talk movies, any John Wayne movie except the one where he was an Asian- didn’t quite fit his persona.
Then don’t read 95% of the comments on this blog. People will post whatever crap they feel like, so I’d get used to skipping most of it if it bothers you
I do, but I’m free to call a turd a turd.You attack my team, as a real fan it is my duty to defend my team. That includes defense from fairwether and fake fans.There isn’t a dime’s difference between people like you and Chop Chop</strong. and those Mets , Phil’s, and Marlin’s trolls that come on here. It’s hard to tell the difference between their comments and those of so-called “fans”. That is not the way it should be. It should be clear that this is a blog for fans of the Atlanta Braves. But reading the comments, it’s clear that is not the case. So yeah, I said something, so what? Feel free to take your own advice and scroll by, you faker.
Yunel is an excellent choice for Tony Montana!
I can see it now…
“I’m not gonna shoot you. Medlen, shoot that piece of sh!t.”
May 30th, 20092:36 pm
As a 40-year diehard Braves fan, I’ve died-hard more than a few times. I’ve earned the right to bidch, moan, groan, bawl, squall, and yap up groceries if I want….
You’re childishly naive Diehard, get over it…
I have finally determined the cause of the struggles for this Braves lineup. The Braves current hitting coach had a career .316 OBP. How can a man with that low an OBP teach our hitters how to be more patient at the plate? (RICHARD)
Mindless moron providing yet more evidence that sabermetrics aren’t a bad thing, except when used by clueless idiots who think they’ve got it all figured out, although they don’t know a damn thing about sabermetrics.
So McCann, Kelly, and Chipper are all sitting today? I don’t see a lineup posted, but if that’s true, my goodness. I can understand McCann (he’s gone like 6 days straight) and Chipper (toe against lefties), but if you’re top two hitters are out, don’t sit one of your hottest hitters…who does just fine against lefties, BWT.
Wait, Diehard is watching. Guess that means I’m not a fan. I meant to say – whoooo! Go Braves! Slug that ball, Prado!!
May 30th, 20092:37 pm
CB – the 2:18 was the icing.
May 30th, 20092:40 pm
Chop Chop watches or listens to almost every game. Comments here most days. Has done so for years. Can bore you to tears when you prompt him to about the details of the 54 win 1988 team. Nothing fairweather about that guy. He just doesn’t get too high, too low, too optimistic, too pessimistic. He’s not one of them psychopaths. He prefers taking the sociopathic middle ground.
May 30th, 20092:41 pm
We care about the Braves…We want, expect, and hope for better, though. We’re just being real.
Another falsehood.There isn’t an ounce of hope, just nag, nag, nag, complain, complain. When you can’t tell the difference between a fan of another team’s comment and that of a so-call fan, that’s messed up.Most of the comments written here could just have easily been written by people who are not fans of the Braves. You don’t see it and that’s why I know you people are not real fans. You just hang out here and complain.
RHR- life is good on the blog today,eh?
May 30th, 20092:44 pm
As a 40-year diehard Braves fan, I’ve died-hard more than a few times. I’ve earned the right to bidch, moan, groan, bawl, squall, and yap up groceries if I want….
Ok, so you are a “follower” of the Braves, but you’re no fan. Big difference. Lots of “followers” here, but few fans. Lots of fakes too.
May 30th, 20092:46 pm
Diehard Braves Fan w/o Apology
Dude, are you for real?
I was essentially chiming in, supporting your case that much of the content on this blog is worth skipping, yet somehow I was attacking your star status as a “diehard fan” and outing myself as a fair weather fan to boot?
You might want to upgrade from that 9th grade reading comprehension level you’re sporting. But whatever, don’t listen to me – I’m a faker. I clearly don’t like this team and am actually a Mets fan in disguise.
Damn, you hit that nail right on the fu-king head.
May 30th, 20092:51 pm
Diehard is Lou Vales
Diehard you are obviously a fan of the Braves- you are very passionate in your feelings. The only problem is you have lumped a lot of people into the same group- this is wrong. There are haters on this blog,people who would rather scream obscenities and wish harm to players. Those on the blog know how to take them for what they are. Chill, brother and read between the lines.
May 30th, 20092:53 pm
Bobby Cox always does this, you already have Chipper out of the lineup so of course it makes sense to have both Kelly and McCann out. Bobby’s righty lefty crap is very annoying. And besides these are MLB hitters, they can hit any kind of pitching. This will be a guarenteed loss with the crap lineup that I’m thinking he’s going to run out there. And Diaz in CF and Anderson in LF at this ballpark, good luck with that.
May 30th, 20092:56 pm
4. Prado, 3B
5. Diaz, CF
6. Francoeur, RF
May 30th, 20092:57 pm
The only problem is you have lumped a lot of people into the same group- this is wrong CB
Whatever CB, he came onto this blog with an axe to grind, not unlike the same people he is b-tching about.
Oh look at me, the “diehard” Braves fan that only 0.001% of the population measure up to. Most of you guys are fakers that I see right through.
Thats right guy, I’m as see through as a f-cking sheet of plastic – and just as fake. I bow down to your grandiose fanhood, your impeccable stature as a true fan.
Go get ‘em, Javy…
May 30th, 20092:58 pm
Sweet, KJ is in there today.
LOL, nothing like having a strong performance and then following it up with that lineup.
May 30th, 20093:00 pm
A “follower” doesn’t watch/listen-to/attend, each and every game over a 40-year span.
A “follower” doesn’t feel sick to his/her stomach ANY time the Braves lose!
You’re OUT-OF-LINE Diehard, YOU are the true “follower” here sir!
ANYONE who doesn’t get upset with the present state of this team, is either an IDIOT, or a casual observer…
Wow that is one pathetic lineup….I hope Javy has all Ks and groundballs today, that outfield isn’t going to get to anything
May 30th, 20093:03 pm
Are we trying to win? what kinda of lineup is that? Diaz in CF in one of the biggest CF to cover?
May 30th, 20093:05 pm
Gotta give Diaz a shot in Center. I’ve said it before but Schafer makes one boneheaded play for every great play and his offense stinks. If Diaz can just make the routine plays in CF, this team will be better off.
The lineup isn’t too bad. Maybe swap KJ and Prado in the lineup, and let KJ hit cleanup with the doubles he has been hitting in this park. But Chipper and McCann both need days off, and they weren’t going to play both today and tomorrow. So there it is.
Diaz in CF will be interesting, but with the lefty pitching, he probably will rake today and make up for it.
May 30th, 20093:06 pm
Look at it this way…
Today, we have the best bench in MLB.
WTF, maybe they just wanna give Diaz plenty of room for adjustments on the ball. lol
May 30th, 20093:07 pm
Salamander, like I said, life is good on the blog.
May 30th, 20093:08 pm
If Diaz can just make the routine plays in CF, this team will be better off.
Yeah…because he does so well with that in left field. Look, I’m fine with giving Schafer a day off, but let’s not pretend that the team is better with Diaz, Anderson, and Francoeur in the outfield, mmk pumpkin?
May 30th, 20093:10 pm
Bob Horner needed the entire left side of the ballpark to make adjustments on pop-ups over third…
I’m glad we have someone new here to define “fanhood” for us.
Chad Tracy on DL for D’backs, after going 3-for-4 with a three-run homer and four RBI last night.
May 30th, 20093:12 pm
It’ll be interesting to see how Magellan handles CF…oh, wait. That’s right. I can’t watch the game. I guess I’ll just have to wait for the “not top 10″ on the Sunday Sportscenter…
Ah yes, the cleanup hitters of the NL East. Howard, Delgado, Dunn, Prado.
May 30th, 20093:13 pm
Isn’t Vazquez a flyball pitcher? Derek Lowe should get this kind of outfield, not Vazquez
May 30th, 20093:14 pm
I’m glad we have someone new here to define “fanhood” for us. brent
Ain’t that the truth. I thought I was a fan until diehard opened my eyes. Let’s go Cubs!
I guess I’ll just have to wait for the “not top 10″ on the Sunday Sportscenter… Steve from OH
Oh, and sorry you can’t watch the game.
May 30th, 20093:15 pm
DIEHARD: Another falsehood.There isn’t an ounce of hope, just nag, nag, nag, na, na, n, n, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Salamander sorry dude, all I saw was the buzz off part of your comment, if you agreed with me, it wasn’t in the tone of your comment. But if you’re a real fan, I’m sorry.And I believe I stated my “axe”, I’m defending my team. I hope that’s clear, I want that to be clear. I don’t apologize for that. I am a Braves fans, have always been one, will be one until they drop me in the dirt. Fans defend their teams. Fakes defend themselves and bash the team. Followers are just here to make bad times worse.
CB who you calling “dude”? It’s the 21st Century wise up.
Shamus Thacker when you can’t distinguish between the words of a so-call fan, from those of a non fan, that’s a problem. That is the point I’m harping on. No where have I said ignore the problems, just don’t exaggerate them and acknowledge the potential as well. Fans say good things about the team, even in bad times unless they are fairwhether.
May 30th, 20093:16 pm
May 30th, 20093:17 pm
Roman Gal Way to maintain a positive outlook at 3:06.
Roman Gal–eh, I’ve got work to do anyway, so maybe the radio thing is a “blessing” (yeah, right) in disguise.
If Bobby put this outfield out there for Kawakami, I daresay he would commit seppoku, for he knows the battle is already lost…
May 30th, 20093:18 pm
With that being said, this’ll be fun. I’m kinda looking forward to seeing Diaz in center. He actually is faster than alot of folks think, and has alot more range than you’d think. Unfortunately, as we are all painfully aware, he does misjudge balls from time to time and make a fool of himself. So I think this could be very interesting in that he could do a whole lot better than folks think he will, while at the same time providing that ya just never know element with one of his patented misjudgments out there
Manager A.J. Hinch said on Saturday before Arizona’s game with Atlanta that Tracy was injured when he singled in his final at-bat in Friday night’s 10-6 loss to the Braves.
Good. Serves him right.
“CB who you calling “dude”? It’s the 21st Century wise up.”
I’m not sure what he means by this. Does he prefer sir? Or maybe homey?
May 30th, 20093:21 pm
Diehard I only call friends dude, people like RHR. heh heh
I’m not gonna lie…I had to look up seppoku.
Thanks. That’s me, Positive…Polly? What’s the opposite of “Negative Nelly”? Whatever it is, that’s me!
May 30th, 20093:22 pm
Fans emote in different ways Diehard. No cookie-cutter fans here, we’re all different, we express those differences in our own unique ways.
Guess we could make this a Fascist blog, and make you the know-all judge-all Fascist leader.
Any amens on that?
May 30th, 20093:23 pm
I’m kinda looking forward to seeing Diaz in center. Braveheart
They put him out there for an inning or so the last game I went to. I was very disappointed that nothing was hit to him. It should be interesting, to say the least.
I think he prefers broseph, CB
May 30th, 20093:24 pm
Okay I understand Chipper not playing but it’s just not smart to have Mac sit when Chipper is out. Mac recently had a day off and they don’t play on Monday. Right after a win too. This is why the braves can’t put a decent winning streak together.
May 30th, 20093:25 pm
Fans emote in different ways Diehard. No cookie-cutter fans here, we’re all different, we express those differences in our own unique ways. (SHAMUS THACKER)
I agree Shamus. That’s why I like this blog. It runs the gamut of emotions and thoughts on the team. I think it works well as a collective conscience of the fans.
Why would I spend my Saturday watching a lineup like that? What gives?
Catch em tomorrow. I’ve got work to do anyways.
die soon braves fan
May 30th, 20093:26 pm
or at least shut up!
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