Can (potential) All-Star Jurrjens stop skid?

  Scottsdale, Ariz. — I was sitting here digesting my huevos con masa (late breakfast; a great dish served with chorizo quesa served atop jalapeno cornbread) and wondering how to start today’s blog. And right at that moment, the Ohio Players’ “Love Rollercoaster” came up on my Ipod shuffle.
  Appropriate for the Braves’ season, don’t you think? (Well, at least the rollercoaster part; not much love around here for the Bravos lately.) Certainly it was more appropriate than, say, the previous song that played, Yo La Tengo’s “Watch Out for Me Ronnie.”
  But wait, now the Ohio Players’ tune is overand Uncle Tupelo’s “Outdone” is on, with the first line, Everything’s fine for now, no one’s really laughing.
Everything’s just all right, or is it now….
  Hey, I’m not making this up, folks. No writer’s embellishment required.
  We need to crank out this blog and get to the ballpark, and I’m telling, it’s not too easy in this surroundings. I probably need to shut the blinds, because I have a view of the pool outside my window, and it’s close to 100 degrees here in Scottsdale, and, well, you can imagine….
  Anyway, duty calls.
  The Braves need a win in the worst way, folks. Season-long four-game road skid, and a loss tonight would match their longest losing streak of the season regardless of venue.
  Fortunately for them, they have Jair Jurrjens pitching tonight. Unfortunately for J.J., the Braves, who haven’t scored runs for him in most of his brilliant starts this season, are REALLY struggling to score runs now.
  How bad is it? The Braves have hit .177 and scored a total of seven runs and no homers while dropping the first four games of this seven-game trip. They are 5-for-30 (.167) with runners in scoring position on this trip.
  This after they had hit .281 with 13 homers — not a lot, but at least some power — during a 12-5 run before this skid. They averaged more than five runs per game in that 17-game stretch, and posted a 3.93 ERA.
  The offense has dried up and the ERA is 5.63 during the four-game losing jag.
  Don’t’ know whether the bats will awaken tonight against Arizona’s imminently hittable Jon Garland, he of the 4.70 ERA and .290 opponents’ average and .353 opponents’ OBP.
  But it’s a good bet that Jurrjens will pitch well. The kid is just 4-2 despite a 2.07 ERA, and Jurrjens has allowed more than two runs only once in 10 starts this season (when your worst start is five hits and three earned runs allowed in 5-1/3 innings, you’re doing serious work; that was Jurrjens’ worst, and it was his second start of the season).

A little support for J.J.?

A little support for J.J.?

  ”Wins are so non-indicative of how people pitch sometimes,” said Braves pitcher Derek Lowe (6-3), one of 30 major league pitchers, including 17 National Leaguers, who had more wins than Jurrjens before today. Yes, 30.
  I’d say that no more than perhaps a handful of them have pitched as well or better than Jurrjens, who has the fourth-best ERA (2.07) among major league starters, and the second-best road ERA (1.30).
  ”I can’t say enough about him,” manager Bobby Cox said Jurrjens, who hasn’t allowed more than two runs in eight consecutive starts.
He has a 1.98 ERA in that time, but only a 2-2 record to show for it.
  ”He’s pitched way better than me,” Lowe said of Jurrjens, whose ERA is nearly 50 percent lower than Lowe’s 3.49, but whose run support is barely half that of Lowe and fellow Braves starter Javier Vazquez.
  Vazquez (4-4, 3.80 ERA) leads the NL with 7.3 support runs per nine innings pitched, and Lowe is sixth at 6.3 runs.
  Jurrjens has received 3.8 support runs per nine innings, which includes four games in which the Braves scored four or more runs while he was in the game. He won all four of those.
  They’ve scored one or no runs while he was in four games, including three quality starts in which he got one no-decision and two losses.
  ”He never says a word” of complaint about the lack of run support, manager Bobby Cox said. “Yeah, everybody wants to win 20 and hit .300. He wants to win badly. But he’s a team guy all the way.”
  Jurrjens’ .228 opponents’ average includes .122 with runners in scoring position, fifth-lowest in the majors. Zack Greinke (.135) ranks sixth.
  Jurrjens’ .333 slugging percentage is sixth-best in the NL, just ahead of Adam Wainright (.339) and Dan Haren (.341).
  When I mentioned the possibility that Jurrjens might not make the All-Star team unless he gets some more wins in his next few starts, Cox looked like he’d just heard awful news.
  ”Oh, he’s got to be on it,” Cox said. “If you look at the hits, innings, strikeouts-to-walks, ERA … damn, he’s got to be on it.”
  Lowe said, “Just because you don’t have a lot of wins, doesn’t mean you’re not an All-Star or that you’re not having a great year. If he was 8-1 [with his other current stats being the same] we’d be talking about whether he should he be starting the All-Star Game over [Johan] Santana.
  ”You look around the league, there are guys with five or six wins whose ERAs are close to 6.00. So much has to go right the day you pitch, and even then, it doesn’t guarantee you’ll win.”
  So, should Jurrjens be an All-Star?
  ”To me, it’s a no-brainer,” Lowe said. “Hopefully when it comes down to it, people will look past the [wins] and look at what he’s done. And they will, if in another month he’s still pitching like he has. You can’t ignore it.”

 ♦ Etc: Braves catchers, even though Brian McCann had a stint on the 15-day DL, still lead NL catchers in on-base percentage (.393) and slugging percentage (.506), and rank second in average (.296), home runs (eight) and RBI (29)….
  • Braves outfielders, on the other hand, are last in the majors in homers (seven) and slugging (.339), after finishing last in the majors in both those categories in 2008. Only Padres and Diamondbacks have a lower average and OBP than Braves outfielders, who are hitting .243 with a .309 OBP…..
   Three of the Braves’ four outfield regulars have on-base plus slugging percentages of .617 or lower: Jordan Schafer (.612), Jeff Francoeur (.615) and Garret Andereson (.617). Among the Braves with considerably higher OBPs are streaky 2B Kelly Johnson (.754) and utility man Martin Prado (.759).
   Compared with the other outfielders’ current stats, left fielder Matt Diaz is hitting a solid .288 with a relatively Ruth-ian .839 OPS….

Remember outfield power?

Remember outfield power?

  • After his impressive first five games of the season, Schafer has hit .175 (24-for-137) with six extra-base hits (all doubles), five RBI and a .292 OBP and .291 slugging percentage in his past 42 games, with 23 walks and 55 strikeouts….
  • Francoeur hit his last homer on May 1 vs. Houston. Since then, he’s hit .211 (20-for-95) with three doubles and five RBI in 25 games, with one walk, 19 strikeouts and a .228 OBP and .242 slugging percentage.

 

  ♦ First-pitch Frenchy: No major leaguer has swung at a higher percentage of first pitches than Francoeur (47.4 percent), who’s consistently ranked among the league leaders since arriving in the majors. He’s swung at 92 of 194 first pitches this season.
   And that seems even less surprising when you consider this Astonishing Stat of the Day: Francoeur has hit .421 (16-for-38) when he’s put the first pitch in play, compared to .053 (1-for-19) when he’s put 0-1 pitches into play and .083 (1-for-12) when he’s put 1-0 pitches in play.
  After getting behind in the count 0-1, Francoeur has hit .189 (17-for-90) in all at-bats, regardless of what happened after that first pitch. And after taking a first-pitch ball, he’s hit .222 (12-for-54) in all at-bats.

  ♣ OK, got to drive downtown to the ballpark. Braves just announced, by the way, that the makeup game with the D’Backs from the earlier rainout at Turner Field will be made up, as expected, on Aug. 17 at 4:05 p.m. That was a mutual off-day for both teams. Now let’s close this with something deep and rich. As Chipper said of his first four-strikeout game Wednesday, “savor the flavor.” Savor the flavor of this gem:

“THIN BLUE FLAME” by Josh Ritter
I became a thin blue flame
Polished on a mountain range
And over hills and fields I flew
Wrapped up in a royal blue
I flew over Royal City last night
A bullfighter on the horns of a new moon’s light Caesar’s ghost
I saw the war-time tides
The prince of Denmark’s father still and quiet
And the whole world was looking to get drowned
Trees were a fist shaking themselves at the clouds
I looked over curtains and it was then that I knew
Only a full house gonna make it through

I became a thin blue wire
That held the world above the fire
And so it was I saw behind
Heaven’s just a thin blue line
If God’s up there he’s in a cold dark room
The heavenly host are just the cold dark moons
He bent down and made the world in seven days
And ever since he’s been a’walking away
Mixing with nitrogen in lonely holes
Where neither seraphim or raindrops go
I see an old man wandering the halls alone
Only a full house gonna make a home

I became a thin blue stream
The smoke between asleep and dreams
And in that clear blue undertow
I saw Royal City far below
Borders soft with refugees
Streets a’swimming with amputees
It’s a Bible or a bullet they put over your heart
It’s getting harder and harder to tell them apart
Days are nights and the nights are long
Beating hearts blossom into walking bombs
And those still looking in the clear blue sky for a sign
Get missiles from so high they might as well be divine
Now the wolves are howling at our door
Singing bout vengeance like it’s the joy of the Lord
Bringing justice to the enemies not the other way round
They’re guilty when killed and they’re killed where they’re found
If what’s loosed on earth will be loosed up on high
It’s a Hell of a Heaven we must go to when we die
Where even Laurel begs Hardy for vengeance please
The fat man is crying on his hands and his knees
Back in the peacetime he caught roses on the stage
Now he twists indecision takes bourbon for rage
Lead pellets peppering aluminum
Halcyon, laudanum and Opium
Sings kiss thee hardy this poisoned cup
His winding sheet is busy winding up
In darkness he looks for the light that has died
But you need faith for the same reasons that it’s so hard to find
And this whole thing is headed for a terrible wreck
And like good tragedy that’s what we expect

At night I make plans for a city laid down
Like the hips of a girl on the spring covered ground
Spirals and capitals like the twist of a script
Streets named for heroes that could almost exist
The fruit trees of Eden and the gardens that seem
To float like the smoke from a lithium dream
Cedar trees growing in the cool of the squares
The young women walking in the portals of prayer
And the future glass buildings and the past an address
And the weddings in pollen and the wine bottomless
And all wrongs forgotten and all vengeance made right
The suffering verbs put to sleep in the night
The future descending like a bright chandelier
And the world just beginning and the guests in good cheer
In Royal City I fell into a trance
Oh it’s hell to believe there ain’t a hell of a chance

I woke beneath a clear blue sky
The sun a shout the breeze a sigh
My old hometown and the streets I knew
Were wrapped up in a royal blue
I heard my friends laughing out across the fields
The girls in the gloaming and the birds on the wheel
The raw smell of horses and the warm smell of hay
Cicadas electric in the heat of the day
A run of Three Sisters and the flush of the land
And the lake was a diamond in the valley’s hand
The straight of the highway and the scattered out hearts
They were coming together they pulling apart
And angels everywhere were in my midst
In the ones that I loved in the ones that I kissed
I wondered what it was I’d been looking for up above
Heaven is so big there ain’t no need to look up
So I stopped looking for royal cities in the air
Only a full house gonna have a prayer

 

1,276 comments Add your comment

Steve from OH

May 29th, 2009
5:32 pm

Keith Law’s latest blog update has Atlanta taking Alex White at no. 7, with Tyler Matzek going eigth…don’t like that at all.

Anders

May 29th, 2009
5:32 pm

If it was up to me I send Jurrgens to the All Star game and Santana home to rest. Hope Charlie Manuel abides.

Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)

May 29th, 2009
5:33 pm

Not first. Please God no, not first.

And thanks for the blog, DOB.

TnBrian

May 29th, 2009
5:34 pm

Don’t you hate it when YOU think you’ve made good points in one of your post, click sumbit, and see DOB say “NEW BLOG”? Ya’ll oughta go back and read it. It was a darn good post and DOB should even go back and read it if he gets a chance. Or not…

Anders

May 29th, 2009
5:35 pm

Jurrgens will go. After all every team has to have a least one guy – right? :)

McFann :Ô:

May 29th, 2009
5:36 pm

Thanks for the new Blog, Chief! There are some pretty ugly numbers in there…dang, knew this road trip has been bad, but didn’t realize it was that bad.

Monty

Hadn’t we already established that fact? I mean, seeing as how McCann is the best of them…

Necromancer

May 29th, 2009
5:37 pm

TnBrian

May 29th, 2009
5:37 pm

Oh yeah, THANKS CHIEF for the new blog! I guess that’s the hip thing to do here. :lol:

Necromancer

May 29th, 2009
5:38 pm

Okay, time to perform an exorcism on those bats!

cabravesfan

May 29th, 2009
5:38 pm

Anders-

Dude, I know you aren’t a Braves fan but DOB wrote it about a dozen times…There are 2 “J’s” in Jurrjens ;)
And you have heard of this guy, McCann? yeah, he’s pretty good too

TnBrian

May 29th, 2009
5:38 pm

Anders, if you’re going to mispell the kids name, get out of here…go on, GET!

Coach (Moon Pie, anyone?)

May 29th, 2009
5:39 pm

Enter your comments here

Necromancer

May 29th, 2009
5:39 pm

uh oh..Chief is copyright infringement.

McFann has the copyright on that.. ;P

Ambrosine

May 29th, 2009
5:39 pm

Dis gots’ta gots’ta be da damn wo’st offensive outfield uh de liveball era. Good God almighty.

Why be Jeff Francoeur still hangin’ around? Does he know sump’n about Wren: embarrassin’ pictures o’ audio o’ video o’ sump’n? What duz it take?

TnBrian

May 29th, 2009
5:40 pm

While I misspell “mispell”.

Anders

May 29th, 2009
5:42 pm

Cabravesfan- I try on the spelling of his name. Sorry about that but it just continues to escape me.

As for McCann, yeah I guess you didn’t realize I was just funning with you guys.

Unknown

May 29th, 2009
5:42 pm

cabravesfan

May 29th, 2009
5:44 pm

Anders-

There is a reason why most of us refer to him as JJ :)

And, yeah I know…just giving you a hard time

Anders

May 29th, 2009
5:46 pm

I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s. I will spell Jurrjens with two J’s.

OK, hopefully that cures it. Worked in grammar school.

Anders

May 29th, 2009
5:49 pm

Cabravesfan- I thought the JJ was for Jair Jurrjens. His first initials and all.

PWHjort

May 29th, 2009
5:50 pm

Ha, Unknown. That’s pretty funny.

McFann :Ô:

May 29th, 2009
5:50 pm

Necromancer uh oh..Chief is copyright infringement.

It’s true, TnBrian…do I hafta start putting a “©” after “Chief”?

:P

Bobby

May 29th, 2009
5:55 pm

First of all, let me say I disagreed with the Tex trade then and still do now. I was also disappointed we did not give Andruw his comeback attempt. That being said, as disappointed as we all are in Schafer and Frenchy – I am pretty sure we would be equally disappointed in the following numbers…

NAME: BA OBP SLG OPS
Elvis Andrus: .257 .295 .392 .687
Saltalamacchia: .236 .276 .389 .665
Andruw Jones: .233 .361 .367 .728

These are the ‘09 numbers away from the Texas “launching pad”.

We should all do ourselves a favor and check home/road and left/right splits before posting. With that in mind, I do not understand the Braves’ reluctance to platoon Frenchy (respectable .781 OPS vs LHP this year). I would also like to see Schafer and Frenchy (if he must remain in the lineup) given some at bats further up in the lineup where decent hitters are behind them in the order just to see if they could see better pitches. It cannot hurt.

cabravesfan

May 29th, 2009
5:58 pm

Anders-

It is-I meant because his name can be tricky to spell…

CCjacket

May 29th, 2009
5:58 pm

Does anyone have a realistic idea of what it might take to get Derosa? He could play 3B for all the games Chipper misses, SS for all the games Esco misses, and 2B the rest of the time. His bat is better than anything we have in the lineup right now except for the 2 guys mentioned and BMac.

And, DOB – or someone -
why exactly can KJ not go back to the OF, where he played until he
was moved? His defense was better there than at 2B, and what little
pop he has is better than what we’re getting from Diaz/GA.

Shane

May 29th, 2009
6:01 pm

Hey Anders

Have the Mutts choked yet?

N8

May 29th, 2009
6:03 pm

“There is no point in having Strasburg on the draft radar, Washington already said they are taking him.” Buffalo NY Braves Fan

I’ll assume you missed my point. My point was that we had Tex to start last year, brought Glavine back and still stunk enough to finish in a position to pick in the top 10 of the draft.

If we’re not going to put a roster together that can actually win. Why not do it “right” and let the kids play and have a couple of years picking at or near the top of the draft (like the late 80’s), be in a position to take one of the best 2 or 3 guys in the draft.

I’m well aware that Strasburg won’t be there for us when we pick. That’s a shame, because as soon as Washington takes him, we are going to have one helluva tough pitcher in our division to face for the forseeable future.

I’m not saying lose intentionally. But to lose with the thought process of letting the kids get valuble innings and AB’s under their belts might not be a horrible thing. It seemed to work out for us 20 years ago.

CB

May 29th, 2009
6:03 pm

We could also look at Freddy Sanchez as a possible trade candidate – would free us to move KJ back to outfield and give us our leadoff hitter.

joe from central coast ca

May 29th, 2009
6:05 pm

Hey who put that picture up of Dane Cooks Dad…LOL..just kiddn DOB..Unfortunately the Bravos are in a unenviable situation in that they can’t make a trade because its too early and no team will do it now until the market heats up and with the way we haven’t been hitting this team will be 15 out by the break which means no need to make a trade. We’re stuck and they suck..nuff said

Coach (Moon Pie, anyone?)

May 29th, 2009
6:10 pm

Ya’ll want some good news?

This team can be fixed. But first the Braves are gonna have to unload some players and contracts. Jeff Francoeur, Garret Anderson, Greg Norton, Jo-Jo Reyes and Buddy Carlyle, for obvious reasons.

Javier Vasquez should be traded. Again, for even more obvious reasons ( his value will never be higher and the Braves save 11.5 million). Glavine can show up, pitch the rest of this season and please retire. Chipper could have been traded until our brilliant GM hung his new 42 million dollar millstone on the franchise. Hoss isn’t worth the return on 13 million per season or for that matter, tying the franchise to an over the hill veteran who cannot stay healthy enough to make a sizable difference anymore.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not opposed to the presence of Chipper on the team. I disagree with the financial investment for the return. A series of one year contracts would have been much more sensible. Leaving an open ended out for Chipper and the Braves.

Cox must be forced into retirement. Period. The man has become an embarrassment.

Our Braves have to get young, mean and hungry. We need outfielders who can fly to the ball, run the bases and play defense. Schafer is a start but he’s a rookie.

2010 and beyond offers hope. We just have to suck it up and endure this disaster unfolding before us for another 115 games.

By the way, the Padres have this jewel of a potential lead off hitter in their system. His name is Luis Durango.

N8

May 29th, 2009
6:11 pm

Picking Heyward was the beginning of the “new beginning” as far as stockpiling higher draft picks to help down the road.

We got away with not having high draft picks in the 90’s, because A) our previous high draft picks were the cornerstone of our franchise, B) free agents WANTED to come to Atlanta, C) Ted Turner allowed JS to spend on one of the best free agent signings EVER (Maddux), trade for other high end players (McGriff), and KEEP our own guys that were worth every penny that JS paid them.

Times have changed on all three of those fronts. Time to start using the draft to build this team up. Sell off some pieces that will net us MORE young players to build around, and stop signing free agents that cost us those picks.

Of course, similarily to last year, if we sign big free agents, and STILL manage to pick in the top half of the draft, we’ll only have to surrender our 2nd round pick, rather than the first.

In the end, it’s simply about making sound decisions and spending wisely.

I’m actually glad that Hanson hadn’t come up before he will, after having the “Super 2″ status clarified. Very smart of Wren to get one more year out of him for the Braves at the end of his arbitration scheduled years.

However, now that that “window” has passed, there isn’t much excuse to leave him down much longer. Especially if Glavine falters. That being said, I can’t imagine a scenario where Glavine fails, or never makes it back (in the event of a setback before he returns), that Hanson won’t be up for good.

If that does happen, then we’ll all have something to scratch our heads about.

Buffalo NY Braves Fan

May 29th, 2009
6:11 pm

N8,

Good point, I did miss your point on the Strasburg comment.

I would be FOR letting the kids play, but only if the kids were in AAA. Guys like Morton, Hanson, Jo-Jo, Medlen, Blanco.

I would not however rush someone like Heyward, Freeman, Cody Johnson, or even Gorkys because they would be completely overmatched. Putting those guys in this line-up would be asking to get no-hit just about every night.

Jim

May 29th, 2009
6:14 pm

Re Jim Edmunds – if you look at his HRs last year on a hitting chart, most were in Wrigley Field where wind blows out many days. I’ve seen many a game there. In Atlanta, I’m afraid that most of those HRs would be warning track fly balls – and that was last year. He’s not any stronger this year. He’s not a solution; not at all.

As I noted a few hours ago, a good team can only carry, at best, one non-performing hitter. With Ice Cold, Norton and JF, Braves have at least three N-PHs. [note: new stat id.] Upon reflection, choice for Braves is either JF or Blanco in CF if Ice Cold is sent down and Norton DFA’d. JF will do better in short run with big team. B. Jones can replace Ice Cold on roster and play RF, except maybe against tough LHPs. Diaz should play LF against anyone he can hit – GA can play out there against the rest of the side-arming RHPs. Whichever is not in lineup would be #1 PH. KJ should play every day and bat 5th or later in lineup. His BA stats at each position in lineup are compelling – +.300 in each slot. Prado should spell CK at 1st, play when CJ is hurt or resting and very occasionally, against a LHP that KJ will have trouble with, play 2B. Prado should also learn to play LF so that he, Diaz (in RF) and JF can start against a dominant LHP. All these moves give Braves a stronger lineup. No one is an automatic out. JF should bat 8th and learn how to take a pitch or be threatened not with Gwinnett, but with Rome or Danville where the bus rides are so much fun. So, my lineup would be:

Esco (SS) R
CK (1B) R
Chipper (3B) L-R
McCann (C) L
KJ (2B) L
Diaz (LF) L
B. Jones (RF) L
JF (CF) R
Pitcher

Lots of LH batters in a row unless CK bats 2d or Prado plays 1B. If Prado plays first, move Diaz to 2d in lineup.

Trade target – a RH hitter with power to bat 4th or 5th. Yeah, easy to find, but to paraphrase one of the dancers in Gypsy, “ya gotta have a [target].”

Trade bait: GA will be trade bait at end of July in Braves are out of race, and perhaps even if they are still in race. GA is a “professional DH hitter.” While I think Ross adds real value to team, he might be offered to a team desparate for a catcher, because of injury, or whatever, in return for a strong RH bat. Agree that Myrtle Beach threesome is untouchable. Heyward – .295/.935, 1HR every 15ABs, born ‘89; Freeman – .289/.799 – b. ‘89; Johnson – .269/.971, 1 HR every 10 ABs, 67 Ks in 179 PAs, b. ‘88. Also, consider Rodriguez at Rome – .275/.872, 9 HRs in 160 ABs, b. .87. Gorkys – b. ‘88; and Canizares, .337/.930, 7HRs/178 ABs, 24 Ks and 18 BBs – now there’s a professional hitter but born in ‘79.

So, above list has three 1Bs – two are expendable: Canizares and Rodriguez, unless anyone has doubts about Freeman. Johnson has too much power at young age to give up on unless a real baseball person would conclude that his K problem will make Ice Cold look like a contact hitter. Gorkys looks like Ice Cold – Lite: .324/.770 – no power. He’s expendable – unless you believe that Ice Cold will never make it. And, we’ve got a bunch of other MinorL pitchers. Conclusion: Braves have enough to make a deal for power hitting OF – even if you have to include JF in package.

Frank – you’ve done great so far with pitching; now time to turn your attention to hitting.

Hanson v. Glavine: Braves are in a difficult position. They made a deal with Glavine. He’s done his part and in equity deserves one more chance to see if he can perform at ML level. But, since we are sending Ice Cold down, DFA’g Norton and only bringing up one player (B. Jones), Hanson can start in place of Medlen early next week. If Hanson is great or even good, then no roster move has to be made until Glavine is ready to try it in the bigs. Who knows who will be on DL then? Or, if Glavine is good, then Medlen or someone else (Jo-Jo) goes back down to start for the G-Braves. Indeed, I’d rather see Medlen be used in spot/long relief than Jo-Jo. Jo-Jo should continue to be used as a starter in the hope that he retains some trade value.

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Elvis Presley

May 29th, 2009
6:16 pm

No matter how bad the Braves suck each night, I wake up each morning still interested in them. Why didn’t I pick something else to mess with, like crack cocaine?

Nova Scotia Steve

May 29th, 2009
6:19 pm

Remember that classic Springsteen song…”I’m going down down down down…I’m going down down down down”…yeah kinds getting the same feeling for these 2009 Braves…And I say this not because we are in the midst of a 4 game losing streak…Its because we can’t freakin hit well enough to win most ballgames and go on a extended winning streak…

“You let out one of you boring sighs lately when when I look into your eyes, I’m going down down down down down,”

N8

May 29th, 2009
6:20 pm

Buffalo NY Braves Fan Agreed on the younger guys. Though I’m not sure that Gorkys wouldn’t be better served to do alright up here right now. Not a big power guy and seems to use his speed to get on base. Those guys usually have a little more success early on. Think Furcal, or Giles, who BOTH had better approaches at the plate, when they first came up and were thrust into the leadoff spot.

It was only when they both started “smelling” HR totals, that they started hacking a bit more.

Besides, it’s not like we couldn’t use Gorkys’ defense in the outfield.

As far as asking to get “not hit” everynight? Not like it’s too much different right now, is it? But I agree with your point.

I would be ALL FOR letting Jo-Jo, Morton, Hanson and Medlen (even if a couple of them were in the bullpen), pitching innings and gaining experience, if the future was the objective.

But it’s too late for that now, unless Wren wants to hold a fire sale, and that is NEVER going to happen. Also, with Chipper’s extension, that would be pretty rude to him, to say “thanks for staying, but now were gonna give up”.

But think about it. If we’re WAY out of it at the deadline, Imagine the “pieces” to the puzzle that Wren could get from other teams by moving Lowe, Vazquez, Gonzo and even Chipper if he were so inclined.

Like I said. I don’t for a minute think it’s gonna happen. But guys like Lowe and Vazquez could command quite a bit of players in return for a team that is one reliable starter away from WS contention (which certainly isn’t us).

Jim

May 29th, 2009
6:22 pm

DOB:

Great batting stats on JF. So, if I am pitching to him, I want to throw the first pitch off the backstop, because he can’t hit his weight, or Willy Medoza’s little sister’s on 2d pitch. If he were a rookie, that’s one thing, but he’s not. He’s arb-eligible, and a classic ADHD hitter – he’ll swing at anything that moves.

dylan w/o the dead

May 29th, 2009
6:24 pm

It could be worse we could be watching the 87 braves.

monty

May 29th, 2009
6:29 pm

I for one am hoping Frenchy swings at every 1st pitch tonight and every night, so much for trying to “work the count”.

bravesfaninmetsland

May 29th, 2009
6:30 pm

OK boys and girls, I had to share this. never mind that whenever Chipper was out of the lineup he was mediocre. never mind that the first month of the season without A Rod he was down right aweful. Did anyone else read the qotes from Mark texeria saying that Joe Girardi is the best manager he ever played for. Didn’t he work for Mike Scioscia? Didn’t he work for Bobby Cox ( I know most of you on here hate him but if anyone on the blog thinks Girardi is a better manager please leave now) What the hell is wrong with Tex??? take the company line all you want but don’t dare two amazing managers with hall of fame careers to a guy who tried to fight hisowner in Florida

Elvis Presley

May 29th, 2009
6:35 pm

bravesfaninmetsland, if you open up both Boras’s and Tex’s soul, you’d find the same stale bag of cheetos. They. will. say. anything.

Means. Nothing.

richbrave

May 29th, 2009
6:42 pm

DYLAN W/O THE DEAD:

Worse yet, we might BE watching the ‘87 braves, or at least their equivalent.

Elvis Presley

May 29th, 2009
6:42 pm

I used a coffee filter for toilet paper a minute ago. Never do that. Not just one, anyway.

richbrave

May 29th, 2009
6:43 pm

Dude, this is better than crack ’cause it doesn’r have the same result each time it’s used.

David O'Brien

May 29th, 2009
6:45 pm

Escobar’s in the lineup (for now)

1. KJ
2. Escobar
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Anderson
6. Kotchman
7. Francoeur
8. Schafer
9. Jurrjens

Headed down to clubhouse. Talk w/cha in a bit.

David O'Brien

May 29th, 2009
6:47 pm

oh, and they’re playing some old (pre-Badmotorfinger) Soundgarden during D’backs BP. Nice.

Anders

May 29th, 2009
6:51 pm

Hey Anders,Have the Mutts choked yet? (Shane)

No but they are in 1st place so the stage is set. Stay tuned.

Ambrosine

May 29th, 2009
6:51 pm

The offense will wake up tonight with garland on the mound

Didn’t we say dat too about Aaron Cook when de Braves wuz playin’ de Colo’ado Rockies?

Hezekiah Johnson, Esq.

May 29th, 2009
6:52 pm

You guys please take it easy on G Anderson; he’s a professional hitter and knows more than us. He gets so disgusted with the criticism and he gets hits when he needs to. He really does not want to play here because he doesn’t get the love and I don’t blame him.

We need to get another big bat in the outfield to go with GA. We are in THE HUNT for another division championship and it does not matter how many young prospects we have to get rid of, it will definitely be worth it. We can worry about the future in the future. I do not regret the Tex deal; John Shuerholtz brought a star to the Braves and we couldn’t come up with $170 million to keep him. Who cares about the players we lost. Can’t cry over spilled milk.

J D Drew was another Star player again with ties to the Atlanta area and it would be okay with me if we gave up 5 Adam Wainwrights to just have him play 3 months “injured”. These players are good enough to play for the Yankees and Red Sox. Jason Marquis, please!

Anders

May 29th, 2009
6:52 pm

Guess you guys heard that Clint Hurdle got canned?

McFann :Ô:

May 29th, 2009
6:53 pm

Thanks for the lineup Chief

ppaddy123

May 29th, 2009
6:54 pm

Monty, I don’t mind Frenchy swinging at the 1st pitch. I just want him to TRY and drive the ball WHERE it’s pitched and not try to pull EVERYTHING!

Anders

May 29th, 2009
6:57 pm

Like I said. I don’t for a minute think it’s gonna happen. But guys like Lowe and Vazquez could command quite a bit of players in return for a team that is one reliable starter away from WS contention (which certainly isn’t us). (N8)

You mean all the same teams that passed on Lowe when all they had to do was pay him $15 mil per year would now give away good players to acquire him 3 months later and still pay him? Also, other than the Yankees I see no one who will take Vasquez and the money he’s owed through next year for a .500 pitcher. If anyone did they’re not giving up a lot for him imo.

Coach (Moon Pie, anyone?)

May 29th, 2009
6:58 pm

Clint Hurdle leads the Rockies to the 2007 World series and loses. less than two years later, he is gone.

Bobby Cox leads the Braves into the 1999 World Series and gets spanked 0-4. An entire decade later he still has his job. I guess our standards are somewhat DIFFERENT in Atlanta.

buzzmeat

May 29th, 2009
6:58 pm

and what song of Soundgarden?

Efrim

May 29th, 2009
6:59 pm

“Keith Law’s latest blog update has Atlanta taking Alex White at no. 7, with Tyler Matzek going eigth…don’t like that at all.”

Yeah, that sucks. What happened to Wheeler? Or Miller? I guess the Braves don’t want to pay Matzek’s price tag, which is very unfortunate.

Anders

May 29th, 2009
7:03 pm

Myers out for the season? Wow. Wouldn’t it be bizarre if Peavy agrees to a trade to that ban box?

PWHjort

May 29th, 2009
7:03 pm

No, we didn’t say that about Aaron Cook. Jason Marquis on the other hand…

Efrim

May 29th, 2009
7:03 pm

Steve from OH, I’m comment #4 on the Law comments section. He usually answers me.

Efrim

May 29th, 2009
7:05 pm

Scratch that. #5 Comment

Anders

May 29th, 2009
7:05 pm

The Mets network is interviewing the Mets “Vision Instructor”. My God, how did things get this far?

Efrim

May 29th, 2009
7:07 pm

Anders, they are cutting off Kevin Burkhardt. Haha.

McSore

May 29th, 2009
7:09 pm

Oh my aching back! I hope I don’t get run into tonight.

And my eyes hurt.

Anders

May 29th, 2009
7:09 pm

All kidding aside, Frenchy might want to try this training. After some serious training it eliminates the use of just your dominant eye and allows you to see the ball deeper into the strike zone. I’ve seen this type of stuff before with hockey goalies. Beltran swears by it. Apparently he started using it some time after October 2006!

Capt Caveman

May 29th, 2009
7:10 pm

Coach — you are a complete ***clown, constantly making derogatory comments about Cox. Clint Hurdle made it to the playoffs on the heels of an incredible season ending streak by the Rockies. Not b/c he was a good manager. Grow up you buffoon.

You must have no life whatsoever to think that your childish attempts to post half-truths and completely slanted and biased information on here will make you somehow important.

And I will bet that Luis Durango must have just been the subject of an article on another website today. I’m surprised you didn’t cut-and-paste and take credit.

N8

May 29th, 2009
7:10 pm

Anders, are you telling me that if the Mets (down the stretch), thought that Lowe was the missing link to them getting to the WS, or if Bret Myers is out, and the Phillies think he’d help them make a better run at repeating, that they wouldn’t jump at the chance to get him mid season?

As for Vazquez, the fact that he’s only owed that 11.5 million dollars for next year (along with the pro-rated portion of this year’s salary), is what makes him VERY attractive for a team making a run. Especially a team that is a “.500 pitcher” at the back end of their rotation away from making a run.

I will concede that D-Lowe’s salary over the next 3 years is what will keep teams away from him. But his durability, and competitiveness is unquestioned.

All the teams that passed on Lowe, more than likely weren’t one pitcher away in December (or didn’t think that they were), high expectations in a city and one HUGE injury is all it will take for teams to start calling about Javier’s and possibly Lowe’s availability if the Braves are out of it.

I’m not saying “shop” them now. After all, we’re still “in it”, right? But Wren would be silly to not answer the phone if calls come, and even initiate some of those calls if the Braves don’t fix their offense and fall off the map. Especially if Hudson looks like he’ll rebound.

Hudson could then be the veteran “Ace” of the staff in 2010. If Hudson has setbacks, or is to be dangled as trade bait this winter, then the Braves might as well hang on to Lowe. He could very easily be the “Charlie Liebrandt” type leader for the young rotation guys looking forward.

Brooklyn Braves Brawler

May 29th, 2009
7:12 pm

Hey DOB,

Where are we on the trade front? Any truth to the rumors about Jim Edmonds and Jay Payton? Are we in the lead for Derosa?

Bobby's breath

May 29th, 2009
7:12 pm

Cox deserves all the derogatory remarks he gets until the day he steps down which won’t be fast enough.

McSore

May 29th, 2009
7:13 pm

At the end of the season when I get my eyeballs fixed they will call it McCannical Surgery.

N8

May 29th, 2009
7:14 pm

“…or if Bret Myers is out, and the Phillies think he’d help them make a better run at repeating, that they wouldn’t jump at the chance to get him mid season?”

It looks like I hit post too late. Myers out for the year. BOOM. OUTTA HERE!

That being said. All the more reason for us to keep everybody and make our own run. If the Mets and Phillies keep having injury issues (like we did last year), the East is there for the taking. Only question is, do we have (or will we have) what it takes to actually take it?

Now lets see which GM is more serious about fixing their teams weaknesses the fastest, between us and the Phillies. It will let us know which team is serious about making a run.

Elvis Presley

May 29th, 2009
7:16 pm

According to “Atlanta Baseball Talk,” Cox is gearing up to sign another year if it’s offered. I think I’ll swing a crowbar at my skull and see if I get lucky.

61 year Braves Fan

May 29th, 2009
7:17 pm

Why are Francouer and Shafer in the lineup again? Haven’t they struck out enough lately. Can’t even
put the ball in play. Both probably woiuld struggle at Double A level and that is where they belong.
Play Prado and Diaz every day even if it means moving K. Johnson to the outfield.

N8

May 29th, 2009
7:17 pm

“Escobar’s in the lineup (for now)”

Yeah. And Lucy is gonna actually let Charlie Brown kick the football this time too.

I know you’re just reporting what’s been posted DOB so don’t get your panties in a bunch. I appreciate you posting what your told and all the bloggers drool on an hourly basis over the lineup. But I’m sure you understand why many of us won’t be excited about it until he’s actually “in the lineup” at game time.

If he is. That is definitely good news. This team needs him…. badly.

Anders

May 29th, 2009
7:18 pm

Marlins 11-1 in first 12. 11-25 since. That’s hard to believe. I remember being concerned about them

bravesgirlnc

May 29th, 2009
7:20 pm

I wonder when Bobby will figure out that is NOT a good line-up. Ever?

Ambrosine

May 29th, 2009
7:22 pm

According to “Atlanta Baseball Talk,” Cox is gearing up to sign another year if it’s offered.

Direct link and quote?

StingerSplash

May 29th, 2009
7:23 pm

So Erin Andrews wants to go on Dancing With the Stars.
Finally … something good on television.

Elvis Presley

May 29th, 2009
7:24 pm

Direct-link my balls. Google it.

Capt Caveman

May 29th, 2009
7:25 pm

YO DOB

Please BAN that blogger Jamie F. As much as I give and take with other people on here I don’t wont that kinda crap. That stuff is all over the Foxsports website. It’s just stupid.

Thanks DOB

Ambrosine

May 29th, 2009
7:27 pm

Direct-link my balls. Google it.

I dun did and ah’ found da damn site but nodin’ explicitly menshunin’ Cox o’ any ‘estension.

TnBrian

May 29th, 2009
7:28 pm

McFann, you’re cool, just a joke. Don’t want to get my teeth punched out or anything.

Coach, I actually agree with you on Vazquez…but hopefully you’re not talking about trading him right now. When Hanson/Glavine and possibly Hudson here at some point in ‘09, Vazquez should clearly be the odd man out because of that $11.5M written all over him. Wren oughta easily be able to find a contending team this summer that really needs that one pitch they believe will get them to the playoffs, and in return, we get a bat.

MFin04

May 29th, 2009
7:28 pm

Enter your comments here

Elvis Presley

May 29th, 2009
7:28 pm

Okay, my bad, Ambrosine. You’ll have to listen to the Atlanta Baseball Talk podcast. The most recent one. They have a long talk about it, with lots of direct quotes from Cox, saying stuff like “how do you walk away when blah blah blah.” Scout’s honor.

Hi I'm Anders

May 29th, 2009
7:29 pm

Hi I’m Anders and I come on a Braves blog to talk about everything but the Braves. Did you know the Mets have a new eye specialist?

Did you know the Marlins were good at the beginning, now they suck?

Did you know Brett Myers is hurt?

Did you know I’m a moron!?!

RHR

May 29th, 2009
7:33 pm

I miss Andruw. :( I mean, we could’ve had him for the league minimum. Why the Braves, especially when they decided to go with a rookie starter in CF, didn’t think he was worth that I’ll never understand.

Wow is Anders trying to break some kind of record here? Every other post is his.

McFann :Ô:

May 29th, 2009
7:35 pm

TnBrian

Oh, I know it was a joke. I was just funnin’ back at ya!

Don’t want to get my teeth punched out or anything.

Don’t worry–teeth creep me out even more when they’re bloody and/or not in the mouth…

:mrgreen:

Barbaro

May 29th, 2009
7:37 pm

I wonder if im gonna get called up soon

RHR

May 29th, 2009
7:37 pm

Obviously I meant WASN’T worth that in my 7:33.

McFann :Ô:

May 29th, 2009
7:37 pm

Wait–Brett Myers might be done for the season??

They…it…he…then what will be the point in playing the Fillies? This hurts, folks…

McSore

May 29th, 2009
7:39 pm

I think I’ll start wearing a mouthpiece. I don’t want Victorino to knock any of my teeth out next time he’s in town.

Ambrosine

May 29th, 2009
7:42 pm

Nova Scotia Steve

May 29th, 2009
7:42 pm

McSore….you must be short…cause Victorino would need a step ladder to hit most in the mouth! hahaa

cvbraves

May 29th, 2009
7:43 pm

Andruw just hit a 2-run shot to left to give Texas 5-3 lead in 9th…followed by a homer to right by Cruz, 6-3.

Il Cattivo

May 29th, 2009
7:43 pm

That 7:28 PM post by Mfin04 probably was his most sensible post ever.

Frank from KS

May 29th, 2009
7:45 pm

Cameron….from the last blog

To my knowledge…Erin Andrews isn’t married.

Sounds as if I may get lucky and be able to see Glavine pitch aganst the Cubs if he pitches the game that will be televised on WGN.

As Bill Engvall says…..”that’d be AWESOME”

Coach (Moon Pie, anyone?)

May 29th, 2009
7:47 pm

TnBrian , I think our Braves will be sellers come July. Javier Vasquez would probably bring the best haul of prospects in a mid season trade.

Jeff Francouer

May 29th, 2009
7:48 pm

Im going 4 for 4 tonight fellas and you will all love me again and i will make 6mil next year

MFin04

May 29th, 2009
7:48 pm

What’s the purpose of trading away all our good pitchers that we finally acquired? Doesn’t make sense?

Tim

May 29th, 2009
7:49 pm

Coach…please start your own blog……somewhere else. Your opinions are tiresome and dreary.

MFin04

May 29th, 2009
7:50 pm

I do have a feeling you are going to hit a homer tonight Jeff.

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