I like Joe Simpson, but it seems to me he has become the biggest Jeff Francouer apologist anywhere…
Eh, I think everyone knows that Frenchy is awful, and there’s no reason to bash him like some here have on TV. Really not any need. I don’t see anything wrong with Joe rooting for him because 1) we do want him to do well and 2) everyone knows he’s not, so it’s not like Joe’s decieving anyone.
Go ahead and change these runs to Kelly Johnson! Sheesh.
I hope no one honestly thinks this team can compete for anything other than third place with the defensive liability at second base. MOVE HIS ASS TO THE OUTFIELD PRONTO!
Do you all think Lowe/Vasquez/Jurrjens can keep this up every night? Shutting down our opponents? Nope. It isn’t going to happen. They are all good pitchers, but none of them are legit #1 starters. Therefore this offense needs to bail them out a few games a year.
GA is hitting .272 — with a big, fat bagel in the HR column and five doubles in 90 at-bats for a robust .622. At 11 RBIs in the first 90 at-bats, he’d drive in about 66 runs for the season. Plus, he’s playing sterling defense. Getting to everything from the West End to Decatur. Nobody’s running on that hose of his. He’s worth every penny.
I am already weary of his tenure in a Braves uniform. If he was a horse, his nickname would be Glue Factory.
Forget the Indians’ 10-run comeback against the Rays recently; the Braves and their offense coming back from down at least three would be a way bigger comeback story.
Eric from MO–You’re right, and the other guy was wrong; the Braves and Francoeur DID avoid arbitration.
“dumbfound”–You can try to insult my comments all you want, but you’re demonstrating reason in the process.
“stinger”–Blanco would help this offense significantly, for the reasons I mentioned.
Francoeur is a work in progress? What’s his upside???? His upside is that he can hit a lot of homers and drive in a lot of runs. He needs an identity and needs that identity to be that of a run-producer, not a run-scorer. Right now he looks ambivalent about what kind of hitter he’s going to be, and that indecisiveness is hurting him and a huge factor behind his tension at the plate. He’s going to have to relax and is going to have to be prepared in order to relax. His statistics aren’t all his fault. His not being used at cleanup, as I said, is hurting him and the team.
I wish he’d rest his chin over his left shoulder the way Matt Williams did. I think that very gesture would make a huge difference for him. I really do.
The one thing I can’t stand looking at anymore is GA on the field – he isn’t a baseball player anymore and looks more like a pale immitation of someone who used to love playing baseball.
Anyone wondering how Wren could make such an idiotic comment about the outfielders that were available in free agency this offseason??? Basically saying that he didn’t feel that they could be trusted to play the outfield for a full season??
Have the Phillies been complaining about Ibanez’ defense all season? The Nats complaining about Dunn’s defense? Yet, Wren wants us to believe that he thought Garret Anderson could be trusted in the outfield?
That .622 in the previous post should have an OPS after it. Not the oops that Frank Wren is probably saying to himself after signing him.
And once again, a team with an anemic offense is stringing together hits when they need them against the Braves. I’m a big Lowe fan, but this is something that the Braves’ hitters cannot do, unless they’re named McCann or Escobar or sometimes Larry Jones Jr. This inning alone, a .214 hitter, a .171 hitter and a .237 hitter have hits against Lowe. I don’t see the dregs of the Braves lineup coming up with such hits off Haren this evening.
Does anyone else question Escobar’s desire/heart? He missed a lot of games last year with a shoulder injury. He as missed a lot of games this year with a muscle pull, (from jumping in the on-deck circle) and with a “hip flexor.” You can be sure that Cal Ripken would have played through all those “injuries.” I have followed basball intently for a long time and I can never remember any of these great SS missing time with these type “injuries” (See Pee Wee Reese, Luis Aparico, Alvin Dark, Mark Belanger, Dave Concepion, Ozzie Smith).
If Escobar takes this many games off at 24/25, what will he be like in his late 20’s and 30’s?
On another point when can the Braves get a 2nd baseman that can catch a ground ball? Flex Milan (1968 – 1971) would have caught that ball.
Oh, and Rodney Derrick: Comparing athletes/entertainers’ salaries to our own is pointless. Really, what does it mean? So Jennifer Aniston makes $10 million for working a couple months on a movie set, more than 5 firefighters or soldiers might make combined in their working lives. No, of course it’s not right. It’s absurd, really. But it’s the way it is, and has been for a very long time.
We, or at least many of us, pay large sums to be entertained by a relatively small group of people who can perform those tasks. We pay $10 to see a movie, $30-50 (or more) to see a concert, $12-15 for a CD, etc, because we want to be entertained. Same reason that most of the 30,000 or so people in this ballpark tonight have paid between $5 and $50 to see this ballgame, and some paid a lot more.
Can you expect more from a guy because he makes $3.5 million or whatever? Sure. Because he’s eating up part of the team’s overall payroll. But when he’s out there playing, I don’t think that he — no, I’m pretty certain of it — that he’s not playing or thinking or trying any more or less because he’s making this or that amount. So in that sense, the salary is a moot point in this discussion.
I hate to be one of those pessimistic Braves fans…but the way this team is running on offense right now….. I think this game may be over. I think I will go to bed and hope to be surprised in the morning by a Braves comeback.
DOB, I am sure you know we all appreciate your efforts, and I understand you were simply reporting the pain in Francoeur’s competitive heart from his difficulties. However, I was trying to explain why the attitudes among the fans are starting to harden. We know you do not soak us with the apologies of Joe and his fellow announcers. Yet, as several on the blog have pointed out, all you have to do is look at Derek Lowe’s expression, and it is clear some of the players are exceedingly frustrated too.
“Do you all think Lowe/Vasquez/Jurrjens can keep this up every night? Shutting down our opponents? Nope. It isn’t going to happen. They are all good pitchers, but none of them are legit #1 starters. Therefore this offense needs to bail them out a few games a year.”
Um, I think thats the case for just about every pitcher out there. Number ones or not, every pitcher needs to be bailed out every now and then. No secret there.
Kelly error that costs us the ball game.Remember the dropped infield fly lasy year that cost us the game against the phillies and we went intio the tank..Kelly seems like a nice guy, but he is a defensive liability at second base.. same oh same oh.. as soon as i buy the baseball cable package, we drop four straight. so much fun..
Dave…How can the ownership feel right about charging ticket prices that high for the quality of talent they are putting on the field.
I used to play ball in the yard as a kid and pretend to be the guys in the lineup. If I was a kid today I would find another team.
1,631 comments Add your comment
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
I am up for anyone to play outfield at this point. what about chief knockahoma
brent a.
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
it must be the white shirts again
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
No Fcking Fundamentals, Nuff Said!!!
Schafer's Facial Expression
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
At least we gots defense.
D. Lowe ’bout to get steamy into some ADD Meltdown Madness.
Steve from OH
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
I like Joe Simpson, but it seems to me he has become the biggest Jeff Francouer apologist anywhere…
Eh, I think everyone knows that Frenchy is awful, and there’s no reason to bash him like some here have on TV. Really not any need. I don’t see anything wrong with Joe rooting for him because 1) we do want him to do well and 2) everyone knows he’s not, so it’s not like Joe’s decieving anyone.
brent a.
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
that look on Lowe’s face said, “remind me to call my agent.”
Boo
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
Ballgame.
BigMacAttack
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
Jeff is 11 points away from his 08 season average. And he’s on pace to hit worse than last year …
keylargo
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
Schafer plays the ball badly off the wall.
hawpeless
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
Trade LOWE. He’s done, stick a fork in him.
Vinings Jim
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
Not a tough lip read from DLowe there.
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
OMG Now Our Defense Sucks!!!
Loaf and K-Fer, COME ON!!!!
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
lets trade him for a hot dog vendor.
Doc Holiday
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
Hare 69 pitches in 4 innings………..way to go bravos
Cooper S
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
Louisville-
What Westminster are you talking about?
NRBQ
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
Condolences, Dave.
I can’t read this childish crap another moment.
groundfog
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
we pay for every friggin mistake lol
Jeff321
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
Go ahead and change these runs to Kelly Johnson! Sheesh.
I hope no one honestly thinks this team can compete for anything other than third place with the defensive liability at second base. MOVE HIS ASS TO THE OUTFIELD PRONTO!
Garret's Facial Expression
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
Dey livin’ it up at de Hotel California…….
What a lovely place…
I hate Bobby’s face….
Unknown
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
This team is doomed.
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
ball game. we cant score any runs so thats it.
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
Lowe drops a major F-bomb after that. Can’t blame him.
yes
May 28th, 2009
10:46 pm
There’s your “plus” second baseman Braves fans! You’ve gotten the complete Kelly Johnson experience this game
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
I told you guys about 6 weeks ago that K-Fer’s Defense is Overrrated
Lowe's brain
May 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
was that extra year on the contract worth playing for this stinkin’ team?
Boo
May 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
I’ve been on Francoeur, but even I’m sick of mentioning him. He sucks to high heaven, is apparently never going away and what else can be said?
freshd
May 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
Garrett Anderson makes FRED SANFORD look fast.
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
GAWD this team Sucks!
Doc Holiday
May 28th, 2009
10:47 pm
Fielding error by KJ…………thats a new one……….hhhhhmmmm………..maybe not………
David O'Brien
May 28th, 2009
10:48 pm
What a costly error by Kelly. Ouch. That’s just brutal, would-be double play.
hubris
May 28th, 2009
10:48 pm
so kj’s defense strikes again. sigh… at least 2 runs that shouldn’t have scored…
Chucktown Brave
May 28th, 2009
10:48 pm
This is truly embarrassing. We can’t beat subpar teams at all.
BigMacAttack
May 28th, 2009
10:48 pm
… is it Monday yet?
Stimpy
May 28th, 2009
10:48 pm
I want a pool at my stadium. waaa
hawpeless
May 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
Let’s lure maddox out of retirement. He’s the missing puzzle piece.
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
Game Over!
Man Lowe Even is shrugging his shoulders in defeat…
The Truth
May 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
Quick question for the blog:
Do you all think Lowe/Vasquez/Jurrjens can keep this up every night? Shutting down our opponents? Nope. It isn’t going to happen. They are all good pitchers, but none of them are legit #1 starters. Therefore this offense needs to bail them out a few games a year.
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
How come Byrnes is the only guy allowed greenies in baseball?
That guy would make nervous ….nervous.
Chucktown Brave
May 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
Dbacks have scored 4 runs…game over. We can’t put more than 2 or 3 on the board in a single game.
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
looks like a long losing streak a coming…
you cant win when you cant score.
groundfog
May 28th, 2009
10:49 pm
How many runs has our defense given away the last few games? unreal
Pat
May 28th, 2009
10:50 pm
Mark my words, this losing stretch will be the beginning of the end for this team this year
Doc Holiday
May 28th, 2009
10:50 pm
Were freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
freeeeeee falliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg
were freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Free faaaaaaaaaaaalling yeah!!!!!!!!!!!
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
Chucktown Brave
Dan Haren Isn’t a Sub-par pitcher…The division winning squads could beat this guy but Not the 2009 AAA Braves
curtis jones
May 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
Would someone give Garret Anderson a can of Give-a-Damn?
Chucktown Brave
May 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
I agree. It has been the June swoon the last few years, but it looks like we are getting started here in late May.
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
yep. pat is right! this is the beginning of the end. we may lose 10 to 12 games in a row here. we have nothing to stop the bleeding.
StingerSplash
May 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
GA is hitting .272 — with a big, fat bagel in the HR column and five doubles in 90 at-bats for a robust .622. At 11 RBIs in the first 90 at-bats, he’d drive in about 66 runs for the season. Plus, he’s playing sterling defense. Getting to everything from the West End to Decatur. Nobody’s running on that hose of his. He’s worth every penny.
I am already weary of his tenure in a Braves uniform. If he was a horse, his nickname would be Glue Factory.
Unknown
May 28th, 2009
10:52 pm
Get Lowe out.
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:52 pm
why did we get anderson??? he cant field and is slow as christmas.
and we said we didnt want dunn because of his fielding???????
Doc Holiday
May 28th, 2009
10:52 pm
My favorite player at its best………… good thing is that with all his power this 3 unearned runs mean nothing………….goooooooooooo KJ
hawpeless
May 28th, 2009
10:52 pm
get lowe out of there. get him on a plane to Boston for JD Drew.
Boo
May 28th, 2009
10:52 pm
Forget the Indians’ 10-run comeback against the Rays recently; the Braves and their offense coming back from down at least three would be a way bigger comeback story.
PWHjort
May 28th, 2009
10:52 pm
I was going to say Hanley Ramirez and Barry Larkin.
Ronald Millsaps
May 28th, 2009
10:52 pm
Eric from MO–You’re right, and the other guy was wrong; the Braves and Francoeur DID avoid arbitration.
“dumbfound”–You can try to insult my comments all you want, but you’re demonstrating reason in the process.
“stinger”–Blanco would help this offense significantly, for the reasons I mentioned.
Francoeur is a work in progress? What’s his upside???? His upside is that he can hit a lot of homers and drive in a lot of runs. He needs an identity and needs that identity to be that of a run-producer, not a run-scorer. Right now he looks ambivalent about what kind of hitter he’s going to be, and that indecisiveness is hurting him and a huge factor behind his tension at the plate. He’s going to have to relax and is going to have to be prepared in order to relax. His statistics aren’t all his fault. His not being used at cleanup, as I said, is hurting him and the team.
I wish he’d rest his chin over his left shoulder the way Matt Williams did. I think that very gesture would make a huge difference for him. I really do.
Mixxo
May 28th, 2009
10:53 pm
Go get Derek Bobby. He doesn’t deserve this kinda stuff, he’s a pro.
Kinda sad to see how this debacle is affecting him.
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:53 pm
D-Lo will be out after 5, This will be painful to watch once the Blow-pen comes in
Elvis Presley
May 28th, 2009
10:53 pm
I was wondering if…. you’re loathesome tonight.
Mike Hancho
May 28th, 2009
10:53 pm
The one thing I can’t stand looking at anymore is GA on the field – he isn’t a baseball player anymore and looks more like a pale immitation of someone who used to love playing baseball.
Ronald Millsaps
May 28th, 2009
10:53 pm
not* demonstrating reason in the process (correction)
BravesDave
May 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
Anyone wondering how Wren could make such an idiotic comment about the outfielders that were available in free agency this offseason??? Basically saying that he didn’t feel that they could be trusted to play the outfield for a full season??
Have the Phillies been complaining about Ibanez’ defense all season? The Nats complaining about Dunn’s defense? Yet, Wren wants us to believe that he thought Garret Anderson could be trusted in the outfield?
StingerSplash
May 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
That .622 in the previous post should have an OPS after it. Not the oops that Frank Wren is probably saying to himself after signing him.
And once again, a team with an anemic offense is stringing together hits when they need them against the Braves. I’m a big Lowe fan, but this is something that the Braves’ hitters cannot do, unless they’re named McCann or Escobar or sometimes Larry Jones Jr. This inning alone, a .214 hitter, a .171 hitter and a .237 hitter have hits against Lowe. I don’t see the dregs of the Braves lineup coming up with such hits off Haren this evening.
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
millsaps needs to call terry pendleton and take his job
Unknown
May 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
The Braves need to be sellers before the deadline so we can get rid of these guys and rebuild.
groundfog
May 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
Rest of the team’s incompetence finally rubbing off on our star pitcher
Tomahawkin
May 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
Another game that proves my fact that the Braves only come Correct when they play the good teams of the league…
Another game of unimspired baseball by the AAA braves!
curtis jones
May 28th, 2009
10:54 pm
If Kelly Johnson is a major league 2nd baseman, Clay Aiken is WBC heavyweight champ.
PWHjort
May 28th, 2009
10:55 pm
Good thing our 60 million dollar pitching staff can’t shut down the NL West offensive juggernauts.
Ronald Millsaps
May 28th, 2009
10:55 pm
AGGHH!! That “Francoeur is a work in progress” was a statement, not a question. Omit the question mark for a period.
BigMacAttack
May 28th, 2009
10:55 pm
this Diamondback Juggernaut is unstoppable!!!
Boo
May 28th, 2009
10:55 pm
I wish Carlyle was still around. This is the perfect no-hoper game to bring him in for the laughs.
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:55 pm
Going to go check out the ORL vs CLE game … 4 qtr 9min 82 to 86….. I am outta.
Mike R
May 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
Does anyone else question Escobar’s desire/heart? He missed a lot of games last year with a shoulder injury. He as missed a lot of games this year with a muscle pull, (from jumping in the on-deck circle) and with a “hip flexor.” You can be sure that Cal Ripken would have played through all those “injuries.” I have followed basball intently for a long time and I can never remember any of these great SS missing time with these type “injuries” (See Pee Wee Reese, Luis Aparico, Alvin Dark, Mark Belanger, Dave Concepion, Ozzie Smith).
If Escobar takes this many games off at 24/25, what will he be like in his late 20’s and 30’s?
On another point when can the Braves get a 2nd baseman that can catch a ground ball? Flex Milan (1968 – 1971) would have caught that ball.
freshd
May 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
STICK A FORK IN THEM.
c jonze
May 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
These guys are scrappy. I wish our guys had more tenacity.
common sense
May 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
bottom line is we suck. someone needs to start up the bag heads at the stadium again.
David O'Brien
May 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
Oh, and Rodney Derrick: Comparing athletes/entertainers’ salaries to our own is pointless. Really, what does it mean? So Jennifer Aniston makes $10 million for working a couple months on a movie set, more than 5 firefighters or soldiers might make combined in their working lives. No, of course it’s not right. It’s absurd, really. But it’s the way it is, and has been for a very long time.
We, or at least many of us, pay large sums to be entertained by a relatively small group of people who can perform those tasks. We pay $10 to see a movie, $30-50 (or more) to see a concert, $12-15 for a CD, etc, because we want to be entertained. Same reason that most of the 30,000 or so people in this ballpark tonight have paid between $5 and $50 to see this ballgame, and some paid a lot more.
Can you expect more from a guy because he makes $3.5 million or whatever? Sure. Because he’s eating up part of the team’s overall payroll. But when he’s out there playing, I don’t think that he — no, I’m pretty certain of it — that he’s not playing or thinking or trying any more or less because he’s making this or that amount. So in that sense, the salary is a moot point in this discussion.
AndyC
May 28th, 2009
10:56 pm
I hate to be one of those pessimistic Braves fans…but the way this team is running on offense right now….. I think this game may be over. I think I will go to bed and hope to be surprised in the morning by a Braves comeback.
Rodney Derrick
May 28th, 2009
10:57 pm
DOB, I am sure you know we all appreciate your efforts, and I understand you were simply reporting the pain in Francoeur’s competitive heart from his difficulties. However, I was trying to explain why the attitudes among the fans are starting to harden. We know you do not soak us with the apologies of Joe and his fellow announcers. Yet, as several on the blog have pointed out, all you have to do is look at Derek Lowe’s expression, and it is clear some of the players are exceedingly frustrated too.
hawpeless
May 28th, 2009
10:57 pm
the braves are the new cure all for basement dwelling ball clubs
Jake W.
May 28th, 2009
10:57 pm
“Do you all think Lowe/Vasquez/Jurrjens can keep this up every night? Shutting down our opponents? Nope. It isn’t going to happen. They are all good pitchers, but none of them are legit #1 starters. Therefore this offense needs to bail them out a few games a year.”
Um, I think thats the case for just about every pitcher out there. Number ones or not, every pitcher needs to be bailed out every now and then. No secret there.
coach joe
May 28th, 2009
10:57 pm
Kelly error that costs us the ball game.Remember the dropped infield fly lasy year that cost us the game against the phillies and we went intio the tank..Kelly seems like a nice guy, but he is a defensive liability at second base.. same oh same oh.. as soon as i buy the baseball cable package, we drop four straight. so much fun..
Unknown
May 28th, 2009
10:58 pm
here goes a 1-2-3 inning.
kotchman
May 28th, 2009
10:58 pm
we will go 1 and 6 for this road trip. 5 behind 1st place behind the marlins in 4th.
Jeff321
May 28th, 2009
10:58 pm
Well, that was a quick out! Will Lowe bback out there in about 2 minutes?
Chucktown Brave
May 28th, 2009
10:58 pm
At least Schafer made contact… 2 pitch flyout
RHR
May 28th, 2009
10:58 pm
So basically, Zambrano got suspended for 1 game. Guess we’ll see him Thursday night then.
Coach (Moon Pie, anyone?)
May 28th, 2009
10:58 pm
Lets go trade for Luis Durango.
Chucktown Brave
May 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
D Lowe 1 pitch flyout
K'fer
May 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
Hey! I got wood on it!
Unknown
May 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
2 outs on 3 pitches, pathetic.
curtis jones
May 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
Since Garret Anderson just stands around and watches the game, shouldn’t he have to buy a ticket?
kotchman
May 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
they need infante and yunel. baaaaaaaaaaaadddd
Wes
May 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
“its embarassing because we can’t beat a sup par team”
we ARE a sub par team!
Supes
May 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
Do you think the Cards will still take KJ and JoJo for Ludwick?
Wren should make that call:)
This game looks lost to me. Braves look completely overmatched with the exception of Chipper and B-Mac.
The Lower half of the order is like a black hole that doesn’t end…starts with Jeff, ends with the pitcher’s spot.
This team will be lucky to scratch 2-3 runs per night the way things are going.
Too bad, D-Lowe has been making pitches. Even the Double by Reynolds was a good slider low and away.
common sense
May 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
Dave…How can the ownership feel right about charging ticket prices that high for the quality of talent they are putting on the field.
I used to play ball in the yard as a kid and pretend to be the guys in the lineup. If I was a kid today I would find another team.
Chucktown Brave
May 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
Kelly with a K to end the inning
Coach (Moon Pie, anyone?)
May 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
The O-Dog would look so sweet at 2B right now. O wait, Frank Wren doesn’t take my advice.
hawpeless
May 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
come on kelly good job
kotchman
May 28th, 2009
11:00 pm
lol.